On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear

The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.

LOL

You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical...

And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses.

I mean just go to the twitch.tv page
the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different.
The Estimation is way more correct than that.

From DH Winter 2011:

Statistics
Total views: 6,755,728
Unique viewers: 1,673,270
Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932

How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"?

Because dreamhack had how many streams? 20?

they had atleast 2 starcraft streams.
And pretty much every person who wanted to watch starcraft2, had both of the streams open at one point. This alone means that one real viewers, gets counted twice.
Also the events runs over 3 days, and everyday every viewers gets recounted.
That is simply not accurate.

Moreover, just go to twitch.tv mainpage, you will immediately add an unique viewers to one random stream, that you may not even care about.

Yeah I see the multiple stream-watcher issue, but on the other side that means multiple revenue/add-watcher (not sure how to express) so that is still legit numbers when it comes to selling numbers to the commercial market I think. You are watching two channels at the same time, not one channel twice.

And still you can get the exact numbers for everything, it's just that they like to whip the biggest one around. ^^

Yes that is exactly my point and i was never talking about add-revenue, it is just that everyone should realize that the numbers from twitch to numbers from real TV are two completely different things and shouldn't be compared. For the same reason why that infographic where MLG compared their viewers number to the size of some football(or something like that) stadium is also senseless. You can't compare that.

Kevan

Sweden2303 Posts

September 21 2012 16:51 GMT

#403

On September 22 2012 01:45 StarStruck wrote:
This one should be interesting.

I am getting a ridiculous amount of lag now though, so I might have to hear this one later. -_-

Yep, lagging so much it's unwatchable even on 240p. Oh well, I've almost gotten used to it with Twitch by now.

ellirc

Sweden3286 Posts

September 21 2012 16:52 GMT

#404

Aww dammit. It's been lagging unwatchably for half an hour now. No matter what I do T.T

Dosey

United States4505 Posts

September 21 2012 16:54 GMT

#405

I've been postponing my ~~pirated~~ totally paid for version of dark knight rises for this. It better not lag to hell damnit!

AlternativeEgo

Sweden17309 Posts

September 21 2012 16:57 GMT

#406

Kevan and ellirc, are you watching directly on twitch or on TL? I watch via TL and it has been a pretty smooth ride for me so far. Don't know if that should make a difference but it seems a bit strange since we're from the same region.

ellirc

Sweden3286 Posts

September 21 2012 16:59 GMT

#407

On September 22 2012 01:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Kevan and ellirc, are you watching directly on twitch or on TL? I watch via TL and it has been a pretty smooth ride for me so far. Don't know if that should make a difference but it seems a bit strange since we're from the same region.

Doesn't make any difference at all. I have a Mac, a Win7 PC and an Android smartphone. Lags on all devices no matter where I watch it(including all resolutions). That includes the worthless Twitch app on Android.

Benjamin99

4176 Posts

September 21 2012 16:59 GMT

#408

On September 22 2012 01:45 StarStruck wrote:
This one should be interesting.

I am getting a ridiculous amount of lag now though, so I might have to hear this one later. -_-

Try the 720p It fixed the lag for me

Asha

United Kingdom38255 Posts

September 21 2012 17:00 GMT

#409

Final Panel

Building bridges: How promoters can help each other by gathering the audiences

(should be left to right as usual, I doubt you need names for most though!)

David Ting - IPL
Sundance Digeovanni - MLG
Russel Pfister - NASL
Matthieu Dallon - ESWC
Ralf Reichert - ESL
Robert Ohlen - Dreamhack

ELA

Denmark4608 Posts

September 21 2012 17:00 GMT

#410

On September 22 2012 01:59 ellirc wrote:

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Doesn't make any difference at all. I have a Mac, a Win7 PC and an Android smartphone. Lags on all devices no matter where I watch it. That includes the worthless Twitch app on Android.

Stragely, going to 720p+ (Native resoloution) solved it for me.. Didn't have a single studder since I changed to that

TumNarDok

Germany854 Posts

September 21 2012 17:01 GMT

#411

Now if they dont present when IEM collides with DH in November i dont know if it would be serious

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

September 21 2012 17:01 GMT

#412

"they will do what they always do. they will all make some hippie peace love togetherness statement with no binding agreement and/or no way to punish breaking of the agreement.
then slowly 1 by 1 organisations will deviate from the agreement, first using excuses like "realities of the situation" or "we believe this will also grow esports" or whatever.
then people will stop even refering to any agreement because they know its meaningless
you know... the same thing that happens every time"

me on reddit 2 weeks ago. called it!

Kevan

Sweden2303 Posts

September 21 2012 17:03 GMT

#413

On September 22 2012 01:59 ellirc wrote:

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Yep lags on my desktop PC and laptop, all resolutions, embedded or not. 100/10 Mbit connection should be enough for 240p atleast but I guess it has to do with the routing where you live and Twitch's servers.