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On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words. Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA?
The only thing he said that is similar is David Kim should be raped with a tire iron. If he had said that about a female, then ShitRedditSays probably would have gone after him and he would have got suspended too.
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do people actually care/offended that he typed that?
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Why is so much of the discussion on rape? How have you all determined that anything even happened? He says it was a joke, who are you to decide it wasn't?
IMO, he wouldn't have used the word "abuse" or claimed to only like kids if he was serious. That's not the sort of thing you just come out with over Bnet. Also from BlinG's laughter you can clearly tell that he was sure it was a joke, and he actually knows Stephano, unlike the righteous indignation brigade.
Not saying it wasn't a shit joke and a dumb thing to say, but still.
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On October 13 2012 09:45 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:40 CodeskyE wrote:On October 13 2012 09:37 Gentso wrote:On October 13 2012 09:34 splasha wrote:
There are things you don't fucking joke about.
F U stephano No shit, if you know people are watching you wouldn't do that kind of humor. But everyone tells sick jokes among friends, especially when you're 19. F U for getting offended, seriously it's the internet. so people are not supposed to be offended because it's the internet? are you sick in the head? you're probably young. you need to educate yourself more. this is about morale and what's right or wrong. internet has nothing to do with that. Time and time and time again, prominent members of the "esports community" have excused their own immature behaviour by suggesting that esports are a young man's pursuit and the world should get used to the idea that you don't need to be refined and distinguished to be successful. And then of course, when someone crosses some imaginary line, the whole thing is reversed, and suddenly someone is too stupid, too reckless, too inflammatory to be accepted into the esports world. Funny how the word "rape" is somehow far over that line when it isn't even said, and meanwhile the word "rape" when explicitly said all over these forums is somehow alright.
what do you mean the "word" rape?
He admitted to have ACTUALLY abused a 14yo girl and then afterwards alluded to sexual intercourse.
You're a fool if you think that in any circle that is excusable.
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There are some pretty funny comments in this thread, but I can see why EG will not tolerate any of his comments. They were unprofessional and rather disturbing, especially if you are one of those people that don't understand satire.
Honesty at the same time, bad press is still press, so you can take it for what it's worth.
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On October 13 2012 09:47 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
LOL hope you didn't show this to anyone. I noticed you were streaming.
That is toooo funny
Funny... perhaps, but it's also the kind of impulsive behavior that could eventually, if the stars align unfortunately, bring down the whole gaming industry.
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On October 13 2012 09:48 Msr wrote:
do people actually care/offended that he typed that?
Many people here seem to care... That, however, is completely outside the real point of why EG did this
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On October 13 2012 09:46 Necosarius wrote:
Make a joke on a private chat between friends that happens to be streamed and lose a months salary. This community is way too sensitive.
And make a private post on facebook between work colleagues to later find out you have been fired because someone found it offensive and it is against company ethics.
Next time Stephano shouldn't say stupid shit to this degree if he doesn't want to lose a month's salary.
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On October 13 2012 09:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:44 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 13 2012 09:39 StarStruck wrote:On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this. Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading. I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching. Yeah exactly, these are young arrogant immature gamer types, not polished professional PC athletes (who conversely say all the right things but fuck up in real life). What did you really expect? Do like STX and only contract people who you have confidence in being mature and professional. If they are young then coach them on how to act. If they don't learn then let them go. I think it's obvious that Korea just has a better gaming culture, in attitude and skill, and when it comes to this kind of "humor." They don't need to be coached like this: "Okay guys, welcome to the team, but for the love of God, do not joke about being a pedophile. I can't stress this enough."
i think its obvious that koreans are trained to always "play the best for the fans" as i call it. They have no character, no rough edges. Thats why people like dragon and MC stand out so much. Thats also why stephano stands out so much.
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On October 13 2012 09:48 HotGlueGun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words. Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA? The only thing he said that is similar is David Kim should be raped with a tire iron. If he had said that about a female, then ShitRedditSays probably would have gone after him and he would have got suspended too.
David Kim is neither underaged nor female.
If you think there is no difference between saying "this guy should be raped with this wacky item" and "I fucked a 14 yo" then there is not arguement to be had with you.
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On October 13 2012 09:37 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now. The fact that anyone is making any argument one way or another without knowing exactly what went down when the conversation itself was posted in this thread is pretty dumb. Where does he say anything about a girl?
That's actually a really good point lol. I think he's straight and I think he's hit on women before... but I suppose he could have implied a boy instead of a girl o.O
On October 13 2012 09:38 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.
If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private. Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke. Okay I'm gonna stop you right there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape Having sex with an underage person is rape, because they can't give legal consent. Period. I agree that it was probably a joke (and a terrible one at that). But still. Rape. you keep saying rape even though you just explained its STATUTORY rape
That's a form of rape >.> Rape is sex without consent, whether it's legal consent or active resistance. I didn't say he held her down. Statutory rape is a subset of rape. (EDIT: It seems a lot of people replied to me the same way you did... assuming that I was referring to the wrong kind of rape. I have no idea why you and anyone else are equivocating definitions and then attacking me when you're using the wrong "rape". You're presenting a strawman argument to say he didn't commit *any* rape, when in actuality he committed one kind of rape and not another kind. Hypothetically, of course.)
On October 13 2012 09:40 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now. It can be because where Stephano is from Statutory rape doesn't exist, nor does it in most of the world. In most places it is only considered rape when they do not consent. I don't know how many more times I can say this but rape is a word, just a word and because it is a word it has different meanings to different people. Your definition of what he was saying is different from someone else's, he never used the word rape and you shouldn't either.
That's explicitly wrong. Age of consent exists in nearly every country throughout the entire world.
Here's a map depicting these ages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
Here's one more specifically of Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
For the record, age of consent in France is 15.
And it's statutory rape, and he knew it. And you know he knew it too, so please stop defending him. He said he's attracted to kids, and that he abused one.
I'm going to leave the thread now, because it's a little hard to juggle all the conversations, and I don't want to get heated. Sorry if there's anyone else who replied to me that I didn't respond to. You can PM me and I can reply to that a little later. ♥
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On October 13 2012 09:48 HotGlueGun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words. Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA? The only thing he said that is similar is David Kim should be raped with a tire iron. If he had said that about a female, then ShitRedditSays probably would have gone after him and he would have got suspended too.
That's just a balance whine. + Show Spoiler +It was pretty funny, too.
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On October 13 2012 09:48 HotGlueGun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words. Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA? The only thing he said that is similar is David Kim should be raped with a tire iron. If he had said that about a female, then ShitRedditSays probably would have gone after him and he would have got suspended too.
If that's what he said then it's clearly framed within a joke and not sexually motivated or the admission of being a sex criminal.
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On October 13 2012 09:47 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:45 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:44 morlakaix wrote:
so idra is protected by EG, and stephano isn't
unfortunate I must of missed something but did idra say something that was this bad? Like why do people keep referring to idra all the time when something happens? I know that idra can sometimes or comment bad mannered stuff in the games but something new must of happened? Idra said David Kim should get raped with a tire iron. I don't want to discuss which statement is worse. But this was entirely forced by people emailing the sponsors. Its really sad. Stupid trolls are killing esports.
idra is also very homophobic always use to call everyone a fag
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On October 13 2012 09:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:44 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 13 2012 09:39 StarStruck wrote:On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this. Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading. I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching. Yeah exactly, these are young arrogant immature gamer types, not polished professional PC athletes (who conversely say all the right things but fuck up in real life). What did you really expect? Do like STX and only contract people who you have confidence in being mature and professional. If they are young then coach them on how to act. If they don't learn then let them go. I think it's obvious that Korea just has a better gaming culture, in attitude and skill, and when it comes to this kind of "humor." They don't need to be coached like this: "Okay guys, welcome to the team, but for the love of God, do not joke about being a pedophile. I can't stress this enough."
"Better"? The majority of are anti social and lack confidence. Over 2 years in and there is still only 1 MC and a handful on guys confident enough to not have an awkward interview.
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On October 13 2012 09:46 leandroqm wrote:
Players have to STOP doing thissssssssss!!!
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Damn!! :/
Why?
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Naniwa. Stephano. What do these top gamers have in common? A badass attitude.
I really gotta start developing a badass attitude real soon.
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On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words. Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA?
No, people are just retarded. Ladder MB and no GGs =/= statutory rape jokes. However harmless both may be...
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On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words.
It's a proactive move by EG to control the drama on their terms.
There's a good chance this would have blown up on its own (as things tend to do) so EG got in first to mitigate any damage to them and their sponsors.
They made the right move.
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He used the word abuse, that makes his comments very bad, it doesn´t matter wether it happened or the age
There are many progamers than lack largely of any education check out this:
https://ja.twitter.com/LiquidNonY
Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY
man fuck gsl i got fucked on this world championship thing -_- boycott dat shit
3 oct Patrick Soulliere II Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond
@LiquidNonY Great post full of details on why to boycott it instead of a standard progamer QQ rage post. Oh wait.......
3 oct Tyler Wasieleski Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY
@ESVDiamond what the fuck do you know what twitter is lol 140char max aint no posts full of details and explanations. get real bitch
Here we have mr. Nony insulting the CES of ESV TV, you tell me it is like if a football player insulted the boss of UEFA lol
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