On September 18 2012 04:35 Nouar wrote: Soooo hmmm you complain Ukraine and Sweden don't have a world final spot, and then advise to remove nearly all national seeds ? :D
If anything, I'd have given a few more to countries known to have good players..
Well it make sense, as in reality EU had 9 seeds. Just that out of those 9 where 3 dedicated for players from Russia, France and Germany. Thus only leaving 6 spots for the rest of EU to compete for and with these 3 countries still having possibilities to take more spots.
Thus does the national qualifiers make it harder for all other countries to have players attending. My guess for why Blizzard have them is that it ensures that countries with high populations (and SC2 users) will have representative at the world final, contributing for more viewers. Sadly is it illogical from a competition viewpoint and just over all unfair.
So to answer the 5 other posts about "He is swedish bla bla bla". No I do not think that Sweden should have a direct qualification seed. Because Sweden is not clearly stronger then many other EU countries. As there is no clear dominating country in EU is the choice of having a few "chosen" countries retarded, well Blizzard think it will get them more viewers but otherwise is it stupid.
But if you would ask me if I think Sweden would have deserved a direction qualification more then say Germany? Yes I do.
I think the majority of seeds should be for EU and Korea.
NA/SEA/SA etc. can maybe all get 1 seed each or something. From a spectator's point of view it isn't fun watching (comparable) trash getting wrecked by actually good players, so I'd like to keep that at a minimum. This way there will still be some neat national qualifiers to watch without having them lower the quality of the grand finals too much.
let's be serious, the only two people in NA that realistically have a chance vs. Koreans are Major & Scarlett. Let's give the other 7 NA seeds to Europe.
On September 18 2012 06:12 ref4 wrote: let's be serious, the only two people in NA that realistically have a chance vs. Koreans are Major & Scarlett. Let's give the other 7 NA seeds to Europe.
And honestly, Major is questionable with that...
But to be fair, there AREN'T 7 more people in eu who can beat Koreans.
If we're giving the 7 spots away, send them to Korea
I'm loving this tournament because of how national and international it is at the same time. I really do hope that it is helping to build local/national esports scenes.
On September 18 2012 06:12 ref4 wrote: let's be serious, the only two people in NA that realistically have a chance vs. Koreans are Major & Scarlett. Let's give the other 7 NA seeds to Europe.
I love that those are the two you mention, not long ago there would be other names on that list and you would have been laughed at for including either MajOr or Scarlett'
Think of Huk, IdrA, NonY, Sheth, Illusion and all the rest of the players who have, for however long, been toured as the best the Americas have to offer.
I think that you could look at it from a country perspective rather then population/continental perspective.
NA only have 3 countries. To this you can add that Mexico essentially boils down to one player (Major). With US having 16 players qualifying to the NA final is it almost statically granted that US will to have 2-3 players qualifying (as Canadians l and Mexican will also knock each other out). Also if you look at countries that play SC2 almost the same could be said for Asia. We have South Korea, China, Taiwan and... Singapore I guess? :O
In EU on the other hand are countries like Poland, Netherlands, Sweden, UK, Ukraine, Finland, Spain and 15 other countries with no direct qualification seed have to fight over 6 seeds. Thus in opposite to the NA qualifiers will several strong SC2 countries almost per definition not have a player representing there country in the world championship. In this case it was mainly Ukraine, Sweden, UK and Finland. Poland just barely made it with Nerchio grabbing the last seed.
So while it is almost literary impossible for US/Canada to not have 2-3 players represented is it at the same time almost guaranteed that several strong EU countries will per definition draw the short stick. Which to me begs the question why EU do not have more seeds then NA? Or at least can anyone give one good argument to why NA have 9 seeds compared to say 5-8? Hell give a seed to Africa and the Mideast for that matter if you do not like the idea of EU having more seeds.
US and Canada will almost 100% have players represented regardless, only slightly fewer. The only way this would not be the case would be if the players from one country would massively fuck up there play simultaneous. In which maybe, just maybe, that country would not deserve to actually have a spot in the world final.
as much as I love the idea, i think you're forgetting that gamer population of KR/TW is relatively small.
Also, It is goal of wcs to represent korea as a strong nation, but is not a goal of wcs to represent korea as world's best no matter what.
Foreign vs Korea scene is developing as always, and I think 6-7 players out of 32 representing 1/5 of gaming population might be enough to make things more interesting(although I wouldn't mind asia getting 10, and korea 2 seeded instead of 1)
With Suppy replacing Ostojiy US have now 6 slots in the world final x) China have 1, Ukraine 0, Sweden 0 and US have 6? Blizzard should give Avilo a direct seed while there at it so US can have their full top line roster represented at the world final.
Then US and Korea would have 7 players each to. Would make for great battle between US and Korea. We could have Avilo going up against Rain in the final.
Bahh.. I find it it unreal that people like this system, obviously there are better solutions then this.
One of the most retarded things was that Italy(?!?!?!?!?) got 2 seeds to EU finals and UK got 3. But for example Finland got one seed. That was just...dumb. I mean really. Italy and UK got more seeds to the EU finals. Who have got the better pros again?
On October 19 2012 20:50 Luolis wrote: One of the most retarded things was that Italy(?!?!?!?!?) got 2 seeds to EU finals and UK got 3. But for example Finland got one seed. That was just...dumb. I mean really. Italy and UK got more seeds to the EU finals. Who have got the better pros again?
I completely agree, I think same with Ukraine that only got two seeds. Out of the 30 best players in EU are probably around 5 Ukrainians.
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