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On October 14 2012 01:53 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:50 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Klipsys wrote:
look at most shock comics i.e bill hicks they usually have a fucking good point to make and shock comedy is the vehicle what stephano said was just disgusting for the sake of being disgusting.
There's no law that says you can't speak disgustingly to your friends. The only issue was it became public and he didn't want it to be. I think EG made the right call, but frankly people here need to lighten up. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape a child, he didn't do anything terrible except have sex with a younger person and then joke to bling about it. Big deal, worse shit happens daily. There is nothing beyond literally interpreting what he said to back this up. Okay and? You think someone rapes a child and then rushes home to tell his friends about it? Of course I'm going on what he said, there isn't anything else to go on! Stop saying he raped a child, first. Secondly, he stated it was a joke afterwards. Thirdly, even if it was true, we also don't know where this actually happened. If it was anywhere in the states, it would be statutory rape. If it was in some of the various countries of Europe, it could have been legal. EGStephano @EGStephanoRC
I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry ! So what's your point then? That I came to an obvious conclusion based on the given evidence? Thanks I guess?
No, that you're spreading misinformation by declaring your "obvious conclusion" with such certainty when it was extruded with no evidence.
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On October 14 2012 01:56 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:53 laee wrote:
wow he excused it and still got suspended. i wuld find anoother team. no, if anything EG acted very appropriately. For them to take no action would be silly and costly.
lolz u says he is guilty or smth. yet he just made a joke which you are free to think of. suspend someone for it is unappropriate.
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On October 14 2012 01:46 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
What's the age limit for France when it comes to have sex with teenagers? wiki says 15, but some people are saying it's 18 and some people online said it 13 so who the fuck knows. I think the french just call it "when she's ready"
It is 15. And it is not a sexual agression, it is a "Misdemeanor". And if the guy is under 18, any age is fine.
So legally he could have some trouble (the law says, up to 5 years in prison and 75000 EUR), assuming the girl or her parents press charge against him.
Now morally, I am a little bit troubled by all the fuss... Are there really that many people who think it is universally morally wrong to have sex with a 14 year old girl when you are 19 ?
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exaclty. would be so baller to change teawm  [/QUOTE]
haha yeah, true Stephano style. And Idra often write "go fuck yourself" when he is laddering. im sure he runs into 14 year olds all the time. But we all find that funny i guess?
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On October 14 2012 01:56 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:53 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:50 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Klipsys wrote:
look at most shock comics i.e bill hicks they usually have a fucking good point to make and shock comedy is the vehicle what stephano said was just disgusting for the sake of being disgusting.
There's no law that says you can't speak disgustingly to your friends. The only issue was it became public and he didn't want it to be. I think EG made the right call, but frankly people here need to lighten up. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape a child, he didn't do anything terrible except have sex with a younger person and then joke to bling about it. Big deal, worse shit happens daily. There is nothing beyond literally interpreting what he said to back this up. Okay and? You think someone rapes a child and then rushes home to tell his friends about it? Of course I'm going on what he said, there isn't anything else to go on! Stop saying he raped a child, first. Secondly, he stated it was a joke afterwards. Thirdly, even if it was true, we also don't know where this actually happened. If it was anywhere in the states, it would be statutory rape. If it was in some of the various countries of Europe, it could have been legal. EGStephano @EGStephanoRC
I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry ! So what's your point then? That I came to an obvious conclusion based on the given evidence? Thanks I guess? That isn't an obvious conclusion. Stop behaving like a damn computer.
lol
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Coz Idra's BM makes him a profittable tool. That's why he's still in EG even if being unsuccessful. And that's why this case is bs. No matter what Stephano would've said, if people contact sponsors to complain about anything about a player's behaviour somewhat offensive, that player will have to face consequences from the corporate system. This ain't E-sport anymore, and that's why it stinks.
And all the people sayin "it's ok, EG are paying him, he needs to settle down and act like an adult"... EG are actually using him to make profit. It's not a simple employee, coz he could win as much tournaments (thus money) by himself or in antoher team. It's not the casual "boss-subordinate relationship" that some of you elder posters would like it to be, coz it could make you feel "grown up, jesus this kiddo needs to be punished coz that's how things are supposed to be, yadi yada"...
And concerning the "don't joke about serious things coz you could hurt someone, if you do, you're being selfish"... Well, then we should all shut up and don't say anything. Great huh ? Laughing about serious stuff helps chillin and solves those problems.
Peace out, have a nice evening.
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deserved it imo, whether it's a joke or not, you can't say that stuff as a professional and have it be known by the public
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On October 14 2012 01:53 Revenger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:47 kvmetternich wrote:On October 14 2012 01:19 bigbadgreen wrote:1. it was not intended to be public.
2. ppl should not care. its his private stuff.
3. if some1 is offended due to talk about sexuality then its his problem.
1. it doesn't matter if it was intended to be private, it went public
2. it's not private anymore. people do care, he is a public figure representing a company who pays him3. it wasn't about sexuality, it was about child abuse. the joke wasn't about sex, it was about abuse, there is a very big difference. personally I'm not offended by it, it's obviously a joke but i do find it interesting that people can't wrap their heads around why a company would suspend somebody in this situation. this would happen in any workplace where a comment could cost a company money and this action stops that. I disagree.  So, there's the legitimacy to take YOUR private talks and give it to pubic and justify this with a laconic "Sorry, it went public". Seems legit and Big Brother would approve. Unfortunatelly, this is not 1984 Eurasia And no, it's not importart if you are a politician, an esport star or a private guy. Privacy is sacred is inviolable. If private stuff went public the guilty one is who make it public not the one who spoke. In this case the punishment is deserverd for the lack of attention 'cause the other guy was streaming and not for the joke itself. Sorry for my bad English So let me get this right. I will you give you an example. If a person at work has a chat with a friend and jokes about abuse with a minor. If these chat logs gets to the employer then it is not the person fault for having private chat with a friend and making inappropriate jokes? It is the employee responsibility to not be offending and make sure they are professional he can joke all he wants private but not when working. This is how I see it playing the game and streaming is your work and if you have any conversation that is offending during it you should be reliable for it.
It's a personal matter between the employer and the the worker . In any case there's no justification for make the logs public (via facebook, teamliquid etc.) 
And for sure, we dont stream our personal chat with friends and colleagues!
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fwould be intreesting to know if its even legal to suspend someone cuz of making jokes.
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On October 14 2012 01:58 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:46 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
What's the age limit for France when it comes to have sex with teenagers? wiki says 15, but some people are saying it's 18 and some people online said it 13 so who the fuck knows. I think the french just call it "when she's ready" It is 15. And it is not a sexual agression, it is a "Misdemeanor". And if the guy is under 18, any age is fine. So legally he could have some trouble (the law says, up to 5 years in prison and 75000 EUR), assuming the girl or her parents press charge against him. Now morally, I am a little bit troubled by all the fuss... Are there really that many people who think it is universally morally wrong to have sex with a 14 year old girl when you are 19 ?
Yes.
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On October 14 2012 01:34 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:28 Assirra wrote:On October 14 2012 01:26 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:25 Assirra wrote:On October 14 2012 01:01 laee wrote:On October 14 2012 01:00 Shagaire wrote:
I think many people need a reality check on what is acceptable in the real world when it comes down to working for someone. If you think his comments broadcast on a live stream are acceptable you are either incredibly immature or pretty retarded.
Joke or not it's out there and was punished at it should be. lolz @ work we joke allt he time about girlys and sex an what not. Are you a a famous person that saids he abused a minor? if you are not, then your statement has zero relevance. Yeah. Famous people obviously aren't allowed to make jokes. Relax guy, it's not a big deal random jokes and jokes about abusing a little 14 year old are 2 completely different things. Why is this so hard to understand. No, i'm sorry but you're wrong. Lots of people say a lot of really horrible things but they're still just jokes. Louis CK called sarah palin's cunt a retarded maker. That's horrible to say, but it's a joke. He also jokes about raping strangers and killing his kids. Jokes, Jokes, Jokes. Ever listen to opie and anthony, howard stern, bill maher etc? George Carlin called women who are pro life chicks you wouldn't want to fuck anyway. My mom died when I was 11 via suicide, and my friends and I make suicide jokes all the time. Because it's wrong, and because to me it's funny. That's just how I am, and a lot of people like that style of humor. What happened with stephano was: He made a joke that was terrible (in terms of subject matter) to a good friend via chat which he thought was private He realized bling was streaming Drama ensues. No one did anything wrong. He could have made a joke about eating an infant for all I care. The fact it was public was an accident. It's not like he went on MLG's stage and said "Love you sundance, but I need to go rape a child now hahahah" IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE. I think some of you here had horrible childhoods filled with overprotecting parents and bad comedy
You are comparing COMEDIANS that get payed to make jokes to someone that gets payed to make jokes.
Don't you realize that those are 2 completely different things?
Also if i was you i would punch those so-called friends but that is just me.
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On October 14 2012 02:02 kvmetternich wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:53 Revenger wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 kvmetternich wrote:On October 14 2012 01:19 bigbadgreen wrote:1. it was not intended to be public.
2. ppl should not care. its his private stuff.
3. if some1 is offended due to talk about sexuality then its his problem.
1. it doesn't matter if it was intended to be private, it went public
2. it's not private anymore. people do care, he is a public figure representing a company who pays him3. it wasn't about sexuality, it was about child abuse. the joke wasn't about sex, it was about abuse, there is a very big difference. personally I'm not offended by it, it's obviously a joke but i do find it interesting that people can't wrap their heads around why a company would suspend somebody in this situation. this would happen in any workplace where a comment could cost a company money and this action stops that. I disagree. So, there's the legitimacy to take YOUR private talks and give it to pubic and justify this with a laconic "Sorry, it went public". Seems legit and Big Brother would approve. Unfortunatelly, this is not 1984 Eurasia And no, it's not importart if you are a politician, an esport star or a private guy. Privacy is sacred is inviolable. If private stuff went public the guilty one is who make it public not the one who spoke. In this case the punishment is deserverd for the lack of attention 'cause the other guy was streaming and not for the joke itself. Sorry for my bad English So let me get this right. I will you give you an example. If a person at work has a chat with a friend and jokes about abuse with a minor. If these chat logs gets to the employer then it is not the person fault for having private chat with a friend and making inappropriate jokes? It is the employee responsibility to not be offending and make sure they are professional he can joke all he wants private but not when working. This is how I see it playing the game and streaming is your work and if you have any conversation that is offending during it you should be reliable for it. It's a personal matter between the employer and the the worker . In any case there's no justification to make the logs public (via facebook, teamliquid etc.) And for sure, we dont stream our personal chat with friends and colleagues!
If you are a private conversation listener, even if you have a contract to not disclose this conversation to public. For this kind of abuse talk, if you don't report to police, yourself will get into jail.
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On October 14 2012 01:57 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:53 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:50 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Klipsys wrote:
look at most shock comics i.e bill hicks they usually have a fucking good point to make and shock comedy is the vehicle what stephano said was just disgusting for the sake of being disgusting.
There's no law that says you can't speak disgustingly to your friends. The only issue was it became public and he didn't want it to be. I think EG made the right call, but frankly people here need to lighten up. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape a child, he didn't do anything terrible except have sex with a younger person and then joke to bling about it. Big deal, worse shit happens daily. There is nothing beyond literally interpreting what he said to back this up. Okay and? You think someone rapes a child and then rushes home to tell his friends about it? Of course I'm going on what he said, there isn't anything else to go on! Stop saying he raped a child, first. Secondly, he stated it was a joke afterwards. Thirdly, even if it was true, we also don't know where this actually happened. If it was anywhere in the states, it would be statutory rape. If it was in some of the various countries of Europe, it could have been legal. EGStephano @EGStephanoRC
I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry ! So what's your point then? That I came to an obvious conclusion based on the given evidence? Thanks I guess? No, that you're spreading misinformation by declaring your "obvious conclusion" with such certainty when it was extruded with no evidence.
Never spread any misinformation. Just said it was a joke taken out of context. Which it is, and was, and will always be. I thought people were under the impression he raped a girl and then laughed about it with bling. I don't think that's at all what happened because, that's a little weird for someone to do and it's outside the realm of most likely possibility. Although it is possible, the odds of it being the case over a simpler explanation are high
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On October 14 2012 02:06 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:57 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:53 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:50 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 rd wrote:On October 14 2012 01:45 Klipsys wrote:
look at most shock comics i.e bill hicks they usually have a fucking good point to make and shock comedy is the vehicle what stephano said was just disgusting for the sake of being disgusting.
There's no law that says you can't speak disgustingly to your friends. The only issue was it became public and he didn't want it to be. I think EG made the right call, but frankly people here need to lighten up. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape a child, he didn't do anything terrible except have sex with a younger person and then joke to bling about it. Big deal, worse shit happens daily. There is nothing beyond literally interpreting what he said to back this up. Okay and? You think someone rapes a child and then rushes home to tell his friends about it? Of course I'm going on what he said, there isn't anything else to go on! Stop saying he raped a child, first. Secondly, he stated it was a joke afterwards. Thirdly, even if it was true, we also don't know where this actually happened. If it was anywhere in the states, it would be statutory rape. If it was in some of the various countries of Europe, it could have been legal. EGStephano @EGStephanoRC
I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry ! So what's your point then? That I came to an obvious conclusion based on the given evidence? Thanks I guess? No, that you're spreading misinformation by declaring your "obvious conclusion" with such certainty when it was extruded with no evidence. Never spread any misinformation. Just said it was a joke taken out of context. Which it is, and was, and will always be. I thought people were under the impression he raped a girl and then laughed about it with bling. I don't think that's at all what happened because, that's a little weird for someone to do and it's outside the realm of most likely possibility. Although it is possible, the odds of it being the case over a simpler explanation are high
My apologies then, it sounded like you were implying it was true.
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On October 14 2012 02:03 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:58 hephaestos wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
What's the age limit for France when it comes to have sex with teenagers? wiki says 15, but some people are saying it's 18 and some people online said it 13 so who the fuck knows. I think the french just call it "when she's ready" It is 15. And it is not a sexual agression, it is a "Misdemeanor". And if the guy is under 18, any age is fine. So legally he could have some trouble (the law says, up to 5 years in prison and 75000 EUR), assuming the girl or her parents press charge against him. Now morally, I am a little bit troubled by all the fuss... Are there really that many people who think it is universally morally wrong to have sex with a 14 year old girl when you are 19 ? Yes.
... because... ?
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On October 14 2012 02:09 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:03 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 14 2012 01:58 hephaestos wrote:On October 14 2012 01:46 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
What's the age limit for France when it comes to have sex with teenagers? wiki says 15, but some people are saying it's 18 and some people online said it 13 so who the fuck knows. I think the french just call it "when she's ready" It is 15. And it is not a sexual agression, it is a "Misdemeanor". And if the guy is under 18, any age is fine. So legally he could have some trouble (the law says, up to 5 years in prison and 75000 EUR), assuming the girl or her parents press charge against him. Now morally, I am a little bit troubled by all the fuss... Are there really that many people who think it is universally morally wrong to have sex with a 14 year old girl when you are 19 ? Yes. ... because... ?
Because you don't see a lot of people from certain 3rd world countries posting on here now do you?
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On October 14 2012 02:00 Karsaib wrote:
Coz Idra's BM makes him a profittable tool. That's why he's still in EG even if being unsuccessful. And that's why this case is bs. No matter what Stephano would've said, if people contact sponsors to complain about anything about a player's behaviour somewhat offensive, that player will have to face consequences from the corporate system. This ain't E-sport anymore, and that's why it stinks.
And all the people sayin "it's ok, EG are paying him, he needs to settle down and act like an adult"... EG are actually using him to make profit. It's not a simple employee, coz he could win as much tournaments (thus money) by himself or in antoher team. It's not the casual "boss-subordinate relationship" that some of you elder posters would like it to be, coz it could make you feel "grown up, jesus this kiddo needs to be punished coz that's how things are supposed to be, yadi yada"...
And concerning the "don't joke about serious things coz you could hurt someone, if you do, you're being selfish"... Well, then we should all shut up and don't say anything. Great huh ? Laughing about serious stuff helps chillin and solves those problems.
Peace out, have a nice evening.
I hate EG more than most ppl but you cant act like Stephano is being "used" by EG. Stephano signed a contract with EG, he is getting payed and works for them. Whatever agreement they have with each other, Stephano agreed to it as a rational human being. Atleast we have to assume he did.
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On October 14 2012 01:58 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:46 Klipsys wrote:On October 14 2012 01:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
What's the age limit for France when it comes to have sex with teenagers? wiki says 15, but some people are saying it's 18 and some people online said it 13 so who the fuck knows. I think the french just call it "when she's ready" It is 15. And it is not a sexual agression, it is a "Misdemeanor". And if the guy is under 18, any age is fine. So legally he could have some trouble (the law says, up to 5 years in prison and 75000 EUR), assuming the girl or her parents press charge against him. Now morally, I am a little bit troubled by all the fuss... Are there really that many people who think it is universally morally wrong to have sex with a 14 year old girl when you are 19 ?
This is the Internet, the amount of basement dwelling neckbeard virgins to normal people is actually crazy disproportionate, most well adjusted people know that alot of people lose their virginities around 14, especially girls because they mature earlier then boys. Not to say I wouldnt give stephano shit for being a cradle robber, but only because its clearly not actually rape or anything even close to it. Thats also assuming he was actually bragging about a true event and not just making a joke.
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On October 14 2012 02:05 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:02 kvmetternich wrote:On October 14 2012 01:53 Revenger wrote:On October 14 2012 01:47 kvmetternich wrote:On October 14 2012 01:19 bigbadgreen wrote:1. it was not intended to be public.
2. ppl should not care. its his private stuff.
3. if some1 is offended due to talk about sexuality then its his problem.
1. it doesn't matter if it was intended to be private, it went public
2. it's not private anymore. people do care, he is a public figure representing a company who pays him3. it wasn't about sexuality, it was about child abuse. the joke wasn't about sex, it was about abuse, there is a very big difference. personally I'm not offended by it, it's obviously a joke but i do find it interesting that people can't wrap their heads around why a company would suspend somebody in this situation. this would happen in any workplace where a comment could cost a company money and this action stops that. I disagree. So, there's the legitimacy to take YOUR private talks and give it to pubic and justify this with a laconic "Sorry, it went public". Seems legit and Big Brother would approve. Unfortunatelly, this is not 1984 Eurasia And no, it's not importart if you are a politician, an esport star or a private guy. Privacy is sacred is inviolable. If private stuff went public the guilty one is who make it public not the one who spoke. In this case the punishment is deserverd for the lack of attention 'cause the other guy was streaming and not for the joke itself. Sorry for my bad English So let me get this right. I will you give you an example. If a person at work has a chat with a friend and jokes about abuse with a minor. If these chat logs gets to the employer then it is not the person fault for having private chat with a friend and making inappropriate jokes? It is the employee responsibility to not be offending and make sure they are professional he can joke all he wants private but not when working. This is how I see it playing the game and streaming is your work and if you have any conversation that is offending during it you should be reliable for it. It's a personal matter between the employer and the the worker . In any case there's no justification to make the logs public (via facebook, teamliquid etc.) And for sure, we dont stream our personal chat with friends and colleagues! If you are a private conversation listener, even if you have a contract to not disclose this conversation to public. For this kind of abuse talk, if you don't report to police, yourself will get into jail.
It's a good point.
But in this case, Bling is the sole person who can report in a private way the conversation to EG or police.
Unfortunatelly, Bling was streaming and the drama starts.
And we could discuss till the end of time if both players are "working"...
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