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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 13 2012 00:28 GMT
#401
On October 13 2012 09:19 magnaflow wrote:
Hope he used protection, wouldn't want that poor little girl to catch the curse

That's the best post on this thread.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7291 Posts
October 13 2012 00:28 GMT
#402
On October 13 2012 09:19 McDutch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:16 Zambrah wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:12 McDutch wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:10 Insoleet wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:06 McDutch wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:03 hagrin wrote:
I can't decide as one of the older people here what's funnier -

1) Those trying to rationalize having sex with a minor
2) Those saying that child rape jokes are funny
3) Those who can't read a calendar and can't even figure out the length of the ban correctly
4) Seeing where the poster is from and then not being surprised by the content of the post
5) Those who still haven't figured out that there's more public scrutiny now than ever and you are responsible for everything you say no matter the context since the Internet won't care about context long-term.

Also, question - if sex with a 14 year old is funny, what about 12? How about 9? I want to know where the line is so I know how to craft my "jokes" for maximum effect.

Violentacrez approves of Stephano's joke (as he cries that his life is now ruined now that he's been outed).


When fooling around with your good friends, there is no line really...because everyone knows all the jokes are pure bullshit.. and because it's such alot of bullshit, it funny.. EVERYONE knows ur not serious..


Its funny how the mentality between EU and US is so much different...


We like to laugh and joke around with friends ^^ they should try it out aswell.. their lives would be so much more fun.. instead of being butthurt about every little thing..


We're like that. :< Just the people that aren't a really, really vocal about it.

Anyways, I can see why EG did this, but maybe its only because I'm not a Reddit kind of guy, but this issue really didn't seem to blow up the proportions where it would be expected that Stephano would get punished in some way. Maybe it was just enormous on Reddit though and just didn't bleed over into TL for some reason.

Anyways, a DAMN SHAME that I won't get to see any Stephano in the GD Invitational or Dreamhack. :<


so why are still so many people butthurt, while u state here that u guys are the same... sounds kinda hypocritical doesn't it?


Because the ones that are butthurt tend to be the ones that are also very vocal.

At this point this sort of action with regards to any sort of offensive statement is just... eh. After Orb and Destiny and shit I almost expect the same vocal people to flip their shit and get a player punished. In this case I can certainly see how this is worthy of punishing Stephano, thats a joke that really isn't supposed to go past friends, and unfortunately it wound up on stream, which is past friends. I make worse jokes than that on a regular basis with my friends, but I'm not under public scrutiny. Luckily for me.

Anyways, not all of the US is so RAGGLEFRAGGLE, a lot of us make offensive jokes with our friends, but a fair amount of the US is also pretty RAGGLEFRAGGLE, and the RAGGLEFRAGGLE is in caps for a reason. ;-P
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 00:29 GMT
#403
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 00:29:59
October 13 2012 00:29 GMT
#404
Look I don't like Stephano, he is obviously still a gamer putz, but this story is a little stupid.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
October 13 2012 00:29 GMT
#405
On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.


There is no such thing as a bad joke.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#406
Finally a little discipline from EG.
esports
Defenestrator
Profile Joined October 2011
400 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#407
I don't know if what he said is that big a deal (assuming he was joking, of course). Plenty of people make fucked up jokes all the time.

However, it's a good idea to hold professionals to a higher standard. This is done across all professional sports - basketball, football, etc. If esports wants to be taken seriously, then their professionals should conduct themselves appropriately when they are in the public eye. Stephano made a stupid mistake in that he didn't know that Bling was streaming... I guess he has to be more careful. It's not necessarily fair, but at the same time the punishment isn't THAT huge.
Ultras and banelings go together like peas and carrots
zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#408
On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.


Says who?
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#409
On October 13 2012 09:28 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:19 magnaflow wrote:
Hope he used protection, wouldn't want that poor little girl to catch the curse

That's the best post on this thread.


Ahahah :D
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#410
The analogies coming out of this thread for arguments are just atrociously bad.
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 00:30:55
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#411
On October 13 2012 09:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:19 Philozovic wrote:
Dear EG,
You are a disgrace both for E-sport and for succes in general. Your entire business is not base on skill but on player image.


Well that's kind of the point, EG being the most powerful NA team because they have tons of sponsors and followers. As a corporate meeting video told me at the last staff meeting, "Perception is all there is," which is OBVIOUSLY wrong, but in the States, it's serious fucking business.

It's kind of funny. For major athletes and celebs, the punishment/suspension/fines are not uncommonly bigger than the stories themselves (stupid shit like Spygate, or when someone tweets something stupid). They kind of draw more bad publicity by overreacting to it so terribly. On the other hand, if sponsors contact EG and say, "WTF is this shit, man," what choice do they have? Especially in an industry (ESPORTS!!!) that is not financially stable.


Did you read everything ? they are a disgrace not because their players sucks but because their decisions seem randoms, read again my dear.
If it's not clear i'm sorry, I'm not verry good in English :'(
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Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#412
On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.

how do you figure he "said it as a joke"?
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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#413
On October 13 2012 09:25 Zer atai wrote:
"More careful in the future" I'd like to know that means

Don't make these jokes when the close friend you're telling them to is streaming I guess.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#414
On October 13 2012 09:18 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:10 emythrel wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:03 Insoleet wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:00 creamyturtle wrote:
On October 13 2012 08:59 Insoleet wrote:
On October 13 2012 08:58 creamyturtle wrote:
Still can't tell if Stephano joking or statutory raping...


Abuse does not means rape in french. I dont know why every US people thinks he said "Hey bro, i raped a girl last night !"

lol.


Statutory rape implies consensual sex with a minor. NOT actual rape, fool.


Ok so i dont know all details of US English, sorry my bad.

But still, why do american talk about "Rape" for "having consensual sex with a minor" ?! Thats kind of strange.

Statutory sex would match more the situation..


In the US you aren't able to consent until you are 18...... Apparently you are capable of being in control of a possibly deadly weapon (A Car) at 16 but not able to decide what to do with your body until 18. Where I live, consentual sex with a minor is called "Intercourse with a Minor" when in legal terms, its only rape when you actually can prove they didn't consent. Anywho, rape just a word people like to use to get a visceral point across.

Pretty sure he didn't have sex with a 14 year old, especially since I would guess he was at the EG lair at the time in question. Totally within the bounds of EG to fine him, agree that they should do so as they are a professional organisation. However, I think he has the right to saw whatever he wants (within reason) and anyone getting on his case apart from EG and their sponsors are morons..... he has a contract with EG, not anyone else. You do not get to decide what he says or does and you certainly don't get to judge whether or not he was joking


That is so wrong it's just hilarious. Each state has an age of consent. If you are 16 in say Maryland, you can have sex with anyone older than you. It's when you're below that that issues pop up. Like here if you're 14, the oldest person you can have sex with is 17 because they're within 3 years of you.

But you don't have to be 18, each state has their own age of consent.


I apologise for my inaccuracy but the fact that in one country moving a few miles in one direction can suddenly make having sex with the same person legal is far more hilarious than my mistake (which btw is based off the fact that in every american TV show, they always refer to the age of consent as 18).

Anywho my point wasn't about the age of consent it was about terminology. In the US its called "statutory rape" in the UK its called "intercourse with a minor", which sounds worse? Rape is a word used to illicit visceral feelings and is a very loaded term, if you are convicted of rape, even if it's because the girl consented but was a month too young... you are a bad guy.

The only things being blown of out proportion here is what Stephano said and did. He made a joke, he got fined as he should. Then the morality train derails everything and expects everyone else in the world to live to their standards.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
October 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#415
wp EG, but going to Korea to train instead of participating in tournaments? is that really a loss for him?
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Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
October 13 2012 00:31 GMT
#416
On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.

There is no reason to be ignorant in the information age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 13 2012 00:31 GMT
#417
Pro at SC2, total noob at RL lol
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
October 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#418
On October 13 2012 09:30 Philozovic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:19 Philozovic wrote:
Dear EG,
You are a disgrace both for E-sport and for succes in general. Your entire business is not base on skill but on player image.


Well that's kind of the point, EG being the most powerful NA team because they have tons of sponsors and followers. As a corporate meeting video told me at the last staff meeting, "Perception is all there is," which is OBVIOUSLY wrong, but in the States, it's serious fucking business.

It's kind of funny. For major athletes and celebs, the punishment/suspension/fines are not uncommonly bigger than the stories themselves (stupid shit like Spygate, or when someone tweets something stupid). They kind of draw more bad publicity by overreacting to it so terribly. On the other hand, if sponsors contact EG and say, "WTF is this shit, man," what choice do they have? Especially in an industry (ESPORTS!!!) that is not financially stable.


Did you read everything ? they are a disgrace not because their players sucks but because their decisions seem randoms, read again my dear.
If it's not clear i'm sorry, I'm not verry good in English :'(

Yeah, you gave your opinion and I gave mine. Kind of how these forums work, "dear."
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44257 Posts
October 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#419
On October 13 2012 09:24 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:22 PviLLe3 wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:21 zidaneshead wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:19 SilSol wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:18 Fission wrote:
I support EG's move completely. Personally, I am deeply saddened by those in the starcraft community who are defending stephano stating/joking that he raped a child. It's inexcusable.



Still.. he didn't say that he "raped" a child. You should read a bit more before you post like that.


Are you dense? He essentially admitted to having sex with a 14 year old girl. That is by definition statutory rape. Are you telling me if I shoot someone but don't explicitly state that I murdered him that means I didn't commit murder?


he used the word abused, maybe he meant his niece made a mess in his kitchen and he slapped her, thats abuse


Or maybe he abused kids in Starcraft? Like how people say that they rape noobs in games?


He didn't say "rape", but he clearly implied it. There's no argument over this whatsoever o.o

He said he's attracted to kids and that he abused a 14 year old girl. Even Bling picked up on the fact that that means sexual abuse, rather than any other abuse. What, he's gonna hit her instead?

He said he raped a girl, clear as day. Now, the argument can surely be made that he was joking/ trolling, but the argument cannot be made that he wasn't talking about statutory rape. Come on now.
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#420
On October 13 2012 09:30 Fyodor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 09:29 SilSol wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:28 Fyodor wrote:
Did he really rape a girl? If he did, his contract needs to be terminated ASAP and be thrown in jail.

If he was kidding around and being a tard on the internet then EG is acting outside of their bounds suspending him for a series of comments that were supposed to be private.


Please he never said he "raped" a girl he said he had sex with a 14 year old girl and he said it as a joke which means its not true. But still a bad joke.

how do you figure he "said it as a joke"?


Someone posted his twitter response.

"EGStephano ‏@EGStephanoRC
I would like to apologize for my conversation with @dignitasBlinG during his stream. It was just a private joke, nothing serious, sorry !"

Where do i not see the word "joke" in there?
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