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Temerarious Trout
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
174 Posts
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#481
Oh dear. I really hope he just had too much beer.
Feel it first, think about it later
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#482
Stephano is probably just trolling us all
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Maxhster
Profile Joined March 2011
Fiji473 Posts
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#483
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words.
rawr
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 00:46:20
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#484
On October 13 2012 09:40 CodeskyE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:37 Gentso wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:34 splasha wrote:
There are things you don't fucking joke about.
F U stephano


No shit, if you know people are watching you wouldn't do that kind of humor. But everyone tells sick jokes among friends, especially when you're 19. F U for getting offended, seriously it's the internet.



so people are not supposed to be offended because it's the internet?

are you sick in the head? you're probably young. you need to educate yourself more.

this is about morale and what's right or wrong. internet has nothing to do with that.

Time and time and time again, prominent members of the "esports community" have excused their own immature behaviour by suggesting that esports are a young man's pursuit and the world should get used to the idea that you don't need to be refined and distinguished to be successful. And then of course, when someone crosses some imaginary line, the whole thing is reversed, and suddenly someone is too stupid, too reckless, too inflammatory to be accepted into the esports world.

Funny how the word "rape" is somehow far over that line when it isn't even said, and meanwhile the word "rape" when explicitly said all over these forums is somehow alright.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#485
On October 13 2012 09:42 nBk wrote:
Good move by EG. Business is business and they had to act, regardless if it was a joke or not. Some things you don't just "joke" about anyways, especially not that..

Or at least not publicly when you represent a company.. that's just how jobs work.. I don't see how people don't understand how public life works
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#486
On October 13 2012 09:44 morlakaix wrote:
so idra is protected by EG, and stephano isn't

unfortunate


I must of missed something but did idra say something that was this bad? Like why do people keep referring to idra all the time when something happens? I know that idra can sometimes or comment bad mannered stuff in the games but something new must of happened?
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#487
On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words.


Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA?
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Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#488
It is understandable from EGs point of view. What they are saying to their current, and potential future, sponsors is that if you give your money to them, your brand is in safe hands and that they will do everything within their powers to keep it that way. I bet that is always a big issue with sponsors and this is EG showing why they are one step ahead of others when it comes to team-sponsor relationships.

I also understand why they would go a little extra hard on Stephano, given his history. Treating him like a golden boy clearly didn't prevent these kind of mishaps on Mill, and to EG image is everything.
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#489
On October 13 2012 09:39 Larkin wrote:
Sigh. Guess people can't say what they like on the internet...


No one is stopping him from saying it. The company which pays him ~$100,000 is reprimanding him for something that unfortunately happened to sneak into the public eye.

Just because his job is to play a video game doesn't mean that the nature of his conduct shouldn't be held to a level of scrutiny seen in other industries. Be the funny, playful guy he is known to be, but cut the stupid, inflammatory bullshit.
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#490
On October 13 2012 09:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:35 m0ck wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable.



Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that.


Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder?


he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse


Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games?


He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o

He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead?

He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now.

He certainly did not say that he 'raped a girl'. Jesus Christ, do you realize how irresponsible it is to make that kind of conjecture?


Not quite as irresponsible as someone who thinks that having sex with an underage child isn't rape... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape

Or did you purposely not read my post for any meaning whatsoever? You don't need to write the word "rape" to mean "rape".


Having sex with a child is not rape unless she/he wants/initiates it. I realize if a older girl/guy convinces a minor into sex might be considered abuse since he/she uses the massive intelectual advantage over him/her but if not.....From a logical standpoint it's not rape, don't take law as your arbiter of truth since laws aren't allways correct. Sure this one makes sense most of the times but...You can't prove something is right because it is the law. Just like you can't reasonably prove that it's not okay for you to smoke a funny plant solely on the basis that it is against the law.
Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#491
On October 13 2012 09:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:35 m0ck wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable.



Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that.


Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder?


he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse


Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games?


He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o

He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead?

He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now.

He certainly did not say that he 'raped a girl'. Jesus Christ, do you realize how irresponsible it is to make that kind of conjecture?


Not quite as irresponsible as someone who thinks that having sex with an underage child isn't rape... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape

Or did you purposely not read my post for any meaning whatsoever? You don't need to write the word "rape" to mean "rape".

Oh, so what you mean to say is that it is "statutory rape", a legal term. Do you know the french term for the same offence? That would seem to be the relevant one here.. Unless, of course, your use of the word rape has nothing to do with the legal definition and you're simply playing to the word rape because of how loaded it is. In any everyday meaning rape implies the use of force..

But the bigger issue is your complete disregard of your own ignorance. You don't know anything about the context of their conversation, yet you are happy to conclude, on the basis of 5-6 lines of text, that Stephano is a rapist, or that he joked about being a rapist. That is on you. Judge and jury (though hopefully not executioner) in the same self-satisfied package.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#492
Make a joke on a private chat between friends that happens to be streamed and lose a months salary. This community is way too sensitive.
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France898 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#493
No real business here. That was a private joke. And people don't get irony. This is just some dudes who tryed to be justice defender, cause they can't do s**** IRL.
Ego always...
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
October 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#494
Players have to STOP doing thissssssssss!!!
...
Damn!! :/
What are you tinkering about?
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10348 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#495
On October 13 2012 09:44 Fyodor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:39 StarStruck wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this.


Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading.

I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching.

Yeah exactly, these are young arrogant immature gamer types, not polished professional PC athletes (who conversely say all the right things but fuck up in real life). What did you really expect?

Do like STX and only contract people who you have confidence in being mature and professional. If they are young then coach them on how to act. If they don't learn then let them go.

I think it's obvious that Korea just has a better gaming culture, in attitude and skill, and when it comes to this kind of "humor." They don't need to be coached like this: "Okay guys, welcome to the team, but for the love of God, do not joke about being a pedophile. I can't stress this enough."
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TheBrainiac
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#496
On October 13 2012 09:41 Parlortricks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

By definition, it is.

And I agree that not everyone finds the same things humorous. Some people probably found this funny. But when you're a professional who has to consider sponsors and the image of other people and your team and other organizations besides just yourself, making these kinds of comments don't do a good job of representing everyone. Because most people don't find arbitrary rape jokes (that don't appear to be jokes) funny... because getting raped isn't actually funny. It's a maturity thing >.>

Now see this is the problem with the professional image argument: he was speaking with consideration that it was a private conversation between him and Bling. Are you seriously going to tell me that celebrities maintain their public persona in the privacy of their own home? They don't. Stephano is straddling the line of becoming infamous for his brash nature and in fact stated in an interview after winning WCS Europe that part of his attitude was being fueled by the fans desire for some pseudo-controversy.

For those of you who think he was serious, do you think for one god damn minute that if the allegations turned out to be true all he would get would be a two week black out and a slight pay cut? No, he would be flown back to the United States to stand trial and/or get booted from the team. It was obviously a joke given his past history. For me personally, it seems as though he was gunning for some sort of shock value out of Bling which he obviously got. He continued on with his "MILF and children" comment and then realized his mistake.


Tbh, I don't think he got a shock value out of BlinG the way most people here are perceiving it. It looks to me that the reason BlinGs facial expression is due to the fact that Stephano said "I didn't realize you were streaming this". Not due to the fact that BlinG literally started to believe what Stephano was saying, unless you are mocking BlinGs intelligence that is... Nobody with at least a little bit of common sense would have took what Stephano said seriously in the least bit.

P.S. You should all get off your high horses as well, he is 19 years old, and he is no different then any of us here. We've all bad mannered people, been a dick to someone, or made an inappropriate joke in our lifetimes, probably more often then not. So please, for the love of god, stop making yourselves look like a bunch of ignorant fools. I can't believe there are people actually debating this, it was a JOKE, IT ENDS THERE!
I like the moment I break a man's ego.
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#497
Meh, EG is disappointing as usual. Not surprised.
Stormy
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#498
On October 13 2012 09:46 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:45 Maxhster wrote:
so should we email sponsors now because idra didnt get suspended? i mean why would they not apply the same standards to all of their players? is it because Stephano is better? because hes a european? why exactly does one get a suspension and the other didnt even get mentioned. For the same infractions in fact, a poor choice of words.


Alright wait, can someone explain to me why IdrA is being brought up so much here? Did something of reasonable similarity occur with IdrA?


Nope, just retarded fans who incorrectly try to relate two separate incidents.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#499
On October 13 2012 09:45 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:44 morlakaix wrote:
so idra is protected by EG, and stephano isn't

unfortunate


I must of missed something but did idra say something that was this bad? Like why do people keep referring to idra all the time when something happens? I know that idra can sometimes or comment bad mannered stuff in the games but something new must of happened?

Idra said David Kim should get raped with a tire iron.

I don't want to discuss which statement is worse.
But this was entirely forced by people emailing the sponsors. Its really sad. Stupid trolls are killing esports.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
October 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#500
LOL hope you didn't show this to anyone. I noticed you were streaming.


That is toooo funny
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