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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 24 2013 20:47 GMT
#901
Info dumping? What do you mean by that?

Telling a cohesive story =/= info dumping. You seem to have misunderstood that. It's more of the opposite, actually.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#902
On November 25 2013 05:32 SiNKami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:26 UmberBane wrote:
It's not like that's the only approach you could take, no?

I've seen documentaries that managed to tell one cohesive story where all the different storylines of interest were interwoven into one.

Maybe it's just taste.

But if you start off the documentary by "info dumping" on people who know nothing about esports, that's an easy way to turn people away because there are people in the world who don't want to have to do research (learned that when I started working in retail). We, of TeamLiquid, are a small portion of the world. I believe the director was trying to reach out to a broader spectrum of people by breaking everything down rather than just having Nick and Dan talk about their experiences blindly for an hour straight. Not only would that be boring to new viewers, it would be boring to us (some of us).

Where in UmberBane's post do you see any advocacy for "info dumping" as you put it?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
November 24 2013 21:07 GMT
#903
Oh yay GOMtv classic tourneys! After Klazart, Tasteless' BW casts on GOMtv brought be into Starcraft as a competitive game. I love those old broadcasts.
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
November 24 2013 21:36 GMT
#904
On November 25 2013 05:55 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:32 SiNKami wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:26 UmberBane wrote:
It's not like that's the only approach you could take, no?

I've seen documentaries that managed to tell one cohesive story where all the different storylines of interest were interwoven into one.

Maybe it's just taste.

But if you start off the documentary by "info dumping" on people who know nothing about esports, that's an easy way to turn people away because there are people in the world who don't want to have to do research (learned that when I started working in retail). We, of TeamLiquid, are a small portion of the world. I believe the director was trying to reach out to a broader spectrum of people by breaking everything down rather than just having Nick and Dan talk about their experiences blindly for an hour straight. Not only would that be boring to new viewers, it would be boring to us (some of us).

Where in UmberBane's post do you see any advocacy for "info dumping" as you put it?

By jumping straight to the meat of the story, you would fail to inform the viewer why they should be watching the documentary. Look at it like this, if you jump straight to the main story rather than kind of laying a path to the main story to give an idea of what it what would be about would the same as this example:

Guy wants to buy a computer but knows nothing about computers. I walk the guy over to the most expensive computer I'm selling, tell him the specs of the PC, and then expet for him to just outright buy it. What did I fail to do? explain to him the purpose of why he should have it. That's info dumping.

If I show you a documentary without giving you the back story, I am dumping unnecessary info on you (as a new viewer) because you don't know anything about the story that's being told.

That's how I would see it anyway.
ok
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 23:02:45
November 24 2013 23:01 GMT
#905
On November 25 2013 06:36 SiNKami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:55 farvacola wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:32 SiNKami wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:26 UmberBane wrote:
It's not like that's the only approach you could take, no?

I've seen documentaries that managed to tell one cohesive story where all the different storylines of interest were interwoven into one.

Maybe it's just taste.

But if you start off the documentary by "info dumping" on people who know nothing about esports, that's an easy way to turn people away because there are people in the world who don't want to have to do research (learned that when I started working in retail). We, of TeamLiquid, are a small portion of the world. I believe the director was trying to reach out to a broader spectrum of people by breaking everything down rather than just having Nick and Dan talk about their experiences blindly for an hour straight. Not only would that be boring to new viewers, it would be boring to us (some of us).

Where in UmberBane's post do you see any advocacy for "info dumping" as you put it?

By jumping straight to the meat of the story, you would fail to inform the viewer why they should be watching the documentary. Look at it like this, if you jump straight to the main story rather than kind of laying a path to the main story to give an idea of what it what would be about would the same as this example:

Guy wants to buy a computer but knows nothing about computers. I walk the guy over to the most expensive computer I'm selling, tell him the specs of the PC, and then expet for him to just outright buy it. What did I fail to do? explain to him the purpose of why he should have it. That's info dumping.

If I show you a documentary without giving you the back story, I am dumping unnecessary info on you (as a new viewer) because you don't know anything about the story that's being told.

That's how I would see it anyway.

UmberBane wasn't talking about jumping right into the story, rather that the first section came off as very disconnected from the general idea of the documentary in that it interwove very little about either Tasteless nor Artosis into its introduction to Sc2 and e-sports in general. There is no reason to suppose that the filmmakers could not follow your above advice whilst also heeding UmberBane's.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zeyphon
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada5 Posts
November 25 2013 00:33 GMT
#906
I didn't find it amazing, to be honest. But it was a huge improvement over part 1. It was an actual retrospective with interviews from people involved in Tasteless' past. With they included a few more people however, seemed like four people were interviewed?
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 01:19:05
November 25 2013 01:18 GMT
#907
Too bad that SOS lost alot of hype and interest for because of miscommunications and numerous delays.
I cannot seem to enjoy the second ep despite being a huge improvement over the first ep.
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 02:19:24
November 25 2013 02:18 GMT
#908
SoS summed up (spoiler warning)
+ Show Spoiler +

Part 1: Starcraft (all of it apparently) is absolutely perfect and amazing as told by these guys sitting down being interviewed. 30 minutes of Tell (but not show).

Part 2: Tasteless got a job commentating at Korea, but then lost it due to Kespa (again only told but not shown).



Old footage from WCG 2005 where we saw the expressions on Artosis, Tasteless, and Day9's face, communication, the suspense of the actual gameplay footage. All that had soooo much more passion and soul than this Sons of Starcraft: A series of long winded interviews about two SC commentators, as interviewed by the same two guys.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
November 25 2013 03:15 GMT
#909
they certainly set the bar low and just raised it a little bit higher than the first episode. it might be on par with liquid rising now.
The Show of a Lifetime
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
November 25 2013 03:34 GMT
#910
On November 25 2013 11:18 decemberscalm wrote:
SoS summed up (spoiler warning)
+ Show Spoiler +

Part 1: Starcraft (all of it apparently) is absolutely perfect and amazing as told by these guys sitting down being interviewed. 30 minutes of Tell (but not show).

Part 2: Tasteless got a job commentating at Korea, but then lost it due to Kespa (again only told but not shown).



Old footage from WCG 2005 where we saw the expressions on Artosis, Tasteless, and Day9's face, communication, the suspense of the actual gameplay footage. All that had soooo much more passion and soul than this Sons of Starcraft: A series of long winded interviews about two SC commentators, as interviewed by the same two guys.


Well, how is he suppoused to get that fotage and show it? travel back in time?

Yeah, they messed up with all the delays, but i think people are being to harsh with them.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
November 25 2013 03:55 GMT
#911
ahh tasteless episode much more entertaining for some reason
dumchu
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
November 25 2013 04:19 GMT
#912
well, the episode is really good, but to be honest? It makes me really mad, how this episode suggests Tasteless only moved to Korea in expectance of Sc2. All the casts in Broodwar, where he claimed oh this is the best game ever bla bla bla. He says the same kinda shit about Sc2 nowadays.

I guess one of those statements must be wrong now i guess. But that dishonesty really makes me sad.
Broodwar for life!
Vysage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States117 Posts
November 25 2013 05:33 GMT
#913
btw how awesome is Jason Lee? Seriously. He should just narrate the whole thing.
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
November 25 2013 07:09 GMT
#914
On November 25 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Well, how is he suppoused to get that fotage and show it? travel back in time?

Youtube will suffice.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 25 2013 07:53 GMT
#915
On November 25 2013 13:19 Cele wrote:
well, the episode is really good, but to be honest? It makes me really mad, how this episode suggests Tasteless only moved to Korea in expectance of Sc2. All the casts in Broodwar, where he claimed oh this is the best game ever bla bla bla. He says the same kinda shit about Sc2 nowadays.

I guess one of those statements must be wrong now i guess. But that dishonesty really makes me sad.

It was his job to say this. Just like it's his job today to call every GSL finals "the best finals, ever".
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
November 25 2013 08:45 GMT
#916
On November 25 2013 16:09 Ljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Well, how is he suppoused to get that fotage and show it? travel back in time?

Youtube will suffice.


Copyright?
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
November 25 2013 10:03 GMT
#917
tasteless is awesome
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
November 25 2013 10:11 GMT
#918
Personally I think this documentary is better for the fans than a person with no knowledge of esport.
Which is awesome, for me
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
November 25 2013 11:45 GMT
#919
It's better, but still awful.

Persisting amateur sound issues. Elevator music. Jumps between Tasteless' background story to KOREA IS AWESOME and back. Cuts, chops and changes between characters at seemingly random intervals (that cut to Hwanni was painful).

At least the subject material was presented in a semi-interesting manner this time around?

Ah well, you can polish a turd but it's still going to be a turd.
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
November 25 2013 12:02 GMT
#920
On November 25 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 11:18 decemberscalm wrote:
SoS summed up (spoiler warning)
+ Show Spoiler +

Part 1: Starcraft (all of it apparently) is absolutely perfect and amazing as told by these guys sitting down being interviewed. 30 minutes of Tell (but not show).

Part 2: Tasteless got a job commentating at Korea, but then lost it due to Kespa (again only told but not shown).



Old footage from WCG 2005 where we saw the expressions on Artosis, Tasteless, and Day9's face, communication, the suspense of the actual gameplay footage. All that had soooo much more passion and soul than this Sons of Starcraft: A series of long winded interviews about two SC commentators, as interviewed by the same two guys.


Well, how is he suppoused to get that fotage and show it? travel back in time?



That WCG 2005 video is so awesome! Hadn't seen it before, and it is very cool. From the beginning, there's a storyline, you're interested in the main characters and it draws you in completely. Wasn't going to watch it, but got completely sucked into it.
They balanced interviews, players playing games and in-game footage very, very well...
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