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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 17 2012 11:30 GMT
#501
Well, let's say 40% less sales would still make for a terrible figure.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
gh0stsquall
Profile Joined March 2012
United States245 Posts
October 17 2012 11:31 GMT
#502
HOTS reinvigorated my interest in the game. Played 5k games of WoL, can honestly say I've missed like 2-5 days of GSL since open season 1 max, probably seen every single foreign tournament. It wasn't growing dull for me, I still played at least 5-10 games a day and usually always have a stream on. Now when I watch WoL I feel like the game is incomplete and can't wait to see where it evolves via HOTS. I'm sick of these people trying to tell me how I feel about SC2.
www.twitch.tv/ghostsquall || www.twitter.com/gh0stlol
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
October 17 2012 11:32 GMT
#503
On October 17 2012 20:13 Teoita wrote:
So, it boils down to "let's hope Valve makes an RTS" :D

Come to think of it, add a faction to the Dire and Radiant and it might work out nicely for a competitive game.

srsly someone has to make a costum map in dota2 of this
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
October 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#504
Agree with everything.
<3 bw
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 11:35:03
October 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#505
On October 17 2012 20:30 Teoita wrote:
Well, let's say 40% less sales would still make for a terrible figure.

It would, but with people buying the multiplayer version of the game later and Blizzard creating a micro transaction system and all the additional features that people are suggesting with it this new ''revolution'' should be doable for Blizzard.


EDIT: guy below me the source is edited in -.- read.... I was shocked by the numbers myself.
Sigmur
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland497 Posts
October 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#506
On October 17 2012 20:25 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 20:23 Teoita wrote:
None is going to spend 60 bucks for a single player Starcraft campaign. If they released HOTS now their sales would be ridicolously low.

50% of the people who buy SC2 only play the campaign. So it would be lower but I think that number alone says something about a different group of players within the SC2 community.
I'm going to dig up a source, just a second.

Edit:http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/we-play-alone-together-why-conventional-wisdom-about-single-player-games-is


You pulled that number out of thin air. I personally know like 15 people playing/who played SC2 and they all went online. In my opinion vast majority of the game buyers tried online mode more than once.
Nillinch
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland147 Posts
October 17 2012 11:35 GMT
#507
Best example how blizzard thinks is lack of name change. They want teams and players buy xx amount of extra sc2 copies. That's is not users friendly politics. They wont get far with that way... Sad story.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
October 17 2012 11:36 GMT
#508
yes it will happen very soon. regardless of what people think blizzard failed to deliver since WoW. sc2 only got this boost because there was broodwar. otherwise there would not be the same interest. same with diablo3...its a game that cannot live up to the standards former developers who worked at blizzard set with diablo and diablo 2. all they want is money and full control over everything. good job at creating bnet 0.2
FTD
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 17 2012 11:36 GMT
#509
On October 17 2012 20:32 Windwaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 20:13 Teoita wrote:
So, it boils down to "let's hope Valve makes an RTS" :D

Come to think of it, add a faction to the Dire and Radiant and it might work out nicely for a competitive game.

srsly someone has to make a costum map in dota2 of this


And if that map turned into a succesful esport it would be the ultimate irony.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
RTSDealer
Profile Joined December 2011
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 11:43:23
October 17 2012 11:37 GMT
#510
On October 17 2012 19:13 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 14:37 Xxio wrote:
Blizzard should have given Brood War a facelift instead of making StarCraft 2.

This!!! SC2 is just going down.


Wouldn't mind this.
Starcraft with better graphics and improved UI and features.

Dota 2 is basically the same as DotA in terms of game play. Nobody's complaining. Millions play it.
rtsdealer.com - I love Dota 2 and Starcraft 2
iceman.
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland33 Posts
October 17 2012 11:37 GMT
#511
Judging from the posts in this thread the title could be "Why Starcraft 2 sucks".

Destiny makes valid points. The game isn't suited for casuals with ladder anxiety and will not be nearly as popular as dota 2 or LoL, I think that's been clear for some time and I can accept that. I'm happy with sc2 and it's inferior viewer numbers and what not, because I personally think it's the superior game and there are still more than enough tournaments to follow. True, the scene will likely grow smaller, with smaller tournaments and fewer spectators, but no way in hell will the game die off in a few years time. I mean sure, it would be nice if SC2 was "huge" like LoL, but to me having followed WC3 into it's death SC2 is already way bigger than I could have imagined.

To those of you just mindlessly hating (or simply not enjoying) the game, including pro gamers, just stop playing and get on with your fucking lives if you haven't already.
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
October 17 2012 11:38 GMT
#512
On October 17 2012 20:33 Sigmur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 20:25 Bojas wrote:
On October 17 2012 20:23 Teoita wrote:
None is going to spend 60 bucks for a single player Starcraft campaign. If they released HOTS now their sales would be ridicolously low.

50% of the people who buy SC2 only play the campaign. So it would be lower but I think that number alone says something about a different group of players within the SC2 community.
I'm going to dig up a source, just a second.

Edit:http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/we-play-alone-together-why-conventional-wisdom-about-single-player-games-is


You pulled that number out of thin air. I personally know like 15 people playing/who played SC2 and they all went online. In my opinion vast majority of the game buyers tried online mode more than once.


No he didn't. Check his source.
Yeah
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 11:42:39
October 17 2012 11:39 GMT
#513
I dont understand why people keep comparing SC2 with DOTA and LOL. Thats like comparing ABC with HBO and saying welp, HBO is dead cause ABC gets much more viewers. Duh... it's free, anything thats free will attract more viewers.

As long SC2 isn't P4F you cant and dont need to compare it with DOTA or LOL etc, it's useless data. Compare it with a other retail game and you will see, SC2 isn't doing that bad.


FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 17 2012 11:39 GMT
#514
I miss UMS games so much.
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 17 2012 11:40 GMT
#515
On October 17 2012 20:37 iceman. wrote:
Judging from the posts in this thread the title could be "Why Starcraft 2 sucks".

Destiny makes valid points. The game isn't suited for casuals with ladder anxiety and will not be nearly as popular as dota 2 or LoL, I think that's been clear for some time and I can accept that. I'm happy with sc2 and it's inferior viewer numbers and what not, because I personally think it's the superior game and there are still more than enough tournaments to follow. True, the scene will likely grow smaller, with smaller tournaments and fewer spectators, but no way in hell will the game die off in a few years time. I mean sure, it would be nice if SC2 was "huge" like LoL, but to me having followed WC3 into it's death SC2 is already way bigger than I could have imagined.

To those of you just mindlessly hating (or simply not enjoying) the game, including pro gamers, just stop playing and get on with your fucking lives if you haven't already.


The point isn't the game itself. Destiny doesn't talk about the game, he talks about its interface, the way it's presented, the relationship between Blizzard the community, and the focus on the development of the game.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
October 17 2012 11:40 GMT
#516
On October 17 2012 20:31 gh0stsquall wrote:
HOTS reinvigorated my interest in the game. Played 5k games of WoL, can honestly say I've missed like 2-5 days of GSL since open season 1 max, probably seen every single foreign tournament. It wasn't growing dull for me, I still played at least 5-10 games a day and usually always have a stream on. Now when I watch WoL I feel like the game is incomplete and can't wait to see where it evolves via HOTS. I'm sick of these people trying to tell me how I feel about SC2.


Well sc2 is still the second best rts multiplayer to be released, so its fine if you are really into the game. inb4 wc3 fanboys get mad about that though :D
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
October 17 2012 11:40 GMT
#517
On October 17 2012 20:37 RTSDealer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 19:13 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
On October 17 2012 14:37 Xxio wrote:
Blizzard should have given Brood War a facelift instead of making StarCraft 2.

This!!! SC2 is just going down.


Wouldn't mind this.
Starcraft with better graphics and improved UI and features.

Dota 2 is basically the same as DotA in terms of game play. Nobody's complaining. Millions play it.


But you can't sell that to the PC Player playerbase. The execs and people who present this at tradeshows will laugh at Blizzard: "So you, the most innovative game company in the world with the best selling games, are making a new graphics engine for your 10 year old game starcraft and making a new campain for it. Really? Good luck selling that".

Yeah
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 11:44:04
October 17 2012 11:41 GMT
#518
The popularity system currently used on the custom games would maybe have been nice to use on a varied solo / team ladder scale. As in maybe if you paid a small 5 bucks fee then you could implement your own ladder map pool, and have players try it out?

This could arguably fix both team ladders and solo ladder, and it would also exclude blizzard from being the final arbiter in judging what units and what balance is good balance while leaving custom games to do their own thing in hopefully something comparable to wc3 host system.

On October 17 2012 20:40 windzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 20:37 RTSDealer wrote:
On October 17 2012 19:13 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
On October 17 2012 14:37 Xxio wrote:
Blizzard should have given Brood War a facelift instead of making StarCraft 2.

This!!! SC2 is just going down.


Wouldn't mind this.
Starcraft with better graphics and improved UI and features.

Dota 2 is basically the same as DotA in terms of game play. Nobody's complaining. Millions play it.


But you can't sell that to the PC Player playerbase. The execs and people who present this at tradeshows will laugh at Blizzard: "So you, the most innovative game company in the world with the best selling games, are making a new graphics engine for your 10 year old game starcraft and making a new campain for it. Really? Good luck selling that".



Broodwar HD remake. ;P
"Mudkip"
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 11:42:59
October 17 2012 11:42 GMT
#519
B.Net 2 is such a clusterfuck.

They could have saved themselves a lot of bother by just putting the damn game on steam. Add in steam workshop for custom maps etc and SC2 would be in a decent place already.
give.ViviD
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden235 Posts
October 17 2012 11:43 GMT
#520
Well.. um... yeah this is pretty much all correct and it's been known to a lot of people for a long time. Still won't change anything since Blizzard is in fact incompetent to cater the masses
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