EPTMinistry of Win - Statement - Page 12
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On September 14 2012 02:57 scypio wrote: Upper management, yeah right... you realize that it is just a couple of guys running the whole thing, not some ExxxonPepsiGM conglomerate? They tried something new (I never heard about another house working this way) and it seems they did pretty ok with most of the players that live(d) at MoW. They run into some unforeseen difficulties with Fuzer and failed to deal with them in a reasonable fashion. They do blame themselves for failing do to so and promise to make amendments, I have no idea what shady stuff is left. Yes, they failed with the lawyer and with the refund timing too. What else is there to do? Of course I realize it's just a couple of guys running the show. My wording is specific to not tarnish the reputations of other people involved in MoW like the live-in coach who people like LgNkarmy have good reviews for. Why I'm critical of MoW's boss and supporters like yourself is that this guy has shown a history of scamming a major tournament. This second offense only came to light because Fuzer refused to take a bribe. Maybe you're okay with people ripping others off as long as they "apologize," but repeat offenders should be blasted by the community in my book. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:18 Cheerio wrote: yeah thanks for bringing it up. I almost forgot what an asshole Boss is. MoW you are not getting away from this while Boss remains at MoW. No fucking way. I think you misunderstood the intent of the poster here. Fuzer tried to be smart and mouthed off about not signing the contract. Then Boss replied in kind. Clearly you have absolutely no idea what was his point and yet you call him an asshole. About the statement - in my opinion, a little bit too late and I hate cats, though it is bringing reconciliation to the matter. | ||
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canSore
132 Posts
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coolguy00
7 Posts
This is such bullshit IMO. You offered the refund AFTER you had the information that Fuzer was making this public. In other words you just wanted to silence him. So you've essentially stolen 600€ from a person and now you're refusing to repay him because he made your unprofessionalism public? | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
Fuzer goes to poland 1) He doesnt read contract 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? What im i missing please. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Rofl this hate against MoW ur all blind or what. Fuzer goes to poland 1) He doesnt read contract 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? What im i missing please. Pitchforks, lots of pitchforks | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
And then stakes and fire, lots of stakes and fire. We got and burned our witch! | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:26 Cheerio wrote: Where can I get a list of MoW players? I wonna know which players exactly to dodge in streams and to cheer against. You really are a hateful guy, arent you? Start with LiquidRet and post everywhere across TL forum what trash player he is for living in the MoW. Give me a break.... | ||
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Kenthros
United States95 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Rofl this hate against MoW ur all blind or what. Oh boy, here we go. On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Fuzer goes to poland Yep On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: 1) He doesnt read contract That is contradicted by the fact that MoW said in the first post of this thread that he had been providing revisions to the contract On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. Yeah, kind of stupid On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. While negotiating the contract, you mean On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? Yep See what you fail to understand is that since Fuzer wasn't on a contract, he was simply paying rent. And in that situation MoW had no right to kick him out and keep his money, no matter how much of an idiot or asshole Fuzer was. What they should have done was either (A) kick him out at the end of the month or (B) give him the money and show him the door. They eventually did (B), but only after Fuzer threatened to go public. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Rofl this hate against MoW ur all blind or what. Fuzer goes to poland 1) He doesnt read contract 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? What im i missing please. The part where the guy admits not fully understanding the contract and isn't given the option to have another person check it for him, I think! | ||
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N1ceTry
United Kingdom6 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Rofl this hate against MoW ur all blind or what. Fuzer goes to poland 1) He doesnt read contract 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? What im i missing please. 1) He did, but as they said, there were some things that he wanted to change so they started the negotiations! 2) True - silly 3) Yea, he was invited like that - come, check. if you like it you can stay. He liked it but they didn't agreed to the terms of conbtract. He wanted to show it to a frend that studies law - they wanted a prove that he is a lawyer - that stupid. A person that advies you doesnt have to be a lawyer. They might want him to sign NDA, nothing more! 4) He didnt wanted to signt because they didnt came to an agreement about the contract and didnt want to change it anymore. And as he said,m he didnt undarstand all the things in it - he doesnt know law and english too well!! They placed him, in a situation - sign a contract that's bad for you or leave Not signing, then go away, and that 500 euro - yea there is no prove of giving it to us. You wotn get it back! Only after Fuzer said he will tell the story they wanted to give it back! | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
In addition, no matter how I look at it, Ministry of Win had all the power to prevent this debacle at different points. Even if Fuzer still needed more time to have the contract looked over, I'm fine with Ministry of Win telling him to remove himself from the house until he gets it figured out, but why ask for credentials of the person he's giving the contract to? I don't understand what MoW's problem is with just letting his parents look over the contract if that what Fuzer chose to do. In the end, Fuzer and MoW still have to agree to terms. What is such a super secret that they don't want anyone else to see? They're just a gaming house, right? | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:26 ssxsilver wrote: Of course I realize it's just a couple of guys running the show. My wording is specific to not tarnish the reputations of other people involved in MoW like the live-in coach who people like LgNkarmy have good reviews for. Why I'm critical of MoW's boss and supporters like yourself is that this guy has shown a history of scamming a major tournament. This second offense only came to light because Fuzer refused to take a bribe. Maybe you're okay with people ripping others off as long as they "apologize," but repeat offenders should be blasted by the community in my book. This is blown out of proportion. What exactly is "the second offense"? Unhealthy food? Noises late night in the house? Streaming schedule? Show your lawyers license crap? I don't think any of the above is serious enough. Or perhaps it is the"bribe" itself? And what if Fuzer knew that part of the house rules that early leave does not entitle him to get a refund? Would you still give him his money back unconditionally? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:41 scypio wrote: This is blown out of proportion. What exactly is "the second offense"? Unhealthy food? Noises late night in the house? Streaming schedule? Show your lawyers license crap? I don't think any of the above is serious enough. Or perhaps it is the"bribe" itself? And what if Fuzer knew that part of the house rules that early leave does not entitle him to get a refund? Would you still give him his money back unconditionally? Not disclose everything in the contract beforehand is serious offense. And this is confirmed by other players. Tries to coerce / threaten someone who don't fully understand the contract to sign it is serious offense. The silliness of "So I don't have your money" is pretty ridiculous and borderline fraud. Again, I don't think MoW is evil or sinister unless other cases pop up. But they are pretty bad at running this stuff and handled this situation about as poorly as you can. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:26 Roman666 wrote: Then Boss replied in kind. Clearly you have absolutely no idea what was his point and yet you call him an asshole. Yes I did. That was not "replying" in kind, that was a deliberate attempt at committing a fraud, and a stupid one. Fazer was defending his right for a compensation which was due to him unless he signed some dumb contract, which he did not and pointed it out. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:41 scypio wrote: And what if Fuzer knew that part of the house rules that early leave does not entitle him to get a refund? Would you still give him his money back unconditionally? The house rules that he didn't sign, you mean? You can't enforce the rules of a contract that the person didn't agree to. | ||
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eight.BiT
United States240 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:28 Veriol wrote: Rofl this hate against MoW ur all blind or what. Fuzer goes to poland 1) He doesnt read contract 2) He pays 1200$ without asking for receipt or anything. 3) Then lives in house OVER a month. Wihtout sining contract. 4) They ask him to sing or it leave and he makes TL drama and everyone starts hating on mow? What im i missing please. Did you read anything in the two seperate threads on the subject besides the first few posts? 1) Non-native English speaker receives contract and reads it well enough to decide on his own that most of the contract is bullshit. Upon realizing this MoW revised the contract as request by Fuzer, which then Fuzer requested to be viewed by a lawyer for approval - which anyone SHOULD DO instead of blindly signing. This is his job, he's not just going there to play around and waste time. 2) Instead of letting Fuzer get the contract to a lawyer to look at, MoW requests the Lawyer's license before sending the document to be looked at. This is obviously bullshit as if Fuzer had requested his mom or anyone, even the fucking Hobo down the street to look at the contract - that should have been fine. 3) He pays 2 months worth of rent as a show of good faith to the house while the contract is being worked over. During this time if MoW really wanted to they could have signed partial agreements and then work out the areas of the contract in question at a previous date since they already had two months worth of pay from him. 4) I have a feeling most of the players that joined the house blindly signed this contract and are slowly also realizing that they maybe should have read it too. How can you possible attack someone for not being a big enough tool to sign a legally binding contract before understanding what is required from it? | ||
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