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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
October 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#2181
On October 13 2012 08:31 Iodem wrote:
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Evil Geniuses wrote:
What curse?



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On October 13 2012 08:29 Sumahi wrote:
I need some context. What did he say?

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Old...

but LOL that was funny
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
October 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#2182
Man, I wish the places I've worked at where as lineant as EG. If I made a joke about raping a 14 year old at work (in French when you say you abuse a child the connotation is that it's sexual abuse, so as a native French speaker that's how I read Stephano's comment) I would be out of a job the second management got wind of it.

And before anyone says anything, yes, Stephano made those comments at work. His job is to play StarCraft. And, if I may add, he is presumably payed a lot of money to do so. You can say it was between friends all you want, when you are on the clock there are things you just can't do, even when around friends. Making casual jokes about rape, especially the rape of a minor, is one of them.

Frankly, Stephano is lucky he is so hard to replace for EG. In "the real world" he'd be out of a job.
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
October 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#2183
[–]brucemo 4 points 2 hours ago (4|0)
"I might only be interested in milfs and kids now"
The difference is not huge, but the second one is less coherent.
I mean, let's step away from point scoring thing and ask what he really truly meant by that. I have no idea, personally. I can't imagine saying that in any context, regardless of what was going on in my brain. I don't know if there is previous conversation between these two people that makes sense out of that.
Do you think he is expressing real sexual interest in children and attractive 30-something women?
Also, is there more context to this than just those two screen shots? Because the first one the other guy is talking about sex, but he never says that. That cuts both ways though, because I don't know if there is previous conversation between these two people that would so rapidly lead the second guy to conclude that it's about sex.
I can't conclude from this what he's thinking, if anything.

there are a lot of interesting comments that discuss the more philosophical side of the debate on a reddit thread here if anyone is interested
http://www.reddit.com/r/antisrs/comments/11esu2/srs_coordinated_attack_on_sponsors_of_a_starcraft/
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Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:52:14
October 14 2012 00:45 GMT
#2184
I just dont see how this could be construed as a joke by so many people. Its pretty obvious it wasnt. Its also pretty obvious he wasnt talking about actually abusing someone, its just slightly lost in translation but not to far off from saying "i violated such and such" which is said all the time and is referring to sex not abuse.

Bling clearly thought it wasnt a joke, as he was trying to clarify what he said, and also in a way (this is just my interpretation) it almost sounds like stephano banged some chick and then realized after that she was underage, was surprised about it and then told someone.

As for the whole milf thing, im sure there is another story about him banging an older women. They could both be lies (young men lie about having sex all the time) but i would hardly consider them jokes. I speak both french and english and aside from the abuse being just slightly the wrong word i dont see how much could be lost in translation in terms of a joke.

IF it was about someone much younger than that, sure i would beleive it was a joke like a 10 year old or 5 year old, a really sick joke, but a joke none the less. When i was 18 i went out with someone that was 15 ( a year difference on both sides from this situation) and although this situation with stephano is twisted and possibly illegal i dont think its too farfetched of a thing to happen.
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
October 14 2012 00:50 GMT
#2185
On October 14 2012 09:45 Executor1 wrote:
I just dont see how this could be construed as a joke by so many people. Its pretty obvious it wasnt. Its also pretty obvious he wasnt talking about actually abusing someone, its just slightly lost in translation but not to far off from saying "i violated such and such" which is said all the time and is referring to sex not abuse.

Bling clearly thought it wasnt a joke, as he was trying to clarify what he said, and also in a way (this is just my interpretation) it almost sounds like stephano banged some chick and then realized after that she was underage, was surprised about it and then told someone.

As for the whole milf thing, im sure there is another story about him banging an older women. They could both be lies (young men lie about having sex all the time) but i would hardly consider them jokes. I speak both french and english and aside from the abuse being just slightly the wrong word i dont see how much could be lost in translation in terms of a joke.

IF it was about someone much younger than that, sure i would beleive it was a joke like a 10 year old or 5 year old, a really sick joke, but a joke none the less. When i was 18 i went out with someone that was 15 ( a year difference on both sides from this situation) and although this situation is twisted and possibly illegal i dont think its too farfetched of a thing to happen.

I'm French Canadian. And to me it sounded like maybe he might have meant milfs with kids? Honestly, I don't know. And honestly, it's none of my business. If an 18yr old is consenting with a 15yr old, and they're both happier, no one should give a damn.
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CaneCorso
Profile Joined September 2012
Bulgaria7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 00:51:51
October 14 2012 00:51 GMT
#2186
On October 14 2012 09:16 Jayme wrote:
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On October 14 2012 09:07 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:39 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:34 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:30 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:26 CaneCorso wrote:
Way to turn this thread into Europe vs US again guys.

And you don't know if there was pressure from the sponsors anyway. EG would have punished Stephano either way, because if they didn't it would seem as if they are ok with their players "joking" about fucking underaged girls. EG made the right call (maybe they even punished him less than he deserves), Stephano should grow up and work on his sense of humour or sexual preferences, because in both cases it's messed up...

The original post on SRS on Reddit links directly to the emails/contact information for multiple EG sponsors. Of course there was pressure from them. Not to say anyone should have been emailing sponsors, or that SRS should even exist, but that's what happened.


EG would have done something about it even if people didnt email the sponsors. It's just dumb to think otherwise. So you can't say how much of this decision is because of sponsors pressuring EG or just EG being professional.

I'm sorry but I can't be persuaded by an argument from "it's dumb to think otherwise." He said something on battle.net, and it showed up on bling's (Dignitas) stream. I don't see why EG would create a problem if SRS didn't go to the sponsors with one.

Because people have been unhappy with it. It's called PR. Google it.

If by people you mean reddit who constantly go on self styled crusades to make themselves feel important. That this sort of thing can from a site known for posting jail bait and borderline illegal images of minors I consider it close to the best example of hypocrisy I have seen in a long time.

Reddit is hardly known for jailbait (as in "famous for"). I just can't imagine Obama doing an AMA on a site like that lol.

On October 14 2012 09:21 oBlade wrote:
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On October 14 2012 09:07 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:39 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:34 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:30 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:26 CaneCorso wrote:
Way to turn this thread into Europe vs US again guys.

And you don't know if there was pressure from the sponsors anyway. EG would have punished Stephano either way, because if they didn't it would seem as if they are ok with their players "joking" about fucking underaged girls. EG made the right call (maybe they even punished him less than he deserves), Stephano should grow up and work on his sense of humour or sexual preferences, because in both cases it's messed up...

The original post on SRS on Reddit links directly to the emails/contact information for multiple EG sponsors. Of course there was pressure from them. Not to say anyone should have been emailing sponsors, or that SRS should even exist, but that's what happened.


EG would have done something about it even if people didnt email the sponsors. It's just dumb to think otherwise. So you can't say how much of this decision is because of sponsors pressuring EG or just EG being professional.

I'm sorry but I can't be persuaded by an argument from "it's dumb to think otherwise." He said something on battle.net, and it showed up on bling's (Dignitas) stream. I don't see why EG would create a problem if SRS didn't go to the sponsors with one.

Because people have been unhappy with it. It's called PR. Google it.

You didn't add anything. People weren't unhappy that Stephano said something on battle.net in another guy's stream, it snowballed from people with a grudge on SRS getting mad and emailing sponsors.


Obviously there are a lot of people who are unhappy with Stephano. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be over 100 pages long. From your point of view SRS picks up the subject and people magically start changing their opinions in a "snowball effect". Are those SRS guys wizards, capable of mind control?
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
October 14 2012 00:56 GMT
#2187
On October 14 2012 09:51 CaneCorso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:16 Jayme wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:07 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:39 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:34 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:30 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:26 CaneCorso wrote:
Way to turn this thread into Europe vs US again guys.

And you don't know if there was pressure from the sponsors anyway. EG would have punished Stephano either way, because if they didn't it would seem as if they are ok with their players "joking" about fucking underaged girls. EG made the right call (maybe they even punished him less than he deserves), Stephano should grow up and work on his sense of humour or sexual preferences, because in both cases it's messed up...

The original post on SRS on Reddit links directly to the emails/contact information for multiple EG sponsors. Of course there was pressure from them. Not to say anyone should have been emailing sponsors, or that SRS should even exist, but that's what happened.


EG would have done something about it even if people didnt email the sponsors. It's just dumb to think otherwise. So you can't say how much of this decision is because of sponsors pressuring EG or just EG being professional.

I'm sorry but I can't be persuaded by an argument from "it's dumb to think otherwise." He said something on battle.net, and it showed up on bling's (Dignitas) stream. I don't see why EG would create a problem if SRS didn't go to the sponsors with one.

Because people have been unhappy with it. It's called PR. Google it.

If by people you mean reddit who constantly go on self styled crusades to make themselves feel important. That this sort of thing can from a site known for posting jail bait and borderline illegal images of minors I consider it close to the best example of hypocrisy I have seen in a long time.

Reddit is hardly known for jailbait (as in "famous for"). I just can't imagine Obama doing an AMA on a site like that lol.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:21 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 09:07 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:39 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:34 CaneCorso wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:30 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:26 CaneCorso wrote:
Way to turn this thread into Europe vs US again guys.

And you don't know if there was pressure from the sponsors anyway. EG would have punished Stephano either way, because if they didn't it would seem as if they are ok with their players "joking" about fucking underaged girls. EG made the right call (maybe they even punished him less than he deserves), Stephano should grow up and work on his sense of humour or sexual preferences, because in both cases it's messed up...

The original post on SRS on Reddit links directly to the emails/contact information for multiple EG sponsors. Of course there was pressure from them. Not to say anyone should have been emailing sponsors, or that SRS should even exist, but that's what happened.


EG would have done something about it even if people didnt email the sponsors. It's just dumb to think otherwise. So you can't say how much of this decision is because of sponsors pressuring EG or just EG being professional.

I'm sorry but I can't be persuaded by an argument from "it's dumb to think otherwise." He said something on battle.net, and it showed up on bling's (Dignitas) stream. I don't see why EG would create a problem if SRS didn't go to the sponsors with one.

Because people have been unhappy with it. It's called PR. Google it.

You didn't add anything. People weren't unhappy that Stephano said something on battle.net in another guy's stream, it snowballed from people with a grudge on SRS getting mad and emailing sponsors.


Obviously there are a lot of people who are unhappy with Stephano. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be over 100 pages long. From your point of view SRS picks up the subject and people magically start changing their opinions in a "snowball effect". Are those SRS guys wizards, capable of mind control?



Cane, it was the #1 result on Google when you searched for "reddit". I don't care, it made sense to me. There aren't a lot of places for 15 year olds to get porn of people like them instead of dirty worn out milfs.

At least I can see that being a valid excuse for its existence...
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#2188
I honestly don't see why this is a big deal. If I said, "I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die", would that be considered horribly shocking, or would people realize that I didn't mean it seriously?

And if the latter, then what makes child abuse worse than murder?
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
ImadeThisForYou
Profile Joined October 2012
4 Posts
October 14 2012 00:58 GMT
#2189
This reminds me.


What's the best thing about 23 year olds?


There's 20 of them.
joyeaux
Profile Joined May 2005
United States169 Posts
October 14 2012 00:58 GMT
#2190
On October 14 2012 09:51 CaneCorso wrote:
Obviously there are a lot of people who are unhappy with Stephano. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be over 100 pages long. From your point of view SRS picks up the subject and people magically start changing their opinions in a "snowball effect". Are those SRS guys wizards, capable of mind control?


If you said that on reddit.com/r/starcraft your post would be downvoted to oblivion and responded to by upvoted posts saying things like "what's wrong with teenagers having sex with each other?" and "the problem is that people email the sponsors." It's pretty disgusting.
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 01:00:03
October 14 2012 00:59 GMT
#2191
On October 14 2012 09:42 Fischbacher wrote:
Man, I wish the places I've worked at where as lineant as EG. If I made a joke about raping a 14 year old at work (in French when you say you abuse a child the connotation is that it's sexual abuse, so as a native French speaker that's how I read Stephano's comment) I would be out of a job the second management got wind of it.

And before anyone says anything, yes, Stephano made those comments at work. His job is to play StarCraft. And, if I may add, he is presumably payed a lot of money to do so. You can say it was between friends all you want, when you are on the clock there are things you just can't do, even when around friends. Making casual jokes about rape, especially the rape of a minor, is one of them.

Frankly, Stephano is lucky he is so hard to replace for EG. In "the real world" he'd be out of a job.

His job is to generate eyeballs. He clearly does it very well.

I think the more important debate is: why was this considered wrong, and is it? The actual act (if he's guilty of it) should be dealt with differently than a joke. But yes, that might be why he's only suspended?
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Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
October 14 2012 00:59 GMT
#2192
On October 14 2012 09:58 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
This reminds me.


What's the best thing about 23 year olds?


There's 20 of them.


You're supposed to write the 23 as 'twenty-three'.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
October 14 2012 01:01 GMT
#2193
Wish Stephano would act likely a professional nowadays
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Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
October 14 2012 01:01 GMT
#2194
I'm on EG's side you can't joke about raping a 14 year old girl that's just messed up. Think about how many kids watch this stuff and get the wrong idea.. They all look up to a poor character like stephano, I never really liked him because he just seemed so fake to me. I'm all for personality in esports, but this is one personality I don't rather have it stay the hell out of my esports.
ImadeThisForYou
Profile Joined October 2012
4 Posts
October 14 2012 01:03 GMT
#2195
On October 14 2012 09:59 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:58 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
This reminds me.


What's the best thing about 23 year olds?


There's 20 of them.


You're supposed to write the 23 as 'twenty-three'.





You would know. Hi Five my man! Amirite?
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 14 2012 01:04 GMT
#2196
On October 14 2012 09:59 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:58 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
This reminds me.


What's the best thing about 23 year olds?


There's 20 of them.


You're supposed to write the 23 as 'twenty-three'.
"twenty three", to be precise
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 01:04:45
October 14 2012 01:04 GMT
#2197
On October 14 2012 09:57 qrs wrote:
I honestly don't see why this is a big deal. If I said, "I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die", would that be considered horribly shocking, or would people realize that I didn't mean it seriously?

And if the latter, then what makes child abuse worse than murder?


The reason why we defend kids more is because they can't defend themselves. Change the quote to "I killed a kid to watch him die." Se how much worse it is? A man can defend himself, but a kid can't even live on his/her own yet.
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
October 14 2012 01:09 GMT
#2198
On October 14 2012 09:59 -ForeverAlone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:42 Fischbacher wrote:
Man, I wish the places I've worked at where as lineant as EG. If I made a joke about raping a 14 year old at work (in French when you say you abuse a child the connotation is that it's sexual abuse, so as a native French speaker that's how I read Stephano's comment) I would be out of a job the second management got wind of it.

And before anyone says anything, yes, Stephano made those comments at work. His job is to play StarCraft. And, if I may add, he is presumably payed a lot of money to do so. You can say it was between friends all you want, when you are on the clock there are things you just can't do, even when around friends. Making casual jokes about rape, especially the rape of a minor, is one of them.

Frankly, Stephano is lucky he is so hard to replace for EG. In "the real world" he'd be out of a job.

His job is to generate eyeballs. He clearly does it very well.

I think the more important debate is: why was this considered wrong, and is it? The actual act (if he's guilty of it) should be dealt with differently than a joke. But yes, that might be why he's only suspended?

Try to make that joke at work. Make sure your boss hears about it. Tell me how it went.

And I think you misinterpret his job. Attracting viewers is a means, not an end. His job is to be a representative for his team's sponsors. To do that effectively he needs to attract eyeballs, yes, but ultimately if he makes comments that a brand that sponsors him does not want associated with them then he's not doing his job properly.

That's the reality of having sponsors like that. Everything you say anywhere that isn't 100% private has to be said under the assumption that the whole world will see it. Maybe it's not fair, but it's a reality that western progamers seem to not fully grasp. Sponsors don't throw money at e-sports to be benevolent, they sponsor players/teams because they want those players/teams to create a positive image for their brands. If progamers aren't willing to watch what they say a bit it's going to make it harder to attract sponsors.

With that comment Stephano failed his sponsors. Anything that makes Stephano look bad makes his sponsors look bad (by the same logic that companies operate under to dish out sponsorship) and is just, well, bad.
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
October 14 2012 01:10 GMT
#2199
Does this mean he must cancel the NASL? (He is in the middle of this) And he was joking BTW but is was inappropriate
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ImadeThisForYou
Profile Joined October 2012
4 Posts
October 14 2012 01:10 GMT
#2200
On October 14 2012 09:59 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:58 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
This reminds me.


What's the best thing about 23 year olds?


There's 20 of them.


You're supposed to write the 23 as 'twenty-three'.



You gonna tell me how to speak my own language netherlander? Allright props to you but.. the ' goes after the period anyway. K enough of the buzz kill.
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