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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:10 ImadeThisForYou wrote: You gonna tell me how to speak my own language netherlander? Allright props to you but.. the ' goes after the period anyway. K enough of the buzz kill. 'Allright' isn't a word. It's either all right or alright. But whatever. moar GG moar skill. | ||
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Churchill
United Kingdom84 Posts
In the UK currently, many people are coming forward concerning the systematic abuse of children by an (in)famous former TV presenter over the course of decades. This man was allowed to perpetrate these crimes despite numerous warning signs and it being an open secret among his coworkers and childcare administrators around the country. Although, of course, saddened and disgusted by his crimes, it seems even more heinous to me that such a cult of personality can exist where someone who is well known and liked by the populace can commit crimes that are ignored. I'm not comparing the actions of Stephano with this man, however I would point out that Starcraft 2 is a community, and as such it is up to its members to protect and nourish it. When something like this is said and available for public consumption (whether meant or not) it is up to us to stand up and say that's not right. I would also point out that many members of our community are underage themselves, and an influential player such as Stephano must be held to a high standard as an example to them, and also to us. If indeed Stephano's comments were made in a moment of indiscretion and bad taste, then a fine, ban, and public apology are good enough for me. If there are circumstances behind the comments, then that's a case for the authorities. Let's be clear, we all make mistakes (even super nerds). Learning from them and growing up is all part and parcel of life. Complicity through silence is something, as a community, we must NOT do. | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
Also, when you start correcting someone's grammar, that's when you've lost the argument. That means you lost it as fast as possible. Congratulations. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:23 Antylamon wrote: @Henk Ever heard of typos? Also, when you start correcting someone's grammar, that's when you've lost the argument. That means you lost it as fast as possible. Congratulations. Please read the conversation before commenting on it. Thanks. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:22 Churchill wrote: I'm shocked and saddened to see so many people either defending or nonchalantly disregarding Stephano's comments. While the context of this "joke" is unknown and therefore open to debate, I cannot think of any situation where the abuse of a minor (actual or implied) is amusing. In the UK currently, many people are coming forward concerning the systematic abuse of children by an (in)famous former TV presenter over the course of decades. This man was allowed to perpetrate these crimes despite numerous warning signs and it being an open secret among his coworkers and childcare administrators around the country. Although, of course, saddened and disgusted by his crimes, it seems even more heinous to me that such a cult of personality can exist where someone who is well known and liked by the populace can commit crimes that are ignored. I'm not comparing the actions of Stephano with this man, however I would point out that Starcraft 2 is a community, and as such it is up to its members to protect and nourish it. When something like this is said and available for public consumption (whether meant or not) it is up to us to stand up and say that's not right. I would also point out that many members of our community are underage themselves, and an influential player such as Stephano must be held to a high standard as an example to them, and also to us. If indeed Stephano's comments were made in a moment of indiscretion and bad taste, then a fine, ban, and public apology are good enough for me. If there are circumstances behind the comments, then that's a case for the authorities. Let's be clear, we all make mistakes (even super nerds). Learning from them and growing up is all part and parcel of life. Complicity through silence is something, as a community, we must NOT do. Do you actually really believe in what you just wrote? If so, I pity you very much sir! Making jokes with friends about "taboo" topics is kinda standard. Imo the penalty is kinda harsh tho I can understand it from a business point of view. But it is kinda sad that a joke which was meant for privacy gets out like this and makes such a mess and fuss. | ||
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Churchill
United Kingdom84 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:33 bluQ wrote: Do you actually really believe in what you just wrote? If so, I pity you very much sir! Making jokes with friends about "taboo" topics is kinda standard. Imo the penalty is kinda harsh tho I can understand it from a business point of view. But it is kinda sad that a joke which was meant for privacy gets out like this and makes such a mess and fuss. I'm not sure how many friends I'd have left if I went around telling them I had sex with 14-year-olds. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Are molestation or rape worse than murder? | ||
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oBlade
United States5755 Posts
On October 14 2012 09:51 CaneCorso wrote: Obviously there are a lot of people who are unhappy with Stephano. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be over 100 pages long. From your point of view SRS picks up the subject and people magically start changing their opinions in a "snowball effect". Are those SRS guys wizards, capable of mind control? This is something people just wouldn't give a shit about were it not for SRS emailing sponsors -> EG responds. Now, it's being marketed as controversy and sold to you. The reason I can tell nobody actually gave a shit is because it's something Stephano said some words on battle.net a week ago which ended up in a Dignitas player's stream. And before this thread/release by EG, people that weren't on SRS weren't talking about this or raising a stink because it's as inconsequential as can be. I don't think a snowball effect is that unheard of that you have to pretend it takes mind control. Yes, now that something has actually come of what he said (i.e., he was suspended), everyone is going to chip in their two cents. People were too busy actually watching and playing Starcraft games before. | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:41 Churchill wrote: I'm not sure how many friends I'd have left if I went around telling them I had sex with 14-year-olds. And I'm not sure if you know what a joke defines and what humor is all about. Sad world if people can't even laugh anymore. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
It's like there's this old/stupid idea that whatever you do or say on the internet doesn't count, well guess what people, it does. How many people got fired or got in trouble for saying stupid sh*t on twitter for example? Same thing here, people should think twice before speaking, doesn't matter if it's on the internet: if you wouldn't say it in real life (pretty sure Stephano wouldn't joke he raped a child in real life) then don't say it online either, period. | ||
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eXePensai
Canada56 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:41 Churchill wrote: I'm not sure how many friends I'd have left if I went around telling them I had sex with 14-year-olds. ROFL man go back to r/srs, and honestly, if your friends are going to not be your friends for making a 'taboo' joke about something, you need to get some new friends and lighten the fuck up. My friends and I make 'taboo, inappropriate, legally questionable' comments and jokes all the time, and it's a WELL known fact, that people joke in this manner a lot. For the love of god man. . . I read all of your posts, and just /facepalmed my way through them. This is utterly ridiculous. Go back to reading your beloved Bible, "Churchill" | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:22 Churchill wrote: I'm shocked and saddened to see so many people either defending or nonchalantly disregarding Stephano's comments. While the context of this "joke" is unknown and therefore open to debate, I cannot think of any situation where the abuse of a minor (actual or implied) is amusing. In the UK currently, many people are coming forward concerning the systematic abuse of children by an (in)famous former TV presenter over the course of decades. This man was allowed to perpetrate these crimes despite numerous warning signs and it being an open secret among his coworkers and childcare administrators around the country. Although, of course, saddened and disgusted by his crimes, it seems even more heinous to me that such a cult of personality can exist where someone who is well known and liked by the populace can commit crimes that are ignored. I'm not comparing the actions of Stephano with this man, however I would point out that Starcraft 2 is a community, and as such it is up to its members to protect and nourish it. When something like this is said and available for public consumption (whether meant or not) it is up to us to stand up and say that's not right. I would also point out that many members of our community are underage themselves, and an influential player such as Stephano must be held to a high standard as an example to them, and also to us. If indeed Stephano's comments were made in a moment of indiscretion and bad taste, then a fine, ban, and public apology are good enough for me. If there are circumstances behind the comments, then that's a case for the authorities. Let's be clear, we all make mistakes (even super nerds). Learning from them and growing up is all part and parcel of life. Complicity through silence is something, as a community, we must NOT do. Mentioning the Jimmy Saville case in relation to this is just beyond ridiculous. Are you really, seriously comparing systematic abuse over decades of disabled children with making a joke to a friend in a private chat log? Really? | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:41 Churchill wrote: I'm not sure how many friends I'd have left if I went around telling them I had sex with 14-year-olds. Probably no less than you currently have. AKA 0. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On October 14 2012 11:14 Orracle wrote: Probably no less than you currently have. AKA 0. Why are people so mean in this thread? Serriously. Obviously he just has a group of friends with standards equal to EG. Why is it so hard for people to understand the some organizations hold their people to to higher standards than others. | ||
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DMII
Germany92 Posts
However, there wasn't really anything humorous, which I can spot in there. Maybe you can only laugh about it if you actually know him, which is pretty likely, since he didn't expect that it would be on a stream. (And it is even more unlikely that it wasn't a joke, because then telling anyone who has a shred of human decency is simply idiotic.) In my eyes it's a joke that went way too far and the consequences are something he deserved without question. It simply crossed way too many lines. | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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Karsaib
France17 Posts
But that 14 year old really really loves him, chigga chigga chigga tunisian, slim shady, I'm sick of him, look at him, raping around, laughing his you know what, trolling his you know who ! Yeah but he's so cute though... EG prolly got a couple of screws up in their heads loose, but no worse than what's going on in your *self-censorship in action*... Great, duh To the corporate world, that treat human beings like shit, coz acting like actual human beings may harm their lil' profit, and would rather turn them into slavery slot machines (example : Let's take that charming DeMusliM stating "his awesome Monster drink helps him playing like a BAUS." Well, THIS makes me uncomfortable, THIS is disgusting, fuck it about that Stephano thing, don't give a damn 'bout a 19 year old bragging about his sex life. Been there too...), as long as they remain quite, obey orders and don't get too far away from the rows a lot of people here belong to too, well to those people, to this system, my bum is on your lips, so you might as well give it a little kiss... Peace on the streets, son ! SMOOCH ! EDIT : Oh, I forgot to mention "corporate world that shouldn't be concerned about private stuff, instead of acting like dat big brother. Yeah, who'd want that. Even if apparently some people here may see it as ok. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a damn shit about wether or not Stephano was trolling or not. Or joking or anything. Sexual conversations between YOUNG friends should remain private so chill and enjoy a good drink... | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
If the top foreigner in our scene has this cloud of potentially being a pedophile do you think anyone in mainstream culture will give our community an ounce of interest? No, they won't. They'll right us off as a bunch of sick twisted men who refuse to grow up and be productive members of society. And it really doesn't matter if their perception is at all accurate or not, because we've given them the ammunition they need to justify it. Personally I find this sort of behaviour makes me really uncomfortable. I haven't ever been a huge fan of Stephano, I think a lot of his shenanigans are in bad taste, but I know he's a great player and I like that he brings a little flare to the scene. I know people like him are important in growing our game. But this whole situation has done nothing to assail my discomfort with his extracurricular activities. In fact it turns me from just being indifferent to him, but recognizing his worth, to disliking him. I've never been a fan of EG overly much either, I like some of their players, but have just never been enthralled by them the way most North Americans are. When they picked up Stephano though I thought they were really going to regret it. He can't be kept on a leash, and EG, who already has a somewhat negative player reputation doesn't need any more. I don't think we should excuse his behaviour. Just like anyone else in the world he should be held accountable for his actions. | ||
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