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On October 18 2012 03:47 Ettick wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised, their team has gone downhill ever since MMA's skill declined to below code S skill levels. It's kind of what happened to oGs after MC left, they had a lot of pretty good players but they didn't have a top-tier player anymore and their team lost a lot of depth, started to do poorly in teamleagues, and then sort of went into disarray before disbanding.
They weren't as good as they were back in their haydays. But they did have Puzzle. They reached another GSTL finals. And they are still undefeated in MCSL.
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Remember when people wanted more drama in sc2?
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On October 18 2012 03:47 Ettick wrote:
Wait, what the fuck? CoCa, Puzzle, and Min are going to LoL now? That's pretty shocking, they seemed like they were pretty good at SC2...
This is something I would take with a chunk of rock salt the size of a bowling ball. From the quality of interaction Jessica shows in the things she says, it's entirely possible this is not something they told her they were doing. It may be an assumption on the basis that they went to PC Bangs to play LoL.
It could be true, but that would also require me to question that Puzzle is in fact not as troubled by injury as was claimed when he pulled out of playing tournaments.
Who knows? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I'll believe that particular piece of information when I see something directly from Coca, Puzzle, or Min.
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On October 18 2012 03:46 saocyn wrote:
honestly let's take a deep look in between the lines.
the source of almost everything here lies with jessica. so regardless of facts, the overall re-occuring pattern here is something wrong with jessica. almost anything that went bad, jessica had a hand in it. and what does she do? she blames everyone else.
her sponsorship manager doesn't add up AT ALL. why would he intentionally want to ruin, literally, his own money? and his own job? him cutting off ties purposefully would then make him lose his job....
there's a reason why there are re-occuring players wanting to leave. it's rarely the atmosphere with the players, but actually the coaches themselves and as we see, jessica is the root cause of it. even before this, there was drama WITH HER and HER ALONE. anyone recall the incident where she tried to sue a person over twitter for a different opinion? if anyone cannot see how she is the source of trouble and drama, you need to open your eyes because this incident was an example of how her actions will inevitably be the same for everything else.
I agree that Jessica must take responsibility. But at the same time, Manager J story makes sense in that he purposely screws over the players' sponsorship to turn against Jessica/management.
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On October 18 2012 03:46 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:45 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If you hate Jessica so much, why not just leave the fucking thread? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you suspect their emotions are sincere is not the same as having a crush on someone. Get over yourself. I said she was a poor leader and that does not equal hating someone.... If you think she is a strong leader based on that interview I am interested on hearing why.
I like her to be honest. She's not discrete and doesn't brush things aside, if there is a problem she will fucking manhandle it until it's resolved. Whether that resolution is good or bad is another matter. If you're on her bad side it sucks, but if she is fighting for you I would rest comfortably knowing that she will be getting results on my behalf.
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On October 18 2012 03:46 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:45 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If you hate Jessica so much, why not just leave the fucking thread? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you suspect their emotions are sincere is not the same as having a crush on someone. Get over yourself. I said she was a poor leader and that does not equal hating someone.... If you think she is a strong leader based on that interview I am interested on hearing why.
You're the only person in this entire series of quotes here to ever say anything about what kind of leader she is.
I'm not going to give my opinions because they would obviously be lost on you; your bias is quite clear and your disrespect of other forum members "someone must have a crush rofl..." diminishes my wishes to have a conversation of any kind with you.
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Did anyone find out if it was revealed which eSF player called Sleep rubbish just for staying with Slayers? And someone should be a helpful cookie and translate IM.Hirai/Jessica's rebuttals. Extra cookies if you can find/translated what the progamers' comments. Level 1 Korean language skill isn't too helpful, should've leveled it up a bit when I got the chance :[.
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On October 18 2012 03:49 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:44 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:42 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Its a competitive sport... if they win they deserve jobs, you really must have it bad for her if you think what she is saying is 100% accurate. I don't have any personal interest in Jessica, it'd be nice if you weren't 14 years old and could rely on actual arguments to make a point.
Oh goes to calling someone a 14 year old.... I haven't seen this one on the internet before!
You are so original...
I said this interview paints her as a poor leader and gave examples, no one has given me examples of how this interview shows her as an effective leader... maybe you can help out with that?
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On October 18 2012 03:44 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:42 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Its a competitive sport... if they win they deserve jobs, you really must have it bad for her if you think what she is saying is 100% accurate.
That's just a big no.
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That's an awful lot of gossip. Couldn't that woman keep things professional? there's no need to make so much drama for every minor issue that arises.
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Well.. Slayers will always live on in my heart as SlayersKT T1.
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On October 18 2012 03:51 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:49 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:44 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:42 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:
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You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault
uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Its a competitive sport... if they win they deserve jobs, you really must have it bad for her if you think what she is saying is 100% accurate. I don't have any personal interest in Jessica, it'd be nice if you weren't 14 years old and could rely on actual arguments to make a point. Oh goes to calling someone a 14 year old.... I haven't seen this one on the internet before! You are so original... I said this interview paints her as a poor leader and gave examples, no one has given me examples of how this interview shows her as an effective leader... maybe you can help out with that?
I'm sorry I stooped to your level, I should have ignored the obvious baiting from your snide comments.
If you want examples of good leadership, maybe don't look for it in a press release about why the team failed? Instead maybe look at their successes. Just a hint.
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The saddest news is that CoCa, Puzzle and Min switched to LoL.
Nothing against LoL, but I really wanted to see more CoCa (in particular) and Puzzle in SC2 D:
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On October 18 2012 03:53 Azriel wrote:
That's an awful lot of gossip. Couldn't that woman keep things professional? there's no need to make so much drama for every minor issue that arises.
Most of those are far from minor issues. The sad thing is that such drama occurs at all, not that it gets talked about.
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On October 18 2012 03:51 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:46 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:45 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If you hate Jessica so much, why not just leave the fucking thread? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you suspect their emotions are sincere is not the same as having a crush on someone. Get over yourself. I said she was a poor leader and that does not equal hating someone.... If you think she is a strong leader based on that interview I am interested on hearing why. You're the only person in this entire series of quotes here to ever say anything about what kind of leader she is. I'm not going to give my opinions because they would obviously be lost on you; your bias is quite clear and your disrespect of other forum members "someone must have a crush rofl..." diminishes my wishes to have a conversation of any kind with you.
Biased? This is the only interview I have read on the subject and its only HER SIDE of the story and even that one sided interview shows very poor leadership qualities. I would be really interested in what in that interview makes you think she is a great leader?
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Yay... now MMA will be free. I knew that MMA demotion drama was bs, and its great justice prevailed!!
I hope Cella finds work quick, he was a real personality before the Slayers muzzle was put on him.
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On October 18 2012 03:47 Ettick wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised, their team has gone downhill ever since MMA's skill declined to below code S skill levels. It's kind of what happened to oGs after MC left, they had a lot of pretty good players but they didn't have a top-tier player anymore and their team lost a lot of depth, started to do poorly in teamleagues, and then sort of went into disarray before disbanding.
Wait, what the fuck? CoCa, Puzzle, and Min are going to LoL now? That's pretty shocking, they seemed like they were pretty good at SC2...
Well, I wish their players the best of luck finding new teams and that CoCa, Min, and Puzzle do well in LoL.
Same happened to tsl
First puma left then trickster and fruit dealer left... Then alive, clide and jyp left....
However tsl managed to stay alive somehow with polt and symbol as their new superstars
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I anticipate theonemav catching a nice ban the face in this thread. If not for ignorant comments already made, perhaps more he will post in the future.
Anyway, in repsponse to:
On October 18 2012 03:33 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault We don't know nearly enough about this to make a decision either way. But I think it would be foolish to believe Jessica is innocent whle everyone around her is out to get her. So far, Jessica is saying that everyone is awful, players are rebelling and she doesn't understand why. At the very least it's indicative of massive communication problems and at worst, Jessica has her own part in turning everyone against her. This is especially interesting considering Jessica's harsh personality on view during her multiple public outbursts. I'd wait for a second and third opinion as this whole post looks very one-sided.
Understanding how Asian culture works, it is very probable that the majority of people dissuade others into believing a singularity is a problem rather than themselves. As a simple example of this, just think of Naniwa when he went to his first pro gamer house. He went and only practiced. He wanted to get as good as he possibly could. This pushed him further away from the very important socially dependent culture Korea has. Thus, when certain times were assigned to go out, Naniwa wasn't even told about them. He literally would be at the house all alone because of no communication, yet to everyone else, it seems as if it was Naniwa's fault for being bad mannered. His intentions were spot on, but culturally he just got shafted hard. (Note: I'm not saying this is "good" or "bad", just that it's how the majority of socially acceptable normalities are dictated in Asian areas.)
Because of this, I could very easily see Jessica being completely truthful yet still being unaccounted. The only basis they seem to have against her is that she simply would not cooperate with others outside of slayers because she thought it would be detrimental. Saying others are a detriment to your team could in turn cause issues.
With that said, it could be very possible that not everything is "exactly" as it happened as there is obviously underlying bias written in here that will be weeded out. But in contrast to what some may be saying, I think I'll side with Jessica for the majority of the points. For her to be able to professionally withhold this much of the information that came out in this post instead of slandering players, as the community makes her out to do, I can only have respect for her holding it in until now. Will there be some mucky things that may be released as rebuttals against her that have some weight? I assume so, but in the end I think she seems to have done the best she possibly could have with what she was given and yet it all still fell apart. Quite sad for me as I always held SlayerS up to being the ideal team. A top competitor, a legend creator, yet, a family.
SKT1 Fighting >.>
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On October 18 2012 03:51 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:46 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:45 Lunareste wrote:On October 18 2012 03:40 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:38 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:37 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:30 deezy wrote:On October 18 2012 03:28 theonemav wrote:On October 18 2012 03:27 zefreak wrote:On October 18 2012 03:25 theonemav wrote:
Wow this interview with Jessica really shows how poor of a leader she is.
Slayers choose not to join the federation, then they get mad when players from the federation don't want to practice with them?
Then bashing almost all of your current and former players, because she recruited the wrong manager and kept a distance from key team members.
Take some accountability for your actions..... You are doing some real mental gymnastics to somehow make this Jessica's fault uh I never said this was her fault... just pointing out this interview really points out her flaws as a leader. I think you are twisting this too much. If you read the article, it points out that some of these things were out of her reach. You can't account for other peoples' actions especially when the ball isn't in your court. If anything, she deserves more respect for protecting the team and their players. If you don't believe in something, why are you going to join them, especially when they are so quick to turn against you without hearing both sides? Twisting what? this is one side of the story (hers) which you can clearly see a lack of leadership on her part. She is basically saying everyone was out to get her and she had no idea why this was happening, which is poor leadership at its core. Also ripping all your players right when they are going to be looking for jobs is really bad form... If what she says is accurate then the players don't deserve jobs Yes I'm sure everyone on the team was terrible and she was an angel and the best leader of all time!!!!! happy now? someone must have a crush rofl... If you hate Jessica so much, why not just leave the fucking thread? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you suspect their emotions are sincere is not the same as having a crush on someone. Get over yourself. I said she was a poor leader and that does not equal hating someone.... If you think she is a strong leader based on that interview I am interested on hearing why. You're the only person in this entire series of quotes here to ever say anything about what kind of leader she is. I'm not going to give my opinions because they would obviously be lost on you; your bias is quite clear and your disrespect of other forum members "someone must have a crush rofl..." diminishes my wishes to have a conversation of any kind with you.
I, sir, am interested in your opinions. Because, from a strictly business management viewpoint, I have to note there appear to be holes in her management style. Leadership is not about dictating on the basis of contract legalities or because you are the manager. (I know, many people in actual management positions fail to grasp this as well.) Based on Jessica's own statements, she seems to lack a comprehensive and unemotionally burdened conflict resolution process - perhaps because of her deep emotional involvement and conviction of looking out for a player's best interests.
But I am interested in your opinion on Jessica as a leadership figure.
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