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On September 22 2012 01:27 Castigo wrote:
oh man the stream is unwatchable..... even at 480p it stops every 15s (no it's not my internet). volume is super low. Overall it seems pretty interesting but watched like this it's PAINFULL
Stream's fine here (720p) after some hiccups few mins back. Volume has been a problem, but its been more stable this panel than earlier today.
Try pop the stream out.
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Fantastic panel, great comments and insights from all participants. Very good spread too.
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Sundance gonna be up in a half hour! Not gonna miss the next panel 
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On September 22 2012 01:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:20 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical... And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses. I mean just go to the twitch.tv page the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different. The Estimation is way more correct than that. From DH Winter 2011: Statistics Total views: 6,755,728 Unique viewers: 1,673,270 Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932 How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"?
Because dreamhack had how many streams? 20?
they had atleast 2 starcraft streams.
And pretty much every person who wanted to watch starcraft2, had both of the streams open at one point. This alone means that one real viewers, gets counted twice.
Also the events runs over 3 days, and everyday every viewers gets recounted.
That is simply not accurate.
Moreover, just go to twitch.tv mainpage, you will immediately add an unique viewers to one random stream, that you may not even care about.
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A short 30 minute break?
Thank god it was not a long 30 minute break.
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On September 22 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
Fantastic panel, great comments and insights from all participants. Very good spread too.
Yep, really enjoyed that - Best panel of the day for me.
I have a feeling that this next one will be somewhat... not so serious, compared to this one
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On September 22 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
Fantastic panel, great comments and insights from all participants. Very good spread too.
Totally true. Next one should be interesting as well.
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On September 22 2012 01:32 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
Fantastic panel, great comments and insights from all participants. Very good spread too. Yep, really enjoyed that - Best panel of the day for me. I have a feeling that this next one will be somewhat... not so serious, compared to this one
We shall see, I have my hopes up that Robert will bring the fire on a few points.
Would have been great for Carmac to have been there too =(
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On September 22 2012 01:31 Appendix wrote:
A short 30 minute break?
Thank god it was not a long 30 minute break.
Hey, it's better than the 15 minute "5 minute" breaks of GSL O_O
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On September 22 2012 01:28 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:25 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap. It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses. Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap? On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. GG I didn't mean that their numbers where crap, I meant that that entire "unique viewer" thing is crap.
You mean the term that the industry, which you clearly do not understand, uses to say "the most accurate representation we can provide that the connection to our stream is a real person watching the stream"? What term would you like them to use? Or have you back yourself into a corner on this one?
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On September 22 2012 01:29 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:27 Castigo wrote:
oh man the stream is unwatchable..... even at 480p it stops every 15s (no it's not my internet). volume is super low. Overall it seems pretty interesting but watched like this it's PAINFULL Stream's fine here (720p) after some hiccups few mins back. Volume has been a problem, but its been more stable this panel than earlier today. Try pop the stream out.
Didn't make any difference (i'm on a 40mbit connection, just tested, so again, not my connection)
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On September 22 2012 01:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Sundance gonna be up in a half hour! Not gonna miss the next panel
Plasma!
o/
I felt so bad after that EG vs. TL IPTL-thread where I trolled you kinda harshly, not usually my style
Please, have a cookie and accept my appology
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On September 08 2012 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think anything significant will be accomplished by the discussions. I think more could be accomplished by having private discussions, which I assume these folks already have when necessary.
edit: This is my polite way of saying that this event is a big "hey look at us"
I still think talks like these are worth having, considering e-sports should be publicized and continued to be brought to the attention of everyone (so that it can become more normalized and ingrained in our culture)... and they're doing a pretty good job of talking about the things that need to be done to make progress (in all aspects of the community, from the individual player and team to the leagues and streams and big businesses involved). Private discussions are surely good too, but they won't get as much attention in the outside world, and so these types of announcements and gatherings are good from time to time.
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On September 22 2012 01:35 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Sundance gonna be up in a half hour! Not gonna miss the next panel Plasma! o/ I felt so bad after that EG vs. TL IPTL-thread where I trolled you kinda harshly, not usually my style Please, have a cookie and accept my appology
I shall graciously accept your cookie, break it in half, and give you back a piece so that we may share!
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On September 22 2012 01:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:28 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:25 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap. It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses. Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap? On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. GG I didn't mean that their numbers where crap, I meant that that entire "unique viewer" thing is crap. You mean the term that the industry, which you clearly do not understand, uses to say "the most accurate representation we can provide that the connection to our stream is a real person watching the stream"? What term would you like them to use? Or have you back yourself into a corner on this one?
Just because it is may the most accurate thing that is possible, it doesn't mean that it is good, or well it is good when you want to compare different streams using the same system, but not when you compare those numbers to numbers generated on a completely different way.
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On September 22 2012 01:31 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 22 2012 01:20 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical... And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses. I mean just go to the twitch.tv page the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different. The Estimation is way more correct than that. From DH Winter 2011: Statistics Total views: 6,755,728 Unique viewers: 1,673,270 Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932 How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"? Because dreamhack had how many streams? 20? they had atleast 2 starcraft streams. And pretty much every person who wanted to watch starcraft2, had both of the streams open at one point. This alone means that one real viewers, gets counted twice. Also the events runs over 3 days, and everyday every viewers gets recounted. That is simply not accurate. Moreover, just go to twitch.tv mainpage, you will immediately add an unique viewers to one random stream, that you may not even care about.
You have no ability to back up any of those claims. You don't think they have the ability to detect when the same ISP is connected to both streams. The people selling ads to twitch and MLG are going to be looking out for things like that and they are far better at spotting cooked numbers than you will ever be.
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It would have been so awesome with a 2GD couch in between the panels.
"So Browder, who would you say was most full of shit in this panel?"
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On September 22 2012 01:37 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:34 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:28 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:25 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap. It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses. Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap? On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. GG I didn't mean that their numbers where crap, I meant that that entire "unique viewer" thing is crap. You mean the term that the industry, which you clearly do not understand, uses to say "the most accurate representation we can provide that the connection to our stream is a real person watching the stream"? What term would you like them to use? Or have you back yourself into a corner on this one? Just because it is may the most accurate thing that is possible, it doesn't mean that it is good. Especially when you start comparing those numbers to different numbers that are generated on a completely different way, the full thing gets ridiculous
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You are basicly claiming that the numbers are inaccurate they are not based on going into people's houses and confirming they are watching MLG or Dreamhack.
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On September 22 2012 01:20 WarrickHunt wrote:
ITS CALLED FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER, and hes ment to be British -.-
Why is it necessary for some British person to bring this up every single time it's mentioned? You guys are seriously the only country who actually cares what it's called for some silly reason. Everyone knows what's being talked about regardless.
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On September 22 2012 01:31 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 22 2012 01:20 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical... And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses. I mean just go to the twitch.tv page the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different. The Estimation is way more correct than that. From DH Winter 2011: Statistics Total views: 6,755,728 Unique viewers: 1,673,270 Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932 How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"? Because dreamhack had how many streams? 20? they had atleast 2 starcraft streams. And pretty much every person who wanted to watch starcraft2, had both of the streams open at one point. This alone means that one real viewers, gets counted twice. Also the events runs over 3 days, and everyday every viewers gets recounted. That is simply not accurate. Moreover, just go to twitch.tv mainpage, you will immediately add an unique viewers to one random stream, that you may not even care about.
Yeah I see the multiple stream-watcher issue, but on the other side that means multiple revenue/add-watcher (not sure how to express) so that is still legit numbers when it comes to selling numbers to the commercial market I think. You are watching two channels at the same time, not one channel twice.
And still you can get the exact numbers for everything, it's just that they like to whip the biggest one around. ^^
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