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Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.
Should have sent Liquid'Sea!
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On October 06 2012 05:00 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
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Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious. Can sb tell me what is he talking about? DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast. Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already. Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy... I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair. The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that. Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?  No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension. Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know. I'm sorry what? Stop talking about what you don't know? I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for. Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised. And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious? Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using. The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please. Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there. I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread. Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc. This is a surprisingly good analogy. If you can get mr. Jobs to do that for you than you totally should though.
It'd be an impressive feat, especially cause he's currently dead.
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On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.
Should have sent Liquid'Sea!
You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament!
Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D
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On October 05 2012 23:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
01. Pulse desRow - Protoss
Probably the only time desrow is first.
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On October 06 2012 05:58 Zvenn3n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.
Should have sent Liquid'Sea! You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament! Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D
Admittedly I have no idea what the current form of TOP, Inca and Jookto is, but I imagine they are not Code S level competitors. It will be interesting to see how they do.
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On October 06 2012 06:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:58 Zvenn3n wrote:On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.
Should have sent Liquid'Sea! You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament! Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D Admittedly I have no idea what the current form of TOP, Inca and Jookto is, but I imagine they are not Code S level competitors. It will be interesting to see how they do.
they're still koreans
I'm sure at least one of them will get to the prize stage with ease
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I'm glad sleep is going.. he had some entertaining zvp.
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On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam. Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious. Can sb tell me what is he talking about? DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast. Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already. Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy... I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair. The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that. Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay? No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension. Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know. I'm sorry what? Stop talking about what you don't know? I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for. Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised. And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious? Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using. The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please. Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there. I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread. Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.
So you are honestly saying that the skill difference between DeathAngel and someone like.. Sjow is the same as the one between Steve jobs and kids in school? Over-dramatizing much?
Also, why was Sjow invited, Veralynn invited and DeathAngel was not? Because he was simply not as popular, it wasn't because he was in a totally different league.
And you are saying that DeathAngel is guilty of Identity Fraud, yet he is not the one who charged for coaching (as far as I know, please disregard if there is evidence to the contrary).
So technically, DeathAngel is only guilty of participating in tournaments under someone else's name. Not taking money from anyone (again, as far as I've seen, there's no evidence that sustains that).
And you are honestly saying that playing under a different name is basically grounds for jail time? Ridiculous!
Get him banned from DreamHack? Under what basis, that he played under a different nick? I'm sure no other pro-gamers do that. Or it's fine as long as nobody gets caught.
You want to convince me, it's easy, tell me what DeathAngel did, related to the actual game, that would warrant him being banned from DreamHack. Spoofing? That's it?
As long as there's no evidence that he actually got money from it, then he's fine to play. If he did make money off it, then it's up to the hosts at DH, no?
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Would people please stop talking about DeathAngel in this thread?
The thing is, he did something wrong and should be punished for it, but nobody has done anything and it is not on DreamHack's shoulders to come on a white stallion and hand out punishment to him. An instance above tournament arrangers is needed for that to happen.
Also, tournament held in Bucharest, Romania.
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Should be a good tournament
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On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.
honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.
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TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.
On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited. honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.
Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.
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On October 05 2012 23:58 desRow wrote:
it's kinda weird how no tournaments are banning him and his team didn't release any statement. I don't hate the guy but it seems odd =/
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On October 06 2012 03:27 HonorZ wrote:
DeathAngel should not be allowed to participate in this tournament seriously... DreamHack should definitely NOT be forgiving about this. Not so soon at the least...
Because DeathAngel commited fraud to Dreamhack.
Good luck all Romanians. I hope Darkthron/Deathangel/NightEnD will do well.
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On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited. honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.
the account leveling is one thing, but playing showmatches as her is fucked up. i dont care what the economy of sc2 is. there are 100s of other unknowns that dont do that shit.
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On October 06 2012 10:52 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited. honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all. the account leveling is one thing, but playing showmatches as her is fucked up. i dont care what the economy of sc2 is. there are 100s of other unknowns that dont do that shit.
well how do you know that? and however fucked playing showmatches as her is, it's better than earning less than $50/month....
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InCa going to DT his way to the finals
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On October 06 2012 10:45 jalstar wrote:TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack. Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited. honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all. Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.
wtf bm yo . . . 
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