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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:15 jmbthirteen wrote: wait, you mean like this? http://i.imgur.com/OCjDl.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/YEWJW.png Those rings are awesome, holy shit! | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:15 TheRabidDeer wrote: The stream isnt hidden for me, perhaps it was changed? PS: Could there be a lawsuit behind this? 1 million views seems like itd be a lot of ad money... Are they actually getting ad revenue from this? That'd be a ton of money when including everyone else that might be exploiting this. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:15 jmbthirteen wrote: wait, you mean like this? http://i.imgur.com/OCjDl.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/YEWJW.png This is the most important post in this thread... | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:15 jmbthirteen wrote: wait, you mean like this? http://i.imgur.com/OCjDl.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/YEWJW.png what are those screenshots of though? "viewer list"? most people watching are not logged in. maybe it's identifying people who don't log in. i feel like the image is implying that Riot created a lot of twitch.tv accounts and logs them all in and has them watch LoL streams but that is unnecessary to boost viewer counts. so im not sure what im looking at there | ||
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KimJongDead
United States1 Post
On October 10 2012 12:30 Torte de Lini wrote: This is downright pathetic. but so fucking smart. It would be smart if they, say, doubled or tripled their viewership incrementally. 11,000 fold in a week is a bit much. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:44 Liquid`NonY wrote: what are those screenshots of though? "viewer list"? most people watching are not logged in. maybe it's identifying people who don't log in. i feel like the image is implying that Riot created a lot of twitch.tv accounts and logs them all in and has them watch LoL streams but that is unnecessary to boost viewer counts. so im not sure what im looking at there that's exactly what the image is implying. I don't think twitch shows viewers who aren't logged in in the viewer list. Certainly interesting images but I still dunno what I'm supposed to make of them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:44 Liquid`NonY wrote: what are those screenshots of though? "viewer list"? most people watching are not logged in. maybe it's identifying people who don't log in. i feel like the image is implying that Riot created a lot of twitch.tv accounts and logs them all in and has them watch LoL streams but that is unnecessary to boost viewer counts. so im not sure what im looking at there Couldn't they just be viewers logged in through the LoL client? I feel that is far more likely that Riot juicing the numbers. That sounds like a terrible plan that would ruin their relationship with twitch and anyone selling ads during their events. It just sounds way to stupid for them to have all the "fake users" logged into with names like A7584021. | ||
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zz_
Sweden1022 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:44 Liquid`NonY wrote: what are those screenshots of though? "viewer list"? most people watching are not logged in. maybe it's identifying people who don't log in. i feel like the image is implying that Riot created a lot of twitch.tv accounts and logs them all in and has them watch LoL streams but that is unnecessary to boost viewer counts. so im not sure what im looking at there Users without accounts are not shown in viewer list. Hence why a stream with ~50 viewers might only show ~25 in viewer list. And yes, that's pretty much what the screenshots are trying to say. If it's true or not, that's another question. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:49 Plansix wrote: Couldn't they just be viewers logged in through the LoL client? I feel that is far more likely that Riot juicing the numbers. That sounds like a terrible plan that would ruin their relationship with twitch and anyone selling ads during their events. It just sounds way to stupid for them to have all the "fake users" logged into with names like A7584021. Riot is the same company that tried to strong arm teams into dropping DOTA2 right? I wouldn't doubt the use of any underhanded business from them after that. Especially with DOTA2 starting to emerge as the clear front runner in competitive MOBAs and viewer counts being pretty much the only thing going for LoL atm. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:51 zz_ wrote: Users without accounts are not shown in viewer list. Hence why a stream with ~50 viewers might only show ~25 in viewer list. And yes, that's pretty much what the screenshots are trying to say. If it's true or not, that's another question. I think we all need more proof that a couple of screen captures. If we are going to talk about fake data, photoshopping a chat lobby is not really rocket science. They are not forging the Mona Lisa. Also, why would Riot log their fake views into chat? To increase the chances of people finding out about their fake viewers? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:52 SupLilSon wrote: Riot is the same company that tried to strong arm teams into dropping DOTA2 right? I wouldn't doubt the use of any underhanded business from them after that. Especially with DOTA2 starting to emerge as the clear front runner in competitive MOBAs and viewer counts being pretty much the only thing going for LoL atm. Maybe, but this seems way to stupid to be true. They juiced the stream numbers with fake connections and then logged all those fake connections into chat for good measure? And they also gave them terrible names to anyone could tell those members in the chat were really bots? I am willing to believe that Riot can behave badly. I find it harder to believe that their master plan of fraud was conceived by a hobo on the side of the road, half into a bottle of wild turkey. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 10 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote: Maybe, but this seems way to stupid to be true. They juiced the stream numbers with fake connections and then logged all those fake connections into chat for good measure? And they also gave them terrible names to anyone could tell those members in the chat were really bots? I am willing to believe that Riot can behave badly. I find it harder to believe that their master plan of fraud was conceived by a hobo on the side of the road, half into a bottle of wild turkey. Idk... for some reason the sheer stupidity and simplicity of the situation makes it more believable to me. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 10 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote: Maybe, but this seems way to stupid to be true. They juiced the stream numbers with fake connections and then logged all those fake connections into chat for good measure? And they also gave them terrible names to anyone could tell those members in the chat were really bots? I am willing to believe that Riot can behave badly. I find it harder to believe that their master plan of fraud was conceived by a hobo on the side of the road, half into a bottle of wild turkey. Consider that it might not be Riot doing it, I'm not really believing this crazy conspiracy but It's possible that someone else would do it. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
Eclysia needs to cut this out before it destroys everything we've worked for. I don't want to sound overdramatic, but a lot of the scene depends entirely on this revenue. If people start to think this is somehow acceptable practice and follow suit corporations are going to stop sponsoring or sponsoring to the extent they are right now. Its dangerous territory. For a scene like ours, which is still in its infancy, it's not a reputation we can afford to garner. Once these companies stop trusting teams and esports in general they're not very easily going to reverse they policies and say, hey, you guys are sorry, so we'll start giving you free money again. Business doesn't work like that. You ruin your credit, you're going to have a tough time repairing it. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On October 10 2012 13:09 Dodgin wrote: Consider that it might not be Riot doing it, I'm not really believing this crazy conspiracy but It's possible that someone else would do it. Someone who would benefit from destroying Riot's reputation... like... Blizzard. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:46 KimJongDead wrote: It would be smart if they, say, doubled or tripled their viewership incrementally. 11,000 fold in a week is a bit much. maybe he means it's a smart way to attract sponsors (provided they're not caught) or a smart way to generate drama and promote their brand... I don't think it's a particularly smart way to pursue either of those aims. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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