EPTMinistry of Win - Statement - Page 11
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Argument denied. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:02 Doodsmack wrote: Except all the other players who have commented have said they enjoyed their stay and they definitely improved. Well since they signed that terrible contract that forbids them to do a shitload of stuff and includes only God knows what other stupid clauses... I'm not convinced. | ||
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Roqshu
Germany112 Posts
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nikoYO
Germany131 Posts
This has been received as a stalling tactics and brought unnecessary and unprofessional tension to the conversation, which in retrospect could have been avoided especially on our side. Leading a company revolving around people requires unwavering patience and calm especially in tense situations and this is a major lesson for us in all our future dealings. Words unbefitting a gentleman have been said, fences have not been mended and as a result on Tuesday the 11th Samuli has been asked to either sign the contract or leave until 22:00. Upon announcing that he chose the latter, a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down. (Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss) [11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation? [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract. good one lol | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
1) Make an official statement that all the players will be realeased of all the clauses from the current contract after the new one is agreed. 2) Make the imortant points of the new contract public. You should do it anyway if you want new recruits to know what they are signing for, not that you'll have many. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:33 Incomplet wrote: As humans we all make mistakes, the important thing is that we learn from them. Also as humans, we all deserve a second chance, this goes for both the organisation and player involved. I have never in my life made a single mistake. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:10 Coward wrote: Too late, and I have no doubt in Fuzers words. Ministry of Win is dead to me. What's your point? MoW does not doubt in Fuzers words either, at least I cannot pinpoint a piece of text where they do. | ||
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DeekZ
Australia235 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:03 Iridium wrote: People getting annoyed from the kittens needs to take a serious look in the mirror. How can cute little furry kittens make you dislike the post?! I think it's mostly because it seems to be making fun of a pretty serious situation, personally I think the community has once again shown that it will over-react to anything possible just for a bit of drama and eventually this will lead to the destruction of eSports as we know it. but anyway, their were some pretty heavy allegations and MoW handled the responses poorly, this thread is what should have been posted straight away, without the kitten pandering, it's lame, this isn't reddit. Things we as a community should take from situations like this are: 1. Stop overreacting at the slightest bit of drama, it's fucking pathetic and detrimental to everything we want to build. 2. Don't sign contracts you're not comfortable with, have a lawyer look them over. 3. Stop making sketchy contracts. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:12 Cheerio wrote: Concerning the contract issue and the outrage it caused. MoW, I suggest you do the following: 1) Make an official statement that all the players will be realeased of all the clauses from the current contract after the new one is agreed. 2) Make the imortant points of the new contract public. Now you're just being silly. MoW is doing the right thing for the future in drafting a contract that makes sense and actually learning how to negotiate properly, but that doesn't mean that the other players didn't sign what they did. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
We have seen you guys talk on skype and how you treated Fuzer. This is not acceptable at all and i think you guys from MoW lost all ur trust because of this. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:11 nikoYO wrote: good one lol Hey to be fair, from that conversation we can say that he was offering a refund IF Fuzer had a receipt. I'm not sure its appropriate to say that Fuzer not having a receipt is the same thing as turning it down. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
just joking i love des. But seriously, what was the issue? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
yeah thanks for bringing it up. I almost forgot what an asshole Boss is. MoW you are not getting away from this while Boss remains at MoW. No fucking way. | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
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nikoYO
Germany131 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:17 KillingVector wrote: Hey to be fair, from that conversation we can say that he was offering a refund IF Fuzer had a receipt. I'm not sure its appropriate to say that Fuzer not having a receipt is the same thing as turning it down. yes i quoted this to show the PR speak  | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
Shame. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
Don't exclude info from your official press release, but give it out through a third party like an e-sports article. Then give confirmation of that info the next day. It makes you look bad and unorganized. (I'm talking about their claim that Fuzer turned down the refund) | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
. We are sorry!Only way to convince me is by showing the contract. That is the only way for to determine if Fuzer just does not understand contracts, or that MoW is simply here to take advantage of SC2 players. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
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