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On October 22 2012 00:13 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:11 FakeDeath wrote:On October 22 2012 00:09 farnham wrote:On October 22 2012 00:02 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 21 2012 23:52 gamerfan wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. It is a weak statement. When Jessica came out with her statement everyone was asking for proof to back everything she said up, but when Crank puts out his statement we're suppose to just take his word for it? That's quite the double standard you have there. So far everything she has say has been proven to be true, are we suppose to believe she just so happen to lie about MMA and Crank? The only thing Jessica has said proven true is in regards to eSF, plus the parts of the story that both she and Crank said in their separate statements. Her evidence on Crank--the phone call--he's supposedly fine with revealing. My take is there was an emotional conversation, and she interpreted it as yelling at Boxer, since she's hypersensitive about that sort of thing and about defending her own. if crank really said 형이 해준게 뭔데 he is banned from the korean scene forever i can say that much but looks like he will be fine since the foreign scene will feed him If Crank did say that(형이 해준게 뭔데 ). Yup hes done. Korean community will be grabbing their pitchforks. Which means what, ' F u Boxer' ?
what did you do for me anyways
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On October 22 2012 00:13 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:11 FakeDeath wrote:On October 22 2012 00:09 farnham wrote:On October 22 2012 00:02 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 21 2012 23:52 gamerfan wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. It is a weak statement. When Jessica came out with her statement everyone was asking for proof to back everything she said up, but when Crank puts out his statement we're suppose to just take his word for it? That's quite the double standard you have there. So far everything she has say has been proven to be true, are we suppose to believe she just so happen to lie about MMA and Crank? The only thing Jessica has said proven true is in regards to eSF, plus the parts of the story that both she and Crank said in their separate statements. Her evidence on Crank--the phone call--he's supposedly fine with revealing. My take is there was an emotional conversation, and she interpreted it as yelling at Boxer, since she's hypersensitive about that sort of thing and about defending her own. if crank really said 형이 해준게 뭔데 he is banned from the korean scene forever i can say that much but looks like he will be fine since the foreign scene will feed him If Crank did say that(형이 해준게 뭔데 ). Yup hes done. Korean community will be grabbing their pitchforks. Which means what, ' F u Boxer' ?
yea guy above me got it better
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On October 22 2012 00:13 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:11 FakeDeath wrote:On October 22 2012 00:09 farnham wrote:On October 22 2012 00:02 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 21 2012 23:52 gamerfan wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. It is a weak statement. When Jessica came out with her statement everyone was asking for proof to back everything she said up, but when Crank puts out his statement we're suppose to just take his word for it? That's quite the double standard you have there. So far everything she has say has been proven to be true, are we suppose to believe she just so happen to lie about MMA and Crank? The only thing Jessica has said proven true is in regards to eSF, plus the parts of the story that both she and Crank said in their separate statements. Her evidence on Crank--the phone call--he's supposedly fine with revealing. My take is there was an emotional conversation, and she interpreted it as yelling at Boxer, since she's hypersensitive about that sort of thing and about defending her own. if crank really said 형이 해준게 뭔데 he is banned from the korean scene forever i can say that much but looks like he will be fine since the foreign scene will feed him If Crank did say that(형이 해준게 뭔데 ). Yup hes done. Korean community will be grabbing their pitchforks. Which means what, ' F u Boxer' ?
Think it's the line "What have you done for me?"
Not a smart line for ANYBODY in eSports to say to the Emperor
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lol no matter how emotional someone is, you should never ever say that to Boxer :D hf trying to settle back into the korean scene ever if it's true
also google translater ftw, it told me that it means: You are no more Brother to me.
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On October 22 2012 00:19 AsnSensation wrote:
lol no matter how emotional someone is, you should never ever say that to Boxer :D hf trying to settle back into the korean scene ever if it's true
also google translater ftw, it told me that it means: You are no more Brother to me.
Don't even try using google translator for Korean -> English. Either learn the language, or use a dictionary and guess the meaning of the sentence (which is hit and miss).
May have better luck with the Genietalk app. by the way.
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On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences
He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights.
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The truly sad thing about all of this is, no matter who is 'right' or 'wrong', it is obvious that eSF is in no way better than any other corporative organization looking out to get a monopoly on the scene and not shying away from using any dirty tricks to pressure others into doing what they want. Also it's pretty obvious that many of the current generation's progamers are not nearly as dedicated as their BW counterparts are / were.
Not to say that there's anything wrong with players wanting better conditions, better contracts, and more money - and perhaps drama and fighting like this is for everyone's long-term benefit (although I kind of doubt that); but it's pretty clear that many of these guys aren't too fussed with their own or their team's image and prestige and are much more interested in making a quick buck.
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On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights.
Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer?
Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either.
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On October 21 2012 23:14 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:05 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:03 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 23:02 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:56 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:55 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well you do realize she founded your favorite team Boxer did, not Jessica. Such an ignorant statement. Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21] she is the co founder who funded the team and managed the team from the get go Nope, she owned the team but Boxer was the founder, you said that Jessica founded the team which is not true. Boxer was the founder of the team. is it so hard to grasp the concept of two people founding something? Again, Jessica was not the founder of Slayers: Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well you do realize she founded your favorite team Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:01 Medrea wrote:
Jessica owned the team. Boxer founded it. Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21]
you need to watch boxer's wing.
Without jessica, boxer may have never transitioned into SC2
without jessica, boxer wouldn't have the big sponsor that he got and funded the team
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On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer? Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either.
What if he said Boxer came to the house but was only playing Hello Kitty Adventure all day and ignoring the players? That would make it worse, no? And according to the recording, he didn't say that Boxer did nothing for him.
I'm not saying that Crank is 100% right but people are taking sides like they need to - when in fact, both sides basically had misunderstandings. I think that Crank could have handled it in a more mature way and I think Jessica is overly emotional, thus things blew up.
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On October 22 2012 00:25 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:14 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 23:05 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:03 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 23:02 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:56 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:55 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well you do realize she founded your favorite team Boxer did, not Jessica. Such an ignorant statement. Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21] she is the co founder who funded the team and managed the team from the get go Nope, she owned the team but Boxer was the founder, you said that Jessica founded the team which is not true. Boxer was the founder of the team. is it so hard to grasp the concept of two people founding something? Again, Jessica was not the founder of Slayers: On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well you do realize she founded your favorite team On October 21 2012 23:01 Medrea wrote:
Jessica owned the team. Boxer founded it. On October 21 2012 22:55 Integra wrote:
Boxer did, not Jessica. On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21] you need to watch boxer's wing. Without jessica, boxer may have never transitioned into SC2without jessica, boxer wouldn't have the big sponsor that he got and funded the team
Wait, what @ the statement.
You gotta post up the link to BoxeR's wing.
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On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights.
Man i am getting tired of these cheap shots at jessica. It's understandable that people don't like jessica (heck, even i didn't like her, what with the suing netizens nonsense) but you really have to see past her as a person and take a look at the recent unfolding events.
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On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer?
Would like to now that as well. Kinda bad accusations right there.
Don't even try using google translator for Korean -> English. Either learn the language, or use a dictionary and guess the meaning of the sentence (which is hit and miss).
Same for Korean->German, it actually gets to a point of "unreadableness".
edit: nvm, got answered while writing
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On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights.
in otherwords he blames jessica, boxer and cella without giving specifics why. so its just accusation with no specifics and proof. quite a poor statement fr someone who said 형해뭔
also publishing it in english first when he is korean shows that axiom is trying to make this PR move on the foreign scene since the korean scene will not budge until he shows us hard evidences
the last part is hard to believe. jessica published on playxp that she will forgive everyone involved. its axioms statement that made her to react.
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On October 22 2012 00:30 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:25 ETisME wrote:On October 21 2012 23:14 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 23:05 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:03 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 23:02 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:56 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:55 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:
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you do realize she founded your favorite team Boxer did, not Jessica. Such an ignorant statement. Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21] she is the co founder who funded the team and managed the team from the get go Nope, she owned the team but Boxer was the founder, you said that Jessica founded the team which is not true. Boxer was the founder of the team. is it so hard to grasp the concept of two people founding something? Again, Jessica was not the founder of Slayers: On October 21 2012 22:52 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well you do realize she founded your favorite team On October 21 2012 23:01 Medrea wrote:
Jessica owned the team. Boxer founded it. On October 21 2012 22:55 Integra wrote:
Boxer did, not Jessica. On October 21 2012 23:00 Integra wrote:Some highlights from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS:....SlayerS (Korean: 슬레이어스, known officially in English as "SlayerS Clan") is a professional StarCraft 2 team created by BoxeR. ...
...August 16th, BoxeR, the original founder of both teams, leaves SlayerS to rejoin SK Telecom T1 as a coach...[21] you need to watch boxer's wing. Without jessica, boxer may have never transitioned into SC2without jessica, boxer wouldn't have the big sponsor that he got and funded the team Wait, what @ the statement. You gotta post up the link to BoxeR's wing.
I'd actually like to know more about this myself. O_o
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On October 22 2012 00:30 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer? Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either. What if he said Boxer came to the house but was only playing Hello Kitty Adventure all day and ignoring the players? That would make it worse, no? And according to the recording, he didn't say that Boxer did nothing for him. I'm not saying that Crank is 100% right but people are taking sides like they need to - when in fact, both sides basically had misunderstandings. I think that Crank could have handled it in a more mature way and I think Jessica is overly emotional, thus things blew up.
first off, boxer is a person. why are his team mates entitled to get his attention all the time? just shows how spoiled kids like crank are sheesh.
secondly,
jessica said she has the full recordings which she didnt publish
i dont believe that she would have given it to you
are you implying that crank recorded same conversation too?
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On October 22 2012 00:30 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer? Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either. What if he said Boxer came to the house but was only playing Hello Kitty Adventure all day and ignoring the players? That would make it worse, no? And according to the recording, he didn't say that Boxer did nothing for him. I'm not saying that Crank is 100% right but people are taking sides like they need to - when in fact, both sides basically had misunderstandings. I think that Crank could have handled it in a more mature way and I think Jessica is overly emotional, thus things blew up.
"Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2."
Direct transcript of the recording. While I agree that it doesn't directly say that he never took care of them. It does say he did too little, now I hope you read that with keeping in mind how much of his own fortune he spend on the team during that time.
It doesn't matter whether giving an example, plus evidence might make matters worse between Boxer/Jessica/Cella and Crank. What he's doing now, by alluding to negligence on Boxer, Jessica and Cella's part without showing examples or evidence makes matters just as bad between them.
I don't know in which world you live, but it's perfectly normal to take sides. Evidence has been shown, apologies have been issued. Why should we stay impartial? If we do stay impartial the story will never get out, as there's simply no outcry for it if we stay impartial. If we stay impartial, how long are we supposed to, how do we know when the last bit has been unearthed?
I agree that preferably this situation would've happened privately, but I believe that option has been tried while Slayers was still operational. I don't agree though that Jessica is overly emotional when players and organizations are seemingly lying to her.
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He has chat logs that he had with her before the phone call. He probably doesn't have the recorded phone call. I think this is all hanging on the "형해뭔" statement in the end. Ah, Koreans. (PS. I'm Korean who lives in Korea too. Please don't say that I don't understand culture or whatever.)
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On October 22 2012 00:38 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:30 lilsusie wrote:On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. isnt lil susie the gf of that person that claims that transfer fee of 90k for top players are "ridiculous" Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer? Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either. What if he said Boxer came to the house but was only playing Hello Kitty Adventure all day and ignoring the players? That would make it worse, no? And according to the recording, he didn't say that Boxer did nothing for him. I'm not saying that Crank is 100% right but people are taking sides like they need to - when in fact, both sides basically had misunderstandings. I think that Crank could have handled it in a more mature way and I think Jessica is overly emotional, thus things blew up. "Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2." Direct transcript of the recording. While I agree that it doesn't directly say that he never took care of them. It does say he did too little, now I hope you read that with keeping in mind how much of his own fortune he spend on the team during that time. It doesn't matter whether giving an example, plus evidence might make matters worse between Boxer/Jessica/Cella and Crank. What he's doing now, by alluding to negligence on Boxer, Jessica and Cella's part without showing examples or evidence makes matters just as bad between them. I don't know in which world you live, but it's perfectly normal to take sides. Evidence has been shown, apologies have been issued. Why should we stay impartial? If we do stay impartial the story will never get out, as there's simply no outcry for it if we stay impartial. If we stay impartial, how long are we supposed to, how do we know when the last bit has been unearthed? I agree that preferably this situation would've happened privately, but I believe that option has been tried while Slayers was still operational. I don't agree though that Jessica is overly emotional when players and organizations are seemingly lying to her.
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On October 22 2012 00:38 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:30 lilsusie wrote:On October 22 2012 00:25 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 00:23 lilsusie wrote:On October 21 2012 23:46 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 23:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
So Crank's statement doesn't have any "hard facts" like receipts, recordings, or replays, and people consider it a weak statement? As someone pointed out, the two statements largely coincide, except for Crank's talks with Boxer.
In any case, none of these boys had any reason to be covering their tracks and all that bs that Jessica does. If you can't see how she is acting out of spite while they just want to be free from this hateful situation, I don't know what will convince you short of Boxer selling her out, which is very unlikely. the crank statement only says that the atmosphere was bad, he tried to fix it but couldnt. it doesnt say what he saw as the problem and what he suggested if he suggested a payrise of 1000 percent that might have been good for morale but would have been hard for jessica and boxer to fund he blames that boxer was in the team house but didnt help them... help them with what? he needs to be specific also that short statement took them days to produce... looks like they edited out everything that could be countered by jessicas evidences He chose his words to make sure that no one else would get hurt. Obviously he's not going to be like "Boxer was actually doing X, Y and Z instead of doing A, B, C with us" because that would cause an even bigger ordeal. He's being politically very careful because he just wants people to know where he's coming from - Unlike Jessica, he's not looking to pick any more fights. Since when is saying that Boxer joined the house but didn't take care of them, nor did anything for the team, nor practiced starcraft 2 not hurting Boxer? Besides, if I were on the wrong side of the stick, I wouldn't be wanting to continue the fight either. What if he said Boxer came to the house but was only playing Hello Kitty Adventure all day and ignoring the players? That would make it worse, no? And according to the recording, he didn't say that Boxer did nothing for him. I'm not saying that Crank is 100% right but people are taking sides like they need to - when in fact, both sides basically had misunderstandings. I think that Crank could have handled it in a more mature way and I think Jessica is overly emotional, thus things blew up. "Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2." Direct transcript of the recording. While I agree that it doesn't directly say that he never took care of them. It does say he did too little, now I hope you read that with keeping in mind how much of his own fortune he spend on the team during that time. It doesn't matter whether giving an example, plus evidence might make matters worse between Boxer/Jessica/Cella and Crank. What he's doing now, by alluding to negligence on Boxer, Jessica and Cella's part without showing examples or evidence makes matters just as bad between them. I don't know in which world you live, but it's perfectly normal to take sides. Evidence has been shown, apologies have been issued. Why should we stay impartial? If we do stay impartial the story will never get out, as there's simply no outcry for it if we stay impartial. If we stay impartial, how long are we supposed to, how do we know when the last bit has been unearthed? I agree that preferably this situation would've happened privately, but I believe that option has been tried while Slayers was still operational. I don't agree though that Jessica is overly emotional when players and organizations are seemingly lying to her.
Please show me this evidence you talk about. Evidence that shows that Crank in full volitiontried to sabotage her.
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