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On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.
If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.
"Supposed to be private" is completely different to "actually private"... When you are under a highly public company you need to be careful of anything you say, particularly on the internet. That's actually true for most proffessions.
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On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now.
It can be because where Stephano is from Statutory rape doesn't exist, nor does it in most of the world. In most places it is only considered rape when they do not consent. I don't know how many more times I can say this but rape is a word, just a word and because it is a word it has different meanings to different people. Your definition of what he was saying is different from someone else's, he never used the word rape and you shouldn't either.
I have said to my best friend on multiple occasions the following sentence "I proper abused my girlfriend last night" in which I meant we have very rough CONSENTUAL (sorry but had to put that in) sex. It is more than possible to have consentual sex, even with an of age girl and use the term abuse to mean many things. You have no idea what Stephano meant by it, in all honesty we have little idea whether it was a joke or not, we just assume it was.
If EG had any reason to suspect he was not joking and had actually had sex with a 14 year old girl, he would have been fired on the spot and they would know more about where he was and what he was doing than any of us.
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On October 13 2012 09:37 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:34 splasha wrote:
There are things you don't fucking joke about.
F U stephano No shit, if you know people are watching you wouldn't do that kind of humor. But everyone tells sick jokes among friends, especially when you're 19. F U for getting offended, seriously it's the internet.
so people are not supposed to be offended because it's the internet?
are you sick in the head? you're probably young. you need to educate yourself more.
this is about morale and what's right or wrong. internet has nothing to do with that.
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On October 13 2012 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
By definition, it is.
And I agree that not everyone finds the same things humorous. Some people probably found this funny. But when you're a professional who has to consider sponsors and the image of other people and your team and other organizations besides just yourself, making these kinds of comments don't do a good job of representing everyone. Because most people don't find arbitrary rape jokes (that don't appear to be jokes) funny... because getting raped isn't actually funny. It's a maturity thing >.>
Now see this is the problem with the professional image argument: he was speaking with consideration that it was a private conversation between him and Bling, not sitting on the Dreamhack couch with iNcontroL. Are you seriously going to tell me that celebrities maintain their public persona in the privacy of their own home? They don't. Stephano is straddling the line of becoming infamous for his brash nature and in fact stated in an interview after winning WCS Europe that part of his attitude was being fueled by the fans desire for some pseudo-controversy.
For those of you who think he was serious, do you think for one god damn minute that if the allegations turned out to be true all he would get would be a two week black out and a slight pay cut? No, he would be flown back to the United States to stand trial and/or get booted from the team. It was obviously a joke given his past history. For me personally, it seems as though he was gunning for some sort of shock value out of Bling which he obviously got. He continued on with his "MILF and children" comment and then realized his mistake.
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On October 13 2012 09:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this. Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading. I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching.
Yeah exactly, these are young arrogant immature gamer types, not polished professional PC athletes (who conversely say all the right things but fuck up in real life). What did you really expect?
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On October 13 2012 09:33 zidaneshead wrote:
Can't believe the amount of "Fuck you EG" posts in here. What do you think they were supposed to do?
Nothing, lol. emotional people are emotional. this story is funny
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Its sad to watch people argue over how bad a joke about inapropriate stuff is.
Do you even realize this only happens because trolls (yes trolls, and there is still some in this thread) spammed EG's sponsors ? If they weren't dependent on sponsors no one would give a shit about your political correctness.
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I suspected this would happen because of the complete lack of condescending tweets you normally get in regards to EG drama from the rest of the EG crew.
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On October 13 2012 09:40 AimlessAmoeba wrote:
Ugh. THEY'RE JUST WORDS. Don't suspend the most exciting player on your team for something like this.
Seriously. Part of what makes Stephano who he is is the gross shit that he says.
They're not just words, he clearly admitted to a serious crime...
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I think the whole community has overreacted to this. Not a big deal. It was just a PM to a friend.
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Good move by EG. Business is business and they had to act, regardless if it was a joke or not. Some things you don't just "joke" about anyways, especially not that..
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Man, if I was the best in the world at something before I went to a university I think I'd be a little messed up, too. He's a child without good social skills being treated like an adult, as he should be. Let's hope that Stephano didn't actually hurt a kid. It had better be a joke, cripes. That's a much different conversation. But saying offensive stuff is one thing, and saying offensive stuff to millions of people "by accident" is another. High profile means high profile, no matter the situation, and if you do the crime you pay the time. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If a tree falls in the forest--
Sorry, I got caught up in my proverbs.
Assuming this is truly a joke, Stephano's not a bad person because of what he said. Consider the world he's growing up in: The Internet. In the words of Louis C.K., "He's still learning, for fuck's sake." Hopefully he'll show some guile in the future, a little bit of flair for the discrete. EG did the right thing.
edit- StarStruck has the right idea.
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On October 13 2012 09:37 Fission wrote:
I am so sad at the number of people in this thread trying to differentiate between "legitimate rape" and statutory rape. Children cannot give consent, therefore it is rape. It is a criminal offence in every country I can think of, and the larger the age difference, the more likely it is that additional stronger charges (coersion by authority, exploitation etc) will be laid. Where you do rape apologists draw the line? When it's a 12 year old? When it's a 10 year old? Nowhere?
Yes the US LAW says it (or canadian whatever)
It's not standard in europe
IT IS NOT!
I know plenty of people who had a 14-16 year old girlfriend when they were 18-20.
Its really common actually, and nobody cares/cared.
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On October 13 2012 09:42 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:40 AimlessAmoeba wrote:
Ugh. THEY'RE JUST WORDS. Don't suspend the most exciting player on your team for something like this.
Seriously. Part of what makes Stephano who he is is the gross shit that he says. They're not just words, he clearly admitted to a serious crime...
Clearly? You have to be joking.
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On October 13 2012 09:42 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:40 AimlessAmoeba wrote:
Ugh. THEY'RE JUST WORDS. Don't suspend the most exciting player on your team for something like this.
Seriously. Part of what makes Stephano who he is is the gross shit that he says. They're not just words, he clearly admitted to a serious crime...
are you trolling, or serious?
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On October 13 2012 09:42 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:40 AimlessAmoeba wrote:
Ugh. THEY'RE JUST WORDS. Don't suspend the most exciting player on your team for something like this.
Seriously. Part of what makes Stephano who he is is the gross shit that he says. They're not just words, he clearly admitted to a serious crime...
What the hell, he did not "admit" to actually raping minors. He's just a creeper/putz
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lol only kidding but sucks for him, it happens. remain professional when professionalism calls for it(other people watching, like this time). doing otherwise, expect consequences.
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On October 13 2012 09:27 Sanders wrote:
In a large number of European countries this would have been a joke about sex between consenting adults (i.e. over the age of consent). Germany, Italy, and many more. And 14 is not a child... it's hardly even a nymphet.
Seriously, chill the fuck out. The only people this reflects poorly on here is EG management - go fuck yourselves.
I'm no lawyer, but as far as I remember from school (it's been a while...): in Germany someone 18 years or above (which is the threshold to be legally considered an adult here) having sex with a kid of below 16 years IS considered child abuse. Below 18 and I believe 14 and above(not sure here?) is legal though. So in this case, this would be illegal.
So - even if one believed he was actually joking, which he claimed only after it became known publicly, it seems - this is still a very distasteful joke. Seems to be an appropriate reaction by EG, sad thing there is so much immature shit all the time in SC2. Though, I think most other gaming communities are worse.
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so idra is protected by EG, and stephano isn't
unfortunate
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On October 13 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:39 StarStruck wrote:On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this. Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading. I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching. Yeah exactly, these are young arrogant immature gamer types, not polished professional PC athletes (who conversely say all the right things but fuck up in real life). What did you really expect?
Do like STX and only contract people who you have confidence in being mature and professional. If they are young then coach them on how to act. If they don't learn then let them go.
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