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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 16:21:08
September 21 2012 16:19 GMT
#361
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


LOL

You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographicaly?

Yeah, sure - TV viewership is much more accurate than online media
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
WarrickHunt
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
September 21 2012 16:20 GMT
#362
ITS CALLED FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER, and hes ment to be British -.-
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 16:22:03
September 21 2012 16:20 GMT
#363
On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


LOL

You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical...


And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses.

I mean just go to the twitch.tv page
the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different.
The Estimation is way more correct than that.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 21 2012 16:21 GMT
#364
I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
September 21 2012 16:21 GMT
#365
conference about the future of esport live on twitch -> stream dies


looks like twitch isn't part of the future of esport :D
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2012 16:22 GMT
#366
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 16:22:24
September 21 2012 16:22 GMT
#367
On September 22 2012 01:21 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D


It's Spain. I'm afraid they won't. Glad the problems came this late on this panel than earlier.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 21 2012 16:22 GMT
#368
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear

You also have to take that statistic a little further. The Rose Bowl isn't the draw (for the 18-24 yom) market that it once was. Overall, it still (probably) gets more overall viewers (females of all age and males over 24). Also, NA (US) advertisers will probably care that the Rose Bowl will (probably) get more 18-24yom viewers in their geographic region.



...and stream seems to have cut out for a few seconds again (half of the viewers lost instantly).
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 16:23:28
September 21 2012 16:22 GMT
#369
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


Hmm I think TV is measured by following a few people and extrapolating by statistics, while twitch can measure the real number.

edit: oh i'm slow
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#370
On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


LOL

You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographicaly?

Yeah, sure - TV viewership is much more accurate than online media


Its why the viewership of PBS and NPR is always through the roof, even though their real viewship is much lower.. Everyone wants to claim they listen and watch the "smart" tv and radio.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#371
On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.


It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
September 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#372
On September 07 2012 23:40 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 23:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
more like esports illuminati ;]


It can't be esports illuminati no one from TL is there.


That's what you think.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#373
On September 22 2012 01:22 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:21 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D


It's Spain. I'm afraid they won't. Glad the problems came this late on this panel than earlier.


Poor Spain, prob still better net than me
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#374
On September 22 2012 01:20 WarrickHunt wrote:
ITS CALLED FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER, and hes ment to be British -.-

the term "soccer" was coined in England...
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
September 21 2012 16:24 GMT
#375
On September 22 2012 00:27 StarStruck wrote:
The CBS guy gets it.

Reiterating this. o_O
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 16:26:26
September 21 2012 16:25 GMT
#376
On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.


It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses.


Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap?


On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.



GG
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 21 2012 16:26 GMT
#377
On September 22 2012 01:20 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


LOL

You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical...


And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses.

I mean just go to the twitch.tv page
the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different.
The Estimation is way more correct than that.


From DH Winter 2011:

Statistics
Total views: 6,755,728
Unique viewers: 1,673,270
Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932

How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 21 2012 16:26 GMT
#378
On September 22 2012 01:18 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:01 StarStruck wrote:
On September 22 2012 00:59 falafelnr1 wrote:
On September 22 2012 00:50 Grettin wrote:
Next Up @ 19:00 @dting888 (IPL) @MLGSundance (MLG) @robertohlen (DreamHack) @russalo (NASL) @RalfReichert (ESL) Matthieu Dallon (ESWC)

Topic to come.

"Building bridges, how promoters can help each other by gathering the audiences"

http://valenciaesportscongress.com/


How about unifying all the big tournaments together and creating one world circuit?


It would be a start.

didn't they said at the start that there is a lot of different business models actually going on right now, and they pretty much all work as well as the others, it will take time before a real "winner" comes out
so they need this competition between the organization to establish the future of esport

hopefully dreamhack model wins


That's the thing, tying it altogether is much stronger. All the organizers would benefit under the model I have in mind. If they really want to make more money this is the way to go. It would be far more legit and all of them would get to host tour dates.

It fits right into their system and this would help raise their numbers.

The real hardship is more on the teams and players.
Castigo
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom34 Posts
September 21 2012 16:27 GMT
#379
oh man the stream is unwatchable..... even at 480p it stops every 15s (no it's not my internet). volume is super low. Overall it seems pretty interesting but watched like this it's PAINFULL
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 21 2012 16:28 GMT
#380
On September 22 2012 01:25 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.


I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.


It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses.


Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap?


Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Watching now...

More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear


The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.



GG


I didn't mean that their numbers where crap, I meant that that entire "unique viewer" thing is crap.
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