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On October 20 2012 02:33 furo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 01:21 IPA wrote:
Not sure why players just "trust" organizations like this. If there is a contract in place, take legal action. If there was never a contract....you deserve all the shady shit happening.
There are dozens of cautionary tales littering SC2 (and eSports') history. New teams that promise much are usually too good to be true. Makes me appreciate the stalwarts of the scene that much more to be honest -- the solid, honest teams that make it work. your post sounds pretty naive but i'll just asume you dont know any better these players CANT get a different team, so they fall for the false promises of a foreign team they dont know. they are not getting payed teamless, so they join in the hopes that they get at least SOME money
My post was not naive in the slightest. A player signing on to an unproven team and expecting money or paid travel -- THAT'S naive.
I don't think you understood what I was saying but I'll assume english isn't your first language.
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On October 20 2012 03:16 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:33 furo wrote:On October 20 2012 01:21 IPA wrote:
Not sure why players just "trust" organizations like this. If there is a contract in place, take legal action. If there was never a contract....you deserve all the shady shit happening.
There are dozens of cautionary tales littering SC2 (and eSports') history. New teams that promise much are usually too good to be true. Makes me appreciate the stalwarts of the scene that much more to be honest -- the solid, honest teams that make it work. your post sounds pretty naive but i'll just asume you dont know any better these players CANT get a different team, so they fall for the false promises of a foreign team they dont know. they are not getting payed teamless, so they join in the hopes that they get at least SOME money My post was not naive in the slightest. A player signing on to an unproven team and expecting money or paid travel -- THAT'S naive. I don't think you understood what I was saying but I'll assume english isn't your first language.
Actually he did understand what you meant. He recognizes that there are honest teams out there, but they're usually more elite. Thus, players like VINES, TOP, MorroW, etc. can't get in them without asking for an extremely low salary. However, suddenly an unknown team comes about and promises them a ridiculous salary and they just take it without researching. That's what he meant.
But I do agree that you're not naive in the slightest.
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On October 20 2012 03:10 Yello wrote:How about waiting for a goddamn official statement by the team or at least by the players before telling the sponsors again? Y ou don't know anything about what is actually happening and you heard some people on TL say that apeX is shady and you immediately want to message sponsors? Man, just wait until things are cleared up and if it comes out that the team is at fault you can message the sponsors. But don't be so fast with your judgment... and don't immediately start this crap again please....
I know the korean players will not be in DH Bucharest, and they are changing their twitter account.
it's enough evidence for me to conclude that apex is a scammer team. simply, remove players with only a day before DH, it shows incompetence at best cases. The fact that it has never explained what happened to the players demanding payment, is a way to accept the money they stole.
and finally the pathetic excuse saying "I have no internet" removes all the good assumptions.
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On October 19 2012 10:05 smOOthMayDie wrote:
I feel as if it might have been a communication problem.
According to their facebook:
"Sorry for the Lack of Updates, but its really hard to get Wi-Fi over here at EGL8, Manchester. :S
All apeX Players and Teams could win their Matches so far, we´ll update you further as soon as we´re going to have Wi-Fi again!"
But this alone doesn't say much, it's not hard to go to a local internet cafe, or somewhere with accessible wifi. :/
... or get 3G contract or roaming for a week to stay in touch with fans... cant be too expensive
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So anyone interesting still coming to Bucharest DH?
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DH Bucharest just got ALOT less exciting :<
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The origins of Apex way odd to me from the beginning. Formerly of OGS+Morrow, the announcement seemed more like a high profile clan than a professional team if that makes much sense.
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Just when I thought I would get to see Top play again, this happens. Top macro was incredible and I was hoping he improved on the other areas for this tournament. 
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On October 20 2012 01:45 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 01:21 IPA wrote:
Not sure why players just "trust" organizations like this. If there is a contract in place, take legal action. If there was never a contract....you deserve all the shady shit happening.
There are dozens of cautionary tales littering SC2 (and eSports') history. New teams that promise much are usually too good to be true. Makes me appreciate the stalwarts of the scene that much more to be honest -- the solid, honest teams that make it work. Yeah, there really seems to be a premise of over-promise and under-deliver. apeX is an extremely wealthy team, their structure is much like that of Quantic. Incredibly wealthy owner starting a team on venture capital. Our team motto is pretty much the opposite of apeX and similar teams. Under promise and over deliver. That leaves you with players that are surprised/happy when you do something for them rather than you fulfilling their expectations. It leads to a much happier an closer team, although you may not immediately attract allstar 'hired guns'.
Drone is quite right on this. This has always been our philosophy and approach with Clarity Gaming and one of the main factors in why players have been consistently approaching us. There's a lot of sentiment in this thread that new teams aren't trustworthy and in this case I'd argue strongly that teams like apeX are the exception to the rule. There's simply no excuse for a team to pick up players, promise exorbitant salaries and consistent travel and then re-neg immediately after. You either have the capability, or you don't. If you don't, why on Earth would you promise otherwise?
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with them and Stephano out I have pretty much 0 interest in this tournament.
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We were warned, and I believed the warnings. Only time will if the players were too naive or not.
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Not like it would surprise me with those CS guys talking shit about apeX.
Still really sad, looked forward to see InCa play :D
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Really wanted to see the former ogs members play. wonder what the reason is
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On October 19 2012 09:25 zergtossy wrote:
So.. the team really is a sham?
First question I was gonna ask too. I wondered what happened...
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Is BlackFoger heading this team too?
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On October 19 2012 10:05 smOOthMayDie wrote:
I feel as if it might have been a communication problem.
According to their facebook:
"Sorry for the Lack of Updates, but its really hard to get Wi-Fi over here at EGL8, Manchester. :S
All apeX Players and Teams could win their Matches so far, we´ll update you further as soon as we´re going to have Wi-Fi again!"
But this alone doesn't say much, it's not hard to go to a local internet cafe, or somewhere with accessible wifi. :/
so apex is managed by homeless people? how can you run an esports team and not have access to the internet? What is the point in doing this? it cant be a scam because where is the money???? it just boggles my mind.
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On October 19 2012 09:13 Monochromatic wrote:Aww, I wanted to see inca win Now who will make DTs?
geoff robinson
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Well that's pretty disappointing but I guess from what people were saying in the announcement thread for the team it's not too surprising or unprecedented for this team
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