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On October 13 2012 09:35 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now. He certainly did not say that he 'raped a girl'. Jesus Christ, do you realize how irresponsible it is to make that kind of conjecture?
Not quite as irresponsible as someone who thinks that having sex with an underage child isn't rape... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
Or did you purposely not read my post for any meaning whatsoever? You don't need to write the word "rape" to mean "rape".
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On October 13 2012 09:34 splasha wrote:
There are things you don't fucking joke about.
F U stephano
No shit, if you know people are watching you wouldn't do that kind of humor. But everyone tells sick jokes among friends, especially when you're 19. F U for getting offended, seriously it's the internet.
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I have a feeling that this thread will be a never ending thread. Let's just move on now EG suspended him and that's it pretty much.
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On October 13 2012 09:26 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:25 babylon wrote:On October 13 2012 09:23 McDutch wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? isn't rape, having sexual intercourse of whatever, against their will?.. There is quite a difference.. a VERY big difference... even more when he's 19, and not 56... Rape is when you have sex with someone without their consent. There is a legal age of consent. Anyone under that age cannot give consent. Therefore, it is rape. Stephano is 19, she was 14. So yah... Pedo much.
In my country (an European country) age of consent is 14. So yeah, not rape if she gave consent.
People seem to be confusing "abused" with raped/had sex with. Abused actually has a lot of different meanings. Coming from someone that doesn't even speak English that well, he must likely went to the closest word in English.
Also age of consent varies between countries. In Europe it varies between 13 and 18. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
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On October 13 2012 09:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:30 Philozovic wrote:On October 13 2012 09:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 Philozovic wrote:
Dear EG,
You are a disgrace both for E-sport and for succes in general. Your entire business is not base on skill but on player image.
Well that's kind of the point, EG being the most powerful NA team because they have tons of sponsors and followers. As a corporate meeting video told me at the last staff meeting, "Perception is all there is," which is OBVIOUSLY wrong, but in the States, it's serious fucking business. It's kind of funny. For major athletes and celebs, the punishment/suspension/fines are not uncommonly bigger than the stories themselves (stupid shit like Spygate, or when someone tweets something stupid). They kind of draw more bad publicity by overreacting to it so terribly. On the other hand, if sponsors contact EG and say, "WTF is this shit, man," what choice do they have? Especially in an industry (ESPORTS!!!) that is not financially stable. Did you read everything ? they are a disgrace not because their players sucks but because their decisions seem randoms, read again my dear.  If it's not clear i'm sorry, I'm not verry good in English :'( Yeah, you gave your opinion and I gave mine. Kind of how these forums work, "dear."
Nop you didn't read mine
I said that either they knew that he was going to troll and then they shouldn't have ban him or they didn't and then they are a disgrace.
Buying stephano thinking he was going to act as a good boy is stupid, I totally understand the ban if he was somebody else. But as a exposure seller team the only role that stephano fit in is the troll drama queen one so absolutly no reason to ban him ....
And the my dear was quite friendly, sorry if it misslead you.
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On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now.
The fact that anyone is making any argument one way or another without knowing exactly what went down when the conversation itself was posted in this thread is pretty dumb. Where does he say anything about a girl?
How many of you are attacking simply because it was little Annie Smith from down the street you buy girl scout cookies from and not Joe Smith, her twin brother that breaks your windows all the time and sets lit bags with dog poop in them on your doorstep?
You guys can be all angry if you want, I agree he done goofed. Done goofed hard. But please, for the sake of a reasonably intelligent community, stop making shit up.
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On October 13 2012 09:35 igotmanatoblow wrote:How old is 15 really?I dont think all 14 years old girls are so innocent as we imagine them to be. It does not make it right, but there are plenty of very young girls dating much older guys.
That Chapelle stand up is one of the best routines ever haha
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I just wish the community would stop turning to sponsors in these types of situations. Its so incredibly toxic to the SC2 pro scene.
The worse part is the same people who email sponsors could probably care less about buying merchandise and turning off their adblock.
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On October 13 2012 09:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.
If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private. Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke. Okay I'm gonna stop you right there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape Having sex with an underage person is rape, because they can't give legal consent. Period. I agree that it was probably a joke (and a terrible one at that). But still. Rape.
you keep saying rape even though you just explained its STATUTORY rape
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Depends where you live.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
Obviously all those countries where the age is below 18 - does not mean they are rapists. I live in the UK and 16 is the legal age. Engliand the highest rate of teenage pregancies in Europe, the concern for most parents are their daughters not getting pregant rather than stopping them having sex.
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On October 13 2012 09:34 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable. Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that. Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder? he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games? He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead? He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now. Whoa now, slow your roll, you can't just say that its clear as day, as he did not explicitly say "I had sex with a 14 year old." Now he certainly IMPLIED it, fairly strongly, but there is a level of ambiguity in his statement that warrants a certain amount of discretion with regards to how it's interpreted.
From the point of view of an organization as large as EG, that doesn't matter. Most people took it as a reference to a sexual activity and Stephano certainly implied it was a sexual activity in the second screen shot. EG has a right to protect their reputation and assets and suspending Stephano was certainly within grounds.
Frankly, it is displeasing to see the level of fanboyism and bias from many posters here. Joke or not, this is what happens when you join multi-million dollar organizations that gain their profit from the promotion of their players.
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Sigh. Guess people can't say what they like on the internet...
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On October 13 2012 09:24 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:20 Dismay wrote:
You realize EG had to do something or else the community would threaten to email sponsors, right?
Because that's what you guys do. I thought they did? Wasn't there some thread on reddit/r/SRS about that?
Maybe. I don't read Reddit, I just know that any time a mob gets the chance to power trip they take it.
See: Destiny at Gigabyte LAN/getting kicked from ROOT and the orb fiasco.
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On October 13 2012 09:38 Angelbelow wrote:
I just wish the community would stop turning to sponsors in these types of situations. Its so incredibly toxic to the SC2 pro scene.
The worse part is the same people who email sponsors could probably care less about buying merchandise and turning off their adblock.
yeah i agree. People that is emailing sponsors are just there to destroy it for the players. Like so many in this thread have said just let EG handle it..
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On October 13 2012 09:33 Mouzone wrote:
It must be a nightmare running a company and being surrounded by unpredictable people who at any point can pull off shit like this.
Most of the players are either young teenagers or young adults. They have to grow up rather fast and in many cases they need to be coached on how to conduct themselves as a pro athlete especially considering gamer language has always been low brow and degrading.
I certainly don't see teams giving them PR coaching.
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What the hell is EG thinking?
This is at most a tens of millions industry that has hardly shown any growth this year and EG decides to keep someone who admitted to molest children? A NFL quarterback got jail time for messing with dogs, the most famous golfer in the world lost endorsements for cheating on his wife, because you know, people care about this stuff. This is not about players but winners, do the smart thing and fire him then pick up whoever is the next star. It's not like EG is going to be outbid anyway.
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Perfectly understandable. That screenshot on page one looks pretty damning. Good on ya, EG.
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On October 13 2012 09:32 SilSol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:30 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.
If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private. Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke. how do you figure he "said it as a joke"? Someone posted his twitter response. "EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry !" Where do i not see the word "joke" in there?
Thanks for posting that but I still think he should be banned and investigated. Apologizing after the fact is different from clearly framing his comments in the context of a joke. Which they weren't.
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Ugh. THEY'RE JUST WORDS. Don't suspend the most exciting player on your team for something like this.
Seriously. Part of what makes Stephano who he is is the gross shit that he says.
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