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On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear  The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.
LOL
You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographicaly?
Yeah, sure - TV viewership is much more accurate than online media 
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ITS CALLED FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER, and hes ment to be British -.-
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On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical...
And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses.
I mean just go to the twitch.tv page
the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different.
The Estimation is way more correct than that.
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I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D
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conference about the future of esport live on twitch -> stream dies
looks like twitch isn't part of the future of esport :D
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On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.
I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.
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On September 22 2012 01:21 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D
It's Spain. I'm afraid they won't. Glad the problems came this late on this panel than earlier.
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On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear
You also have to take that statistic a little further. The Rose Bowl isn't the draw (for the 18-24 yom) market that it once was. Overall, it still (probably) gets more overall viewers (females of all age and males over 24). Also, NA (US) advertisers will probably care that the Rose Bowl will (probably) get more 18-24yom viewers in their geographic region.
...and stream seems to have cut out for a few seconds again (half of the viewers lost instantly).
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On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.
Hmm I think TV is measured by following a few people and extrapolating by statistics, while twitch can measure the real number.
edit: oh i'm slow
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On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographicaly? Yeah, sure - TV viewership is much more accurate than online media
Its why the viewership of PBS and NPR is always through the roof, even though their real viewship is much lower.. Everyone wants to claim they listen and watch the "smart" tv and radio.
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On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap.
It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses.
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On September 07 2012 23:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 23:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
more like esports illuminati ;] It can't be esports illuminati no one from TL is there.
That's what you think.
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On September 22 2012 01:22 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:21 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope they get better internet before tomorrow :D It's Spain. I'm afraid they won't. Glad the problems came this late on this panel than earlier.
Poor Spain, prob still better net than me 
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On September 22 2012 01:20 WarrickHunt wrote:
ITS CALLED FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER, and hes ment to be British -.-
the term "soccer" was coined in England...
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On September 22 2012 00:27 StarStruck wrote:
The CBS guy gets it.
Reiterating this. o_O
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On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap. It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses.
Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap?
On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality.
GG
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On September 22 2012 01:20 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:19 ELA wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. LOL You realize that US television viewership numers are still generated mostly by ratings (Gallup-like polls for different demographics and multiplied to the population that owns a television set) as opposed to online viewership can be directly measured, down to exact geographic location and demographical... And yet still the estimation from TV viewers is more accurate than the "everytime someone opens the stream you get a viewers, even if he immediately goes away" system that most livestream sites uses. I mean just go to the twitch.tv page the some stream will autoplay, and they get a new unique viewers. Even when you wants to watch something completely different. The Estimation is way more correct than that.
From DH Winter 2011:
Statistics
Total views: 6,755,728
Unique viewers: 1,673,270
Peak concurrent viewers: 94,932
How can an estimation be "way more correct than that"?
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On September 22 2012 01:18 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:01 StarStruck wrote:On September 22 2012 00:59 falafelnr1 wrote:On September 22 2012 00:50 Grettin wrote:
Next Up @ 19:00 @dting888 (IPL) @MLGSundance (MLG) @robertohlen (DreamHack) @russalo (NASL) @RalfReichert (ESL) Matthieu Dallon (ESWC)
Topic to come. "Building bridges, how promoters can help each other by gathering the audiences" http://valenciaesportscongress.com/ How about unifying all the big tournaments together and creating one world circuit? It would be a start. didn't they said at the start that there is a lot of different business models actually going on right now, and they pretty much all work as well as the others, it will take time before a real "winner" comes out so they need this competition between the organization to establish the future of esport hopefully dreamhack model wins
That's the thing, tying it altogether is much stronger. All the organizers would benefit under the model I have in mind. If they really want to make more money this is the way to go. It would be far more legit and all of them would get to host tour dates.
It fits right into their system and this would help raise their numbers.
The real hardship is more on the teams and players.
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oh man the stream is unwatchable..... even at 480p it stops every 15s (no it's not my internet). volume is super low. Overall it seems pretty interesting but watched like this it's PAINFULL
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On September 22 2012 01:25 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:23 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:22 Plansix wrote:On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. I think we can safely assume that the people buying ads on MLG and other leagues demand accurate numbers and are always on the look out for "cooked" viewer amounts. CBSi has been selling ads on the internet for years and they would not back MLG if their numbers were crap. It is not that their numbers are crap, it is just that it completely senseless to compare TV viewers to the model that twitch/mlg uses. Then why did you just post that their numbers were crap? Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:14 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Watching now... More male 18-24 Americans watched MLG Anaheim than the Rose Bowl for college football? That's like... ridiculously amazing. Also, comparing a standard audience for a big SC2 event to a Yankee game... another really really cool thing to hear The thing is, the tv numbers are actually accurate, the "unique viewers" that things like twitch/mlg generate are just crap that has in the end no real relation to the reality. GG
I didn't mean that their numbers where crap, I meant that that entire "unique viewer" thing is crap.
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