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shadogi
Profile Joined November 2011
United States194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 19:59:31
October 13 2012 12:52 GMT
#1
Apparently, MoWs problems with players hasn't finished yet. I guess someone recorded a fight between Desrow and the head of the house! It looks like food and professionalism in communications are the big challenges for MoW staff. Also, Desrow's comments about people acting like Jews, in Poland no less, is nothing short of appalling.

I didn't see this posted here, so feel free to delete this if I missed the original thread.

http://soundcloud.com/user92154011/mow-boss-food
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11dnjn/mow_boss_at_it_again/
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
October 13 2012 13:01 GMT
#2
More drama incomming , but who cares..?
In house full of dudes , there will be always fights its nature , you cant be liked by everyone , and like everyone , life
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 13 2012 13:03 GMT
#3
Desrow " JEWSSSSSSSSSSSS". I guess MOW house did give him more exposure!

:| i think manager is being reasonable but i understand why desrow would be unhappy if since the last piece of drama they are still only eating sandwiches.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
October 13 2012 13:06 GMT
#4
Haha this place seems like such a joke! Seems like nothing good is ever coming out of this.
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
October 13 2012 13:07 GMT
#5
you should read the reddit thread if you want to post it , and use more correct info, apparently it's not the boss but a player manager talking to desrow, desrow starts shouting and calling the polish guy a jew because he doesnt want to eat sandwiches
morrow steps up and handles the situation like desrow should of at the end, talking instead of raging and using insults =/
lubu42
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States314 Posts
October 13 2012 13:09 GMT
#6
I really like all the players currently in the MoW house and quite honestly, food should not be an issue for players staying at these houses. It should be one of the main parts of the budget and taken care of as needed. From what I have heard the boss is a huge d-bag but I can't really say anything on this cause I don't know the guy 0.o Hope things get settled over there though cause it seems like some stupid problems to me.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
October 13 2012 13:10 GMT
#7
Only decent part of this clip is how much of a dude morrow is.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 13:13 GMT
#8
4. We are aware of the issues regarding food, that the players have risen and are looking to resolve them as soon as possible. Since the house has not yet been fully manned with players with frequent changes the provisioning schedule was the hardest to keep up to date.


MoW statement from exactly a month ago. so no, nothing changed and people get angry if the food sucks or even go hungry.

MoWs own little food riot :D
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 13 2012 13:13 GMT
#9
at this point it's clear that the people behind that house won't become professionals, so players should really consider if they should support this "organization"
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
October 13 2012 13:17 GMT
#10
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
October 13 2012 13:18 GMT
#11
On October 13 2012 22:13 TigerKarl wrote:
at this point it's clear that the people behind that house won't become professionals, so players should really consider if they should support this "organization"


But did someone force anyone to support MoW ? Every pro player got brain... if they dont wanna suport it , they dont , if they wanna they will suport simple as that..
Dont think of players like kids , and sugest them what to do.. , they are adults ( not everyone , but most of them)
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
October 13 2012 13:21 GMT
#12
Desrow so classy
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
October 13 2012 13:21 GMT
#13
well morrow is cold bloded and desrow rages instantly. which shouldnt shift blame from house for lousy food. its argumentum ad hominem. if i was eating crap every day i would take my money for food back and ate properly. this is embarrasing for mow. again.
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
October 13 2012 13:23 GMT
#14
The stupidity of both of these situations amaze me. Were the food arrangements not talked to about before all these players came over? If not, it's the fault of the players for not being more self-aware and asking shit like this. If it was, and MoW lied then that is unacceptable and players just need to leave. An organization does not get better on it's own because it spontaneously grows a conscience..players need to leave and be done with this organization.

Either way, we need players to be a little more self-aware and understand that not everyone is going to treat them well..and they need to learn to protect themselves. If a situation sounds too good to be true..that's because it is.
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 13 2012 13:24 GMT
#15
to be honest it sounds like a pretty standard eastern european diet
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
October 13 2012 13:25 GMT
#16
I love Morrow
@x5_MegaFonzie
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 13 2012 13:25 GMT
#17
Go MorroW!
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ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
October 13 2012 13:26 GMT
#18
Some of the people that lived in the house have given very insightful comments on the reddit thread. I can't believe the boss is getting away with this... It really sucks for the players that went there to practice and grind. Desrow went way overboard with the reaction as he snapped but what the boss offers and does in general seems extremely fucked up.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 13 2012 13:30 GMT
#19
When did ret move out of MoW? He arrived, casted a tournament and I saw him stream a few times but seems like he isn't there anymore. Even his girlfriend moved with him and was supposed to cast their events do interviews, so did something happen and will they be back in the house?
Maybe they just couldn't live without a real dinner .
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Atokad
Profile Joined November 2010
United States204 Posts
October 13 2012 13:30 GMT
#20
On October 13 2012 22:23 KeyHunt wrote:
The stupidity of both of these situations amaze me. Were the food arrangements not talked to about before all these players came over? If not, it's the fault of the players for not being more self-aware and asking shit like this. If it was, and MoW lied then that is unacceptable and players just need to leave. An organization does not get better on it's own because it spontaneously grows a conscience..players need to leave and be done with this organization.

Either way, we need players to be a little more self-aware and understand that not everyone is going to treat them well..and they need to learn to protect themselves. If a situation sounds too good to be true..that's because it is.


I'd leave it at this. Well said.
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nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 13:30 GMT
#21
On October 13 2012 22:26 ReaperX wrote:
Some of the people that lived in the house have given very insightful comments on the reddit thread. I can't believe the boss is getting away with this... It really sucks for the players that went there to practice and grind. Desrow went way overboard with the reaction as he snapped but what the boss offers and does in general seems extremely fucked up.


yes, karmy was defending MOW last time around...this time raound his comments arent so positiv anymore (tried to strongarm him like fuzer....again...same shit )
syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
October 13 2012 13:30 GMT
#22
I guess his english skills say enough :D
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Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
October 13 2012 13:31 GMT
#23
I think MoW will end pretty soon aswell, the head coach didnt seem like a guy that was very open to change.

Some of the players will probably leave soon aswell, and I cant image new ones comming in after all the shit:D
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tianGO
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina591 Posts
October 13 2012 13:36 GMT
#24
Everytime I tune in Morrow's stream he eventually goes for a "MC Donalds Run", I was wondering what's up with that...
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creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 13:36 GMT
#25
So nobody cooks breakfast, and for dinner they get soup + a sandwich. I'm not sure I would be too stoked about that arrangement either.

I don't think what Des said was out of line at all. He only raised his voice slightly to counter the absolute screaming coming from the "manager" with poor english. That manager wasn't listening to him at all or providing anything useful, basically just trying to talk down Des like a jerk.
Terran it up.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
October 13 2012 13:41 GMT
#26
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?
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Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
October 13 2012 13:41 GMT
#27
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast, and for dinner they get soup + a sandwich. I'm not sure I would be too stoked about that arrangement either.

I don't think what Des said was out of line at all. He only raised his voice slightly to counter the absolute screaming coming from the "manager" with poor english. That manager wasn't listening to him at all or providing anything useful, basically just trying to talk down Des like a jerk.

"You are fucking jews..." that's not raising his voice slightly. Both parties acted immaturely.
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creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#28
On October 13 2012 22:41 Silencioseu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast, and for dinner they get soup + a sandwich. I'm not sure I would be too stoked about that arrangement either.

I don't think what Des said was out of line at all. He only raised his voice slightly to counter the absolute screaming coming from the "manager" with poor english. That manager wasn't listening to him at all or providing anything useful, basically just trying to talk down Des like a jerk.

"You are fucking jews..." that's not raising his voice slightly. Both parties acted immaturely.


Raising your voice means VOLUME, not choice of words. The word Jew doesn't offend me, especially when he wasn't using it as a racial ephithet. derp
Terran it up.
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#29
On October 13 2012 22:41 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?


Well its the norm for Korean pro houses.
Terran it up.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
October 13 2012 13:46 GMT
#30
props to morrow. <3
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
October 13 2012 13:48 GMT
#31
On October 13 2012 22:44 creamyturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:41 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?


Well its the norm for Korean pro houses.


Ahh ok didnt realise. With the amount of physical activity going on in sc2 practice I wouldnt have thought it was necessary to have a heavy breakfast.
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 13 2012 13:54 GMT
#32
On October 13 2012 22:48 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:44 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:41 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?


Well its the norm for Korean pro houses.


Ahh ok didnt realise. With the amount of physical activity going on in sc2 practice I wouldnt have thought it was necessary to have a heavy breakfast.


in Korea cooked breakfast is standard. has nothing to do with SC2. Its just the korean culture that if you live in a house you get cooked breakfast from your family. Like rice, rice cake and verious side dishes.
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Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
October 13 2012 13:54 GMT
#33
Id be more angry about the diversity.. From what has been said on food its usually the same over and over again each day each week.. that gets pretty annyoing aswell.
I mean i could be fine with soup + sandwich as lunch once maybe twice a week - but not every effin day.
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Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
October 13 2012 13:55 GMT
#34
It was not the boss, but a new employee in the house and the situation got fixed within 10 minutes
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
October 13 2012 13:59 GMT
#35
So now it's wrong if we say Desrow hwaiitiing? :D
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 14:02 GMT
#36
This won't be a super-ultra professional statement and fluff, there is no need of that anymore. I hope a lot of people will understand the point of Ministry of Win, because this is first and the last big explanation – of the project and me as well.

Allegations of the other players that left Ministry of Win in last topic: Most of you never said anything about the problems while you were staying in the house. It’s too late now, you know? Still - thank you for your contribution.

Parties in Ministry of Win: They happened, mostly with the other guys on weekends (yes, guys, with you drinking glasses of vodka as well, thank you for your contribution in here). Other situations were happening not often and not without any reason. It grows to a large size. Too large size.

Sound file: This was obviously not me (Maciej) in the room, I came later and invited desRow to the office, where we handled the whole situation. Michael acted improperly and too emotional, as well as desrow did. We explained everything in the office – it shouldn’t have appeared on the stream. We find desRow as a really good guy – that’s the reason why he got invited to the house for free as well. It’s all about desire to practice as well.

Food issues: We were trying to change and improve the food as much as we could. Remember one thing – services costs 2500PLN a month, it’s good to remember all the costs that we are covering: - House Rent - High speed Internet - Electricity - Gas - Other bills - Car (so we can drive with the guys to the desired places) - Salary - Chemical stuff - Food - Cook - Cleaner - Laundry - etc…

It is sad that most of you think that living in Poland is THAT cheap. Most of the costs (similar to the house rent) are spent on the food and cooking staff – about 10.000 PLN+ each month. Unfortunatelly, to keep this project alive we can’t provide 5 meals each day. After a loud expression of the opinion by Marc and one of the managers of MoW, two meetings were held this day, which were aimed at the final elimination of the problem. They have been carried out effectively, and further steps will be taken very soon – maybe even exchanging the Staff in this project. (It’s not offending anyone, we may just have to test something else). I would like you to stop talking about the money because it is not the point of this project at this level. It is impossible to tell you everything as this is a company secret. Let’s start to behave mature. There will be always problems with the food, as everyone is different, everyone likes other things, everyone needs more/less to eat. After this few months it’s sure that we will never satisfy everyone living in the house. It’s impossible with the actual price and the conditions. The reason of the price being 2500PLN is to make this place cheapest as possible – so it can grow faster as well. Some people said “Boss is money hungry”. What? Seriously? Go back to the costs again, please.

About my person: Yes, it is Maciej right now. I would like you to understand one thing. This house is our house. Players are our guests. We require our guests to stick to our rules. Rules are simple, as in normal house, no one had any problems with that before. If someone had, we were trying to solve them as soon as possible. I did not spent almost one year now (yes, it was my idea and my work through the whole time) to make this place as it appears in media right now. I was always trying to be a nice person. Sometimes yes - I was too emotional, but it has nothing to do with current situation. Please, stop it.

PS. Noticimus, “Edit #2 After one of the parties they actually asked the players if they could borrow money to fund electricity bill for a month, they probably used their budget on sausages and alcohol(there was a lot of alcohol)” this is too cool. I will print it and stick it to the wall above my desk.


MoW statement from reddit

tldr : shut up we´ll take your money. we party so what? its our house. it cost money and even time (surprise)
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
October 13 2012 14:02 GMT
#37
Well, the guy in the recording sounds either drunk or with a bad english. As a player manager, he surely needs to be able to communicate well in English. This shoots the professionality of the house down a lot. Kind of makes the whole situation disappointing even more so, that the issue seems to be ongoing and still unresolved.
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
October 13 2012 14:03 GMT
#38
MoW just seems like a joke. Why is everyone there again? Is that environment really a good training environment for these guys?

Wen was the last time anyone heard anyrhing good about MoW?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:05:13
October 13 2012 14:03 GMT
#39
On October 13 2012 22:54 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:48 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:44 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:41 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?


Well its the norm for Korean pro houses.


Ahh ok didnt realise. With the amount of physical activity going on in sc2 practice I wouldnt have thought it was necessary to have a heavy breakfast.


in Korea cooked breakfast is standard. has nothing to do with SC2. Its just the korean culture that if you live in a house you get cooked breakfast from your family. Like rice, rice cake and verious side dishes.

You're right except for the rice cakes. They're quite upscale desserts that you wouldn't usually have with your breakfast.

Going by their statement I don't think anything will change. A shame. It was a nice idea.
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Brombaer
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany43 Posts
October 13 2012 14:04 GMT
#40
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
October 13 2012 14:04 GMT
#41
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.
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Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
October 13 2012 14:05 GMT
#42
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Did you detect the sarcasm?
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 14:05 GMT
#43
On October 13 2012 22:55 Wilko wrote:
It was not the boss, but a new employee in the house and the situation got fixed within 10 minutes


On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
October 13 2012 14:09 GMT
#44
They should plug some cameras in MoW and put it on TV. hard knock life.
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
October 13 2012 14:10 GMT
#45
MoW is a scam, no surprise there. Honestly how anyone can take them seriously after the cat pictures is beyond me.
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 14:10 GMT
#46
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.

Terran it up.
Brombaer
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:29:23
October 13 2012 14:12 GMT
#47
On October 13 2012 23:05 Wilko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Did you detect the sarcasm?

Maybe I don't know him well enough but I think there is no sarcasm. If this is really the lunch without any side dishes I wouldn't call it healthy or even a balanced meal.

EDIT: Ok, he says it's sarcasm but with the latest requests for more healthy, hot meals I wouldn't call this an improvement. Well you live there, so you gotta know it :D
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:15:06
October 13 2012 14:14 GMT
#48
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 14:16 GMT
#49
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.
Terran it up.
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
October 13 2012 14:18 GMT
#50
MoW is a polish reality show. It's just a joke!
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
October 13 2012 14:19 GMT
#51
On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?
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Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1119 Posts
October 13 2012 14:20 GMT
#52
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


... the context is the problem. Greedy as a jew, in a bad way... that's what desrow talked about.

I'm kinda disapointed. MoW has to rearrange their accounting, or the boss(es) is/are really as greedy as mentioned.
I do understand that it isn't easy to manage such a project, but if it doesn't work out, something has to change. If they not change anything, i won't shed any tears. Bankrupt as earned.
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aintthatfunny
Profile Joined April 2012
193 Posts
October 13 2012 14:20 GMT
#53
On October 13 2012 23:05 nikoYO wrote:
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On October 13 2012 22:55 Wilko wrote:
It was not the boss, but a new employee in the house and the situation got fixed within 10 minutes


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On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552



Hahah you fool, wilko lives there since several months.
I promise I'll behave.
nucleo
Profile Joined February 2011
292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:25:41
October 13 2012 14:23 GMT
#54
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 14:25 GMT
#55
On October 13 2012 23:20 aintthatfunny wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:05 nikoYO wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:55 Wilko wrote:
It was not the boss, but a new employee in the house and the situation got fixed within 10 minutes


On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552



Hahah you fool, wilko lives there since several months.


you dont say :O hahaha
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:26:49
October 13 2012 14:26 GMT
#56
On October 13 2012 23:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?

At least in my culture, when you say "I got jewed" or "You are a jew" means the exact same thing as " I got close to nothing" or " You ripped me off "
Still, using that diction is totally unacceptable.
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
October 13 2012 14:27 GMT
#57
Pro gamers can't live off noobs! They need protein for multitasking, vegetables for staying sane and carbs for micro.
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creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:30:45
October 13 2012 14:28 GMT
#58
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs

Terran it up.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:33:05
October 13 2012 14:28 GMT
#59
Its not so much the word "Jew" that is offensive, it is the use and context of the word "Jew". Sure its appropriate to call Jewish people Jews, but Desrow was using it to describe the conditions at MoW by invoking the stereotype that Jews are greedy and are seeking to exploit the MoW residents. This is antisemitism / racism 101 because of the derogatory and historical implications of the use of the word "Jew".

Its unfortunate that the whole issue of the living conditions in pro-gaming houses and MoW's shady business practices are being overshadowed by Desrow's poor choice of words.

Re: nigger vs jew. I assume the context of the words isn't the same in Europe vs North America because of the different history of these minority groups within their respective countries. Nonetheless, saying one is worse than the other is irrelevant because ultimately, it doesn't change the simple reality that these are loaded, damaging words when they're used like we see here.
nucleo
Profile Joined February 2011
292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:36:22
October 13 2012 14:28 GMT
#60
On October 13 2012 23:26 Steelavocado wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?

At least in my culture, when you say "I got jewed" or "You are a jew" means the exact same thing as " I got close to nothing" or " You ripped me off "
Still, using that diction is totally unacceptable.

ofc its unacceptable, calling some one a "jew" to mean what you say it means (or any other actually) is racism

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On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


have you tried reading the link you have posted? lol
he called some one a jew to depict them as greedy. how is that different from calling someone a "dirty jew"?


any way - he used the word "jew" to be offensive.
i guess "you drive like an asian" isnt racist as well.
what ever makes you feel better at night man.
nucleo
Profile Joined February 2011
292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 14:33:39
October 13 2012 14:32 GMT
#61
delete this post plz. sorry
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
October 13 2012 14:34 GMT
#62
On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


Contextually speaking he used it in a manner that highlights a stereotypical quality of the Jewish people, and in that respect it was intended as a slur. Given that Jew is both a pejorative and the given name an individual of that particular faith context is really the only thing that would distinguish its usage. There is a Louis CK bit out there that illustrates this nicely.
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 13 2012 14:38 GMT
#63
On October 13 2012 23:34 ThomasjServo wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


Contextually speaking he used it in a manner that highlights a stereotypical quality of the Jewish people, and in that respect it was intended as a slur. Given that Jew is both a pejorative and the given name an individual of that particular faith context is really the only thing that would distinguish its usage. There is a Louis CK bit out there that illustrates this nicely.


I swear, people nitpick the stupidest shit and ignore the bigger picture. Who cares about what kind of words they used, people say a lot of things when things get heated. All people need to do is realize that they aren't getting good meals like they should.
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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
October 13 2012 14:45 GMT
#64
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy
ggaemo fan
SevenShots
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany84 Posts
October 13 2012 14:46 GMT
#65
If it goes on like this i doubt there will be a MoW in three months. Nobody will go there anymore if you pay 600€? and dont even get nice meals ...
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 14:46 GMT
#66
Exactly. Good healthy food is not expensive. You can buy rice, potatoes, eggs, fish, bananas, pasta, and vegetables all for dirt cheap, to name a few.
Terran it up.
lolboi222
Profile Joined March 2012
South Africa44 Posts
October 13 2012 14:46 GMT
#67
Its over for mow. No serious player will join them now.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 13 2012 14:48 GMT
#68
This is already so ridiculous, we should make a musical out of it.

So that when Desrow starts cussing, he replaces it with a beatles song.

"You jew... I want real food. Take this shit lunch, and make it bet-er-er-errr
Remember, I'm here to stream SC2, and to pwn noobs, and to get betterr-ett-err-etter-OWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

naaaaaaaa nah nah nah nah nah nahhhhh
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Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
October 13 2012 14:51 GMT
#69
On October 13 2012 23:45 valaki wrote:
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy

Funny hearing desrow say that after the shit he pulled on maximusblack, either way the MoW "boss" is in the wrong and isn't acting very professionaly like morrow said.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 15:05:32
October 13 2012 15:04 GMT
#70
No hot meals is tragic. In Asia pretty much every meal is a hot meal (=.=")

Also something needs to be done if players have to resort to going to McDonalds all the time. That shit is VERY unhealthy.
Luisa_2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany200 Posts
October 13 2012 15:05 GMT
#71
Wow MoW, I mean really? Unprofessional in every way...
Even though the head-manager seems to be a nice guy, you are the one who takes the responsibility for your employes, aswell as all the other things like take a look at the food-schedule or the cooking staff. The tweet from Desitny and the lunch tells the wohle story...
I can't see how you will survive or keep going...
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czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
October 13 2012 15:08 GMT
#72
I suggest desrow meeting some students and talk about hot meals anyways theres so much drama going on, too much for me, just let them do their job.
Not post worth imo.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 15:12 GMT
#73
Well i gotta admit that the meal Destiny posted on his twitter is really bad like i wouldn't accept that if i was going to play all those hours and eat just that for lunch? No way.
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transcendent one
Profile Joined July 2012
251 Posts
October 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#74
this is hilarious

btw i bet Desrow has no clue that he could be jewish in 6 month if he'd like to be
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
October 13 2012 15:24 GMT
#75
On October 14 2012 00:08 astor wrote:
I suggest desrow meeting some students and talk about hot meals anyways theres so much drama going on, too much for me, just let them do their job.
Not post worth imo.



i think people post because they arent doing their job?
Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 15:31:50
October 13 2012 15:30 GMT
#76
On October 14 2012 00:05 Luisa_2 wrote:
Wow MoW, I mean really? Unprofessional in every way...
Even though the head-manager seems to be a nice guy, you are the one who takes the responsibility for your employes, aswell as all the other things like take a look at the food-schedule or the cooking staff. The tweet from Desitny and the lunch tells the wohle story...
I can't see how you will survive or keep going...


He took responsiblity for his employees, the player-manager was new, he acted unprofessional and the boss made sure that it won't happen again. We also had 2 meetings together with the management, in which we discussed the whole situation and worked out a solution. Redo food-schedule, getting new cooking staff, etc..
Destiny's tweet is meant sarcastic, it was of course not the lunch we had today

There are problems sometimes and there were plenty of problems in the past, but there are in any business, the important thing is to figure them out and to try to find solutions and they actually do that as good as they can. Many people have this image of the greedy boss who scams everyone. I hope i don't blow your mind, when i tell you that he actually doesn't earn anything himself.
If this house would be really so bad, then there wouldn't be so many players coming and staying in the house.
This house has potential and it shows results, like Cytoplasm and Snute qualifying for MLG and IPL or Targa getting 3rd place at Dreamhack.
Convince yourselves and tune in to the streams. You can hear the entire gaming room over the microphones. There are nice people, hard training, an enjoyable atmosphere a lot of fun and occasionally problems that we try to solve together.

This house has potential, if it succeeds, then there might be plenty of similar projects in the future, if it fails, then people will be even more hesitant to try anything like this. I hope it succeeds and that it will help growing eSports
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 15:31:20
October 13 2012 15:31 GMT
#77
What language do I have to speak to understand what this Boss dude is saying?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 13 2012 15:34 GMT
#78
I'd have a hard time thinking of anything that I care less about than listening to those files. Proud to say that I didn't, because I don't have a penchant for drama .
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
October 13 2012 15:34 GMT
#79
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


I'm not sure you really know what you're talking about. Isn't MoW in Poland ? Do you know being called jew in this country could actually be worse than being called nigger in the US ? Do you even know what happened in this country 50 years ago ?
Oh well whatever. That still sucks for MoW though, wouldn't be happy to live there if I had to eat the same meal everyday. T_T
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 13 2012 15:35 GMT
#80
On October 13 2012 23:05 Wilko wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Did you detect the sarcasm?


And in the case that someone didnt understand it (who am I kidding...)

I never knew that MoW & Destiny had a cooking blog:
http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
October 13 2012 15:37 GMT
#81
Using "jew" as "greedy" should not be accepted.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
October 13 2012 15:40 GMT
#82
On October 14 2012 00:37 [F_]aths wrote:
Using "jew" as "greedy" should not be accepted.

Yeah, Scottish is the proper term.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 15:50:25
October 13 2012 15:44 GMT
#83
On October 13 2012 21:52 shadogi wrote:
Apparently, MoWs problems with players hasn't finished yet. I guess someone recorded a fight between Desrow and the head of the house! It looks like food and professionalism in communications are the big challenges for MoW staff.

I didn't see this posted here, so feel free to delete this if I missed the original thread.

http://soundcloud.com/user92154011/mow-boss-food
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11dnjn/mow_boss_at_it_again/


Why they decided to let Desrow in amongst many other players who are established was beyond me in the first place and I used to be in player development.

Didn't like their format and considering we're well aware of the run ins desrow has had with others in the past this be no surprise to anyone.

Usually they check your personalities prior to putting you in such an environment as well.

I've seen none of that. Just take who was known so meh.

On another note: players should really know what they signed up for before going into situations like that.

Anyway I thought they both handled the situation very poorly.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 13 2012 15:52 GMT
#84
Morrow telling the so called staff how to act in conflicts... jesus... O_o They should hire morrow instead.
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Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
October 13 2012 15:54 GMT
#85
On October 14 2012 00:34 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


I'm not sure you really know what you're talking about. Isn't MoW in Poland ? Do you know being called jew in this country could actually be worse than being called nigger in the US ? Do you even know what happened in this country 50 years ago ?
Oh well whatever. That still sucks for MoW though, wouldn't be happy to live there if I had to eat the same meal everyday. T_T


Polish friend of mine told me calling someone a jew over there isn't that big of a deal seeing as people do it on daily occurrence so stop getting offended for no reasons.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
October 13 2012 15:54 GMT
#86
[B]On October 14 2012 00:44 StarStruck wrote:[/B
On another note: players should really know what they signed up for before going into situations like that.


This is such a stupid statement.

They pay 800€ a month + a cut of their stream revenue, so like 1000€ a month. Thats enough money to have them eat at a restaurant every day and MoW would still make a profit.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 13 2012 15:59 GMT
#87
Foreign esports. They were so eager to get that esports dollar that they half assed the whole thing and now here we are. Drama after drama
o choro é livre
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 13 2012 16:00 GMT
#88
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Success for Desrow! That looks like a hot meal to me!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 16:02 GMT
#89
On October 14 2012 00:59 Al Bundy wrote:
Foreign esports. They were so eager to get that esports dollar that they half assed the whole thing and now here we are. Drama after drama


Well some stuff needs to get discussed otherwise it wont ever get better. Not saying anything wont make it better
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 13 2012 16:03 GMT
#90
On October 14 2012 01:00 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Success for Desrow! That looks like a hot meal to me!


really? it looks like shit to me..
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johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:13:08
October 13 2012 16:06 GMT
#91
well there are a couple things you must always raise your voice about no matter what.

-Food and Sleep

If you dont get adequate amounts of food each day, Your blood sugar goes down. When your blood sugar goes down people tend to get extremely cranky and if you are playing games, you will get very emotional and play even worst. Depending on how low your blood sugar is you might find it difficult to practice and concentrate.

Food is the most important thing in this house, If i was the boss of MOW, I'd prioritize the food situation above all.

If its a cost problem and they do not want to raise the price of how much it takes to stay in the house, Then clearly some other less important aspect of the house deal needs to be cut to make room for a higher food budget. ( maybe cut the maid, and rely on players doing their own laundry for example)

This shit where players are getting 1 meal a day is a joke. I would expect atleast 2 big meals + breakfast being cereal or eggs.
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
October 13 2012 16:10 GMT
#92
On October 14 2012 00:54 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On October 14 2012 00:44 StarStruck wrote:[/B
On another note: players should really know what they signed up for before going into situations like that.


This is such a stupid statement.

They pay 800€ a month + a cut of their stream revenue, so like 1000€ a month. Thats enough money to have them eat at a restaurant every day and MoW would still make a profit.

If you enter into a business agreement, important things should not be left up to the discretion of the landlord. Something like this should have been outlined in the contract signed by the players. Hopefully we can learn from situations like this and become a more experienced community.

MoW is under no obligation to provide fantastic meals b/c the contract didn't explicitly outline how good the meals should be. It sounds like nitpicking, but the structure is there to prevent situations like this before they have a possibility of arising.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
October 13 2012 16:11 GMT
#93
"You guys are money-grubbing tight-wads"

would have sufficed.
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FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
October 13 2012 16:12 GMT
#94
On October 14 2012 00:35 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:05 Wilko wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


Did you detect the sarcasm?


And in the case that someone didnt understand it (who am I kidding...)

I never knew that MoW & Destiny had a cooking blog:
http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html


Honestly looked like a pretty sweet lunch to me even if it's fake.
Eating that for days on end is probably less pleasant though.
joeschmo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States167 Posts
October 13 2012 16:15 GMT
#95
The amount of health & nutrients being held in that lock box they disgracefully name "kitchen" is enough hilarity for a vagabond to not only decline a supper invitation but scoff at the idea with his dying breath from starvation. I'd rather eat the excrement of a goats bowels than live under the rule of these incompetent miscreants.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:17:37
October 13 2012 16:16 GMT
#96
On October 14 2012 01:11 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
"You guys are money-grubbing tight-wads"

would have sufficed.


That's what he said. He has an American accent that got in the way.

On October 14 2012 01:15 joeschmo wrote:
The amount of health & nutrients being held in that lock box they disgracefully name "kitchen" is enough hilarity for a vagabond to not only decline a supper invitation but scoff at the idea with his dying breath from starvation. I'd rather eat the excrement of a goats bowels than live under the rule of these incompetent miscreants.


Spoken like someone who has eaten regularly. See if that's your opinion after months of sandwiches and soup only. :D
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2572 Posts
October 13 2012 16:17 GMT
#97
I'm disappointed in Desrow for calling that guy a Jew and for the situation overall. Shit just doesn't really seem right there for a supposedly legit practice house.
Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:23:06
October 13 2012 16:21 GMT
#98
On October 14 2012 00:54 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On October 14 2012 00:44 StarStruck wrote:[/B
On another note: players should really know what they signed up for before going into situations like that.


This is such a stupid statement.

They pay 800€ a month + a cut of their stream revenue, so like 1000€ a month. Thats enough money to have them eat at a restaurant every day and MoW would still make a profit.


It's 600€ a month
i wouldn't mind eating at a restaurant every day, but how would they pay for the house rent, and the pcs and monitors and the high speed internet and the electricity and the gas, heating, driving-service, laundry-service, cleaning-service, other items needed in the house?
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#99
On October 14 2012 00:40 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 00:37 [F_]aths wrote:
Using "jew" as "greedy" should not be accepted.

Yeah, Scottish is the proper term.

nein! nein! nein! You need to listen to the guy from naziland germany!

I'm really sad, that they are the only gaming house in europe open for everyone. I think if they had a competitor they would need to adapt. monopolys are bad, mhmkay?!
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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:28:53
October 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#100
They are giving desrow's meatballs to Steven. It's all a part of their individual training regimes.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#101
Polish friend of mine told me calling someone a jew over there isn't that big of a deal seeing as people do it on daily occurrence so stop getting offended for no reasons.


And you know, the same was probably true in Germany in the 30's. Which is why we think it's not okay to use 'jew' as a derogatory term. It's just incredibly sad if it's still common in Poland to do so. And on another note Desrow isn't even Polish, so that's not even applicable.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#102
MorroW handling the situation like a true Swede. Screaming like Desrow did is certainly not leading to anything good but I can see that he's frustrated if it's true things haven't improved a bit in several months. I mean, they're paying to be there, they need to be able to demand things.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 16:29 GMT
#103
On October 14 2012 01:26 Mouzone wrote:
MorroW handling the situation like a true Swede. Screaming like Desrow did is certainly not leading to anything good but I can see that he's frustrated if it's true things haven't improved a bit in several months. I mean, they're paying to be there, they need to be able to demand things.


I agree with this 100% MorroW acted like a professional in this matters.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:32:23
October 13 2012 16:31 GMT
#104
Maybe MoW should sell that gym they have in the house and load up the pantry with basic grocery stuff that you need on a daily basis to function like a normal human being. Whats the point of having a gym when the guys living there can't even eat properly a couple times a day without having to go to McDonalds and shit?

Also props to MorroW and that other dude for having some brains in the matter.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 13 2012 16:32 GMT
#105
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.
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nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
October 13 2012 16:35 GMT
#106
After all of the MoW drama, I find it hard to take them seriously. I feel bad for the players that were mislead on the nature of the house, and walked into this situation.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
October 13 2012 16:37 GMT
#107
T_T that picture of the lunch is quite sad; i mean...i eat like 2 slices of bread a day and it suffice but desrow is like 5 incontrols, he needs food..i would probably scream too

at least i know now that personalities like morrow can be usefull at times, funny crisis managment
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 13 2012 16:37 GMT
#108
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.
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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
October 13 2012 16:44 GMT
#109
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


Call Razer immediately! I'm sure they care.
Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
October 13 2012 16:47 GMT
#110
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:48:04
October 13 2012 16:47 GMT
#111
morrow should teach desrow the way to handle situations.
the news from MoW are kinda sad. i hoped it would be good, but too much problem and drama around them.

On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


lol thats a fake picture get over it.
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Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:53:21
October 13 2012 16:49 GMT
#112
On October 14 2012 01:47 Breach_hu wrote:
morrow should teach desrow the way to handle situations.
the news from MoW are kinda sad. i hoped it would be good, but too much problem and drama around them.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


lol thats a fake picture get over it.


ummm no? go check it out from his twitter if you like.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 13 2012 16:49 GMT
#113
On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


That picture is fake. http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:51:14
October 13 2012 16:50 GMT
#114
On October 14 2012 01:49 Trict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:47 Breach_hu wrote:
morrow should teach desrow the way to handle situations.
the news from MoW are kinda sad. i hoped it would be good, but too much problem and drama around them.

On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


lol thats a fake picture get over it.


ummm no?


On October 14 2012 01:49 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


That picture is fake. http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html



ummm yes?
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Wortie
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands212 Posts
October 13 2012 16:54 GMT
#115
Desrow didn't use the word jew as a racist slur, he used it as it's stereotype image. When you call someone a jew, who isn't actually a jew, you call someone greedy, or like that person makes too much money. I don't think it was that bad of an offense.
Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
October 13 2012 16:55 GMT
#116
On October 14 2012 01:50 Breach_hu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:49 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:47 Breach_hu wrote:
morrow should teach desrow the way to handle situations.
the news from MoW are kinda sad. i hoped it would be good, but too much problem and drama around them.

On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


lol thats a fake picture get over it.


ummm no?


Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:49 Zocat wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


That picture is fake. http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html



ummm yes?


ok my apologies didn't see that already in the thread, however it still does not solve the issue at hand that the food is not even remotely close to healthy.
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
October 13 2012 16:56 GMT
#117
On October 13 2012 23:51 Phemtos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:45 valaki wrote:
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy

Funny hearing desrow say that after the shit he pulled on maximusblack, either way the MoW "boss" is in the wrong and isn't acting very professionaly like morrow said.


What happened between desrow and maximusblack?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 13 2012 16:57 GMT
#118
Desrow didn't use the word jew as a racist slur, he used it as it's stereotype image. When you call someone a jew, who isn't actually a jew, you call someone greedy, or like that person makes too much money. I don't think it was that bad of an offense.


And that is exactly what racism is. That that image exists is racism.

But anyway, the main point here is of course that it is awful that they're not getting fed properly and that it sucks for the development of the scene in general.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
October 13 2012 16:57 GMT
#119
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I'd like to echo this sentiment. MoW food and management issues aside, desrow's comments are unacceptable and I hope he gets nothing but trouble and poor results, so more of the same in this case. Also, thank you to all the posters who so valiantly defend the epithetic use of "jew"; threads like these are handy tools for easily pointing out scum.
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Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
October 13 2012 17:00 GMT
#120
On October 14 2012 01:55 Trict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:50 Breach_hu wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:49 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:47 Breach_hu wrote:
morrow should teach desrow the way to handle situations.
the news from MoW are kinda sad. i hoped it would be good, but too much problem and drama around them.

On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


lol thats a fake picture get over it.


ummm no?


On October 14 2012 01:49 Zocat wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:47 Trict wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:37 kochanfe wrote:
wow... calling them "jews"... DesRow is pretty fucking racist.


are you seriously going to argue that? Stop trying to make desrow the issue here and look at the fact that MoW is getting paid and the players are getting shit for food. Destiny just posted this as his lunch, http://imgur.com/vK6ra I would not eat that look at it is disgusting. Desrow did make a poor comment in anger but that is not the point stay on topic please.


That picture is fake. http://ktykitchen.blogspot.de/2010/09/marinara-meatballs.html



ummm yes?


ok my apologies didn't see that already in the thread, however it still does not solve the issue at hand that the food is not even remotely close to healthy.


it does not solve the issues, yes. but calling someone else a jew is not solving it either.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 13 2012 17:00 GMT
#121
forget jersey shore we need a reality tv show of the house. i already have a great name idea ministry of fail.
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shadowrunner99
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Belarus93 Posts
October 13 2012 17:01 GMT
#122
What does MoW provide that they still stay?
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 13 2012 17:02 GMT
#123
On October 14 2012 01:56 Tao367 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:51 Phemtos wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:45 valaki wrote:
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy

Funny hearing desrow say that after the shit he pulled on maximusblack, either way the MoW "boss" is in the wrong and isn't acting very professionaly like morrow said.


What happened between desrow and maximusblack?


2 closed threads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359526
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359736

I dont know if the 2nd one is a good summary of the drama.
Wortie
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands212 Posts
October 13 2012 17:03 GMT
#124
On October 14 2012 01:57 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
Desrow didn't use the word jew as a racist slur, he used it as it's stereotype image. When you call someone a jew, who isn't actually a jew, you call someone greedy, or like that person makes too much money. I don't think it was that bad of an offense.


And that is exactly what racism is. That that image exists is racism.

But anyway, the main point here is of course that it is awful that they're not getting fed properly and that it sucks for the development of the scene in general.


yeah, well, go be offended for them then.

The real jews got bigger things on their hands right now, such as palestina. Which is one big clusterfuck too.
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
October 13 2012 17:04 GMT
#125
The man issues isnt that Desrow called someone a jew guys...
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 13 2012 17:05 GMT
#126
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
October 13 2012 17:08 GMT
#127
On October 14 2012 02:02 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:56 Tao367 wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:51 Phemtos wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:45 valaki wrote:
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy

Funny hearing desrow say that after the shit he pulled on maximusblack, either way the MoW "boss" is in the wrong and isn't acting very professionaly like morrow said.


What happened between desrow and maximusblack?


2 closed threads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359526
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359736

I dont know if the 2nd one is a good summary of the drama.


oh the selfirony.
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Wortie
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands212 Posts
October 13 2012 17:09 GMT
#128
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


I'm gonna be offended for my mom, cuz you said witch.
Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
October 13 2012 17:11 GMT
#129
I think the main thing we can take away from this situation is the fact that Morrow is awesome.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 17:11 GMT
#130
What are they, 12? They want more food options, I'm sure they can handle it themselves.

And 5 meals a day?! I hope that isn't actually 5 full meals a day, and includes like snacks or something, otherwise spoilt.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 13 2012 17:13 GMT
#131
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


hey as a pagan i resent the term witch hunter. it's highly offensive to certain pagan religions.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 13 2012 17:15 GMT
#132
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
October 13 2012 17:17 GMT
#133
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.

Or they've grown up with Jewish people, had experience with Holocaust survivors, or are Jewish themselves. I actively chide those who make stupid, childish statements laced with anti-semitism in real life; I am going to do the same online. You may call me a witch hunter all you like; I'll simply call you a fool.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 17:20:03
October 13 2012 17:18 GMT
#134
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.


well darkthrone already tried calling people jewish and it didn't work so well for them, their label refused to advertise their album until the band made up some bs about how the term meant "wrong" or something like that to norwegians and somehow the record label bought it. anyway i think its not worth getting hugely upset over while i think its not good to use the term i dont think desrow was trying to use it as an insult to the jewish comunity. however i think desrow needs to stop using terms like that.
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ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
October 13 2012 17:25 GMT
#135
This whole thing (and the Fuzer thing before) just makes me think that they need to screen the people they invite into the house more carefully (more Morrows, less Desrows).

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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
October 13 2012 17:26 GMT
#136
MoW house is like Big Brother house with no cameras. Come on guys, install hidden cameras all around the house, stream 24/7 and provide lots of booze to people living there. That's how you make money Boss.
Wicek
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 17:32:40
October 13 2012 17:32 GMT
#137


This is Maciej Krupowies, doing presentation about MoW. All is good, but this really put me off. Will do my best to translate:

"Why wont anyone else will repeat something like us? For one, we are trying to get a patent and enforce the prohibition of the use of certain names in the EU - namely a "training facility for video gamers". we want to be the only ones. we are also pioneers, and as i said there are other things like costs being higher inother countries."

I wonder how does that help esports. I'd love, if in some other country there would be a similar project to MoW. Hopefully they will not succed with their plans to ban that stuff.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 13 2012 17:34 GMT
#138
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 13 2012 17:36 GMT
#139
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.


hypocrite
Terran it up.
MekTypro
Profile Joined July 2010
France360 Posts
October 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#140
Could someone sum up what's in the audio recording plz ?

The quality isn't so great (+SC2 sound) and i'm having trouble understanding what people are saying
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
October 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#141
On October 14 2012 02:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.

We get it, you think anti-semitism is ok. Other people do not share your views, and will act accordingly. Comparing the use of Jesus (a singular noun referring to an individual) to the use of jew (a pejorative noun reflecting ethnic/religious status) is as stupid as it gets.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 13 2012 17:39 GMT
#142
Food is not expensive... These players are paying over 600 euros + stream money to live in this house. HOW CAN THEY NOT AFFORD FOOD FOR THEM??
Long live the Boss Toss!
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
October 13 2012 17:40 GMT
#143
On October 14 2012 02:39 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Food is not expensive... These players are paying over 600 euros + stream money to live in this house. HOW CAN THEY NOT AFFORD FOOD FOR THEM??


well you gotta set aside $$ for the alcohol and parties, those things aren't cheap ya know
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 13 2012 17:42 GMT
#144
On October 14 2012 01:54 Wortie wrote:
Desrow didn't use the word jew as a racist slur, he used it as it's stereotype image. When you call someone a jew, who isn't actually a jew, you call someone greedy, or like that person makes too much money. I don't think it was that bad of an offense.


Thank you for being reasonable and not a stupid oversensitive prick like half of this fucking community.
Long live the Boss Toss!
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 13 2012 17:43 GMT
#145
On October 14 2012 02:38 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.

We get it, you think anti-semitism is ok. Other people do not share your views, and will act accordingly. Comparing the use of Jesus (a singular noun referring to an individual) to the use of jew (a pejorative noun reflecting ethnic/religious status) is as stupid as it gets.

Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.

Also, Jesus in the way he used it was not a singular noun, it is an interjection that uses the Lord's name in vain, which any religious person of catholic or christian belief (maybe other religions) would take offense to. Just because you dont find it offensive, doesnt mean others wont. Do you see what I am saying here?
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
October 13 2012 17:44 GMT
#146
They should distribute food based on relative performance, i hear thats how they got july to win.
I wrote a song once.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
October 13 2012 17:46 GMT
#147
The drama never ends with these guys

That whole situation got blown out of proportion by both Desrow and the player manager. But seriously MoW needs to get their shit together and provide them with proper meals.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 17:50:16
October 13 2012 17:49 GMT
#148
On October 14 2012 02:40 heartlxp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:39 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Food is not expensive... These players are paying over 600 euros + stream money to live in this house. HOW CAN THEY NOT AFFORD FOOD FOR THEM??


well you gotta set aside $$ for the alcohol and parties, those things aren't cheap ya know


Well i don't know if they drink much in this house but if they do and if they got a food issue they should probably not even drink at all. It's common sense that you don't drink when you haven't eaten properly.
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 13 2012 17:50 GMT
#149
On October 14 2012 02:17 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.

Or they've grown up with Jewish people, had experience with Holocaust survivors, or are Jewish themselves. I actively chide those who make stupid, childish statements laced with anti-semitism in real life; I am going to do the same online. You may call me a witch hunter all you like; I'll simply call you a fool.

OR they know how the dangerous Nazis (the clever ones) actually talk. They won't use "jewish" as equivalent to "greedy", they will talk about "anti-patriotism" or "the jewish members of our society". You can't draw conclusions from the usage of a word like that.

Assuming that desrow would love to see another holocaust (that's what it would mean if he'd be antisemitic) because he said "you're a fucking jew, stop being so greedy" to a guy who gives him a sandvich and soup for his meal is pretty damn far-fetched. The younger generation of jews I know (below 40) aren't concerned with that type of stuff because it's used as a random joke and in jest most of the time.

OBVIOUSLY if the same sentence comes from someone with a shaved head and swastika tatoos it's a different issue. Context, people.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
October 13 2012 17:50 GMT
#150
Hm, nothing good coming out of the MoW. I wonder for how long this will go on. Maybe there will be one huge finishing blow. Or maybe there will be lots and lots of rather small drama like this until finally nobody wants to go there anymore.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
October 13 2012 17:51 GMT
#151
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:38 farvacola wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.

We get it, you think anti-semitism is ok. Other people do not share your views, and will act accordingly. Comparing the use of Jesus (a singular noun referring to an individual) to the use of jew (a pejorative noun reflecting ethnic/religious status) is as stupid as it gets.

Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.

Also, Jesus in the way he used it was not a singular noun, it is an interjection that uses the Lord's name in vain, which any religious person of catholic or christian belief (maybe other religions) would take offense to. Just because you dont find it offensive, doesnt mean others wont. Do you see what I am saying here?

No, because what you are saying is absolutely idiotic. The use of "Jesus" is in no way an indictment of an individuals religious or ethnic affiliation; sure, it might offend a devout Christian through its careless use, but it is in no way an epithet meant to slander one's standing as a Christian. And, although I hate to be the bearer of bad news, you are a card carrying anti-semite. How can you not see the problem in equating Jewishness with greed? It doesn't matter if your audience is Jewish or not. If you, by virtue of use, equate Jew with miser, you are a bigot, plain and simple.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
October 13 2012 17:52 GMT
#152
desrow in a fight over food xDxD

and everyone trying to ruin MoW,wassup with that

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TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
October 13 2012 17:53 GMT
#153
This just makes everyone look bad. Except MorroW. MorroW is a lovely man.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
nemonic
Profile Joined November 2011
132 Posts
October 13 2012 17:53 GMT
#154
Well I guess that's the nail in the coffin for MoW. No sane person will ever attend this house after he reads the reddit comments of former members (and the Fuzer drama).
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 17:55:30
October 13 2012 17:54 GMT
#155
On October 14 2012 02:51 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:38 farvacola wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.

We get it, you think anti-semitism is ok. Other people do not share your views, and will act accordingly. Comparing the use of Jesus (a singular noun referring to an individual) to the use of jew (a pejorative noun reflecting ethnic/religious status) is as stupid as it gets.

Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.

Also, Jesus in the way he used it was not a singular noun, it is an interjection that uses the Lord's name in vain, which any religious person of catholic or christian belief (maybe other religions) would take offense to. Just because you dont find it offensive, doesnt mean others wont. Do you see what I am saying here?

No, because what you are saying is absolutely idiotic. The use of "Jesus" is in no way an indictment of an individuals religious or ethnic affiliation; sure, it might offend a devout Christian through its careless use, but it is in no way an epithet meant to slander one's standing as a Christian. And, although I hate to be the bearer of bad news, you are a card carrying anti-semite. How can you not see the problem in equating Jewishness with greed? It doesn't matter if your audience is Jewish or not. If you, by virtue of use, equate Jew with miser, you are a bigot, plain and simple.

If I am dancing and somebody says, "jeez you are so white" I am not offended. What is the significance of the term white? It means I suck at dancing. This is what is known as a STEREOTYPE. Jew in this instance carries the same weight of offensiveness unless you hugely carry the term out of proportion. I am not an anti-semite, and the fact that you are calling me one is way more offensive than anything I have heard.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 13 2012 17:55 GMT
#156
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#157
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#158
On October 14 2012 02:54 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:51 farvacola wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:38 farvacola wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:15 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 01:32 IPA wrote:
Just reinforcing my dislike of desrow. "Jew" isn't a pejorative term. It's 2012, Jesus.

I am offended by your usage of the word Jesus. You should not use the Lord's name in vain!

In all seriousness, I dont think his usage was too horrible. If you are pissed off that you are not being given good food when you pay for it, and are denied that food when asking for it... you might use a similar word. Anybody that holds this against desrow is just a witch hunter.


Incorrect. I would not use a similar word because I'm not a bigot. The use of Jew as a pejorative is loaded with so much sorrow and violence as to be as unacceptable as the n-bomb.

You (and 80% of TL) use the term "witch hunt" any chance you get. I'm not sure what world you live in where calling someone a "jew" isn't a big deal. Thank god I'm not a part of it.

Your use of the word Jesus is loaded with sorrow and the pain of all of mankinds sins. Yet you were fine using that?

Yes, jew is an offensive term in the context used... but to be throwing so much hatred at desrow for using it in a fit of anger is outrageous. To claim that it is as unacceptable as the n-bomb... no.

We get it, you think anti-semitism is ok. Other people do not share your views, and will act accordingly. Comparing the use of Jesus (a singular noun referring to an individual) to the use of jew (a pejorative noun reflecting ethnic/religious status) is as stupid as it gets.

Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.

Also, Jesus in the way he used it was not a singular noun, it is an interjection that uses the Lord's name in vain, which any religious person of catholic or christian belief (maybe other religions) would take offense to. Just because you dont find it offensive, doesnt mean others wont. Do you see what I am saying here?

No, because what you are saying is absolutely idiotic. The use of "Jesus" is in no way an indictment of an individuals religious or ethnic affiliation; sure, it might offend a devout Christian through its careless use, but it is in no way an epithet meant to slander one's standing as a Christian. And, although I hate to be the bearer of bad news, you are a card carrying anti-semite. How can you not see the problem in equating Jewishness with greed? It doesn't matter if your audience is Jewish or not. If you, by virtue of use, equate Jew with miser, you are a bigot, plain and simple.

If I am dancing and somebody says, "jeez you are so white" I am not offended. What is the significance of the term white? It means I suck at dancing. This is what is known as a STEREOTYPE. Jew in this instance carries the same weight of offensiveness unless you hugely carry the term out of proportion. I am not an anti-semite, and the fact that you are calling me one is way more offensive than anything I have heard.


Cause being white has been such a hardship throughout history, amirite?

Wow this thread got derailed. Anyways, it should be closed because everything that needs to be said has been said. MorroW is a great guy, is my takeaway from all of this.
Hey! How you doin'?
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
October 13 2012 18:02 GMT
#159
I dont understand why some many from the united states are talking more about the use of the word jew then the actual matter at hand! hmmmm maybe there is some connection?!?!?
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:03:50
October 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#160
Two dudes argue with each other, and somehow this has to be discussed publicly again.
Really no idea why this is anyone's business.

The new drama threads popping up every day are just annyoing. Some people need to watch more soap operas and spare us their nonsense.
Off-season = best season
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
October 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#161
Oh hey, another thread on TL spiraling out of control because people don't understand operational definitions.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 13 2012 18:04 GMT
#162
Is this why they eat mcdonalds everday? 20 pc nuggets with bbq sauce T_T
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 18:06 GMT
#163
On October 14 2012 03:04 KimJongChill wrote:
Is this why they eat mcdonalds everday? 20 pc nuggets with bbq sauce T_T


Haha i like the guy sitting beside Destiny asking him everytime he eats something from MCdonalds (are you eating those?) and destiny goes (no u can have them) like everytime. Hehe <3
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
October 13 2012 18:08 GMT
#164
This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.
Team Liquid
Emporium
Profile Joined May 2012
England162 Posts
October 13 2012 18:08 GMT
#165
It is also the implied nature behind what was said, that decides the reaction you would have.

If it is said in a candid way to a friend, who you have known since childhood and inherently knows is not, then it isn't more than a errant comment meant to be funny or candidly.

If you say it to someone you don't know and have no history of the person, then yes it is a slur, because from its inherent nature, you cannot know if it will be insulting and so to say it anyway means by definition you mean to insult, and are hoping to cause a reaction from said slur.



Remember your mortality.
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
October 13 2012 18:11 GMT
#166
guys thats racist
IM THE SHIT BITCH
Emporium
Profile Joined May 2012
England162 Posts
October 13 2012 18:12 GMT
#167
I think the topic of the food is lesser of importance than the culture of the house that derives from it, would you want to live there, if the arguements that are supposedly currently happening, and then the reactions from everyone who isnt living there?

Its a shit storm, that just needs to be resolved behind closed doors and quickly rememdied, we don't need anymore crap getting into esports.
Remember your mortality.
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
October 13 2012 18:13 GMT
#168
I love how orb and destiny got hunted down, crucified and publicly humilitated because they said some harsh words to random persons over the internet and desrow spilling out antisemitic bullshit into another persons face is looked over as "childish". He is just a cute big boy who is hungry it seems. I assume the pitchfork guys are on weekend or something?
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
October 13 2012 18:14 GMT
#169
On October 14 2012 03:13 reapsen wrote:
I love how orb and destiny got hunted down, crucified and publicly humilitated because they said some harsh words to random persons over the internet and desrow spilling out antisemitic bullshit into another persons face is looked over as "childish". He is just a cute big boy who is hungry it seems. I assume the pitchfork guys are on weekend or something?


You wouldn't say this if you actually read this thread. This thread is more about Desrow saying "Jews" then about the food problem...
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Sumsi
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany593 Posts
October 13 2012 18:16 GMT
#170
On October 14 2012 02:44 AdamBanks wrote:
They should distribute food based on relative performance, i hear thats how they got july to win.

Great Idea!
Would help DesRow a lot with his diet plans and losing weight.
moin
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:28:48
October 13 2012 18:27 GMT
#171
On October 13 2012 23:04 Brombaer wrote:
Destiny just tweeted the lunch today in the MoW house https://twitter.com/Steven_Bonnell/status/257110826899607552


There are more bytes in the tweet than in the lunch.

Shocking again from MoW and their statement screams "We'll do what we want, you are paying *ahem* guests". Time for this venture to close down for good.

@Ret - paying for food means you shouldn't have to takeout and saying gamers eat exclusively crap isn't great.

@Desrow - calling people Jews isn't the smartest thing you could do whilst in Poland...
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:30:15
October 13 2012 18:28 GMT
#172
On October 14 2012 03:14 Yello wrote:
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On October 14 2012 03:13 reapsen wrote:
I love how orb and destiny got hunted down, crucified and publicly humilitated because they said some harsh words to random persons over the internet and desrow spilling out antisemitic bullshit into another persons face is looked over as "childish". He is just a cute big boy who is hungry it seems. I assume the pitchfork guys are on weekend or something?


You wouldn't say this if you actually read this thread. This thread is more about Desrow saying "Jews" then about the food problem...


You are correct sir, i only read through the reddit replys. That's even more mindboggleing that this discussion is not going on over there, but here.

The food problem at hand is in my opinion not really discussion-worthy, because it only can be discussed by two parties
- the owners/staff/management and the inhabitants. I don't see any reasonable contribution a community discussion can make here. Inhabitants should demand more food or move out, or order pizza and cut the pizza costs from the rent.

I also don't really want to judge desrows choice of words, i am just fascinated by that (disgusting) pitchfork-phenomenon and why it wasn't triggered on desrow (yet).

Edit: @Xorphene the destiny tweet was ironic, the picture was taken from this Cooking-Blog.
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
October 13 2012 18:39 GMT
#173
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
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On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 13 2012 18:41 GMT
#174
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
nemonic
Profile Joined November 2011
132 Posts
October 13 2012 18:43 GMT
#175
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
October 13 2012 18:44 GMT
#176
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


There are other people here arguing that it can't be racist if it's a stereotype.
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
October 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#177
I'm really confused in the way MoW helps progamers get better .. By taking a monthly fee and giving them an internet connection and a sandwitch?
Oh man, I'll start this training right away, on my way to make a sandwitch !
Less e$ports, more fun
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
October 13 2012 18:47 GMT
#178
On October 14 2012 03:45 Leru wrote:
I'm really confused in the way MoW helps progamers get better .. By taking a monthly fee and giving them an internet connection and a sandwitch?
Oh man, I'll start this training right away, on my way to make a sandwitch !


You can't make your own sandwich, that messes up the entire program.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:48:43
October 13 2012 18:47 GMT
#179
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
Refer to my post.
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:55:11
October 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#180
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


Haha, you corrected from Jewism to Judaism, but now it doesn't relate to the other posts :D

Edit : Desrow might be the real life Cartman, come to think about it
Less e$ports, more fun
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
October 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#181
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 18:54 GMT
#182
On October 14 2012 03:08 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.


Well said jos. But sometimes you have to agree that certain subjects needs to be discussed in a "well-manner" to make things better. Like if someone never speaks up or say anything about the issues people are feeling.. then nothing is ever going to change but yeah ur right it really is unnecessary for this to carry on. Guys just let the players that lives in the house talk with the head master of MoW and work this out.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 13 2012 18:57 GMT
#183
On October 14 2012 03:53 Leru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


Haha, you corrected from Jewism to Judaism, but now it doesn't relate to the other posts :D

Edit : Desrow might be the real life Cartman, come to think about it

Hey man, I don;t know anything about it, I googled my incorrect spelling, and Judaism came up, lol
Refer to my post.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:58:45
October 13 2012 18:57 GMT
#184
Why are people so obsessed with a single word Desrow said instead of the issue at hand? Our community loves drama like this.

Can't we put our focus on MoW.. and not a single word?
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 18:59:14
October 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#185
These are a couple of posts on the reddit thread by players who had lived there before, to shift the focus back:

Noticimus:
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The way we were treated at ministry of win was pretty lack luster from the managers side, when I was staying in the house they had parties and neglected those who actually were there to improve. After snute and cytoplasm left they probably decided the players that were there wasnt important enough to care about, I remember going out to McDonalds almost every night just because i was so hungry due to the small amount of food we got served. The boss (maciej or something like that) is kinda a douche, he doesnt really care about the players or creating a good image for esports in general, hes all about the money and has proved that countless of times. I had to leave after a two week period due to the low quality of living standards that they had there(or maybe im just picky) but i had to get out. As to those who live there right now, i feel bad for you guys, you definately deserve a better place to be, the house would be so much better if they replace the boss, this is not an option though since you cant really kick him from the house as he is the one running the place. Im just really glad i have nothing to do with the place anymore ^ -Noticimus Edit! He woke us up a few times in the middle of the night when he came back from drinking or parties or something, yelling something in polish. (he was drunk) Edit #2 After one of the parties they actually asked the players if they could borrow money to fund electricity bill for a month, they probably used their budget on sausages and alcohol(there was a lot of alcohol)



KarmYi:
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I wasn't going to post anything negative, but "boss" is getting a bit ridiculous. In the previous thread that Fuzer made I went in trying to answer peoples questions and think with a level head about the situation. I never actually posted anything about my experience at the house.

To start things off I'd like to go back a bit. I was one of the first players accepted to participate in the MoW house back in January. I was told that we would have contracts signed and we would be able to book our flights for March 4th - 5th. They seemed very convinced they would be ready for us to do so, so I put in my 2 weeks at work and prepared for the move. Before I booked my ticket I messaged "boss" again to confirm and he had told me that there were problems with the house and they were backing it up 2 weeks. With such indesicion I didn't want to get myself another job and just quit again in 2 weeks. These "delays" happened for 3 more months.. We didn't officially move in until May 19th. I had to live that entire time on the savings that I was putting away for MoW. They couldn't actually tell anyone the truth, They kept making up silly lies.. They even told us that Grubby was going to be living with us to keep our interest, I asked Grubby himself and he said they hadn't even talked to him about it.

Moving forward, I've moved into the house and I get myself settled in.

From the very beginning it was a cluster fuck. I arrived without a computer set up, They didn't have SC2 loaded on any new machine, None were set up in English, The computers we were promised were "delayed" (I'll talk about this more later on) so they had to rent all the computers. They couldn't run SC2 on ultra like we were promised, If we streamed at all we would have to run everything as low as possible with terrible lag. They still expected us to get our minimum streaming hours during this time as well. The internet had very bad connection problems, It seemed to always go down right before EU playhem would start, Sometimes forcing everyone in the house to forfeit or being very late and frustrated going into their first games. So to sum things up, Our equipment wasn't anything close to what we were promised prior to moving in.

The food issue has been known, and talked about since before I even moved into the house. We constantly tried to come up with solutions to the problem, Which of course all required uping the budget per player which they didn't seem to want to do. At times, Players would barely eat if they were late to dinner. If they started a game when dinner was served, If the plates weren't already set (they sometimes set up a small buffet) they wouldn't get into the dinning room in time and there wouldn't be much left. We lived off bread and cereal.. For how much we were paying to live there per month every player shouldn't have to worry about EVER being hungry, Which it seemed we always were. Going to bed hungry suuucckkkeeedd..

Boss himself is money hungry, Everything they do was about money and not giving a fuck about the players. When I had to leave I was only 15 days in, My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer with a slim chance to make it past treatments. I had to leave to be with him. Before I left I was told I had to pay 1250 PLN, Half of the 2500 monthly fee since I was only there half a month. I agreed with this and told them I would get the bank info when I landed and send it in the morning. When I got home and got onto skype, they told me that I actually owed them 2500 PLN and I had to pay it in full because I already signed the contract. I told them that was bullshit and I'll give them the 1250 PLN and that's it. They simply wouldn't accept it. I deleted them off skype and haven't heard from them until today. They're now trying to charge me and additional 1500 PLN ontop of the 2500 PLN because I did not pay. I once again told him that I wouldn't be paying more than 1250 PLN and if they continue to try and bully it out of me they won't be getting anything.

I got a little off track, but I'm not done! =P

Back to the computers real quick. We were told that the polish company shipping them made a mistake and that is the reason they're taking so long, when in fact the maid had let us know that wasn't the case. Boss had forgotten to send the proper paperwork to the investor to get the computers paid for, Which resulted in the computers being 46 days late.. They entire time we were expected to play on computers that would randomly restart, The sound would randomly cut out requiring a restart, We couldn't stream and practice properly but were required to meet a monthly quota. Once during lunch Cyto made a comment about the computers taking so long was a joke and boss threatened to kick him out of the house and anyone else who had a problem with it could leave as well.

Sorry for the bad grammar and randomness of my paragraphs, It's late and I haven't slept much but wanted to get it out before I went to bed. Boss is a money hungry douchebag that shouldn't be in charge of such a project. He's such an asshole his partner (who was level headed, and actually cared about making sure the players were taken cared of ) couldn't stand him and left.

Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 13 2012 18:59 GMT
#186
MoW is just full of fucktitude. I honestly can't see it lasting much longer with so much shit.
The universe created an audience for itself.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1597 Posts
October 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#187
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
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On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
October 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#188
"Jew is a funny word because it's the only word that is the polite thing to call a group of people, and the slur for the same group! Most groups have a good and a bad... theirs is the same word, just with a little stank on it, and it becomes a terrible thing to call a person."

And people calling "Jew" a racist slur (with that stank), ethnicity != race.
Skype: divito7
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
October 13 2012 19:04 GMT
#189
In the end , it's the player's choice; it's good that information like this pops up so the next people that want to go there might think twice about it . They should insist that they detail all the details concerning their meals and other issues in their contract, and problems such as this one shouldn't really appear ( I think ) .
I'm just curious when players like Titan or Morrow ( one of the most hard working ones there) will leave the house , will they say they improved by staying there .. if not, then it's probably not worth it .
Less e$ports, more fun
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
October 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#190
Wtf with the pejorative "jews"? Disappointed in desrow and can't say about MoW because I don't have enough data, but decent meals(healthy) should be a priority, specially for gamers who spend most of the day on a chair.

PS: Morrow is a boss.

On October 13 2012 22:01 pallad wrote:
More drama incomming , but who cares..?
In house full of dudes , there will be always fights its nature , you cant be liked by everyone , and like everyone , life


No it's not. We're not savages, we're civilised human beings.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 19:15:40
October 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#191
Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.

On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...

He also said there is no authoritative strictness like in a Korean house - isn't this one of the MAIN reasons, along with good food, why Korean houses are so successful?
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
October 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#192
Those descriptions of the house are pretty funny, though likely biased. Ret was just saying LIVE at ASUS ROG tournament it was fine for him.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 19:22:43
October 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#193
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..

You are wrong here. There are plenty of irreligious Jews, and why is Judaism so concerned with geneology?

Learn something new every day!

Edit: orthodox.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
October 13 2012 19:16 GMT
#194
On October 14 2012 04:13 Xorphene wrote:
Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.

On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...


Ret went 0-3, but he lost 1-2 to each opponent. He had an opportunity to win in each series, but just came up a little short. It's not as if he got smashed 0-2 every series. He was just stating that he felt the food situation could have used some improvement, but overall he had a decent time spent at MoW.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
October 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#195
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 19:29:09
October 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#196
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#197
On October 14 2012 04:16 Majynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:13 Xorphene wrote:
Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.

On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...


Ret went 0-3, but he lost 1-2 to each opponent. He had an opportunity to win in each series, but just came up a little short. It's not as if he got smashed 0-2 every series. He was just stating that he felt the food situation could have used some improvement, but overall he had a decent time spent at MoW.

Watching those games ret did play well his wins were very well played and while he may need some work with getting caught with his pants down like he was against lucifron and thorzain he was far from bad. His loss the nightend was so much more nightend playing like a beast than his mistakes.
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Ronski
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland266 Posts
October 13 2012 19:23 GMT
#198
Where are the reddit campaigns with sponsor links when needed?

Also on a more serious note, why on earth are people still staying in the house?


I am a tank. I am covered head to toe in solid plate mail. I carry a block of metal the size of a 4 door sedan to hide behind. If you see me running - you should too.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1597 Posts
October 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#199
On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


I am a descendant or America. Is my race American? My family cam from Ireland. Is Irish a race? No to both of those questions. You're either a Caucasian or Negroid as far a race at least in the most likely based on demographics of those who consider themselves Jews. Being a Jew is not a race.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#200
lol this guy....
'do you want to say something to me or cry on skype like desrow' man this place seems like the most professional place ever
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 13 2012 19:47 GMT
#201
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 13 2012 19:56 GMT
#202
srsly i cant hear shit with this background sound? O_O
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
October 13 2012 20:00 GMT
#203
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."
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Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
October 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#204
Sounds like a terrible organisation. How the hell can you can practice if it is so tense there? I would move to a more relaxed environment.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#205
Do we know who recorded this? How many zerg's are in the house? lol
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 13 2012 20:03 GMT
#206
On October 14 2012 05:01 Uni1987 wrote:
Sounds like a terrible organisation. How the hell can you can practice if it is so tense there? I would move to a more relaxed environment.


It seems like a rather relaxed environment usually. Check the streams of Morrow, Destiny and Desrow for some insight. I think Ret probably has it right that the food problem is the one big problem in the house, and it's a very sensitive subject for Desrow who's trying to lose weight so it kinda boiled into this I guess.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
October 13 2012 20:05 GMT
#207
On October 14 2012 04:37 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


I am a descendant or America. Is my race American? My family cam from Ireland. Is Irish a race? No to both of those questions. You're either a Caucasian or Negroid as far a race at least in the most likely based on demographics of those who consider themselves Jews. Being a Jew is not a race.


Misspoke when I said race but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I mean. Ethnic group would be a bit more appropriate.
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elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 13 2012 20:09 GMT
#208
Food is really important, cut down on something else, (no im not fat)

They pay for the staying, the least they can do is provide food
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
October 13 2012 20:11 GMT
#209
On October 14 2012 05:01 GreEny K wrote:
Do we know who recorded this? How many zerg's are in the house? lol


I'm pretty sure it was Destiny. It happened when I was watching his stream (lucky me, that does not happen often at all lol) and everything sounded just like that (Destiny's keyboard smashing, desrow raging from a distance, zerg noises, Morrow voice was just as weak and etc).
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9362 Posts
October 13 2012 20:13 GMT
#210
On October 14 2012 03:08 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.


What a terrible argument. So if one wants to not be fat, he has to pay him self?

It should be the opposite way: Give great good to players so they can concetrate better.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 13 2012 20:15 GMT
#211
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
[quote]
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
October 13 2012 20:23 GMT
#212
this thread shoulda been called MOw house MOw problems biggie style
InDesconrowl
Profile Joined April 2012
Togo311 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:41:55
October 13 2012 20:30 GMT
#213
Desrow going full retard over food? Not surprised.

Desrow needs to apologize for his "Jews" comment. He used it in a derogatory way.

It is players like this that make eSports seem like a joke.
:tg: Ginyu Force :tg:
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 13 2012 20:37 GMT
#214
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

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Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7


On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

A Turk in Germany is not a German. This is a matter of genetics, not paperwork.
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
October 13 2012 20:39 GMT
#215
I don't understand how Desrow even with experience of traveling around the world and interacting with people, living on his own etc... still acts like he lives in his parents basement. "Jews" remark IMO isn't something that has some evil intentions, it just show how immature he is. He's just talking trash, almost all the time he speaks. Probably compensating something, or whatever. It's obvious the food is questionable but come on, give them some time i don't think warm meal is such a unsolvable thing, if guys running the MoW have brains they will solve that issue, give them a little time and a decent constructional feedback.
Also guys running the MoW, don't play dumb, now you absolutely know that your warm meal isn't warm and it's baaaaad. You are not disgracing yourself, you disgrace Poland, it looks like you don't even know what food is in Poland. In my country you probably couldn't continue practicing because just how much good food they put in front off you as a sign of hospitality and good intentions, what the fuck are you doing? Yes, i have seen the dead meat balls Destiny twitted about, ^_^.
Reality hits you hard bro.
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
October 13 2012 20:41 GMT
#216
This got me thinking. What exactly does MoW offer? From what i could gather, they don't have great coaches, no training program, no practice schedule or system, no good nutrition, they have a gym but i haven't heard about a trainer or anyone actually helping the players get in shape. What DO they have? On what basis do they call themselves a training facility if regular smart people like TLO can build better training environment for themselves just on their own?
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 13 2012 20:41 GMT
#217
Stop talking about jews and whether its a race or not holy fucking shit. Its literally a null-point especially in this thread
Useless wet fish.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 13 2012 20:44 GMT
#218
GOOD LORD

Stop talking about using Jew as an insult, it's irrelevant.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 20:46 GMT
#219
On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
[quote]

If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
Show nested quote +
Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

Show nested quote +
In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.


You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't want to get off topic but it seriously kills me inside every time I see someone on TL trying to make these completely uninformed arguments. Go learn a few things about genetics and then form an educated opinion. There are genetic diseases associated ONLY with certain lineages of Jewry - meaning they are a distinct race.

On topic - I've become a huge MorroW fan, lost a lot of respect for Desrow and my opinion of MoW hasn't changed. I never bought into their apology about the Fuzer incident in the first place..
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
October 13 2012 20:46 GMT
#220
lol this manager is so insecure
all he talks about is 'im not a child' , 'if desrow is acted like a child, what is wrong with me replying in the same way?'

morrow is just like

'.........'
'(ur an idiot), i mean.... u are the supposed professional, therefore u should act professional regardless if anyone is acting like a child'

is this really how people operate?
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
October 13 2012 20:47 GMT
#221
On October 14 2012 02:32 Wicek wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DwKPN8NhzQM#t=701s

This is Maciej Krupowies, doing presentation about MoW. All is good, but this really put me off. Will do my best to translate:

"Why wont anyone else will repeat something like us? For one, we are trying to get a patent and enforce the prohibition of the use of certain names in the EU - namely a "training facility for video gamers". we want to be the only ones. we are also pioneers, and as i said there are other things like costs being higher inother countries."

I wonder how does that help esports. I'd love, if in some other country there would be a similar project to MoW. Hopefully they will not succed with their plans to ban that stuff.


I don't know anything about patent legislation in EU or anything, but as a layman can't see how that possibly could go through?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
InDesconrowl
Profile Joined April 2012
Togo311 Posts
October 13 2012 20:50 GMT
#222
On October 14 2012 05:13 Hider wrote:
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On October 14 2012 03:08 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.


What a terrible argument. So if one wants to not be fat, he has to pay him self?

It should be the opposite way: Give great good to players so they can concetrate better.


If one wants to not be fat, all one has to do is eat less.
:tg: Ginyu Force :tg:
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
October 13 2012 20:57 GMT
#223
On October 14 2012 04:06 Alpino wrote:
Wtf with the pejorative "jews"? Disappointed in desrow and can't say about MoW because I don't have enough data, but decent meals(healthy) should be a priority, specially for gamers who spend most of the day on a chair.

PS: Morrow is a boss.

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:01 pallad wrote:
More drama incomming , but who cares..?
In house full of dudes , there will be always fights its nature , you cant be liked by everyone , and like everyone , life


No it's not. We're not savages, we're civilised human beings.


Agree, you don't have to like the guy next to you but you can at least make it manageable.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
October 13 2012 21:01 GMT
#224
can someone tell me who is talking at wat times? I found it abit confusing with a bad audio O_O
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
October 13 2012 21:01 GMT
#225
On October 14 2012 05:46 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
[quote]
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
[quote]
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.


You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't want to get off topic but it seriously kills me inside every time I see someone on TL trying to make these completely uninformed arguments. Go learn a few things about genetics and then form an educated opinion. There are genetic diseases associated ONLY with certain lineages of Jewry - meaning they are a distinct race.

On topic - I've become a huge MorroW fan, lost a lot of respect for Desrow and my opinion of MoW hasn't changed. I never bought into their apology about the Fuzer incident in the first place..


when did any1 gain respect for Desrow? I have followed scene since BW and sc2beta... when did this guy ever do anything to gain respect or fans?
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 21:04 GMT
#226
On October 14 2012 06:01 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
[quote]

I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
[quote]

If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.


You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't want to get off topic but it seriously kills me inside every time I see someone on TL trying to make these completely uninformed arguments. Go learn a few things about genetics and then form an educated opinion. There are genetic diseases associated ONLY with certain lineages of Jewry - meaning they are a distinct race.

On topic - I've become a huge MorroW fan, lost a lot of respect for Desrow and my opinion of MoW hasn't changed. I never bought into their apology about the Fuzer incident in the first place..


when did any1 gain respect for Desrow? I have followed scene since BW and sc2beta... when did this guy ever do anything to gain respect or fans?


Well I never had a reason to dislike him and fat people are usually jolly so I just assumed he was a nice guy. I had a baseline level of respect for him. I've never watched his stream or seen him in a tournament though.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 13 2012 21:38 GMT
#227
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
October 13 2012 21:44 GMT
#228
Wow, Desrow gets mad over Lastshadow ripping on him for being fat, yet he starts in with the "fucking jew" material.

Suck it Desrow, you hypocritical bigot.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
October 13 2012 21:46 GMT
#229
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
October 13 2012 21:52 GMT
#230
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 21:57:43
October 13 2012 21:55 GMT
#231
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:04:32
October 13 2012 22:02 GMT
#232
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
October 13 2012 22:09 GMT
#233
MoW isn't professional at all...That's painful to hear...
I knew it since the first time i heard of it...its just fishy as hell.

RIP MKP
InDesconrowl
Profile Joined April 2012
Togo311 Posts
October 13 2012 22:11 GMT
#234
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


RabidDeer is a destiny fanboy. They defend anyone for any hate speech.
:tg: Ginyu Force :tg:
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#235
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
October 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#236
Who gives a fuck if he called someone a jew? That's not the point. He was pissed and was just saying the first insult that came to mind. Everyone does that when they are super angry.

Talk about the god damn topic for fucks sake. Jesus Christ, TL is starting to become Reddit.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
October 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#237
here we go again
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
October 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#238
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


People like you are playing the semantics game at every freaking turn. Either way you play the horn, what DesRow said was offensive, and thats all people are saying.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
October 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#239
esport Drama ?

MoW Delivers!!

..
T H C makes ppl happy
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
October 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#240
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Sorry how is a religion a race? Id love to hear it
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#241
On October 14 2012 07:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Who gives a fuck if he called someone a jew? That's not the point. He was pissed and was just saying the first insult that came to mind. Everyone does that when they are super angry.

Talk about the god damn topic for fucks sake. Jesus Christ, TL is starting to become Reddit.


I think the fact that Jew is just assumed to be an insult is the racist part... Jesus fucking christ. Yea when I'm pissed I just go off calling people niggers. It's ok though, I was just mad..
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
October 13 2012 22:21 GMT
#242
lmao the relaxing music with the yelling is wierd
wcr.4fun
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium686 Posts
October 13 2012 22:22 GMT
#243
glad to see some other people get it (glurkenspurk).

stop getting your fucking panties in a bunch for someone using the word jew. god damn it I hate hypocrites so much. You going to tell me you've never used a swear word in your life? Go lie to someone else.

Now focus on the real issue which is the fact they're not getting decent food apparently after MoW stated they were going to take care of the issue.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 22:22 GMT
#244
On October 14 2012 07:19 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Sorry how is a religion a race? Id love to hear it


There are certain genetic diseases only associated with certain lineages of Jewry. If you had any knowledge of genetics, you'd realize that constitutes a genotype distinction that can categorize a race. Seriously, this is like the third time I've had to make this cursory explanation in this thread. It's high school genetics, not fucking hard.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
October 13 2012 22:23 GMT
#245
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:25:31
October 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#246
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?


The fact that people can convert doesn't include them in the ethnicity. You are a poor example of a graduate student. Sorry. These are concepts of genetics you should have learned much earlier than grad school..
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
October 13 2012 22:26 GMT
#247
On October 14 2012 07:19 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Sorry how is a religion a race? Id love to hear it


Jewish is the ethnicity and Judaism is the religion.

Kind of like how Arabs don't necessarily practice Islam. Just because it can be easily construed as an ethnoreligion, doesn't mean everyone who is that ethnicity practices the religion.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
October 13 2012 22:26 GMT
#248
On October 14 2012 07:24 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?


The fact that people can convert doesn't include them in the ethnicity. You are a poor example of a graduate student. Sorry.


And you're a poor example of a poster in general, because you're espousing a viewpoint that has NO EVIDENCE. Bring me evidence that the qualities of being Jewish meets the definition of a race, and then we'll talk (you can't).
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
October 13 2012 22:27 GMT
#249
Oh no these people need to be professional and hold back these outbursts! =]
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
October 13 2012 22:30 GMT
#250
On October 14 2012 07:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Oh no these people need to be professional and hold back these outbursts! =]



haha this put a smile on my face . realising all the shit you got for getting angry and now every1 prizing desrow for getting angry
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 13 2012 22:31 GMT
#251
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

Show nested quote +
A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7

Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
October 13 2012 22:34 GMT
#252
On October 14 2012 07:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Oh no these people need to be professional and hold back these outbursts! =]


LOL best post in the thread. These threads get so out of hand and off topic all the time. It feels like people just argue for the sake of arguing not to actually try to make any valid points.
Herp Derp
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:36:07
October 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#253
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



No study however has yet assessed how accurately self-identified (Ashkenazi) Jewish ancestry can be inferred from genomic information, nor whether the degree of Jewish ancestry can be inferred among individuals with fewer than four Jewish grandparents.

Edit: Also I highly doubt a nobel prize winning geneticist is posting on TL.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#254
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:49:12
October 13 2012 22:36 GMT
#255
This is ridiculous

Let the players in mow sort this themselves, I'm sure they can manage.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:41:15
October 13 2012 22:39 GMT
#256
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.

Edit: I also love how you speak to other posters as if this is common "high-school" knowledge, when nothing has been proved conclusively about your definition of jews as a race from what you've posted.
burbon
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland41 Posts
October 13 2012 22:40 GMT
#257
Maybe this huge fat pig will lose some kilograms, he is there for free and he is calling people jews. Racist fat sow. If he dont like place he should leave, since he is there for free. I hate fatasses who are racist. I hope he will starve there.

User was temp banned for this post.
TargA
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway204 Posts
October 13 2012 22:40 GMT
#258
lets kill him
ProgamerOn October 26 2013 00:10 Nerchio wrote: Shoutout to Targa, best zerg in europe || http://twitter.com/#!/TargA01
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
October 13 2012 22:41 GMT
#259
On October 14 2012 07:22 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:19 skatblast wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Sorry how is a religion a race? Id love to hear it


There are certain genetic diseases only associated with certain lineages of Jewry. If you had any knowledge of genetics, you'd realize that constitutes a genotype distinction that can categorize a race. Seriously, this is like the third time I've had to make this cursory explanation in this thread. It's high school genetics, not fucking hard.


Race can be defined in various ways, you seem to be referring to it in relation to a geographical phenotype which is a somewhat valid definition if not debatable..
I wrote a song once.
Occultus
Profile Joined July 2011
Kenya138 Posts
October 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#260
Lets email his sponsors.
"The greatest pleasure in life, is doing the things people say we cannot do."
wcr.4fun
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:44:17
October 13 2012 22:43 GMT
#261
here we go:

"As anthropologists and other evolutionary scientists have shifted away from the language of race to the term population to talk about genetic differences, historians, cultural anthropologists and other social scientists re-conceptualized the term "race" as a cultural category or social construct—a particular way that some people talk about themselves and others."

(wikipedia lol)

Now stop talking about jews being a race since it's clearly becoming outdated and scientists prefer populations.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:47:35
October 13 2012 22:46 GMT
#262
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
[quote]

This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
October 13 2012 22:50 GMT
#263
On October 14 2012 07:40 TargA wrote:
lets kill him


I know right and all these people being grammar jews them too.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:52:57
October 13 2012 22:51 GMT
#264
On October 14 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
[quote]

This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
[quote]

You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.


Quoting ONE study that doesn't prove your point conclusively and telling everyone who doesn't think it does doesn't understand "high school genetics"? That sounds more like grasping at straws to me.

Edit: Since you're the one arguing that jews are a race, YOU have the burden of proof to show that they are, and you haven't, so nobody should take what you posted as evidence that they are at this point.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
October 13 2012 22:55 GMT
#265
"You guys are being jews" :D gotta love that
FoTG fighting!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 22:58:05
October 13 2012 22:57 GMT
#266
On October 14 2012 07:51 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:46 TeslasPigeon wrote:
[quote]

You get use to it, this place is no different compared to reddit in regards to racism and general misogyny.


Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
[quote]

Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.


Quoting ONE study that doesn't prove your point conclusively and telling everyone who doesn't think it does doesn't understand "high school genetics"? That sounds more like grasping at straws to me.

Edit: Since you're the one arguing that jews are a race, YOU have the burden of proof to show that they are, and you haven't, so nobody should take what you posted as evidence that they are at this point.

You are ridiculous. I don't believe for a second that you are actually a graduate student of any sorts. The evidence has been posted and I really couldn't give two shits if you believe it or not. Why should I waste my time scouring the internet to remedy your ignorance? I can barely decipher your post...
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
October 13 2012 22:59 GMT
#267
On October 14 2012 07:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:51 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 06:52 whatwhatanut wrote:
[quote]

Jew is not a racial slur. It's an ethnic term. Also it is a contextual term. Clearly Desrow was being offensive but to call him racist for using a phrase many people use on a daily basis out of anger is just terribly incorrect.


Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

On October 14 2012 06:55 SupLilSon wrote:
[quote]

I think TL is worse than Reddit in terms of racism lol. DesRow was essentially implying that Jews are greedy and that trying to save money at the expense of the players is something a Jew would do. On what level is that not racist?


It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.


Quoting ONE study that doesn't prove your point conclusively and telling everyone who doesn't think it does doesn't understand "high school genetics"? That sounds more like grasping at straws to me.

Edit: Since you're the one arguing that jews are a race, YOU have the burden of proof to show that they are, and you haven't, so nobody should take what you posted as evidence that they are at this point.

You are ridiculous. I don't believe for a second that you are actually a graduate student of any sorts. The evidence has been posted and I really couldn't give two shits if you believe it or not. Why should I waste my time scouring the internet to remedy your ignorance? I can barely decipher your post...


The fact that you couldn't even figure out that being in a graduate level course does not correlate to being a graduate student speaks volumes.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 23:01 GMT
#268
On October 14 2012 07:59 BlueLanterna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:51 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:02 BlueLanterna wrote:
[quote]

Kinda sad that the people you choose to associate with use someone's religion as a way to stereotype them negatively.

edit: Or that you're under the extremely wrong impression from...I don't know where...that people use the term "jew" a lot to describe greedy people.

[quote]

It's not racist because "jews" are not a race, I can't believe this is a difficult definition to apply for some people.


It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.


Quoting ONE study that doesn't prove your point conclusively and telling everyone who doesn't think it does doesn't understand "high school genetics"? That sounds more like grasping at straws to me.

Edit: Since you're the one arguing that jews are a race, YOU have the burden of proof to show that they are, and you haven't, so nobody should take what you posted as evidence that they are at this point.

You are ridiculous. I don't believe for a second that you are actually a graduate student of any sorts. The evidence has been posted and I really couldn't give two shits if you believe it or not. Why should I waste my time scouring the internet to remedy your ignorance? I can barely decipher your post...


The fact that you couldn't even figure out that being in a graduate level course does not correlate to being a graduate student speaks volumes.


The fact that this is your rebuttal, a product of your own inability to form coherent arguments, speaks larger volumes... I'm done with you. Have a nice one.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
October 13 2012 23:03 GMT
#269
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
October 13 2012 23:06 GMT
#270
On October 14 2012 08:01 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 07:59 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:51 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:39 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:35 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:31 Portlandian wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:23 BlueLanterna wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:
[quote]

It is actually a race. I can't believe people are still spouting this BS despite having no knowledge of genetics or how race is categorized. TL is truly worse than Reddit in terms of ignorance towards racism.


Speaking as a university student in a graduate level course in genetics, Jews are not a race. Sorry to dispel your ridiculous theory about my apparent ignorance.

So black Jews and Chinese Jews are the same race? XFD Sorry dude, did you not think this one through?

Speaking as a published, widely cited, and Nobel prize winning geneticist, Jews are most certainly a race. Refer to my previous post in this thread:

On October 14 2012 05:37 Portlandian wrote:
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

[image loading]

Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7



Thank you, I was looking for that. There's also the abnormally high incidence of Tay-Sachs disease in certain Jewish populations which shows that they have a unique genotype. Blue Lanterna, you may want to reconsider getting your Genetics grad degree at community college...


You may want to reconsider looking up the definition of race, because it's obvious you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to figure out that you cannot "convert" to a race, and any studies that are being quoted are of an ethnic group, not of all Jews.


You have been proven wrong multiple times in this thread and you're still grasping at straws and semantics. Look up the definition of race and you'll see that it's a very loose one. It can include ethnics distinctions, genetic distinctions, cultural distinctions, etc. W/e the case, I don't buy into people trying to justify bigotry and discrimination.


Quoting ONE study that doesn't prove your point conclusively and telling everyone who doesn't think it does doesn't understand "high school genetics"? That sounds more like grasping at straws to me.

Edit: Since you're the one arguing that jews are a race, YOU have the burden of proof to show that they are, and you haven't, so nobody should take what you posted as evidence that they are at this point.

You are ridiculous. I don't believe for a second that you are actually a graduate student of any sorts. The evidence has been posted and I really couldn't give two shits if you believe it or not. Why should I waste my time scouring the internet to remedy your ignorance? I can barely decipher your post...


The fact that you couldn't even figure out that being in a graduate level course does not correlate to being a graduate student speaks volumes.


The fact that this is your rebuttal, a product of your own inability to form coherent arguments, speaks larger volumes... I'm done with you. Have a nice one.


If I wanted to have what, in your mind, is a coherent argument with you, I would post a singular study showing inconclusive results when compared to the point I was making and act like it had been proven.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
October 13 2012 23:07 GMT
#271
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger

Not a huge deal, imo, just poor taste. I'm sure you didn't know you were being recorded. Better to just make a habit of weeding that out of your vocabulary used in that manner to avoid crap like this, right?
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
October 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#272
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger



your not the 1st one to make a mistake while in a state of anger, if anyone here has NEVER misspoke in a heated situation, then your all angels.
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
October 13 2012 23:17 GMT
#273
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 23:20:13
October 13 2012 23:19 GMT
#274
]
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.



wow your cool, lets judge someone who insulted people by insulting them
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 23:22:56
October 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#275
I have no experience with jewish people but it seems that most people say they are greedy, so what ? I saw the same retarded thing about black people, being racist by simply saying that blacks have unfair advantages in some sports. Most stereotypes, even tho they are dumb, they apply in a general sense.

Every different man comes with his different predispositions to different traits...What's the big deal in pointing that out ....It's not like these folks are talking about purity of race or being good or better to be this or that rather than the other.

PS: I'm totally against racism, but what he have today is rather than actually a sense of coming together regardless of race or color ( and by the way my best friend was black, he died sadly in a car accident 1 year ago )a sense of cultural pressure to try not to offend other people's cultural values. Most of these PC guys are either very stupid or secretly huge racists ( unless they work for a company with a retarded policy ... which is necessary sadly ).

Edit: Narjila gratz on that compassionate message, forgot you're supposed to fight racism with hatred. Let's kill the racists!!!!!!!!!!
Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
October 13 2012 23:22 GMT
#276
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger

Tell 'em to pound sand, Desrow! That guy is being a jew!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
October 13 2012 23:23 GMT
#277
Why does everyone crying racism or saying something racist always need to mention they have a black friend...
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
S2Glow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Singapore1042 Posts
October 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#278
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.


fucking stupid guy. just shut the hell up. The world will be better
<3 Katelyn , C Zerg. Dying wish is to watch proleague live and see my girlfriend which gonna be soon! <33
Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
October 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#279
SOMEBODY FEED THAT MAN.
YourBestFriend
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada92 Posts
October 13 2012 23:40 GMT
#280
just making moar drama.. leave the house and end it.. end of story
Sc2 And Dota 2 All Day
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
October 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#281
MoW acted very poorly in this situation. However both players and management with the exception of Morrow have been poor in their communication with one another.
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
October 13 2012 23:48 GMT
#282
On October 14 2012 08:32 S2Glow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.


fucking stupid guy. just shut the hell up. The world will be better


The world would be better if idiots like you didn't support closet racists like desrow.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
October 13 2012 23:51 GMT
#283
On October 14 2012 07:19 SupLilSon wrote:
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On October 14 2012 07:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Who gives a fuck if he called someone a jew? That's not the point. He was pissed and was just saying the first insult that came to mind. Everyone does that when they are super angry.

Talk about the god damn topic for fucks sake. Jesus Christ, TL is starting to become Reddit.


I think the fact that Jew is just assumed to be an insult is the racist part... Jesus fucking christ. Yea when I'm pissed I just go off calling people niggers. It's ok though, I was just mad..



Umm what? nigger is a derogatory term. Jew is definitely not

User was warned for this post
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
October 13 2012 23:58 GMT
#284
Yea, this boss or whatever this guy from MoW is called needs to get off the money train. When you have player after player after player telling similar stories about this place I think there is something wrong.

On a side note, the more I read the title, the more I want to say, More Money, More Problems.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
October 14 2012 00:14 GMT
#285
On October 14 2012 08:48 NarAliya wrote:
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On October 14 2012 08:32 S2Glow wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.


fucking stupid guy. just shut the hell up. The world will be better


The world would be better if idiots like you didn't support closet racists like desrow.


Desrow been gaming non-stop for months and been eating crap for weeks. He angry, and when you are angry you voice out your frustration and anger with words that first come to your mind. Hell, if I was him, I would probably be saying much more vulgar stuff.

There is no need to get so angry about such trivial thing.

I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:19:16
October 14 2012 00:17 GMT
#286
On October 14 2012 02:02 Zocat wrote:
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On October 14 2012 01:56 Tao367 wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:51 Phemtos wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:45 valaki wrote:
inb4 someone picks on Desrow because he said Jews as an analogy of being greedy

Funny hearing desrow say that after the shit he pulled on maximusblack, either way the MoW "boss" is in the wrong and isn't acting very professionaly like morrow said.


What happened between desrow and maximusblack?


2 closed threads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359526
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359736

I dont know if the 2nd one is a good summary of the drama.


To be honest, after seeing what I have of desrow in interviews, and now being an anti-semetic, shouting, child in this drama and in addition to that, seeing what you just posted about maximusblack, I've concluded very comfortably that desrow has some serious issues.

Sure, you can troll a guy about his gf, then he tells you he doesn't like it, JUST SHUT UP. And after all that, maximus is a cool dude and he handles being pissed off very well, but you dont message him after being greedy looking for more money.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
October 14 2012 00:19 GMT
#287
On October 13 2012 23:28 nucleo wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:26 Steelavocado wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?

At least in my culture, when you say "I got jewed" or "You are a jew" means the exact same thing as " I got close to nothing" or " You ripped me off "
Still, using that diction is totally unacceptable.

ofc its unacceptable, calling some one a "jew" to mean what you say it means (or any other actually) is racism

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On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


have you tried reading the link you have posted? lol
he called some one a jew to depict them as greedy. how is that different from calling someone a "dirty jew"?


any way - he used the word "jew" to be offensive.
i guess "you drive like an asian" isnt racist as well.
what ever makes you feel better at night man.

since when has the word "jew" been considered racism? I don't remember "jews" even being a race. I though jew always came from jeudaism which is a religion... O.o
ok
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:33:47
October 14 2012 00:32 GMT
#288
On October 14 2012 09:19 LgNKami wrote:
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On October 13 2012 23:28 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:26 Steelavocado wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?

At least in my culture, when you say "I got jewed" or "You are a jew" means the exact same thing as " I got close to nothing" or " You ripped me off "
Still, using that diction is totally unacceptable.

ofc its unacceptable, calling some one a "jew" to mean what you say it means (or any other actually) is racism

edit:
On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


have you tried reading the link you have posted? lol
he called some one a jew to depict them as greedy. how is that different from calling someone a "dirty jew"?


any way - he used the word "jew" to be offensive.
i guess "you drive like an asian" isnt racist as well.
what ever makes you feel better at night man.

since when has the word "jew" been considered racism? I don't remember "jews" even being a race. I though jew always came from jeudaism which is a religion... O.o



Are you serious? If I call someone a Jew with the intention of being derogatory, then I have used the word in a racist fashion. Jew IS a racist word because outside of the synagogue it is only ever used as a slur.

As for desrow:

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You guys really want to tell me that you are defending this animal? Because he isn't getting food to stuff his face after playing games all day he feels he has the right to throw around racial slurs? He is a terrible player, has an awful personality and will never amount to anything at pro level.

User was temp banned for this post.
YourBestFriend
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada92 Posts
October 14 2012 00:36 GMT
#289
this animal? omg chill out
Sc2 And Dota 2 All Day
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
October 14 2012 00:37 GMT
#290
seriously, NarAliya your such a douchebag, you have an opinion, great. but must you insult the guy personally?
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
October 14 2012 00:37 GMT
#291
In the less politically correct/sensitive Europe, Jew is used as a term for someone who is cheap and stingy. Yes it's derogatory, but common and not meant in a hateful term, just a figure of speech. Only in America could that context be interpreted as racist. Seriously, people in America need to quit being so sensitive and learn to understand foreign context.
a little dab will do ya
InDesconrowl
Profile Joined April 2012
Togo311 Posts
October 14 2012 00:39 GMT
#292
On October 14 2012 09:19 LgNKami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 23:28 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:26 Steelavocado wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:16 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


haha cuz saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking african americans" is any better? Racism is racism.


Sure, but check this. Try calling a black person a nigger and see what happens. Then go call a Jewish person a Jew. There IS a difference.

If you call someone "hey Jew" or "Jew" it's racist. And you'd be lucky if they didn't get in your face. I would. Why tolerate someone profiling you by race/religion?

At least in my culture, when you say "I got jewed" or "You are a jew" means the exact same thing as " I got close to nothing" or " You ripped me off "
Still, using that diction is totally unacceptable.

ofc its unacceptable, calling some one a "jew" to mean what you say it means (or any other actually) is racism

edit:
On October 13 2012 23:28 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:23 nucleo wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:10 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 23:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Disappointed in Desrow. Imagine if he had talked about fucking niggers. Don't think that would be ok. But insult the Jews and that's fine. Not cool.


Poor analogy. The word Jew is nowhere near as offensive as the word Nigger. If you want to make a comparison, try the word Kike to describe a Jewish person, now THATS offensive.


lol what?
Desrow used the word "jew" as a cuss word, as an offensive word, as a racial slur.
but i guess its up to you to decide what is offensive.


He used it like this:

Jew = greedy or stingy person


Jew is not a racial slur, its a pejorative term. The word Kike is a slur. Look it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs


have you tried reading the link you have posted? lol
he called some one a jew to depict them as greedy. how is that different from calling someone a "dirty jew"?


any way - he used the word "jew" to be offensive.
i guess "you drive like an asian" isnt racist as well.
what ever makes you feel better at night man.

since when has the word "jew" been considered racism? I don't remember "jews" even being a race. I though jew always came from jeudaism which is a religion... O.o


Did you even hear the context in which it was said?
:tg: Ginyu Force :tg:
Tommyth
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland117 Posts
October 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#293
Now I don't get how is this "Jew" insult even relevant to the issue. I thought this thread is more about living conditions and boss of MoW, now whether desrow is or is not a douchebag.

It looks for me like the "boss" is a terrible person, and I would sincerely like to see his bank account hacked and robbed.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#294
On October 14 2012 08:48 NarAliya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:32 S2Glow wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.


fucking stupid guy. just shut the hell up. The world will be better


The world would be better if idiots like you didn't support closet racists like desrow.

I assume you believe you're a better person
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:45:20
October 14 2012 00:43 GMT
#295
I thought this thread was about a team house allegedly treating their players poorly. I can't believe idiots are trying to turn this into another dramafest, by being over sensitive and ignoring context. NarAliya I hope you get banned. What does a picture of his face have to do with him being an animal?

Are you racist against whites or prejudice against people who are overweight? Yea...this is how you sound.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:47:11
October 14 2012 00:45 GMT
#296
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 14 2012 00:46 GMT
#297
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

we can make the exact same conclusion about you based on ur posts, I hope u're aware of that
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:52:38
October 14 2012 00:47 GMT
#298
I used to like DesRow, and by like I mean I didn't hate his guts for using religions as insults. Welp guess not anymore, guess I'm part of his anti-fan club now. Gratz to MorroW for being an adult here, especially when no one else seems to be.

EDIT:
On October 14 2012 09:19 LgNKami wrote:
since when has the word "jew" been considered racism? I don't remember "jews" even being a race. I though jew always came from jeudaism which is a religion... O.o

Jews actually are an ethnicity and to some extent a race because a special sect of jews have different genes than most people, you can google it if you want. In fact JEWdaism is a religion, but jews who are of jewish blood and decent are part of the ethnicity of jews. Its been considered racist since before blood libel, and its a prime way of calling someone stingy, and to use that word in Poland shows the heaviest disregard for history I've seen in a pro to date.
User was warned for too many mimes.
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:50:22
October 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#299
I always thought Boss was a sneaky/shady guy.
Way back when in April/May I was talking to him on skype about potentially going to practice there he kept asking me about when he could get the money.
I told him that I would have ~6 months rent by september, but he told me that was not fast/good enough.

So I kinda went with my gut feeling and decided the MoW house/Boss was a sketchy to begin with.
I mean alot of people moved in through August-Sept, why would it matter right?
I dunno something that I noticed.


And to people being all up-in-arms about desrow saying what he said.
You can only point the finger if you have not done it yourself EVER.
if you have you(we are) not any better than him and you have no right saying what is right and wrong.

Im sure he has noticed what he said was wrong,
and lets be honest.
we are all different people, we just wear masks when the cameras are on.

So LETS GET back to the main topic
MoW house situation.
Not some meaningless religion mumbo jumbo
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:48:37
October 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#300
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.


Actually I was being ironic and trying to give you a taste of your own medicine. Not every fucking thing has to be about racism, just let it go. There must be a forum community for angry racebaiters like you. This isn't it.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
October 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#301
On October 14 2012 09:46 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

we can make the exact same conclusion about you based on ur posts, I hope u're aware of that


So because I don't like ONE person, I have an awful personality. But desrow who has shown on SEVERAL occasions how disrespectful he can be to people of different ethnicities is suddenly an iconic figure? Such good logic really.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:54:12
October 14 2012 00:50 GMT
#302
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 14 2012 00:50 GMT
#303
On October 14 2012 09:48 NarAliya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:46 ROOTFayth wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

we can make the exact same conclusion about you based on ur posts, I hope u're aware of that


So because I don't like ONE person, I have an awful personality. But desrow who has shown on SEVERAL occasions how disrespectful he can be to people of different ethnicities is suddenly an iconic figure? Such good logic really.

you have an awful personality because of the way you express yourself toward the person you don't like
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
October 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#304
I'm sorry but I find the whole situation of Desrow arguing about food absolutely hilarious lol. Not that he's wrong, for all I know MoW is starving him to death but... sorry ~_~
Why?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 01:26:58
October 14 2012 01:26 GMT
#305
edit: sorry wrong thread
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
October 14 2012 01:54 GMT
#306
Why must there be drama every time someone has a fight was someone? As far as i know, fights happen all the time in professional environments.
CptCutter
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom370 Posts
October 14 2012 02:32 GMT
#307
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
October 14 2012 02:47 GMT
#308
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.



ok, but let me ask you one thing, what does calling someone fat over the internet accomplish in your life? does it make you feel better about your negative features to insult a complete stranger? honest question, it accomplishes nothing but hurts a strangers feelings, if thats your goal in life then i understand, but if not wat are u gaining from it?
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
October 14 2012 02:51 GMT
#309
On October 14 2012 09:50 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:48 NarAliya wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:46 ROOTFayth wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

we can make the exact same conclusion about you based on ur posts, I hope u're aware of that


So because I don't like ONE person, I have an awful personality. But desrow who has shown on SEVERAL occasions how disrespectful he can be to people of different ethnicities is suddenly an iconic figure? Such good logic really.

you have an awful personality because of the way you express yourself toward the person you don't like


Fayth, you do realize who you are right? How you express yourself towards people you don't like?

I'm entirely with you, NarAliya, depending on how long it was, the ban was a little out of order, and the replies to your post afterwards personally insulting you were stupid. I came to the same conclusion you have about desrow.
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 03:00:11
October 14 2012 02:59 GMT
#310
I've only heard negative things about the food situation. People are paying money.

Sounds like there are serious management issues.
BlitchizSC2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States306 Posts
October 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#311
Sad to see that it is shitty over there. TT..players should not have to worry about this drama shit. they need to focus on practice. I feel really bad for Destiny, because he relocated his family.
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whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 03:30:21
October 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#312
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
October 14 2012 03:26 GMT
#313
Dunno how it differs between countries, but when I hear of someone saying "jew" in that manner, it's the exact same as saying something is "gay." Quibbling over trivial stuff. Cool, apparently nothing of any significance has taken place and a thread probably isn't warranted if that's the case. Or.. you guys excel at missing w/e the real issues are.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
October 14 2012 03:37 GMT
#314
On October 14 2012 12:26 playa wrote:
Dunno how it differs between countries, but when I hear of someone saying "jew" in that manner, it's the exact same as saying something is "gay." Quibbling over trivial stuff. Cool, apparently nothing of any significance has taken place and a thread probably isn't warranted if that's the case. Or.. you guys excel at missing w/e the real issues are.


Yeah? And anyone using either of those when you have a plethora of other options to choose from makes them an idiot.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Nortac
Profile Joined April 2011
United States375 Posts
October 14 2012 04:01 GMT
#315
On October 14 2012 12:37 PanN wrote:
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On October 14 2012 12:26 playa wrote:
Dunno how it differs between countries, but when I hear of someone saying "jew" in that manner, it's the exact same as saying something is "gay." Quibbling over trivial stuff. Cool, apparently nothing of any significance has taken place and a thread probably isn't warranted if that's the case. Or.. you guys excel at missing w/e the real issues are.


Yeah? And anyone using either of those when you have a plethora of other options to choose from makes them an idiot.

Then 98% of the world are idiots, everyone says something is "gay", or when people are being stingy call people "jew". It's pretty common in our generation.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 04:09:30
October 14 2012 04:04 GMT
#316
On October 14 2012 09:47 docvoc wrote:
I used to like DesRow, and by like I mean I didn't hate his guts for using religions as insults. Welp guess not anymore, guess I'm part of his anti-fan club now. Gratz to MorroW for being an adult here, especially when no one else seems to be.

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On October 14 2012 09:19 LgNKami wrote:
since when has the word "jew" been considered racism? I don't remember "jews" even being a race. I though jew always came from jeudaism which is a religion... O.o

Jews actually are an ethnicity and to some extent a race because a special sect of jews have different genes than most people, you can google it if you want. In fact JEWdaism is a religion, but jews who are of jewish blood and decent are part of the ethnicity of jews. Its been considered racist since before blood libel, and its a prime way of calling someone stingy, and to use that word in Poland shows the heaviest disregard for history I've seen in a pro to date.

Ummm what? If thats the case then why isn't Christianity considered a race? Not trying to start any religious talk here or anything but it's just silly. Also, we were both wrong; It's Judaism, not Jeudaism or Jewdaism.

BTW: Im trying to understand the situation but I dont really get it. It's like desrow is complaining about the food situation and a few other people as well, but then others either aren't having problems or are not being vocal about it. Ill wait to see what others have to say before I try to have any input in the situation.
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whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
October 14 2012 04:15 GMT
#317
On October 14 2012 12:37 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 12:26 playa wrote:
Dunno how it differs between countries, but when I hear of someone saying "jew" in that manner, it's the exact same as saying something is "gay." Quibbling over trivial stuff. Cool, apparently nothing of any significance has taken place and a thread probably isn't warranted if that's the case. Or.. you guys excel at missing w/e the real issues are.


Yeah? And anyone using either of those when you have a plethora of other options to choose from makes them an idiot.
I'm surprised you can see us up their on your ivory tower.

Honestly you think 99% of the population is an idiot. Thanks for the misanthropy. But back to the realm of non-miserable fucks: This 'Boss' guy is a douche. Reminds me that Destiny was making jokes on his stream about 'that polish guy' coming back and flipping out on everyone again. I can only imagine its the same person.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
October 14 2012 04:32 GMT
#318
MoW was fail from day1, it's just a scam to take money off high level players and make them feel like they're achieving something by being there. Many team houses have been popping up lately because it seems people realised that there's a lot of money to be made (ie: lots of high masters/low gm thinking they can make it like the koreans or top foreigners by going to a teamhouse and paying 800$/month to live there). The guy that owns the house is already well-off but he's using these people to make more money than if he would rent the house to a couple. It's a simple but well executed scam.
mjnbowlgod
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
October 14 2012 04:45 GMT
#319
If you want a true practice experience go to korea....there is no half ass playing at the EG house or any of that BS if you want to be good at this game, obviously the MoW boss not fit for the job , but the people that have joined this house are struggling pro gamers at best, Destiny has a scarred reputation and the house fits him.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 14 2012 04:53 GMT
#320
what the hell. When did casual antisemitism become so widespread?!
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:02:01
October 14 2012 05:00 GMT
#321
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
October 14 2012 05:04 GMT
#322
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


User was temp banned for this post.
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
October 14 2012 05:07 GMT
#323
These things sadden me when both sides have such poor professionalism. TBH things like this really make me question if esports is an appropriate word.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:13:32
October 14 2012 05:08 GMT
#324
On October 14 2012 14:04 whatevername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


I can't tell if you are intentionally being dense or just flippant, so I'll spell it out for you. If you call someone a jew in an insulting manner, you are implying that being a jew is a bad thing. That is by definition anti-semitic. Whether or not that behavior has become a cultural norm doesn't change that fact. Facts don't change just because people act as though they are something else.

Even if he has no intent of being anti-semitic, he is passively participating in an anti-semitic system. That's bigotry whether you like it or not. "Everyone does it" is not an excuse for lousy behavior.

And if getting rid of some ignorance a step at a time is futile and boring, I'd rather be boring and doing futile work than be exciting and useful.

And by the way, King Cnut did that whole stopping the tide thing to show to people how worthless a king is compared to a deity, well knowing he would fail (he believed in god quite strongly and wanted to demonstrate that one should put god before his king). He wasn't doing it because he was arrogant and thought he would succeed.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:17:41
October 14 2012 05:14 GMT
#325
On October 14 2012 14:08 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 14:04 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


I can't tell if you are intentionally being dense or just flippant, so I'll spell it out for you. If you call someone a jew in an insulting manner, you are implying that being a jew is a bad thing. That is by definition anti-semitic. Whether or not that behavior has become a cultural norm doesn't change that fact. Facts don't change just because people act as though they are something else.

Even if he has no intent of being anti-semitic, he is passively participating in an anti-semitic system. That's bigotry whether you like it or not. "Everyone does it" is not an excuse for lousy behavior.

And if getting rid of some ignorance a step at a time is futile and boring, I'd rather be boring and doing futile work than be exciting and useful.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you screaming 'no, language is organic and it has nothing to do with jews' just for you to reply yet again. I'm perfectly satisfied to know that your view is as ridiculous as it is obscure in our generation. In a century nigger faggot and jew will be common place words with little to no association with their current understanding.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:18:26
October 14 2012 05:16 GMT
#326
On October 14 2012 07:11 InDesconrowl wrote:
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On October 14 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Calling somebody a jew due to a perceived greed is not anti-semitism, it is stereotyping. Had the person he was speaking to actually been a jew or if desrow actually has something against jews, maybe different. But as it stands, there is no grounds to call him an anti-semite based on the situation we are presented. Calling somebody a jew is a VERB.


This is a top 10 low-point post on TL for me. And that's saying something.

Thanks for clearing up the motivation and acceptability of calling someone an offensive, reprehensible word. The part of speech call out was especially classy.


RabidDeer is a destiny fanboy. They defend anyone for any hate speech.

I have never liked destiny. He says some funny stuff sometimes, but hes generally too out there for me. I never understood his popularity either.

I just cant fathom that there are so many people that are holier than anybody else that can talk trash about somebody getting pissed off. He isnt randomly calling him that, its a fit of rage. At least he didnt go Stephano and get drunk or what many others would do and cuss him out severely or anything. I think calling somebody a jew when they are pissed off isnt that bad.

Obviously it is offensive, but it really did have an intention of being a bit offensive in regards to the thriftiness of the people involved. Leave the guy alone.

PS: People using Jesus or God in their comments are hypocrites if they are calling out desrow. Plain and simple.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
October 14 2012 05:16 GMT
#327
you know how "those jews" are ...
the first thing "they" do is set up pro gaming houses and then starve "their" players...

they've been doing it for centuries ... starting with the historic starvation of dozens of professional mahjong players in 500 BC.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 14 2012 05:28 GMT
#328
On October 14 2012 14:14 whatevername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 14:08 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:04 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


I can't tell if you are intentionally being dense or just flippant, so I'll spell it out for you. If you call someone a jew in an insulting manner, you are implying that being a jew is a bad thing. That is by definition anti-semitic. Whether or not that behavior has become a cultural norm doesn't change that fact. Facts don't change just because people act as though they are something else.

Even if he has no intent of being anti-semitic, he is passively participating in an anti-semitic system. That's bigotry whether you like it or not. "Everyone does it" is not an excuse for lousy behavior.

And if getting rid of some ignorance a step at a time is futile and boring, I'd rather be boring and doing futile work than be exciting and useful.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you screaming 'no, language is organic and it has nothing to do with jews' just for you to reply yet again. I'm perfectly satisfied to know that your view is as ridiculous as it is obscure in our generation. In a century nigger faggot and jew will be common place words with little to no association with their current understanding.


I think you should go back to your linguistics classes and study how the meaning of a word actually changes (the process involved), and you should understand the etymology of the word before you try to make this argument.

And to do it in Poland no less, brilliant move Desrow.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 14 2012 05:32 GMT
#329
On October 14 2012 14:28 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 14:14 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:08 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:04 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


I can't tell if you are intentionally being dense or just flippant, so I'll spell it out for you. If you call someone a jew in an insulting manner, you are implying that being a jew is a bad thing. That is by definition anti-semitic. Whether or not that behavior has become a cultural norm doesn't change that fact. Facts don't change just because people act as though they are something else.

Even if he has no intent of being anti-semitic, he is passively participating in an anti-semitic system. That's bigotry whether you like it or not. "Everyone does it" is not an excuse for lousy behavior.

And if getting rid of some ignorance a step at a time is futile and boring, I'd rather be boring and doing futile work than be exciting and useful.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you screaming 'no, language is organic and it has nothing to do with jews' just for you to reply yet again. I'm perfectly satisfied to know that your view is as ridiculous as it is obscure in our generation. In a century nigger faggot and jew will be common place words with little to no association with their current understanding.


I think you should go back to your linguistics classes and study how the meaning of a word actually changes (the process involved), and you should understand the etymology of the word before you try to make this argument.

And to do it in Poland no less, brilliant move Desrow.

I imagine Poland and what happened there 70 years ago didnt exactly pop into his angry mind. Seriously, give him a break.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:38:53
October 14 2012 05:34 GMT
#330
On October 14 2012 14:32 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 14:28 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:14 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:08 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:04 whatevername wrote:
On October 14 2012 14:00 Whitewing wrote:
On October 14 2012 12:20 whatevername wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:17 Drowsy wrote:
ohh shit I wanted to side with the players but then the anti-semitism reared its head.


I kinda think MoW is going to just collapse.
Just starting this so excuse me if anyone actually went on an anti semetic rant, its not anti semetic to say someones 'acting like a jew' just as its not homophobic to say someones acting like a fag.
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.
Morrow remarks that the food system is bad, as does jeremy I think [??]. Been watching destinys stream the last few days and they order pizza every night for dinner, so thats at least one meal they either dont have or choose to avoid because its too small. So it isnt just desrow being fat, the meals are just inadequate. Morrow also remarks that the polish dude came in and started flipping at Desrow, so I think its fair to say that the fault lies with MoW way more than any of the players.


Um, yes, it is anti-semitic to say someone is acting like a jew, because that phrase has a strong negative connotation that suggests being a jew or behaving like a jew would is a bad thing. And yes, it is anti-gay (I don't like the term homophobic because I don't think there's an actual phobia being expressed here, just hate) to say someone is acting like a fag, unless you are actually referring to a cigarette butt. It's passive, but it is bigotry.

There is a difference between active and passive bigotry, but it's still bigotry.
I wonder, when I say fuck you, do you imagine im making some unintelligible statement about a bundle of sticks and yourself?

Words change. You can bitch all you want but your just King Cnut trying to hold back the tide. Boring and futile.


I can't tell if you are intentionally being dense or just flippant, so I'll spell it out for you. If you call someone a jew in an insulting manner, you are implying that being a jew is a bad thing. That is by definition anti-semitic. Whether or not that behavior has become a cultural norm doesn't change that fact. Facts don't change just because people act as though they are something else.

Even if he has no intent of being anti-semitic, he is passively participating in an anti-semitic system. That's bigotry whether you like it or not. "Everyone does it" is not an excuse for lousy behavior.

And if getting rid of some ignorance a step at a time is futile and boring, I'd rather be boring and doing futile work than be exciting and useful.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you screaming 'no, language is organic and it has nothing to do with jews' just for you to reply yet again. I'm perfectly satisfied to know that your view is as ridiculous as it is obscure in our generation. In a century nigger faggot and jew will be common place words with little to no association with their current understanding.


I think you should go back to your linguistics classes and study how the meaning of a word actually changes (the process involved), and you should understand the etymology of the word before you try to make this argument.

And to do it in Poland no less, brilliant move Desrow.

I imagine Poland and what happened there 70 years ago didnt exactly pop into his angry mind. Seriously, give him a break.


I'm not exactly screaming that he should be kicked off his team or out the community or something, and I'm not saying people should blacklist him. All I'm saying is that he did something stupid and wrong. Last time I checked, being angry wasn't an excuse for bad behavior.

I'm not advocating for punishment here. I'm just saying he should know better.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
dinoboy
Profile Joined April 2012
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 05:56:35
October 14 2012 05:36 GMT
#331
this is interesting, to say the least
Mr.Faces
Profile Joined June 2012
United States121 Posts
October 14 2012 06:25 GMT
#332
Who is actually surprised Desrow has food issues? He's probably eating more than his fair share of the fridge lololol.
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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
October 14 2012 06:35 GMT
#333
On October 14 2012 13:53 Sub40APM wrote:
what the hell. When did casual antisemitism become so widespread?!


Eh, 'being a jew' is pretty common slang for being cheap. I don't like it, but that's how it is.
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aMEkaRmy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada633 Posts
October 14 2012 06:36 GMT
#334
On October 13 2012 22:30 nikoYO wrote:
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On October 13 2012 22:26 ReaperX wrote:
Some of the people that lived in the house have given very insightful comments on the reddit thread. I can't believe the boss is getting away with this... It really sucks for the players that went there to practice and grind. Desrow went way overboard with the reaction as he snapped but what the boss offers and does in general seems extremely fucked up.


yes, karmy was defending MOW last time around...this time raound his comments arent so positiv anymore (tried to strongarm him like fuzer....again...same shit )

Last time around I wasn't defending anyone, Just answering questions and talking as a third party. The only reason I didn't say anything last time about MoW was because they had enough on their plate with everyone raging at them, and at the time we had separated ways. He came back yesterday threatening to charge me more money for the time I stayed there so I decided to voice what happened to me as well .
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 14 2012 06:47 GMT
#335
On October 14 2012 15:35 IcedBacon wrote:
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On October 14 2012 13:53 Sub40APM wrote:
what the hell. When did casual antisemitism become so widespread?!


Eh, 'being a jew' is pretty common slang for being cheap. I don't like it, but that's how it is.


I don't even think Desrow's met a Jewish family, he's just making a dumb insult with out thinking about it.
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stickyhands
Profile Joined May 2011
187 Posts
October 14 2012 06:59 GMT
#336
seems like a shady place to be
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Greenhit
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States200 Posts
October 14 2012 07:31 GMT
#337
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 14 2012 07:37 GMT
#338
Seems like MoW is pocketing the extra food costs if its $800 a month. $800 is way high for some reason.

Your landlord should never also be supplying food and other things. That should be illegal honestly. Conflict of interest.
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Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
October 14 2012 07:37 GMT
#339
Don't really see how a venture such as MoW can have food issues. Does no one know how to cook?

It can't cut into the budget that much to buy some eggs, pasta, meat, and veggies.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
October 14 2012 07:42 GMT
#340
i wish there was a transcript. I can barely understand Boss' accent.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
October 14 2012 07:43 GMT
#341
On October 13 2012 22:44 creamyturtle wrote:
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On October 13 2012 22:41 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On October 13 2012 22:36 creamyturtle wrote:
So nobody cooks breakfast


Is this the norm for you? I was under the impression that cereal was the standard breakfast with cooked breakfast as a hangover cure?


Well its the norm for Korean pro houses.

.... Never.
I havent had a cold breakfast in like..... 5 years.
Except for a RARE occassion.
I cant stand cereal.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
October 14 2012 07:46 GMT
#342
On October 14 2012 11:47 PviLLe3 wrote:
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On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
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On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.



ok, but let me ask you one thing, what does calling someone fat over the internet accomplish in your life? does it make you feel better about your negative features to insult a complete stranger? honest question, it accomplishes nothing but hurts a strangers feelings, if thats your goal in life then i understand, but if not wat are u gaining from it?


Agreed. Why does it matter if hes fat? How does it affect YOUR life?
Honestly, I was 300lbs once, im like 215lbs now, but it ISNT easy. If i had HAD a job that required me to sit for 8h a day, i couldnt have lost weight. Its hard to find enough time to work out enough to make you lose weight, esp at a decent rate. Plus, if you binge eat, or drink alcohol even once, youll gain weight again..... Very fast. Putting a weeks effort down the drain in a night.
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
October 14 2012 08:25 GMT
#343
On October 14 2012 07:40 TargA wrote:
lets kill him


i disagree
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 14 2012 08:27 GMT
#344
On October 14 2012 16:46 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 11:47 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 14 2012 11:32 CptCutter wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 14 2012 09:50 PviLLe3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:45 NarAliya wrote:
I'm attacking him personally because I believe a point can be made out of it. If I was upset with one fat person, I wouldn't start screaming 'omg you are the typical greedy fatty just like the rest of your fat friends' etc etc.

Point is, he is a horrible person and deserves no respect or consideration. After reading the posts and comments related to him in the other threads that is the only accurate conclusion I can make of him.

And how has this suddenly turned into me being racist against whites? Is it because you see Nigeria as my country? Now I am really not surprised at all the bad posting in this thread.



the only point your really making is that even though you might dislike him your just showing how bad of a human being you are. sure say hey i dont like him, i dislike his views, his character, but calling him an animal and a fatass etc etc just looks poorly on you.

EDIT, he got a week ban, thank you TL hope i dont get banned for attacking him, i just didnt like the way he was attacking him so personally, and im not even a desrow fan. there are plenty of people who stuggle with weight issues and im sick of people who think its ok to point it out numerous times in such ways.


he is fat though. when you say people struggle, do you mean they because they are so lazy? in 99% of cases with fat people, this is the reason. pure laziness. and iv hated desrow for a long time, but just because i hate him doesnt mean my judgement is clouded when i say hes fat and needs a good jog a couple times a week.



ok, but let me ask you one thing, what does calling someone fat over the internet accomplish in your life? does it make you feel better about your negative features to insult a complete stranger? honest question, it accomplishes nothing but hurts a strangers feelings, if thats your goal in life then i understand, but if not wat are u gaining from it?


Agreed. Why does it matter if hes fat? How does it affect YOUR life?
Honestly, I was 300lbs once, im like 215lbs now, but it ISNT easy. If i had HAD a job that required me to sit for 8h a day, i couldnt have lost weight. Its hard to find enough time to work out enough to make you lose weight, esp at a decent rate. Plus, if you binge eat, or drink alcohol even once, youll gain weight again..... Very fast. Putting a weeks effort down the drain in a night.

good for you man, going down from 300 to 215 is legit.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 14 2012 09:08 GMT
#345
I'm kind of shocked that so much of the thread is arguing about Desrow's choice of words. That's the least significant part of this incident. We simply can't know whether this is because Desrow is racist, or because it was the most offensive thing he could think of saying when he was angry (not because being a Jew is bad, but because people react strongly to racially loaded insults), nor do we deserve to know if he isn't actively trying to spread anti-Semitic propaganda. All we can do is tell him to work on controlling his temper, as I can't in good faith see him saying things like this when he isn't angry.

The big issue is the food. Do we have any clear information on what the food situation is like? We have at least three sources saying the food is insufficient (Fuzer, Morrow, Desrow), but I don't believe I've gotten a clear picture from either side of what the meals ARE. Complaints mean that everything isn't okay, but I'd like to see exactly how not-okay it is. Could MoW please release proper information?
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Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
October 14 2012 09:31 GMT
#346
do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
October 14 2012 09:34 GMT
#347
On October 14 2012 18:08 Acritter wrote:
I'm kind of shocked that so much of the thread is arguing about Desrow's choice of words. That's the least significant part of this incident. We simply can't know whether this is because Desrow is racist, or because it was the most offensive thing he could think of saying when he was angry (not because being a Jew is bad, but because people react strongly to racially loaded insults), nor do we deserve to know if he isn't actively trying to spread anti-Semitic propaganda. All we can do is tell him to work on controlling his temper, as I can't in good faith see him saying things like this when he isn't angry.

The big issue is the food. Do we have any clear information on what the food situation is like? We have at least three sources saying the food is insufficient (Fuzer, Morrow, Desrow), but I don't believe I've gotten a clear picture from either side of what the meals ARE. Complaints mean that everything isn't okay, but I'd like to see exactly how not-okay it is. Could MoW please release proper information?

im just not going smaller :p
I have some muscle.. But i think id look weird being super skinny. ha ha.
Plus itd take more work than im doing now -_- ha ha
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 14 2012 09:38 GMT
#348
Desrow says boss is too greedy with his money and holding out on players? Guess it proves the old saying of MoW money MoW problems!
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xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
October 14 2012 10:03 GMT
#349
On October 14 2012 07:40 burbon wrote:
Maybe this huge fat pig will lose some kilograms, he is there for free and he is calling people jews. Racist fat sow. If he dont like place he should leave, since he is there for free. I hate fatasses who are racist. I hope he will starve there.

User was temp banned for this post.


he is there for free ? he WON it , and i bet mow gets $$ from his stream . !
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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
October 14 2012 10:25 GMT
#350
On October 14 2012 14:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you know how "those jews" are ...
the first thing "they" do is set up pro gaming houses and then starve "their" players...

they've been doing it for centuries ... starting with the historic starvation of dozens of professional mahjong players in 500 BC.


best post in this thread so far, should be edited into the OP :D
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reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 10:44:34
October 14 2012 10:39 GMT
#351
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 14 2012 11:10 GMT
#352
Someone early in this thread called me anti Semitic for recognizing Jewish facial structure.

My ex gf is 3/4 Jewish. I am pro Semitic rather than otherwise. I want to clear that up. That is what I mean by "Jewish look"! I can still recognize a good number of them, I can also sometimes tell if someone's ancestors came from Germany or Britain! (Ireland and Britain is harder oddly enough, though it shouldn't be... I sometimes hear? Since I don't see it I don't know.) also in Germany the border people in customs were surprised that my brother was American, they thought he was German. Wonder how they got there? Well, they had a lot of practice. I had a lot of practice around a lot of Jews, half Jews, part jews. So I can tell in a lot of cases now (not all, so the guy accusing me of anti semitism isn't all wrong, as geographical things probably affect this.)

Sorry for bringing up old derail, I was just really shocked to be accused of anti semitism as a pro Jewish person... I fell for the same sort of blunder though, and was banned in the past. (Was trying to make a different point facetiously about gun control using an ad by a Jewish pro-gun association that even said on the cover that they were the most extreme organization in America. When I read the Jewish part, post ban, I was so ashamed I pm'ed kennigit asking for reban after he let me fix it). I do say ppl who disagree about Jewish ethnicity should check Abraham issac Jacob, these ppl are agreed to have lived by most of the world including the Jews themselves... I think some Jews would be deeply hurt if you said they were not an ethnic group while others would join my accuser. My ex was part of the former crowd, ardently.

Food is essential but Desrow did Morrow's example help?
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 14 2012 11:36 GMT
#353
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...


To be fair i think germany might be a bit of a drastic case...for reasons that dont need to be stated.

But on the whole, i agree, its a racial or religious slur (whatever way you want to put it) and shouldnt really be accepted.

Can i call all you christians bible bashers? I dont think so.

Or use the "N" word (nachos, naturally.) Dont think so.

Im not religious at all btw

BUT, its really not the point of this thread, we all know what desrow is anyway, some are blind to it, but most of us know.

This thread is about MoW and its terrible management and conditions for players.
Useless wet fish.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
October 14 2012 12:22 GMT
#354
close it down!
FlashDave.999 aka Star
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
October 14 2012 12:29 GMT
#355
On October 14 2012 08:17 NarAliya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


You fat shit. Its people like you that cause all these irritating racial slurs like "jew", "spic" and "nigger" to propagate and infest the internet. How many times must I have to look through a random youtube video or replay and see any of the above thrown around callously?

There is no excuse for what you said.


Someone ban this idiot.

"I CANT BELIEVE YOU'D CALL SOMEONE A JEW"

after starting sentence with "You fat shit". It's not ok for him to make derogatory comments but god damn it I'll call him a fat shit and not see the irony!!!!
FoTG fighting!
Daniri
Profile Joined May 2007
387 Posts
October 14 2012 12:57 GMT
#356
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:


I don't know about Canada but, as with most everything else, I doubt there's much difference. You can't publicly go around using "Jew" as an insult. When it is done it's predominantly kids and people on the internet; Mel Gibson comprising the rest.


To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League
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gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 15:59:41
October 14 2012 15:49 GMT
#357
Guys he was obviously referring to the stereotype that jews are greedy guys.
There are even movies that are using this stereotype, showcasing them as rich greedy guys.
Dont misunderstand his use of the word for something that it isnt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews
There is a whole rubric about greed right there.
"Jewish frugality, thriftiness, and greed are among the typical themes in jokes about Jews, even by Jews themselves."

He didnt use it as a racial slur or whatever, he used it as a way to describe how greedy that guy is, and he obviously is fucking greedy if he doesnt serve a proper meal.
Anyone should be able to tell from the context that he is using it as a way to describe that mow-guy´s greed.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 14 2012 16:08 GMT
#358
there is such an abundance of sense in this thread its crazy.
Im not even going to touch on the whole racist aspect, but more the people having a go at desrow for being fat or because hes complaining about food.
For you complete ignorant people, desrow is, and has been for some time now, on a very strict diet and is doing incredibly well. No one is going to say hes not fat, not even desrow himself, but he has been working really hard when he was in canada to lose weight - im sure theres a before and after picture someone too and its a huge difference.
And yea he might be living there for 'free' but you would expect decent food to be served. Overweight or not, most people would not be satisfied with the food there. And its such a simple thing to fix. Its not like if the internet was bad, or there wasnt enough living space or something, but food is something that can be fixed almost instantly.
Anyone would be pissed, and to say otherwise is just mindless hate for desrow
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
October 14 2012 18:22 GMT
#359
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath
Progamer
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 14 2012 18:33 GMT
#360
On October 15 2012 03:22 ROOTMajOr wrote:
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath


"the jump sick psyopath?" uhh ok :O that made no sense what so ever.
I wonder what he means by that
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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#361
On October 15 2012 03:33 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 03:22 ROOTMajOr wrote:
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath


"the jump sick psyopath?" uhh ok :O that made no sense what so ever.
I wonder what he means by that


Probably refering to this.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 18:57:22
October 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#362
On October 15 2012 03:22 ROOTMajOr wrote:
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath


all of my wat.

On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...



really? council of jews?
PrsdntKmacho
Profile Joined January 2011
United States19 Posts
October 14 2012 19:23 GMT
#363
On October 15 2012 03:33 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 03:22 ROOTMajOr wrote:
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath


"the jump sick psyopath?" uhh ok :O that made no sense what so ever.
I wonder what he means by that


He means he wanted to see that Felix guy who did the super high jump die. It was fairly unrelated.
I thought yo head would be bigger...
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
October 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#364
Major is pointing out that Desrow wished that Felix Baumgartner had died on his jump from 120 000 feet in order to bring further attention to the issue of poor jokes / inappropriate statements.
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
October 14 2012 19:38 GMT
#365
It's enough to say that the MoW house doesn't seem to be a nice place to be as a player. This isn't a major upset or drama though.
xHQx
Profile Joined August 2012
Russian Federation601 Posts
October 14 2012 19:57 GMT
#366
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...

ye man in Germany you can say anything you want about germans, but can't even say a word even with fun expression about jews. And it's actually true. "tolerance" is not really fair to everyone nowadays lol.
are you evolving?
PeabeeyoO
Profile Joined October 2012
3 Posts
October 14 2012 20:01 GMT
#367
Call me a jew to my face and i'll break yours.

"tolerance" is not really fair to everyone nowadays lol.


Burning 6 million jews in gas chambers wasn't fair either.

User was banned for this post.
PeabeeyoO
Profile Joined October 2012
3 Posts
October 14 2012 20:03 GMT
#368

do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?


Calling someone a jew is like telling someone you fucked his mother, at least that's how israelis (like me) take it. And for a good reason. So don't do that.
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 14 2012 21:34 GMT
#369
That's alright, I'm sure everything will be alright once they apologize with kitten pictures.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
October 14 2012 21:39 GMT
#370
whoosh on this whole drama. isn't desrow staying for free?
WaesumNinja
Profile Joined February 2012
210 Posts
October 14 2012 22:35 GMT
#371
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...


In Europe? In sweden nobody really cares, then again i've never heard anyone call anyone a jew except for one guy that happened to be of german origin.
Viter
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark22 Posts
October 15 2012 00:24 GMT
#372
This thread turned into a fucking shitfest, this is exactly what Destiny was talking about lol.
People are just focusing on the words, and not the message. People should stop bitching so fucking much about curse words, jesus TL, i thought you were better than this!?
Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
October 15 2012 00:45 GMT
#373
I love how a food issue in a house in Poland, where young guys go to train and get better at a videogame, has taught me a few more facts about the history of jews throughout the centuries.

Also I stopped caring for DesRow a long time ago and so should you, dear reader. Morrow already had a new fan in me, so I'll take the history lesson and go. Food has to get bought every day so this will sort out eventually.




Bunch of jews
Rogue Deck
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2572 Posts
October 15 2012 00:46 GMT
#374
On October 15 2012 05:03 PeabeeyoO wrote:
Show nested quote +

do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?


Calling someone a jew is like telling someone you fucked his mother, at least that's how israelis (like me) take it. And for a good reason. So don't do that.


Are you saying it's disrespectful for Jewish people to be called Jews?
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
October 15 2012 00:48 GMT
#375
If they're not happy about it, just get up and leave or something. MOW not providing promised accommodations should be good enough grounds to terminate the contracts, no?
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Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 01:03:03
October 15 2012 01:01 GMT
#376
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

That's nothing unique. In America it's the ADL.
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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
October 15 2012 01:07 GMT
#377
Where to start..
Get your priorities straight. If you want to become a better sc2 player you have nothing to complain about. If you want to eat clean and healthy you might want to consider moving out of the house.

First of all you are there for "free". You have been there for months now, so you know where you stand and what you can expect food-wise from the hosts. If you want to eat healthy there do something about it yourself. Food supplements have existed for a long time now. They are not meant to be meal replacements but they are ideal in your situation as addition to the food you are getting now. Buy some quality complex Carbs, Proteins, Multivitamins, Flax-seed oil/ Fish oil, etc. You have a place to sleep, you have place to train, you have a gym where you can work out.

If you want a decent meal beyond what you are getting at the house and from supplements, I'm sure you can find a restaurant.

That being said imo MoW focuses way to much on making profits immediately (riding the esports money wave) instead of establishing a brand. Get a decent professional cook for crying out loud.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
October 15 2012 01:07 GMT
#378
On October 15 2012 05:03 PeabeeyoO wrote:
Show nested quote +

do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?


Calling someone a jew is like telling someone you fucked his mother, at least that's how israelis (like me) take it. And for a good reason. So don't do that.


I hold an Israeli passport and thank fuck I'm not a jew, yous all have a reverse racism syndrome..

Back to topic,so far what is the actual benifit for anyone to be in MoW? all these dudes are known enough on their own without some teamhouse that is stealing their meals
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kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
October 15 2012 01:13 GMT
#379
On October 15 2012 03:55 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 03:22 ROOTMajOr wrote:
[01:19:41 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so disappointed
[01:19:44 p.m.] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: that he didnt die - thejump sick psyopath


all of my wat.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 19:39 reapsen wrote:
Okay, let me clear some things up for our fellow TL'ers from the U.S. and from Canada:

In your culture it is a huge huge problem and outrage if you call somebody a "nigger". In any context (except in Rap Music maybe) it is totally unacceptable and people will be branded as "racist" immediatly if they say it even once.
That is because of the U.S. history with the opression of blacks and the civil rights movement 50-60 years ago. People are still VERY sensitive about it.

Now listen up: In Europe, and especially in germany and poland we have a very very bad history with jews only 70 years ago. European people are at least as much senstive about the topic as you folks from the U.S. are with the whole nigger-thing!
While you may call someone who is greedy a "jew" nonchalantly in the U.S., it is an absolutely no-go here in Europe. You have to understand that. Thats why people make such a big deal out of it in this thread.

To emphazise my point: In Germany we have the "Zentralrat der Juden", which translates to "Central Council of Jews". It is a whole huge organization, which almost does nothing else than exclusively watch the politics, media and the society to expose antisemtic-tendencies. And oh boy, let me tell you they actually complain alot..

So next time before you post something like: "Ah comon, 'jew' is just a funny word blabla", keep in mind that other cultures may have different boundaries...



really? council of jews?


Never heard of them ? like B'nai Brith ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'nai_B'rith
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 15 2012 01:13 GMT
#380
On October 15 2012 09:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 05:03 PeabeeyoO wrote:

do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?


Calling someone a jew is like telling someone you fucked his mother, at least that's how israelis (like me) take it. And for a good reason. So don't do that.


Are you saying it's disrespectful for Jewish people to be called Jews?


Depends on your tone and demeanor as well as connotation. If you 'call' someone a jew as though it were an insult, yeah, it's an insult.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2572 Posts
October 15 2012 06:00 GMT
#381
On October 15 2012 10:13 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 09:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On October 15 2012 05:03 PeabeeyoO wrote:

do any jewish people care using the word jew for calling someone stingy?

its kinda like calling something is gay, when you arent refering to gay people?


Calling someone a jew is like telling someone you fucked his mother, at least that's how israelis (like me) take it. And for a good reason. So don't do that.


Are you saying it's disrespectful for Jewish people to be called Jews?


Depends on your tone and demeanor as well as connotation. If you 'call' someone a jew as though it were an insult, yeah, it's an insult.


He made me think that it's different than how we use it in the U.S. in a non derogatory way and now I'm curious. But I do realize how you say it and in what context is everything in the U.S. Just wondering if if it's different over there.
Dumbtruck
Profile Joined September 2011
56 Posts
October 15 2012 08:23 GMT
#382
Jews are jews. If jews don't like themselves being called jews they dont like being jews. That's simple as that lol.

User was banned for this post.
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
October 15 2012 08:34 GMT
#383
Will someone change the thread name to "The Jew steoreotype debate" ? This stopped being a discussion about MoW and the players a long time ago ..
Less e$ports, more fun
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
October 15 2012 08:35 GMT
#384
On October 15 2012 17:34 Leru wrote:
Will someone change the thread name to "The Jew steoreotype debate" ? This stopped being a discussion about MoW and the players a long time ago ..


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FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
October 15 2012 09:03 GMT
#385
Personally i think desrow shouldn't be so criticized for this, after all he is just arguing and lets face it we all know half the people don't think or really mean half the stuff they say in an argument... Now if he were to type that out on a chat log or something that would be totally different!
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
October 15 2012 09:22 GMT
#386
So uhh.. according to this thread.. MoW has a problem because desrow used the word jew in a derogatory way and he isnt being fed enough O_O?
Sixer
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States278 Posts
October 15 2012 09:23 GMT
#387
ministry of win seems like a complete joke. no professional organization should have this much trouble simply not being criticized on a regular bassis
YO MAN~YOGA PARTY BABY
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 09:32:19
October 15 2012 09:31 GMT
#388
It's funny how the people are hating on MoW. All the players that I know about are pretty happy with the MoW house. The only thing that they criticize is the shitty food.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
October 15 2012 10:00 GMT
#389
Wow TL recruit MorroW, such a good manner!
NotYetAWoman
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 11:45:13
October 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#390
Funny how their response to Noticimus complaining about there being Alot of drinking ect is "He was drinking himself". considering Noticimus is 17? and not legal to drink alcohol, thats a very bad thing to say publicly and then go ahead and threaten noticimus for going public with this. they threatened Noticimus after his post privately about him signing a contract ect ( funny thing, he never signed anything ) and even if he did, hes not 18 -.-.

Source: I used to play in GL for a very long time, and still talk alot to their core members.

(my english is horrible i know, and i apologize)
NotYetaWoman
Sixer
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States278 Posts
October 15 2012 12:53 GMT
#391
On October 15 2012 18:31 JazVM wrote:
It's funny how the people are hating on MoW. All the players that I know about are pretty happy with the MoW house. The only thing that they criticize is the shitty food.


they're hating on MoW because despite the community itself being generally childish, it's a community nonetheless. it wants to see its players flourish, and the conditions offered by MoW when it's one of the premier non-korean houses around barely sounds suitable for living, let alone creating an environment in which champions are train.
YO MAN~YOGA PARTY BABY
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 15 2012 13:23 GMT
#392
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 15 2012 13:29 GMT
#393
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 14:03:19
October 15 2012 13:59 GMT
#394
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

The thing people seem to not be able to get through their head is, some people almost entirely regardless of what they eat will have weight problems. So, for them to be able to go on a successful weight diet they really have to be careful. When things like this get in their way it's not only concerning, but also disheartening.

It makes me sad that people, let alone grown ass men, still harp on people for weight. You think by now people would start to take into account the context of their situation(have I even seen one post in here about metabolism? let me learn u somethin'), the fast food industry around the world, + other blatant world problems. People who act in this egotistical manner hinder progression of a non self destructive society, and the world would likely prosper a greater bit without them promoting garbage everywhere (not you in general suplilson, other posters as seen in the thread. Though your post still is -_-, but I accredit your first post you made which made some sense.)
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 15 2012 14:02 GMT
#395
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


Maybe he tagged along because he was hungry and all the other guys go there to eat? He's also a keto guy so meat and grease is okay.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
October 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#396
Let them eat cake.



But seriously, I had high hopes for MoW when it was announced, but I can't say I've heard a lot of good coming out from it.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 15:14:36
October 15 2012 15:13 GMT
#397
On October 15 2012 22:59 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

The thing people seem to not be able to get through their head is, some people almost entirely regardless of what they eat will have weight problems. So, for them to be able to go on a successful weight diet they really have to be careful. When things like this get in their way it's not only concerning, but also disheartening.

It makes me sad that people, let alone grown ass men, still harp on people for weight. You think by now people would start to take into account the context of their situation(have I even seen one post in here about metabolism? let me learn u somethin'), the fast food industry around the world, + other blatant world problems. People who act in this egotistical manner hinder progression of a non self destructive society, and the world would likely prosper a greater bit without them promoting garbage everywhere (not you in general suplilson, other posters as seen in the thread. Though your post still is -_-, but I accredit your first post you made which made some sense.)


While all this is true... I don't really see how it applies to DesRow... I could write you an essay on social and cultural pressures to eat unhealthy and why DesRow is not a victim of these influences. The point of this thread isn't DesRow's weight and I feel sorry for making that snide post. But in a nutshell, DesRow isn't forced to eat the cheapest, most accessible food. He is not a single mother, he doesn't work multiple jobs, he doesn't have a family to feed, he isn't below the poverty line. If the food at MoW really was that unacceptable the players could just take a few hours to do grocery shopping. You're acting as if McDonalds was his only option besides starvation.
rckY
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 15:24:37
October 15 2012 15:24 GMT
#398
On October 15 2012 23:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


Maybe he tagged along because he was hungry and all the other guys go there to eat? He's also a keto guy so meat and grease is okay.


I recommend reading the McDonald's food values... cause then you would see how much crap is in your statement.

Besides that keto never justifies any type of fast food.
Iroh
Profile Joined February 2011
England48 Posts
October 15 2012 15:26 GMT
#399
As always, you read something and it seems so good. They seem to have everything in order and it could become something great! But like always they grab as much money as they can and it just seems to be hell. How hard is it to put all this money and sponsorship into food. Seriously.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10649 Posts
October 15 2012 15:33 GMT
#400
You don’t get F A T from eating at McDonalds 4-5 times a week or even daily... You get fat from ordering a supersize meal with giant coke (+another burger and some nuggets on top) inestad of just the normal menue (I gues in the US this would be the "small" menue from what I hear). It isn't healthy but it won't make you "instant FAAAT".
Yes, there are people that naturally struggle with their weight, like me, but they also don't get F A T from that when they don't have a serious issue going. People, in general, get fat from eating to much while not moving around enough (I'm not even talking sports, just "moving").

I don't know what the food in the mow house exactly is, but the demands some people have here seem to be pretty high (warm breakfast, really? And possibly two other warm meals?).

I would consider this a normal (continental) european diet for a person with an office job (which progaming is):
Breakfast = Bread/Marmelade/Butter or Cereals. Many just skip this.
+ 1 warm plate a day (Pasta, Meat, Rice, Veggies, Potatoes, Fish whatever a normal warm dish is for you... or McD/Pizza/Fast Food).
+ 1 cold plate (bread/meat/cheese) or a sandwich or a salad.
Hungry in between? Eat an Apple/Fruit and/or maybe something (small) sweet.

If they did not specifiy 2 warm meals this would be more than sufficent imho...
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 15 2012 15:41 GMT
#401
On October 15 2012 22:59 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

Terrible relative to what?

You don't need fancy or great food to function.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
October 15 2012 15:51 GMT
#402
On October 16 2012 00:41 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:59 -Kyo- wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

Terrible relative to what?

You don't need fancy or great food to function.

You don't need fancy or expensive food, but you do need the right kinds of foods to function properly.
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
October 15 2012 16:05 GMT
#403
if there will be a couple more of these Dramas, i'd say it was time for a collective lawsuit by the affected players.
clearly, MoW is making false promises, thereby not holding true to their oral and/or written contracts.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 15 2012 16:17 GMT
#404
On October 16 2012 00:24 rckY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 23:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


Maybe he tagged along because he was hungry and all the other guys go there to eat? He's also a keto guy so meat and grease is okay.


I recommend reading the McDonald's food values... cause then you would see how much crap is in your statement.

Besides that keto never justifies any type of fast food.


I see no "crap" in my "statement", it's just a short note of what specific diet he is/was on. I have no idea what he ordered and I didn't claim that a meal with the bun and fries was okay. Ease.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
October 15 2012 17:28 GMT
#405
Almost all the MoW problems to me sound like the staff didn't properly think over all the logistics of housing players properly.

What the other people said in that audio was dead on, it's the MoW staff's job to be professional. Would it be nice if the players were? of course, and in an ideal world the players should be respectful. However, should a situation arise the last person who should lose their shit over something though is a house manager.

Just my 2 cents, but I don't think MoW fully thought through everything and they are now learning the hard way.
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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 18:45:16
October 15 2012 18:42 GMT
#406
On October 16 2012 00:13 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:59 -Kyo- wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

The thing people seem to not be able to get through their head is, some people almost entirely regardless of what they eat will have weight problems. So, for them to be able to go on a successful weight diet they really have to be careful. When things like this get in their way it's not only concerning, but also disheartening.

It makes me sad that people, let alone grown ass men, still harp on people for weight. You think by now people would start to take into account the context of their situation(have I even seen one post in here about metabolism? let me learn u somethin'), the fast food industry around the world, + other blatant world problems. People who act in this egotistical manner hinder progression of a non self destructive society, and the world would likely prosper a greater bit without them promoting garbage everywhere (not you in general suplilson, other posters as seen in the thread. Though your post still is -_-, but I accredit your first post you made which made some sense.)


While all this is true... I don't really see how it applies to DesRow... I could write you an essay on social and cultural pressures to eat unhealthy and why DesRow is not a victim of these influences. The point of this thread isn't DesRow's weight and I feel sorry for making that snide post. But in a nutshell, DesRow isn't forced to eat the cheapest, most accessible food. He is not a single mother, he doesn't work multiple jobs, he doesn't have a family to feed, he isn't below the poverty line. If the food at MoW really was that unacceptable the players could just take a few hours to do grocery shopping. You're acting as if McDonalds was his only option besides starvation.


I never said, or claimed this anywhere in my post. What I was attempting to help you understand is that certain diets, no matter how they apply to one person may not apply the same way to another +some other words. Hence why I referenced metabolism. "Unacceptable" and "to his standards" are differentiating phrases I wanted to clarify. Basically, he isn't being treated how he thinks is ethical, or fair. I think that's a perfectly fine argument to make, with the exception of how he made it.
And on a side note, almost every player that isn't EG/Liquid/fully sponsored team probably has to cut corners somewhere with money, assuming they don't work a job somewhere else. Money isn't something lucrative in SC2 - for individual players - sadly enough.

o:

oh and edit: to the other dude who quoted me~ you'd be surprised how much better your body in general, of course this includes your brain, functions when you're on a balanced diet and working out/fit(I think they got the fitness center down pat though xD). If desrow thinks he is not getting the balanced nutrition he needs then that's his argument to make :D
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Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
October 15 2012 19:02 GMT
#407
On October 16 2012 00:13 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 22:59 -Kyo- wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:29 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 15 2012 22:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:31 Greenhit wrote:
Lol desrow complaining about food go figure.


Yes, it's not a surprise considering that he is/was on a strict diet and therefore very concerned about what he gets to eat.


lol... that's why he went to McDonalds with MorroW on stream the other day, right? Guess he really needed that hot big mac.


People like you piss me off. You do realize the cheapest, most accessible food is the worst for you correct, let alone it being "tasteful"? I mean, this is true practically anywhere. Him going out to eat that food, whether it's once or twice, or the whole week just proves how terrible the situation in MoW really is considering what he has been trying to accomplish.

The thing people seem to not be able to get through their head is, some people almost entirely regardless of what they eat will have weight problems. So, for them to be able to go on a successful weight diet they really have to be careful. When things like this get in their way it's not only concerning, but also disheartening.

It makes me sad that people, let alone grown ass men, still harp on people for weight. You think by now people would start to take into account the context of their situation(have I even seen one post in here about metabolism? let me learn u somethin'), the fast food industry around the world, + other blatant world problems. People who act in this egotistical manner hinder progression of a non self destructive society, and the world would likely prosper a greater bit without them promoting garbage everywhere (not you in general suplilson, other posters as seen in the thread. Though your post still is -_-, but I accredit your first post you made which made some sense.)


While all this is true... I don't really see how it applies to DesRow... I could write you an essay on social and cultural pressures to eat unhealthy and why DesRow is not a victim of these influences. The point of this thread isn't DesRow's weight and I feel sorry for making that snide post. But in a nutshell, DesRow isn't forced to eat the cheapest, most accessible food. He is not a single mother, he doesn't work multiple jobs, he doesn't have a family to feed, he isn't below the poverty line. If the food at MoW really was that unacceptable the players could just take a few hours to do grocery shopping. You're acting as if McDonalds was his only option besides starvation.



But i think the point people are trying to make is that the people living in the MoW house are paying extra money so food is included.. Whether or not Desrow wants to eat healthy is his thing but there should be enough food in the house for everyone so he doesn't have to go get a second dinner because dinner was half a sandwich or something.

Doesn't it seem counter intuitive to pay extra money for included food and then be forced to buy groceries because not enough food is supplied...

It makes sense if your already paying money for food but not getting enough to then turn to the cheapest place possible as you already have an existing expense for food.
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
October 15 2012 19:10 GMT
#408
Lol this thread is all about Desrow's diet.. Perhaps you should ask him if you're that concerned..
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
October 15 2012 19:20 GMT
#409
it's easy to emotionally respond and say things like "shut this place down", "players must boycott such a place" etc, but having a gaming house in europe is such a nice asset to the sc2 scene.

surely someone who has better experience than Maciej can reach out and offer him some guidance? a TL or EG manager could give them some advice, guidelines, etc? not sure if this has happened already, if it has then we can just hope for things to improve there!
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4332 Posts
October 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#410
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 19:29:21
October 15 2012 19:27 GMT
#411
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
October 15 2012 19:36 GMT
#412
I don't know how Poles eat. But I have been watching my diet, and its amazing how much the stuff you put in you effects your mental and physical performance.

Just by not eating as many carbs, cutting all junk foods, and eating good. I feel less hungry, tired, and lazy.

From what I see, Korean houses take care of their players very well. I remember watching a ton of videos where the coaches would shop for groceries for lots of good lean meat, and they generally have a cook. Foreign teams need to take in whats already established and see how they size up to the Koreans. I notice EG also takes care of their players, but they got that EG money.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
October 15 2012 19:54 GMT
#413
On October 16 2012 00:41 Dfgj wrote:
You don't need fancy or great food to function.


Yea, you can just pour any liquid into your gas tank also, the mileage will be about the same.

Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
October 15 2012 20:03 GMT
#414
On October 16 2012 04:36 Raid wrote:
I don't know how Poles eat. But I have been watching my diet, and its amazing how much the stuff you put in you effects your mental and physical performance.

Just by not eating as many carbs, cutting all junk foods, and eating good. I feel less hungry, tired, and lazy.

From what I see, Korean houses take care of their players very well. I remember watching a ton of videos where the coaches would shop for groceries for lots of good lean meat, and they generally have a cook. Foreign teams need to take in whats already established and see how they size up to the Koreans. I notice EG also takes care of their players, but they got that EG money.


Poles eat just as bad as most modern nations. In Korea/Japan the average diet is hundreds times better so that's why they also eat better at teamhouses. EG players don't appear to be eating healthy, but that's only me judging by what they show to the public (Mashine devouring hamburgers and stuff ^^ )
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
October 15 2012 20:26 GMT
#415
On October 16 2012 04:54 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:41 Dfgj wrote:
You don't need fancy or great food to function.


Yea, you can just pour any liquid into your gas tank also, the mileage will be about the same.


Good one!
"NO" -Has
Oerbaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Scotland184 Posts
October 15 2012 20:29 GMT
#416
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.


He just did apologize O.o?
I came here to kick as and drink milk, and ive finished my milk
w.s
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden850 Posts
December 03 2012 17:46 GMT
#417
On October 16 2012 00:33 Velr wrote:
You don’t get F A T from eating at McDonalds 4-5 times a week or even daily... You get fat from ordering a supersize meal with giant coke (+another burger and some nuggets on top) inestad of just the normal menue (I gues in the US this would be the "small" menue from what I hear). It isn't healthy but it won't make you "instant FAAAT".
Yes, there are people that naturally struggle with their weight, like me, but they also don't get F A T from that when they don't have a serious issue going. People, in general, get fat from eating to much while not moving around enough (I'm not even talking sports, just "moving").

I don't know what the food in the mow house exactly is, but the demands some people have here seem to be pretty high (warm breakfast, really? And possibly two other warm meals?).

I would consider this a normal (continental) european diet for a person with an office job (which progaming is):
Breakfast = Bread/Marmelade/Butter or Cereals. Many just skip this.
+ 1 warm plate a day (Pasta, Meat, Rice, Veggies, Potatoes, Fish whatever a normal warm dish is for you... or McD/Pizza/Fast Food).
+ 1 cold plate (bread/meat/cheese) or a sandwich or a salad.
Hungry in between? Eat an Apple/Fruit and/or maybe something (small) sweet.

If they did not specifiy 2 warm meals this would be more than sufficent imho...


+1, makes me wonder if desrow went there to eat (..really? more?) or to practice.

User was temp banned for this post.
Segssw
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada2 Posts
December 03 2012 18:07 GMT
#418
--- Nuked ---
AzoriuS
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland74 Posts
December 05 2012 14:00 GMT
#419
On October 13 2012 21:52 shadogi wrote:
Apparently, MoWs problems with players hasn't finished yet. I guess someone recorded a fight between Desrow and the head of the house! It looks like food and professionalism in communications are the big challenges for MoW staff. Also, Desrow's comments about people acting like Jews, in Poland no less, is nothing short of appalling.

I didn't see this posted here, so feel free to delete this if I missed the original thread.

http://soundcloud.com/user92154011/mow-boss-food
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11dnjn/mow_boss_at_it_again/



I didnt read anything except 1 post...

First of all Ministry of Win is not a Polish representation of my country. This is unfair to generalise all Polish people because of one company who opened prohouse have communication problems with theirs clients. Its the same when I would choose one company from United States and I would make an opinion based on this company about all people in United States. Is it nice ?

About Desrow incident. I dont know what happened exactly but I wonder why other players dont complain about prohouse ?
Duval
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium144 Posts
December 05 2012 14:13 GMT
#420
On December 05 2012 23:00 AzoriuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 21:52 shadogi wrote:
Apparently, MoWs problems with players hasn't finished yet. I guess someone recorded a fight between Desrow and the head of the house! It looks like food and professionalism in communications are the big challenges for MoW staff. Also, Desrow's comments about people acting like Jews, in Poland no less, is nothing short of appalling.

I didn't see this posted here, so feel free to delete this if I missed the original thread.

http://soundcloud.com/user92154011/mow-boss-food
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11dnjn/mow_boss_at_it_again/



I didnt read anything except 1 post...

First of all Ministry of Win is not a Polish representation of my country. This is unfair to generalise all Polish people because of one company who opened prohouse have communication problems with theirs clients. Its the same when I would choose one company from United States and I would make an opinion based on this company about all people in United States. Is it nice ?

About Desrow incident. I dont know what happened exactly but I wonder why other players dont complain about prohouse ?


Look at the date sir...
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
December 05 2012 14:35 GMT
#421
just lower the rent and let players provide the food for themselves, problem solved.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
December 05 2012 14:37 GMT
#422
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.
User was warned for too many mimes.
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
December 05 2012 15:32 GMT
#423
Lol. Somebody bumps an old post, then people begins replying to 2 months old comments. Check the date of the comment you reply to perhaps.
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
December 09 2012 14:48 GMT
#424
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..
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Crue
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia47 Posts
December 09 2012 15:00 GMT
#425
On December 09 2012 23:48 desRow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..


Some people .. are of the opinion that Jews are a race
Self improvement is Maturbation
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
December 09 2012 15:08 GMT
#426
On December 09 2012 23:48 desRow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..

Apart from calling someone who's being stingy a "Fucking Jew"...
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
December 09 2012 15:10 GMT
#427
On December 10 2012 00:00 Crue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 23:48 desRow wrote:
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..


Some people .. are of the opinion that Jews are a race


And it is. Jews is an ethnical group of some sorts. There's a lot of debate over it though, but using racism towards differently skinned people, towards different country's population or towards different religion's believers, all feels like the same thing.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
December 09 2012 15:19 GMT
#428
?

This happened a month ago. Something new came up or what? I can't find the Update post.
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leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
December 09 2012 15:22 GMT
#429
As always morrow comes out on top
Passion
Profile Joined December 2003
Netherlands1486 Posts
December 09 2012 15:28 GMT
#430
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
December 09 2012 15:33 GMT
#431
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
FromShouri
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States862 Posts
December 09 2012 15:38 GMT
#432
On December 10 2012 00:08 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 23:48 desRow wrote:
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..

Apart from calling someone who's being stingy a "Fucking Jew"...


Being jewish isn't a race, its a religion, hence why there are "african jews" or "chinese jews" its not a "race" but rather a choice like Christianity and such.You're thinking of hebrew.
Limited Edition, lets do some simple addition, $50 for a T-Shirt is just some ignorant bitch shit.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
December 09 2012 15:52 GMT
#433
On December 10 2012 00:08 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 23:48 desRow wrote:
On December 05 2012 23:37 docvoc wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:25 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:03 desRow wrote:
I'd like to apologize to those whom I offended. Calling someone a Jew is inappropriate, I was obviously not thinking clearly. However, there is no acceptable excuse. I'm not a racist person, and I promise I will try to handle myself better in future situations. I hope you all accept my apology, and understand it was a mistake I made out of anger


People do not like racist comments. Period. I also learned the hard way buddy. Best thing to do is apologize, become a better person and move in. People will forgive over time.

At this point I'm not very close to forgiving. He has used that same slur over and over again. He hasn't learned his lesson and he is different than poeple like destiny who have a cult following of people who disregard the racial slurs because of cognitive dissonance. At this point I can't see des having a following of anyone that doesn't condone racial slurs since he has used them repeatedly. He has constantly said, I'll learn, but at this point he really hasn't.

WTF... I've never used racial slurs before..

Apart from calling someone who's being stingy a "Fucking Jew"...

I meant aside that. That guy was saying that I had several incidents of using racial slurs which is totally inaccurate. Sorry for expressing myself wrong in my first post.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 09 2012 15:56 GMT
#434
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
December 09 2012 15:57 GMT
#435
Just cause this thread got bumped doesnt mean it happened again. AFAIK this happened in October and is old news. Unless something new happened it needs to stay in its grave. Validating it with controversy is probably one of the worst things we can do. MorroW says it best - both parties were being immature. Nuff said.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 16:00:33
December 09 2012 15:59 GMT
#436
People who want to make esports bigger by being more friendly towards minorities killed esports.

I mean making comments in internet? Its not a big deal. I would understand if someone would bully you like that in person.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
December 09 2012 16:07 GMT
#437
On December 10 2012 00:59 Sea_Food wrote:
People who want to make esports bigger by being more friendly towards minorities killed esports.

I mean making comments in internet? Its not a big deal. I would understand if someone would bully you like that in person.


And now even this becomes about the death of e-sports.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
December 09 2012 16:08 GMT
#438
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
December 09 2012 16:17 GMT
#439
There is the human race, and different cultures. Stop this ridiculous debate.
.............
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 09 2012 16:19 GMT
#440
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.

How about you don't tell people what to and what not to get offended over? You are seriously an asshole.

User was warned for this post
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10115 Posts
December 09 2012 19:13 GMT
#441
On December 10 2012 01:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.

How about you don't tell people what to and what not to get offended over? You are seriously an asshole.

User was warned for this post


Why ? Because he told you the truth ? People are making a drama out of nothing, and most don't even know what they are speaking about. If you insulted somebody calling them a nerd because he is awkward i wouldn't jump at your throat because i am a nerd and the implication of the stereotype you just used should get me offended.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
December 09 2012 19:16 GMT
#442
On December 10 2012 04:13 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 01:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.

How about you don't tell people what to and what not to get offended over? You are seriously an asshole.

User was warned for this post


Why ? Because he told you the truth ? People are making a drama out of nothing, and most don't even know what they are speaking about. If you insulted somebody calling them a nerd because he is awkward i wouldn't jump at your throat because i am a nerd and the implication of the stereotype you just used should get me offended.


Come on, dont bully the guy who was warned. You know he is not allowed to answer your questions.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10115 Posts
December 09 2012 19:22 GMT
#443
On December 10 2012 04:16 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 04:13 Godwrath wrote:
On December 10 2012 01:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.

How about you don't tell people what to and what not to get offended over? You are seriously an asshole.

User was warned for this post


Why ? Because he told you the truth ? People are making a drama out of nothing, and most don't even know what they are speaking about. If you insulted somebody calling them a nerd because he is awkward i wouldn't jump at your throat because i am a nerd and the implication of the stereotype you just used should get me offended.


Come on, dont bully the guy who was warned. You know he is not allowed to answer your questions.


He's warned, not banned ;p
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 09 2012 19:37 GMT
#444
On December 10 2012 04:16 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 04:13 Godwrath wrote:
On December 10 2012 01:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:33 Xiron wrote:
On December 10 2012 00:28 Passion wrote:
Is making use of commonly known stereotypes of certain groups of people instantly racist, even if there's absolutely no hate or implications towards those people?

If someone would tell someone else "don't be so Dutch" when he's being cheap... all I could do is laugh. But if that's racist, then so is using the expression "going Dutch"... which is simply a part of the English language. Is English racist?

And yea, MoW seems to have a hard time getting things sorted. Maybe they should shut down and organise things properly before continuing business.


Some people want to be butthurt about anything.
Imagine every german would get upset about the use of the term 'grammar nazi'.. holy balls, good bye internet.


Actually there are a ton of Germans who get very fucking offended if you refer to them as Nazis or generalize Germans as Nazis. IDK how it's confusing that Jews would be offended when people generalize them as cheap. I guess those who are never subjected to racism just won't ever understand it. That's probably why racism will never completely fade away, too many people like this asshole who thing internet etiquette is ok and should be the norm.


You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.

How about you don't tell people what to and what not to get offended over? You are seriously an asshole.

User was warned for this post


Why ? Because he told you the truth ? People are making a drama out of nothing, and most don't even know what they are speaking about. If you insulted somebody calling them a nerd because he is awkward i wouldn't jump at your throat because i am a nerd and the implication of the stereotype you just used should get me offended.


Come on, dont bully the guy who was warned. You know he is not allowed to answer your questions.

Pretty sure he was warned for calling someone an asshole? Does not mean he cannot continue the stupid discussion in a civilized manner.
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Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
December 09 2012 19:40 GMT
#445
If you guys truly believe that there's nothing wrong with called someone a "fucking Jew" then I don't know what to say to you. Grow up and understand the way the world works. If you really can't think of better (read: more creative) things to say, you should probably just shut the fuck up.
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Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:11:22
December 09 2012 20:09 GMT
#446
On December 10 2012 04:40 Zennith wrote:
If you guys truly believe that there's nothing wrong with called someone a "fucking Jew" then I don't know what to say to you. Grow up and understand the way the world works. If you really can't think of better (read: more creative) things to say, you should probably just shut the fuck up.




you are right ... but dont distort whats being said ..if im am not mistaken. he didint actually said to a jewish man *fucking jew *he told a polish guy (that i dont think is jewish )that he was *a fucking jew * using the word jew in a pejorative way refering to being close to theyre money and as some resident of the house said, he seems to be right in that regards.then he is using a bad choice of word to express his idea. to wich he apologized
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:46:07
December 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#447
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.


Love stereotyping sorry I have no time to analyze 7 billion people, so whatever you nation, color, look, represent is
what you are stuck with in my books until I actually know you.

All the jews that are getting offended? you kidding me? As an Israeli citizen I can only tell you that you all have a severe case
of reverse racism problem and should perhaps look for professional help.

Back in the 90s when I went through schooling in jewland, I remember times my whole class would chant racist remarks while teacher was present and it was never a problem. or another example when my friend found out I was not jewish she was alot more shocked then when I found out that her brother was gay. got lol?

can see a thread close incoming.
I bought a pack of cigarettes for $20, What have you done for your country today?
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
December 09 2012 20:48 GMT
#448
On December 10 2012 05:45 QuackPocketDuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 01:08 Xiron wrote:
You don't understand. Nazis and jews are NOT the same category. You can compare 'jews are cheap' to 'germans are punctual', 'americans are fat', 'italians are short' and so on. NOBODY should get offended by any of those, because they are stereotypes. And stereotypes have, as anybody should know.. NO meaning. So don't get butthurt about stuff without meaning.


Love stereotyping sorry I have no time to analyze 7 billion people, so whatever you nation, color, look, represent is
what you are stuck with in my books until I actually know you.

All the jews that are getting offended? you kidding me? As an Israeli citizen I can only tell you that you all have a severe case
of reverse racism problem and should perhaps look for professional help.

Back in the 90s when I went through schooling in jewland, I remember times my whole class would chant racist remarks while teacher was present and it was never a problem. or another example when my friend found out I was not jewish she was alot more shocked then when I found out that her brother was gay. got lol?

can see a thread close incoming.


There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism does not only apply to minorities. All racism is racism.
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