SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. - SEPTEMBER 1, 2012. - Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America's premier professional gaming team, and SlayerS Clan, one of South Korea’s most prestigious StarCraft 2 teams, announce that they have mutually agreed to part ways.
The partnership between EG and SlayerS, which allowed for a combined SlayerS-EG GSTL presence as well as EG players’ consistent inhabitance in the SlayerS training facility in Seoul Korea, spanned more than ten months and was overall very beneficial for both teams. However, after almost a year together, SlayerS and EG have agreed that it is in the best interests of both parties to go their separate ways.
Evil Geniuses' General Manager, Cody Conners, remarked, "SlayerS was extremely accommodating, and we're grateful for their hospitality. They took care of PuMa, JYP, IdrA, HuK, and ThorZaIN while our relationship lasted. Without their help, our efforts in Korea wouldn't have been nearly as effective."
Added EG CEO Alexander Garfield, “We are very grateful for Jessica and all of SlayerS’ assistance as an EG partner over the past year, but now’s the right time for us to head our separate ways.”
SlayerS Clan will compete in the upcoming GSTL season either by themselves or with a new team partner. Evil Geniuses will continue to maintain a strong, ongoing training and team presence in South Korea, the details of which will be released in the coming weeks.
ABOUT EVIL GENIUSES Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team. With support from brands like Intel, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, SteelSeries, and others, EG’s roster includes prominent players such as Justin "JWong" Wong, Greg "IdrA" Fields, Chris “HuK” Loranger, Clinton "Fear" Loomis, and Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson. For more than a decade, Evil Geniuses’ teams and players have been bringing home championship trophies from the world’s most prestigious gaming tournaments, and continue to serve as community pillars for gamers everywhere.
not surprising at all. with the department of Boxer, and the kespa people entering the scene, there is not much point of a partnership anymore^^ i also doubt we will see many more koraens in foreigner teams
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
EG is probably gonna sign stephano, and they already have a team that can do very well in Korea. Their line-up is pretty stacked, they will probably be more successful in sc2 if they move the EG lair out to Korea.
Huk, Idra, Thorzain, JYP and Puma are all capable of winning any event if they play their best. The rest of their team is very good as well, not to take away from any of them. If they pick up a guy like stephano, they will have a powerful GSTL lineup. The other guys on their team like Incontrol, LZgamer, Machine, and Demuslim are all certainly top 10 contenders but I don't see them making it to the finals of any major events. However, if they had the whole lineup together in Korea, who knows. We could see all of them become top contenders.
Was bound to happen when boxer left. Slayers have simply fallen too far in stature. I wonder who's next for EG? IM is already partnered with SK and ST with Quantic so I guess that leaves MVP? And will thorzain still be staying at slayers house? Supposedly he liked it there.
...how does this actually hurt slayers? Was EG putting money into slayers? was EG hosting Slayers guys while they flew out to the States? Seems like EG got the chance to house a couple of their guys with Slayers and for JYP and Puma to live in a real pro house and participate in team leagues.
someone else had it probably right, EG is going to try to get MMA onboard once his contract expires or try to buy his contract.
On September 01 2012 15:33 Dispersion wrote: Yeah it's just not worth it to stay with a team that isn't showing results...oh well. Good partnership while it lasted
Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
Obv? Do you have the contract details?
Well money for sure. EG always offer that. Exposure? Sorry what? Because Slayers were a noname team with record Code S participants, Code S winner, GSTL winner etc. Damn sure they needed EG's help that's for sure.
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
The partnership was based off of previous friendships mostly afaik...there was no marketing or anything, mostly because they have several conflicting sponsors.
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
Obv? Do you have the contract details?
Well money for sure. EG always offer that. Exposure? Sorry what? Because Slayers were a noname team with record Code S participants, Code S winner, GSTL winner etc. Damn sure they needed EG's help that's for sure.
Having an HuK and an IdrA in your teamhouse sure gets alot of attention doesn't it? And I was jot saying that slayers is a noname team, just saying they got alot of exposure from EG
I think it's just EG accomodating Stephano, they'll partner up with TSL, jk . It's sad because Slayers-EG was a strong team, well, Slayers-JYP I mean. They'll probably end up with another Korean partnership soon enough. (maybe a KeSPA team?)
I can't help but wonder what Thorzain is thinking about this. If I'm not mistaken he said one of the major factors in going to EG was their association with SlayerS and the ability to stay in the house.
On September 01 2012 15:23 EG.lectR wrote: Evil Geniuses will continue to maintain a strong, ongoing training and team presence in South Korea, the details of which will be released in the coming weeks.
Really looking forward to what this statement is foretelling
On September 01 2012 15:53 MetalPanda wrote: I think it's just EG accomodating Stephano, they'll partner up with TSL, jk . It's sad because Slayers-EG was a strong team, well, Slayers-JYP I mean. They'll probably end up with another Korean partnership soon enough. (maybe a KeSPA team?)
I would be amazed if a KeSPA team cooperated with any other team that much...
On September 01 2012 15:54 Xander47 wrote: I can't help but wonder what Thorzain is thinking about this. If I'm not mistaken he said one of the major factors in going to EG was their association with SlayerS and the ability to stay in the house.
He's probably more concerned about his sickness right now =/. However HuK hung around the oGs house and now with the Liquid Apartment, maybe Thorzain will stay in the Slayers house.
I do wonder if EG could just buy Team 8...they have no sponsor still correct?
ninja edit: this makes me sound like a really unintelligent human/eg fanboy...but it's something i've thought of since i heard about an un-sponsosred team with one of the biggest names in bw history on it.
I wonder if this has something to do with the place HuK has now. It could be that they sorta buy out his lease and use that as their Korean base. Total speculation based on nothing, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
On September 01 2012 16:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I wonder if this has something to do with the place HuK has now. It could be that they sorta buy out his lease and use that as their Korean base. Total speculation based on nothing, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Interesting that a bunch of Liquid players also live there...
Hmm... I guess that sucks for Thorzain who joined EG recently, as I imagine he wanted to stay with SlayerS since he had a good time with them in the past. I wonder if this has something to do with why he didn't go to Korea, although he said he was sick.
On September 01 2012 16:08 Chicane wrote: Hmm... I guess that sucks for Thorzain who joined EG recently, as I imagine he wanted to stay with SlayerS since he had a good time with them in the past. I wonder if this has something to do with why he didn't go to Korea, although he said he was sick.
He is sick. Also, with MMA and BoxeR out of the house I don't think his desire to stay in SlayerS is as strong
On September 01 2012 16:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I wonder if this has something to do with the place HuK has now. It could be that they sorta buy out his lease and use that as their Korean base. Total speculation based on nothing, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Interesting that a bunch of Liquid players also live there...
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So? EG doesn't have many Korean-based players. Why not set it up as a joint EG/Liquid` house? I mean, I know it'll never happen but it's not a terrible idea. It's not like EG has never shared training space with other foreign teams before; HuK and Stephano are both precedents here.
didn't exactly expect this, but not terribly surprised. SlayerS is in a rather unstable place right now. Curious to see what EG's plans for Korea will now be.
On September 01 2012 16:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I wonder if this has something to do with the place HuK has now. It could be that they sorta buy out his lease and use that as their Korean base. Total speculation based on nothing, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Interesting that a bunch of Liquid players also live there...
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So? EG doesn't have many Korean-based players. Why not set it up as a joint EG/Liquid` house? I mean, I know it'll never happen but it's not a terrible idea. It's not like EG has never shared training space with other foreign teams before; HuK and Stephano are both precedents here.
Are you suggesting EG/Liquid in GSTL?! That would be awesome.
On September 01 2012 15:32 Sub40APM wrote: ...how does this actually hurt slayers? Was EG putting money into slayers? was EG hosting Slayers guys while they flew out to the States? Seems like EG got the chance to house a couple of their guys with Slayers and for JYP and Puma to live in a real pro house and participate in team leagues.
someone else had it probably right, EG is going to try to get MMA onboard once his contract expires or try to buy his contract.
Of course EG was paying SlayerS. Why else would they have had a partnership? And JYP was one of the best players in the GSTL.
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
Slayers didn't get any money from partnership. That was said by idra in an interview or in ITG...
On September 01 2012 15:36 BlackPanther wrote: Unless EG was paying SlayerS, I don't see how it's a good deal for SlayerS given that they'd have to accommodate more players who might or might not be available for GSTL.
Obv slayers got money and alot of exposure from this partnership
Slayers didn't get any money from partnership. That was said by idra in an interview or in ITG...
ummm link? i highly doubt Idra even knew the details of the partnership, let alone would talk about it in public like that.
I think it seems like things are just going down hill fast for SlayerS. Poor performances for the players, losing their founder and most recognisable player to his old team, losing Taeja, Crank, Ganzi, Golden, Dragon and Clide and now this. Pretty hectic year so far. Id say the most likely announcement next will be that SlayerS is shutting up shop. Like they have a good roster on paper but a lot of them haven't done anything big in a while although seeing what Dark and Arthur are doing on some of the online qualifiers like NASL is encouraging. Anyway I hope im wrong.
Side note: Since SlayerS aren't in ESF and most of their players have pro gaming licences for being in the GSL already I wonder if they can be picked up by KeSPA teams if they close their doors.
On September 01 2012 16:40 FlukyS wrote: I think it seems like things are just going down hill fast for SlayerS. Poor performances for the players, losing their founder and most recognisable player to his old team, losing Taeja, Crank, Ganzi, Golden, Dragon and Clide and now this. Pretty hectic year so far. Id say the most likely announcement next will be that SlayerS is shutting up shop. Like they have a good roster on paper but a lot of them haven't done anything big in a while although seeing what Dark and Arthur are doing on some of the online qualifiers like NASL is encouraging. Anyway I hope im wrong.
Side note: Since SlayerS aren't in ESF and most of their players have pro gaming licences for being in the GSL already I wonder if they can be picked up by KeSPA teams if they close their doors.
On September 01 2012 16:40 FlukyS wrote: I think it seems like things are just going down hill fast for SlayerS. Poor performances for the players, losing their founder and most recognisable player to his old team, losing Taeja, Crank, Ganzi, Golden, Dragon and Clide and now this. Pretty hectic year so far. Id say the most likely announcement next will be that SlayerS is shutting up shop. Like they have a good roster on paper but a lot of them haven't done anything big in a while although seeing what Dark and Arthur are doing on some of the online qualifiers like NASL is encouraging. Anyway I hope im wrong.
Side note: Since SlayerS aren't in ESF and most of their players have pro gaming licences for being in the GSL already I wonder if they can be picked up by KeSPA teams if they close their doors.
There is an agreement that was signed like a few month ago between GSL and Kespa.. No players can move until some point in 2013.
On September 01 2012 16:42 Random_Guy09 wrote: There is an agreement that was signed like a few month ago between GSL and Kespa.. No players can move until some point in 2013.
Hmmm I thought it was ESF specifically but anyway it was a nice thought since id hate to see MMA, Genius, CoCa...etc out of teams for long.
On September 01 2012 16:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I wonder if this has something to do with the place HuK has now. It could be that they sorta buy out his lease and use that as their Korean base. Total speculation based on nothing, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Interesting that a bunch of Liquid players also live there...
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So? EG doesn't have many Korean-based players. Why not set it up as a joint EG/Liquid` house? I mean, I know it'll never happen but it's not a terrible idea. It's not like EG has never shared training space with other foreign teams before; HuK and Stephano are both precedents here.
Are you suggesting EG/Liquid in GSTL?! That would be awesome.
It would indeed. Just make it 'team foreigner' and throw Mana and Naniwa in as well. :-D Bit weak on the Zergs with only Zenio and TLO, but that's a sick Protoss (HerO, JYP, HuK, Mana, Naniwa) and Terran (Taeja, PuMa, ThorZain) lineup.
Really makes me wonder if this may spell bad things for SlayerS, probably not, but I got a bad feeling about it. MMA might probably try to sign with EG when his contract runs out, and I figure EG is gonna poach alot of big names off SlayerS if it does happen.
But I am curious to see what EG will do with it's prescence in Korea, they might start up an EG house at least for JYP and Puma and can fly Stephano, Thorzain, and whoever there if they wanted. Or even shack up in the TL appartment since Huk is already there.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
Took the words out of my mouth. Also huk winning 2 mlgs!
Could we see EG opening a house in Korea, or at least compete in GSTL? It could be a reason for them to end the partnership, and with the recruitement of Stephano it makes sense that they want to make a splash on the korean scene. I know that Idra said that he had no plan to go to Korea, but a team with JYP, Puma, thorzain, Stephano Idra could be competitive in GSTL (admitidely Idra is the weaker of the bunch, but it looks like he has been playing better lately).
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Are jwong and fear new to EG? Haven't heard of them not have I ever seen them at MLG or whatever. Are they at least GM? They must be if EG took them in.
On September 01 2012 17:04 antifan wrote: Are jwong and fear new to EG? Haven't heard of them not have I ever seen them at MLG or whatever. Are they at least GM? They must be if EG took them in.
Dunno who fear is but jwong is Justin Wong, a fighting progamer... pro fighting gamer? whatever. He's been on EG for a while
Also I had completely forgotten that EG and SlayerS were in a partnership so no big deal to me
On September 01 2012 17:04 antifan wrote: Are jwong and fear new to EG? Haven't heard of them not have I ever seen them at MLG or whatever. Are they at least GM? They must be if EG took them in.
can't tell if troll or if serious.
Jwong is Justin Wong, one of the best fighters in the world. Fear is one of their Dota 2 players.
Almost every single post is speculating the reason for the split, I love TL
I agree that there has to be a reason behind this, but if they don't wanna come out with it, then I don't really care. I also don't care for buttered up announcements, like "mutual decisions". Good luck to both, though!
On September 01 2012 17:04 antifan wrote: Are jwong and fear new to EG? Haven't heard of them not have I ever seen them at MLG or whatever. Are they at least GM? They must be if EG took them in.
Dunno who fear is but jwong is Justin Wong, a fighting progamer... pro fighting gamer? whatever. He's been on EG for a while
Also I had completely forgotten that EG and SlayerS were in a partnership so no big deal to me
Pretty sure he's trolling. FYI, though, Fear is Clinton Loomis, an American Dota 2 player who generally handles the carries for EG. He's been on a bunch of teams including LOST, Nirvana International, coL and, way back in the day, was one of the stars of EG's old Dota 1 team, along with Merlini, Swiss, Azen and current EG player Demon.
On September 01 2012 17:04 antifan wrote: Are jwong and fear new to EG? Haven't heard of them not have I ever seen them at MLG or whatever. Are they at least GM? They must be if EG took them in.
You know, EG got other games than SC2 on their roster...
Who's better all-around? The only real competitors are possibly dignitas, complexity, fnatic and Na'Vi. Most teams are really focused into a single game, but EG (and complexity especially) have multiple strong players in multiple games and genres.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
TSL3 Dreamhack Stockholm Open NASL S1 NASL S2 IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Cologne MLG Raleigh 2010 Dreamhack Summer 2011 Homestory Cup III MLG Orlando 2011 MLG D.C 2010 IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou
Sure, if you say so.
On topic: I'm kind of surprised by this, actually. SlayerS seems to be in a bad position at the moment, so I hope things work out for them in the end. Anyway, if EG signs Stephano they might feel like they don't need a partner - perhaps they want a team house in Korea?
On September 01 2012 17:16 framtidenskrig wrote: Damn i wish MMA joins EG and they start competing in the GSTL. The only thing more cool than that would be if EG bought J.Dong
Please god no. Why would you say that? I'm fine with them playing GSTL, but other than that; holy shit no.
On September 01 2012 15:27 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: not surprising at all. with the department of Boxer, and the kespa people entering the scene, there is not much point of a partnership anymore^^ i also doubt we will see many more koraens in foreigner teams
We will see them cause they dont wanna challenge all of the Kespa players
I oddly had a feeling something like this was going to happen when iNcontroL was talking about Puma and JYP training over there. He just had this tone to his voice that something was up.
Anyway kind of sad. Sounds like they have something in store though so it wont be to bad.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
TSL3 Dreamhack Stockholm Open NASL S1 NASL S2 IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Cologne MLG Raleigh 2010 Dreamhack Summer 2011 Homestory Cup III MLG Orlando 2011 MLG D.C 2010 IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou
Sure, if you say so.
On topic: I'm kind of surprised by this, actually. SlayerS seems to be in a bad position at the moment, so I hope things work out for them in the end. Anyway, if EG signs Stephano they might feel like they don't need a partner - perhaps they want a team house in Korea?
Nothing in 2012.... and rly 2010´s MLGs achievements dont count.When u play professional a sport in a top league achievements in youth are just gimmick(a funny notice)
I always laugh a little bit whenever EG starts all of their announcements with SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. or some other location. It makes it sound like crazy breaking news, haha.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
TSL3 Dreamhack Stockholm Open NASL S1 NASL S2 IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Cologne MLG Raleigh 2010 Dreamhack Summer 2011 Homestory Cup III MLG Orlando 2011 MLG D.C 2010 IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou
Sure, if you say so.
On topic: I'm kind of surprised by this, actually. SlayerS seems to be in a bad position at the moment, so I hope things work out for them in the end. Anyway, if EG signs Stephano they might feel like they don't need a partner - perhaps they want a team house in Korea?
Considering the players where most of those wins not in contact with EG, you are maybe right. Most of those accomplishments happend like more then 6 months ago. EG going to set up a teamhouse in korea T_T
Why wouldnt EG partner with LG-IM? Someone mentioned that LG-IM was connected with SK, but SK is hardly an SC2 team, with only one (amazing) SC2 player on their roster. Plus, EG and LG-IM share a couple big sponsors such as Steelseries and Intel. This could make a lot of sense.
So I wonder, if this happened, would it be LG-IM-SK-EG-MC-RC? Ha! Obviously not, just looks awesome. In a terrible way.
maybe one of stephano's preconditions was a partnership with tsl:D and partnerships with slayers have to end sooner or later, look around, jessica can't be someone who is pleasant to negotiate with
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
Idra won only 1 tourney involving a korean last year, and that was his teammate puma at iem, everything else was against foreigners
Who's better all-around? The only real competitors are possibly dignitas, complexity, fnatic and Na'Vi. Most teams are really focused into a single game, but EG (and complexity especially) have multiple strong players in multiple games and genres.
Other multigaming clans have accomplished more. The only notable thing about EG is their SSF4 roster because no one else bothers with fighting games.
Sad for Slayers, but how awesome would it be if EG started a pro gaming house in Korea?
With IdrA, Stephano, HuK, Puma, JYP all mass laddering (and streaming!) in Korea, their skill levels would rocket jump..
I think IdrA would benefit the most from that. He would have the perfect combination of a strong competitive environment whilst still living comfortably with his friends. He would be the old IdrA in a few short months...
On September 01 2012 18:03 mememolly wrote: weird, isn't that one of the main reasons Thorzain went to EG, rofl
not likely, training and starcraft 2 is high priority but also the need to be financially safe and play a game he loves. EG is supporting him as they do the rest in their dreams.
On September 01 2012 15:27 Bonkarooni wrote: Where is Huk going to stay?
IIRC Huk even when there was a partnership with slayers did not stay at the slayers house. I could be wrong on that though.
On September 01 2012 15:26 Ziken wrote: Huh, I wonder what the real cause behind this is.
Slayers is probably over. Will be recruited by SKT1 (just my guess). I can't see any other NEED to end it unless there is some big drama nobody knows about yet.
Hasn't the partnership been a thing for about a year? I wouldn't be surprised if the contract signed simply ended, and both parties agreed that they wouldn't renew. I'm sure it's simple business, not like Slayers is mad at EG, or EG is gonna make a gigantic power move, or anything like that. In either case, I wouldn't be surprised if EG announces a new partnership before the end of the year so they can keep a consistent environment for Puma and JYP. Housing in Korea is, from what I understand, insanely expensive, so I doubt EG is gonna open a house all by themselves, it makes more sense to find a new partner and continue to give Puma and JYP the training they need while keeping costs down.
On September 01 2012 15:26 Verator wrote: EGKR house? EGT8?!?!?! God, EG buying T8. EG.Jaedong. Wish this would happen.
I would not count on it. I reckon Jaedong's salary is a tad bit too much for EG to pay wouldn't you? They could afford him for one month then file for bankruptcy.
On September 01 2012 15:26 Verator wrote: EGKR house? EGT8?!?!?! God, EG buying T8. EG.Jaedong. Wish this would happen.
I would not count on it. I reckon Jaedong's salary is a tad bit too much for EG to pay wouldn't you? They could afford him for one month then file for bankruptcy.
This might be a bit off topic, and I'm fairly ignorant to the behind the scenes with Kespa, but wouldn't the players on team 8 be getting paid a lot less, since, from my understanding, they're free agents who weren't picked up after their former teams disbanded?
I'm sure Jaedong makes a good living, but I would have to believe that he isn't making so much that if EG wanted to make a power play by trying to buy him, they couldn't. It would likely require them to shuffle things around though.
On September 01 2012 18:06 BobbyAwesome wrote: Why wouldnt EG partner with LG-IM? Someone mentioned that LG-IM was connected with SK, but SK is hardly an SC2 team, with only one (amazing) SC2 player on their roster. Plus, EG and LG-IM share a couple big sponsors such as Steelseries and Intel. This could make a lot of sense.
If there was one esf team who didn't need a partnership it would be LG-IM. They are one of the more stable esf teams.
The depth they have for team leagues is frightening aswell. (not to mention MC for the GSTL)
Who's better all-around? The only real competitors are possibly dignitas, complexity, fnatic and Na'Vi. Most teams are really focused into a single game, but EG (and complexity especially) have multiple strong players in multiple games and genres.
Other multigaming clans have accomplished more. The only notable thing about EG is their SSF4 roster because no one else bothers with fighting games.
Their CS team used to be sick, their fighting game roster is bonkers, they were doing awesome in wow, their quake players are legendary and amongst the best in the world and their Dota squad is doing amazing, so you were saying ? ~
So much SlayerS hate here. There was no benefit for SlayerS in the partnership other than being able to use JYP in team leagues. They have or had conflicting sponsors. They received no money from EG for the partnership anyways. EG could be looking to get more people to Korea and have everyone under the same roof. MMA is back at the SlayerS house training hard for the upcoming GSL. SlayerS is not dead.
not sure fully of how clear it is of the aggreement of GOM / Kespa is but could Slayers partnership with SKT1? Afaik slayers wernt in the aggreement? maybe something for HoTs?
On September 01 2012 19:32 Near1985 wrote: not sure fully of how clear it is of the aggreement of GOM / Kespa is but could Slayers partnership with SKT1? Afaik slayers wernt in the aggreement? maybe something for HoTs?
This has been gone over 938492748172348623584625486345 times on these forums. Yes, Slayers is not part of the ESF, but they were specifically mentioned as being part of the trade lock agreement when it was drawn up.
On September 01 2012 16:40 FlukyS wrote: I think it seems like things are just going down hill fast for SlayerS. Poor performances for the players, losing their founder and most recognisable player to his old team, losing Taeja, Crank, Ganzi, Golden, Dragon and Clide and now this. Pretty hectic year so far. Id say the most likely announcement next will be that SlayerS is shutting up shop. Like they have a good roster on paper but a lot of them haven't done anything big in a while although seeing what Dark and Arthur are doing on some of the online qualifiers like NASL is encouraging. Anyway I hope im wrong.
Side note: Since SlayerS aren't in ESF and most of their players have pro gaming licences for being in the GSL already I wonder if they can be picked up by KeSPA teams if they close their doors.
Slayers is included in the player lock
If the team disband I can't see them forcing players to wait until 2013.
On September 01 2012 15:30 Reborn8u wrote: EG is probably gonna sign stephano, and they already have a team that can do very well in Korea. Their line-up is pretty stacked, they will probably be more successful in sc2 if they move the EG lair out to Korea.
Huk, Idra, Thorzain, JYP and Puma are all capable of winning any event if they play their best. The rest of their team is very good as well, not to take away from any of them. If they pick up a guy like stephano, they will have a powerful GSTL lineup. The other guys on their team like Incontrol, LZgamer, Machine, and Demuslim are all certainly top 10 contenders but I don't see them making it to the finals of any major events. However, if they had the whole lineup together in Korea, who knows. We could see all of them become top contenders.
AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAH FANBOI DETECTED. Never read such a bullshit. They should be happy by playing hte diamond league in korean Battle.Net. God those americans they live apart from this world... IdrA and being goood LOL HuK who had hard to fight not losing to TabbyTheFat or some other random players. xD
On September 01 2012 19:49 Fjodorov wrote: lol @ ppl saying slayers is dead now beacuse the partnership with EG is dead. Damn your world view is narrow.
No its not because of that, its because everything is going wrong lately for them. Not that I necessarly agree with the statement.
On September 01 2012 19:49 Fjodorov wrote: lol @ ppl saying slayers is dead now beacuse the partnership with EG is dead. Damn your world view is narrow.
Don't think people saying it just due to the EG thing but if you add everything that been going on you can see the team is going down.
On September 01 2012 15:30 Reborn8u wrote: EG is probably gonna sign stephano, and they already have a team that can do very well in Korea. Their line-up is pretty stacked, they will probably be more successful in sc2 if they move the EG lair out to Korea.
Huk, Idra, Thorzain, JYP and Puma are all capable of winning any event if they play their best. The rest of their team is very good as well, not to take away from any of them. If they pick up a guy like stephano, they will have a powerful GSTL lineup. The other guys on their team like Incontrol, LZgamer, Machine, and Demuslim are all certainly top 10 contenders but I don't see them making it to the finals of any major events. However, if they had the whole lineup together in Korea, who knows. We could see all of them become top contenders.
AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAH FANBOI DETECTED. Never read such a bullshit. They should be happy by playing hte diamond league in korean Battle.Net. God those americans they live apart from this world... IdrA and being goood LOL HuK who had hard to fight not losing to TabbyTheFat or some other random players. xD
On September 01 2012 15:30 Reborn8u wrote: EG is probably gonna sign stephano, and they already have a team that can do very well in Korea. Their line-up is pretty stacked, they will probably be more successful in sc2 if they move the EG lair out to Korea.
Huk, Idra, Thorzain, JYP and Puma are all capable of winning any event if they play their best. The rest of their team is very good as well, not to take away from any of them. If they pick up a guy like stephano, they will have a powerful GSTL lineup. The other guys on their team like Incontrol, LZgamer, Machine, and Demuslim are all certainly top 10 contenders but I don't see them making it to the finals of any major events. However, if they had the whole lineup together in Korea, who knows. We could see all of them become top contenders.
AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAH FANBOI DETECTED. Never read such a bullshit. They should be happy by playing hte diamond league in korean Battle.Net. God those americans they live apart from this world... IdrA and being goood LOL HuK who had hard to fight not losing to TabbyTheFat or some other random players. xD
I see where you're getting at with saying IdrA and HuK have fallen off and stuff.. But JYP is still decent at least.
On September 01 2012 19:49 Fjodorov wrote: lol @ ppl saying slayers is dead now beacuse the partnership with EG is dead. Damn your world view is narrow.
What people are remarking is the decisions thats been made lately by Slayers. First we have Jessica trying to get a female masters player into the team. Then when people said she sucks Jessica threatened to find out who they were and take them to court, given the ones she wanted to sue did say some pretty harsh stuff.Then we have the certain demotion of MMA. Boxer leaving the team to join his original team which is a part of Kespa. And now this, which had to be initated by Slayers.. You have to wonder what they are doing.
You're all looking at this wrong. EG is using this as another chance to promote themselves. SlayerS as a team are secretly planning to follow Boxer... via partnership.
Nar I think that it's rather simple really... EG will either move away from Korea, for now, or they'll announce some other new cool thing in Korea... either a partnership or a new venture... time will tell.
Either way, I'm glad that business went well and parted well ^_^
On September 01 2012 20:13 magicmUnky wrote: EG Jaedong.. mind blown.
Nar I think that it's rather simple really... EG will either move away from Korea, for now, or they'll announce some other new cool thing in Korea... either a partnership or a new venture... time will tell.
Either way, I'm glad that business went well and parted well ^_^
Pretty much this, Jaedong and MMA would be an AMAZING pickup for sure~
On September 01 2012 20:42 ShatterZer0 wrote: With BoxeR leaving and Crank and MMA three whiffs to the wind, I'm not surprised.
The SlayerS brand has lost much of its luster of late.
On another note... Does anyone else think EG's raring to buy up Team 8?
That's a dumb decision considering how expensive that would be. Jaedong probably makes about the same if not more than the entire EG team combined. People way overhype just how rich EG is.
Dunno why anyone wants JD and MMA to join EG. It is a horrible team, every player who joins, starts getting worse and worse. To be honest, I don't think JD would have interests, in joining such a team and this was prob the reason, why slayers said they won't waste their time with EG anymore....
Just doing some math, eg players in korea: Huk Puma JYP
If they pick up stephano and he is smart enough to get back to korea thats 4 people, only 1 more needed to play gstl, and there are still a lot of koreans who would make a lot more money playing for eg.
On September 01 2012 21:12 Chronos. wrote: I always seems a bit arrogant to me when EG puts things like "Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" in all of their official posts...
It's a promotion move. Every team does it. It has nothing to do with arrogance, they just that do that to have n00bs and possible sponsors think that they're the best team to support. Don't think too much into it.
On September 01 2012 21:01 2v2TLRSimba wrote: Worlds best video game team? On what basis? Largest house and most money..maybe? Biggest ego's for sure..
Every team says they're the best team or something close to it. Stop thinking too much into it. It's just pure business.
On September 01 2012 15:26 Ziken wrote: Huh, I wonder what the real cause behind this is.
Slayers seems to be sort of falling apart isn't it? Probably have something to do With that.
On September 01 2012 21:18 Lorch wrote: Just doing some math, eg players in korea: Huk Puma JYP
If they pick up stephano and he is smart enough to get back to korea thats 4 people, only 1 more needed to play gstl, and there are still a lot of koreans who would make a lot more money playing for eg.
Thorzain still wants to have his base in Korea aswell doesn't he?
"Evil Geniuses will continue to maintain a strong, ongoing training and team presence in South Korea, the details of which will be released in the coming weeks"
Hmm ... I assume they are cooking up a new partnership. Who with, though?
On September 01 2012 15:34 Gamegene wrote: TSL + EG partnership now I suppose!
TSL is already partnered With Millenium though aren't they? But With Stephano leaving Millenium I guess there aren't anyone left for TSL to host from Millenium. That would however get as close as it'll ever get to my dream EG.Symbol :p
On September 01 2012 21:18 Lorch wrote: Just doing some math, eg players in korea: Huk Puma JYP
If they pick up stephano and he is smart enough to get back to korea thats 4 people, only 1 more needed to play gstl, and there are still a lot of koreans who would make a lot more money playing for eg.
Thorzain still wants to have his base in Korea aswell doesn't he?
Yeah I just left him out because he dropped out of up and downs due to health problems (afaik), so I think it's kinda unclear now when he'll return to korea.
On September 01 2012 20:42 ShatterZer0 wrote: With BoxeR leaving and Crank and MMA three whiffs to the wind, I'm not surprised.
The SlayerS brand has lost much of its luster of late.
On another note... Does anyone else think EG's raring to buy up Team 8?
Gahaha, what the fuck are you smoking?
1. Team 8 players are contracted and "owned" by KeSPA. The buy out clause must be insane.
2. Jaedong's salary is higher than what EG's sc2 division is worth.
3. On top of that they have BaBy, someone that has been in the scene since he was like 9 and been with KeSPA since he was 12 years old. Probably the best multitasking Terran that have played Starcraft, and his overall mechanics are really good. One of the hotter KeSPA prospects to make a splash in sc2. Pretty much loved by everyone and his value is really high. I doubt KeSPA would let go of him easy...
4. And then they have 9 other players and coaching staff. Not the best but not the worse players either.
5. Why would they wanna leave KeSPA?
Basically, Team 8 is worth more than the whole EG organisation. Silly you.
On September 01 2012 21:12 Chronos. wrote: I always seems a bit arrogant to me when EG puts things like "Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" in all of their official posts...
Anyways I wonder whats gonna happen to all the EG who were staying in Korea, are they gonna set up their own house, maybe move?
I'm always confused why people type up these announcements in the format of press releases, which are typically for press pages and not for public consumption. Is it just to play business man?
Basically, Team 8 is worth more than the whole EG organisation. Silly you.
Obviously you know nothing about financial markets and leverage. You can borrow money, if you use it to buy a company, and use that company as a security for the banks.
Sure, that can backfire, but it can be done. (for backfire exapmle, read about Volkswagen and Porsche)
On September 01 2012 15:26 Verator wrote: EGKR house? EGT8?!?!?! God, EG buying T8. EG.Jaedong. Wish this would happen.
Clearly undershooting, EG buys KESPA.
Ahahahaha.
I wonder if SlayerS being part of that trade agreement with Kespa did have anything to do with EG and SlayerS ending their contract. Didn't EG just buy Stephano (unofficially)? I can't really see them wanting to rush to buy too many more players at the moment, even if they are godly Koreans with BW fanbases.
On September 01 2012 22:03 Selkie wrote: A weird note I can't get out of my head: Under what metric are EG calling themselves the best team in the world?
It just bothers me that's all.
(I'm not saying they're bad, or good, but I'd ask anyone who makes a similar claim: How can you claim to be the best?)
Without a doubt, iM is the best team in the world. 3 GSL Champions. 8 GSL code S trophies and the highest combined tournament winnings in the world. Lets not forget all the foreign tournaments they have brought home, IEM, MLG, IPL etc.
il Geniuses will continue to maintain a strong, ongoing training and team presence in South Korea, the details of which will be released in the coming weeks.
:p
But hey, maybe they ended it so they could pick up MMA and Crank.
On September 01 2012 22:03 Selkie wrote: A weird note I can't get out of my head: Under what metric are EG calling themselves the best team in the world?
It just bothers me that's all.
(I'm not saying they're bad, or good, but I'd ask anyone who makes a similar claim: How can you claim to be the best?)
EG's fighting game team and dota 2 team is somewhat top tier,
On September 01 2012 22:18 Freezd wrote: it seems like ending this partnership would only favor slayers so i dont think it was ended mutually
Just curious...why would it "favor" them? You don't think EG was paying for the opportunity to train there? Slayers has a lot of issues right now, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was a move by EG to upgrade digs there.
On September 01 2012 22:03 Selkie wrote: A weird note I can't get out of my head: Under what metric are EG calling themselves the best team in the world?
It just bothers me that's all.
(I'm not saying they're bad, or good, but I'd ask anyone who makes a similar claim: How can you claim to be the best?)
Without a doubt, iM is the best team in the world. 3 GSL Champions. 8 GSL code S trophies and the highest combined tournament winnings in the world. Lets not forget all the foreign tournaments they have brought home, IEM, MLG, IPL etc.
Don't they end the partnership just because they have no player left in Korea (except JYP who is Korean) so they have no need for a place to train ? They have no foreign player in the GSL anymore. It seems to me that this partnership was short term and that it has ended, they announce the end because announces are cool, but I wouldn't read too much in this.
On September 01 2012 22:54 MrCon wrote: Don't they end the partnership just because they have no player left in Korea (except JYP who is Korean) so they have no need for a place to train ? They have no foreign player in the GSL anymore. It seems to me that this partnership was short term and that it has ended, they announce the end because announces are cool, but I wouldn't read too much in this.
10 months isn't short term (especially when looking at other partnerships). They also have Puma there and Thorzain + others when there is time. And every end of partnerships gets announced. They made an own thread because of the risk that Slasher, Rakaka or other 3th parties could made up some conspiracies.
No offense, but how did the partnership benefit Slayers in the first place? EG got to send players to train in the Slayers house, but what for Slayers? As far as I can see, it didn't seem like an equitable agreement.
On September 01 2012 21:54 bropedo wrote: EG-CJ hwaiting!
I would rather have Liquid-CJ. I mean, you have 2 Heros together. ^^
On topic, I wasn't surprise with the ending of partnership. SlayerS is having an issue of their own. Since EG is cooking up another partnership, I wonder what team would it be?
On September 01 2012 23:14 Bagration wrote: No offense, but how did the partnership benefit Slayers in the first place? EG got to send players to train in the Slayers house, but what for Slayers? As far as I can see, it didn't seem like an equitable agreement.
Than why the hell would Slayers do it if the agreement isn't equitable? Slayers said "Yes, we want this". I'm sure they have like 100% more intel in what's going on with their contract than the forum posters here
On September 01 2012 23:14 Bagration wrote: No offense, but how did the partnership benefit Slayers in the first place? EG got to send players to train in the Slayers house, but what for Slayers? As far as I can see, it didn't seem like an equitable agreement.
Slayers would probably have got money from the deal. Charging rent to EG players effectively. That is how the likes of Naniwa was able to stay at Startale House. Quantic paid his rent there.
Hmm. A presence in Korea... maybe EG will buy the GOM "foreigner" house. Or go in with other foreign teams to establish a permanent beachhead. Or maybe the whole team will just sell the Lair and move it to a suburb of Seoul. (Nothing against Arizona, I just can't see it as being a thriving hub of eSports.)
Hmmm I'm curious to see what's gonna be their next move in Korea.
I don't think they can really afford a whole gaming house on their own, or they would have to move the EG Lair which would not be ideal. I'm guessing it's gonna be a new partnership, but with what team that's the question !
They could have a decent GSTL lineup on their own if they pick up Stephano btw
On September 01 2012 23:35 SHOOG wrote: Good. I didn't see anything in it for Slayers except if EG was giving them money.
JYP was sent out as ace for Slayers-EG and won there, he got pretty good playtime in the GSTL.
On the other hand no one else was really having a lot of exposure.
My guess on why it ended was just logistics. Housing JYP and Puma was already a lot of space (+ occasionally Idra/Demu). Now they have to fit Thorzain and potentially Stephano? Takes away space from players.
My guess is EG goes solo GSTL (HuK/Puma/JYP/Stephano/Thorzain... they may have to pick one more up), no KeSPA partnership.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
TSL3 Dreamhack Stockholm Open NASL S1 NASL S2 IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Cologne MLG Raleigh 2010 Dreamhack Summer 2011 Homestory Cup III MLG Orlando 2011 MLG D.C 2010 IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou
Sure, if you say so.
On topic: I'm kind of surprised by this, actually. SlayerS seems to be in a bad position at the moment, so I hope things work out for them in the end. Anyway, if EG signs Stephano they might feel like they don't need a partner - perhaps they want a team house in Korea?
Nothing in 2012.... and rly 2010´s MLGs achievements dont count.When u play professional a sport in a top league achievements in youth are just gimmick(a funny notice)
Okay so how many championships does Slayers have in 2012?
Haha, EG MMA. With the news of his slight drama a month-ish ago that might actually be within the realm of possibility.
I'm more interested to see if this is related to the upcoming announcement of Stephano joining the EG ranks, and his potential participation in the Korean scene in a more substantial way. The speculation about a new Korea-based EG house (which could also house other foreign players on temporary terms) and a possible GSTL line-up would be sick. And considering the recent SlayerS announcement of BoxeR leaving to coach SKT indicates to me that this is actually more to the benefit of EG than to SlayerS, opening up additional possibilities for the foreign team.
I hope EG is going to have a KR house and I want them to send all their top teir players to KR for a bootcamp for 6-7 months after incontrols wedding of course XD
maybe what'll happen is what I always wished would happen and EG and Liquid and whoever else go together and form a F.United version 2, but this time with 200% more victorious American freedom!
On September 02 2012 01:17 CeriseCherries wrote: maybe what'll happen is what I always wished would happen and EG and Liquid and whoever else go together and form a F.United version 2, but this time with 200% more victorious American freedom!
EG Liquid GSTL partnership would be the coolest for sure.
Yeah, if anything, Liquid alone in last GSTL season showed that a foreign team does not have enough depth and manpower on site in Korea to be able to make it far in GSTL. EG and Liquid together could be an option, but who knows.
Considering Stephano is willing and able to participate in GSTL, I wouldn't be surprised that if when they signed him they made a new team house in Korea to participate in GSTL.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
Really? I think that will happen. I remember they had plans for it before they partnered with SlayerS.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Are you kidding? PuMa has won quite a few international tournaments such as NASL, JYP did amazing thigns for SlayerS in team League, IdrA won three of the largest tournaments at the end of 11 an placed really well at Providence, ThorZain doesn't even need to be mentioned for his achievements are numerous, and let's not forget about Huk. So you clearly have no clue what you are talking about so just don't talk anymore cause you have nothing but falsehoods to say sir.
On September 02 2012 01:27 Proseat wrote: Yeah, if anything, Liquid alone in last GSTL season showed that a foreign team does not have enough depth and manpower on site in Korea to be able to make it far in GSTL. EG and Liquid together could be an option, but who knows.
Seconded. EG is not strong enough to solo in the GSTL, even with Stephano.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Are you kidding? PuMa has won quite a few international tournaments such as NASL, JYP did amazing thigns for SlayerS in team League, IdrA won three of the largest tournaments at the end of 11 an placed really well at Providence, ThorZain doesn't even need to be mentioned for his achievements are numerous, and let's not forget about Huk. So you clearly have no clue what you are talking about so just don't talk anymore cause you have nothing but falsehoods to say sir.
And you are a bit of a fanboy by not admitting that all EG players are on a slump for ages. Except JYP et Thorzain maybe.
On September 02 2012 01:27 Proseat wrote: Yeah, if anything, Liquid alone in last GSTL season showed that a foreign team does not have enough depth and manpower on site in Korea to be able to make it far in GSTL. EG and Liquid together could be an option, but who knows.
Seconded. EG is not strong enough to solo in the GSTL, even with Stephano.
They wouldn't contend for the title, but they'd be better than what Liquid put out last season... Taeja is the best of any player on either squad but a lineup of Stephano/Thorzain/JYP/Puma/some freebie (or HuK?) is a lot better than Taeja/Hero/three freebies.
On September 01 2012 22:18 Freezd wrote: it seems like ending this partnership would only favor slayers so i dont think it was ended mutually
Just curious...why would it "favor" them? You don't think EG was paying for the opportunity to train there? Slayers has a lot of issues right now, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was a move by EG to upgrade digs there.
no EG didn't pay anything. The partnership was made when all the teams did their stupid team partnership and most of them were short lived. EG got to house their players at the SlayerS house and get some training, SlayerS gets their name out there in foreign countries. Most of the EG players aren't in the SlayerS anyways, it was mainly just Puma and JYP. JYP doesn't train there anymore because he's studying for uni, HuK prefers to live with his buddies, and Puma is always traveling. There's no benefit to SlayerS or EG to continue this partnership.
Sad, but kinda makes sense. Slayers looks like it's having a hard time of it, and if you truly think it's sinking (Boxer leaving can't be a good sign), why stick around?
But if they're keeping up a strong team presence, a TL/EG partnership would be awesome. It would legitimately make a powerhouse team, and might even lead to a strong push. It'd at least be great for foreigner fan morale, which I always appreciate.
I think all these partnerships and new KR training houses have little effect on a team's sucess. People should just listen to the emperor's advice: Train harder if you want to survive in the world of e-sport.
On September 02 2012 03:04 Mauldo wrote: Sad, but kinda makes sense. Slayers looks like it's having a hard time of it, and if you truly think it's sinking (Boxer leaving can't be a good sign), why stick around?
But if they're keeping up a strong team presence, a TL/EG partnership would be awesome. It would legitimately make a powerhouse team, and might even lead to a strong push. It'd at least be great for foreigner fan morale, which I always appreciate.
Foreigners banding together to take down the Korean overlords!
On September 01 2012 22:18 Freezd wrote: it seems like ending this partnership would only favor slayers so i dont think it was ended mutually
Just curious...why would it "favor" them? You don't think EG was paying for the opportunity to train there? Slayers has a lot of issues right now, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was a move by EG to upgrade digs there.
no EG didn't pay anything. The partnership was made when all the teams did their stupid team partnership and most of them were short lived. EG got to house their players at the SlayerS house and get some training, SlayerS gets their name out there in foreign countries. Most of the EG players aren't in the SlayerS anyways, it was mainly just Puma and JYP. JYP doesn't train there anymore because he's studying for uni, HuK prefers to live with his buddies, and Puma is always traveling. There's no benefit to SlayerS or EG to continue this partnership.
Please, no need to assume things about what the details of the partnership were.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Are you kidding? PuMa has won quite a few international tournaments such as NASL, JYP did amazing thigns for SlayerS in team League, IdrA won three of the largest tournaments at the end of 11 an placed really well at Providence, ThorZain doesn't even need to be mentioned for his achievements are numerous, and let's not forget about Huk. So you clearly have no clue what you are talking about so just don't talk anymore cause you have nothing but falsehoods to say sir.
And you are a bit of a fanboy by not admitting that all EG players are on a slump for ages. Except JYP et Thorzain maybe.
No we know that but to say they have ZERO results is a lie. No matter how much you hate EG saying they have never achieved anything is a complete and utter lie and you know it. He wasn't saying they weren't in a slump right now or anything. So how you conclude he's a fanboy because he was telling the guy who claimed they have 0 results that he is wrong doesn't make you a fanboy btw.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Are you kidding? PuMa has won quite a few international tournaments such as NASL, JYP did amazing thigns for SlayerS in team League, IdrA won three of the largest tournaments at the end of 11 an placed really well at Providence, ThorZain doesn't even need to be mentioned for his achievements are numerous, and let's not forget about Huk. So you clearly have no clue what you are talking about so just don't talk anymore cause you have nothing but falsehoods to say sir.
And you are a bit of a fanboy by not admitting that all EG players are on a slump for ages. Except JYP et Thorzain maybe.
No we know that but to say they have ZERO results is a lie. No matter how much you hate EG saying they have never achieved anything is a complete and utter lie and you know it. He wasn't saying they weren't in a slump right now or anything. So how you conclude he's a fanboy because he was telling the guy who claimed they have 0 results that he is wrong doesn't make you a fanboy btw.
well in a regular foreign tourney with like 10 good koreans PuMa can best make top4, Jyp top 10, IdrA/TZain top 15, Huk round 3 OB. i guess thats counted as "posting result"
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Are you kidding? PuMa has won quite a few international tournaments such as NASL, JYP did amazing thigns for SlayerS in team League, IdrA won three of the largest tournaments at the end of 11 an placed really well at Providence, ThorZain doesn't even need to be mentioned for his achievements are numerous, and let's not forget about Huk. So you clearly have no clue what you are talking about so just don't talk anymore cause you have nothing but falsehoods to say sir.
And you are a bit of a fanboy by not admitting that all EG players are on a slump for ages. Except JYP et Thorzain maybe.
No we know that but to say they have ZERO results is a lie. No matter how much you hate EG saying they have never achieved anything is a complete and utter lie and you know it. He wasn't saying they weren't in a slump right now or anything. So how you conclude he's a fanboy because he was telling the guy who claimed they have 0 results that he is wrong doesn't make you a fanboy btw.
well in a regular foreign tourney with like 10 good koreans PuMa can best make top4, Jyp top 10, IdrA/TZain top 15, Huk round 3 OB. i guess thats counted as "posting result"
There aren't any foreign teams that can match those results... considering there are 10 good koreans to have two of them in the top 10 and another two in the top 15 would be considered pretty good... O_O
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
People seem to be confusing best video game team with best SC2 team. Just so you know, SC2 isn't the only video game played at a competitive level.
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
Slayers is confusing me lately anyway... Their management just seems so sketchy lately with the whole MMA thing and then Boxer coaching elsewhere. EG is fine by theirselves.
On September 02 2012 04:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Feels like slayers is really going downhill since that mma incident.
Yeah, ever since MMA, there's been:
Crank leaving + Drama Getting all-killed in the GSTL LOSING FUCKING BOXER Now ending the EG partnership.
yeah, to say something isn't up with SlayerS seems naive. I do think it goes back to Taeja and Ganzi leaving. SlayerS lost their identity of the Terran team when those two left because MMA wasn't able to keep it up himself.
And Jessica said she would be making a statement about the whole Boxer leaving, did that ever come?
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
People seem to be confusing best video game team with best SC2 team. Just so you know, SC2 isn't the only video game played at a competitive level.
Crazy speculation here but considering that EG is heavily leaning and hinting towards a training house in Korea does anyone else think EG has acquired not only Stephano (who is currently residing in Korea) but also Naniwa? Naniwa has been training in Korea for the last couple of weeks or so in an undisclosed location leaking little to no information about his where abouts, considering we know that EG has had some involvement in his situation with Quantic is to far fetched to think he may be announced as a new player in the upcoming weeks along with a training house involving him, Stephano, Huk, Thorzain, JYP(Who was on friendly terms with Naniwa at IEM disregarding the incident), and Puma?
As unlikely as this is the pieces fit together rather nicely.
On September 02 2012 01:09 Xlyem wrote: I hope EG is going to have a KR house and I want them to send all their top teir players to KR for a bootcamp for 6-7 months after incontrols wedding of course XD
Sounds like a nice honeymoon :p
But not really sure if EG can defend their own team-house even with Huk, Stephano, Thorzain, Idra, JYP and Puma having their main base there. At least if they plan to have the standard Huk wants with cooks and maids and shit.
I think a deal with TL would be a good idea though, something similar to the way the newest Slayers-apartments are set up with 1 apartment where they live and then another one for food and training.
On September 02 2012 01:09 Xlyem wrote: I hope EG is going to have a KR house and I want them to send all their top teir players to KR for a bootcamp for 6-7 months after incontrols wedding of course XD
Sounds like a nice honeymoon :p
But not really sure if EG can defend their own team-house even with Huk, Stephano, Thorzain, Idra, JYP and Puma having their main base there. At least if they plan to have the standard Huk wants with cooks and maids and shit.
I think a deal with TL would be a good idea though, something similar to the way the newest Slayers-apartments are set up with 1 apartment where they live and then another one for food and training.
if foreigner team tho, tajea might wind up having to carry 2+ teams ~.~
On September 02 2012 01:43 Alltomata wrote: Considering Stephano is willing and able to participate in GSTL, I wouldn't be surprised that if when they signed him they made a new team house in Korea to participate in GSTL.
Except Stephano's goal is to make as much money as possible. Being crushed by Koreans is not the way to make the most money, its to go to weak tournaments and crush other foreigners faces before inevitably falling to some Korean.
On September 02 2012 05:40 Braric wrote: Crazy speculation here but considering that EG is heavily leaning and hinting towards a training house in Korea does anyone else think EG has acquired not only Stephano (who is currently residing in Korea) but also Naniwa? Naniwa has been training in Korea for the last couple of weeks or so in an undisclosed location leaking little to no information about his where abouts, considering we know that EG has had some involvement in his situation with Quantic is to far fetched to think he may be announced as a new player in the upcoming weeks along with a training house involving him, Stephano, Huk, Thorzain, JYP(Who was on friendly terms with Naniwa at IEM disregarding the incident), and Puma?
As unlikely as this is the pieces fit together rather nicely.
On September 02 2012 04:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Feels like slayers is really going downhill since that mma incident.
Yeah, ever since MMA, there's been:
Crank leaving + Drama Getting all-killed in the GSTL LOSING FUCKING BOXER Now ending the EG partnership.
Losing Boxer was the major hit, and it is a big one, since Boxer is the heart and soul of Slayers. Losing Crank also sucks, but Genius joined (which somewhat evens out I guess). Ending the EG partnership is irrelevant, I feel.
Since when does making the GSTL finals mean that the team is going downhill? Yeah, we got all-killed, and that sucks, but the finals are the finals. People give Slayers shit for getting all-killed, but often forget that Prime, Liquid, Startale, and SK-IM won a total of 0 GSTL matches between them last season. Prime, Liquid and SK-IM also got all-killed too.
On September 02 2012 04:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Feels like slayers is really going downhill since that mma incident.
Yeah, ever since MMA, there's been:
Crank leaving + Drama Getting all-killed in the GSTL LOSING FUCKING BOXER Now ending the EG partnership.
Losing Boxer was the major hit, and it is a big one, since Boxer is the heart and soul of Slayers. Losing Crank also sucks, but Genius joined (which somewhat evens out I guess). Ending the EG partnership is irrelevant, I feel.
Since when does making the GSTL finals mean that the team is going downhill? Yeah, we got all-killed, and that sucks, but the finals are the finals. People give Slayers shit for getting all-killed, but often forget that Prime, Liquid, Startale, and SK-IM won a total of 0 GSTL matches between them last season. Prime, Liquid and SK-IM also got all-killed too.
well JYP kinda carried slayers in a couple of matches. they will miss him
On September 02 2012 04:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Feels like slayers is really going downhill since that mma incident.
Yeah, ever since MMA, there's been:
Crank leaving + Drama Getting all-killed in the GSTL LOSING FUCKING BOXER Now ending the EG partnership.
Losing Boxer was the major hit, and it is a big one, since Boxer is the heart and soul of Slayers. Losing Crank also sucks, but Genius joined (which somewhat evens out I guess). Ending the EG partnership is irrelevant, I feel.
Since when does making the GSTL finals mean that the team is going downhill? Yeah, we got all-killed, and that sucks, but the finals are the finals. People give Slayers shit for getting all-killed, but often forget that Prime, Liquid, Startale, and SK-IM won a total of 0 GSTL matches between them last season. Prime, Liquid and SK-IM also got all-killed too.
well JYP kinda carried slayers in a couple of matches. they will miss him
I won't dispute that. JYP was really clutch for the team this season, and it will suck to lose him.
On September 02 2012 01:43 Alltomata wrote: Considering Stephano is willing and able to participate in GSTL, I wouldn't be surprised that if when they signed him they made a new team house in Korea to participate in GSTL.
Except Stephano's goal is to make as much money as possible. Being crushed by Koreans is not the way to make the most money, its to go to weak tournaments and crush other foreigners faces before inevitably falling to some Korean.
Except when you have it in contract which will make you more than few weak tournament wins.
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
People seem to be confusing best video game team with best SC2 team. Just so you know, SC2 isn't the only video game played at a competitive level.
And Korean doesn't only play SC2.
Indeed, plus teams like SK have all sorts of sports teams as well, but that's getting really off-topic. -_-
On September 02 2012 03:11 forumtext wrote: I think all these partnerships and new KR training houses have little effect on a team's sucess. People should just listen to the emperor's advice: Train harder if you want to survive in the world of e-sport.
I saw some guy posting somewhere about 7-8 months, but I cannot find it and that's a complete joke. It takes a lot longer training under those conditions and even then some guys still won't be up to snuff as they all have their own peaks.
Agree with the Emperor though: hard work, hard work, hard work for the payoff. Unfortunately most players don't know the meaning of hard work. Crack them with whips. Work them to the bone. Let's see how much they actually enjoy the game.
On September 02 2012 01:43 Alltomata wrote: Considering Stephano is willing and able to participate in GSTL, I wouldn't be surprised that if when they signed him they made a new team house in Korea to participate in GSTL.
Except Stephano's goal is to make as much money as possible. Being crushed by Koreans is not the way to make the most money, its to go to weak tournaments and crush other foreigners faces before inevitably falling to some Korean.
Stephano won another grand a couple of days ago by crushing three more Code S Koreans.
On September 02 2012 01:43 Alltomata wrote: Considering Stephano is willing and able to participate in GSTL, I wouldn't be surprised that if when they signed him they made a new team house in Korea to participate in GSTL.
Except Stephano's goal is to make as much money as possible. Being crushed by Koreans is not the way to make the most money, its to go to weak tournaments and crush other foreigners faces before inevitably falling to some Korean.
Except when you have it in contract which will make you more than few weak tournament wins.
unless his contract says he has to go to Korea he wont. GSTL pays too little to each player. He would rather just hangout in the nice EG house, go out to MLG/NASL and finish his standard top 8-top 4 and collect the easy money from weak foreigners and lose to the stronger koreans.
On September 01 2012 16:59 xrapture wrote: " Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team" ??????????????
In terms of all-around presence, that's probably true. Fnatic and dignitas might be able to challenge that, but EG has extremely good presences in Dota 2, Starcraft 2 and the fighting game scene, plus the remnants of World of Warcraft. They've also still got n0thing so they haven't completely severed their ties with CS.
Kespa teams are 10x bigger and better than EG, wtf are you smoking?
People seem to be confusing best video game team with best SC2 team. Just so you know, SC2 isn't the only video game played at a competitive level.
And Korean doesn't only play SC2.
Indeed, plus teams like SK have all sorts of sports teams as well, but that's getting really off-topic. -_-
On September 02 2012 03:11 forumtext wrote: I think all these partnerships and new KR training houses have little effect on a team's sucess. People should just listen to the emperor's advice: Train harder if you want to survive in the world of e-sport.
I saw some guy posting somewhere about 7-8 months, but I cannot find it and that's a complete joke. It takes a lot longer training under those conditions and even then some guys still won't be up to snuff as they all have their own peaks.
Agree with the Emperor though: hard work, hard work, hard work for the payoff. Unfortunately most players don't know the meaning of hard work. Crack them with whips. Work them to the bone. Let's see how much they actually enjoy the game.
The only motto that matters in context of this dicussion.
Hard Work Beats Talent, When Talent Doesn’t Work Hard
Stephano's one of the most talented players there is. I think he probably got a taste of a strong training regimen at TSL house when he was there, but he wasn't there long enough imo to really get to a level that would ascend him to his current levels and become the great foreigner hope. Maybe he can manage something like that with EG over time though - he has confirmed EG house all they do is really practice and play - too bad it hasn't translated to any massive results (hard to attribute Thorzain's WCS Sweden win on EG training, it's probably more to do with SlayerS house training).
That being said, when it's all said and done. I hope SlayerS does come out ahead of this and doesn't slowly crumble apart though.
Pretty inevitable imo. These partnerships do come across as primarily being more about convenience / publicity than any true desire to forge a long term relationship of eternity.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
I don't understand people like you.... but check your facts first, ignoring tournament results, PuMa and JYP both played and won for SlayerSEG in the last GSTL, so that alone helped them...
On September 01 2012 15:23 EG.lectR wrote: ABOUT EVIL GENIUSES Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team.
Wth? What are they smoking lol.
Read the thread.
Throughout the years they've had some of the best CS teams, some of the best DotA teams, best fighting game teams, etc. They're definitely in contention for that title.
Besides, every team hypes themselves up. It's called marketing, and EG is very good at it.
meh, it was pretty much just for GSTL anyway, right? I dont think EG has that much interest in playing GSTL. Its probably more cost efficient to them to participate in foreign tournaments than in the GSTL.
On September 02 2012 13:15 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: What the heck? When was Slayer ever dealing with video game teams?
EDIT: Ah, SlayerS :D. That changes everything. well, that really hurts EG's chances in the GSTL as well as their presence/practice in Korea.
oh god if the band Slayer were to sponsor a team I would be that teams biggest fan ever, even if they were to have 0 good players. Curious to see what EG will do, if they will partner with another korean team or maybe buy their own korean house or maybe even make a korean house with another foreign team.
Darn, really two of my favorite teams. Well I hope SlayerS will stay strong. Jessica wish you the best of luck in the GSTL! Same for EG if they make a appearance in the GSTL.
Its pretty sad that there hasnt been a single partnership that has lasted. I wonder how the deals are structured to make it so that they all fall apart after a few months.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
idra won 3 foreigner tournaments at the start of sc2 when everyone was shit. Puma won nasl before he joined i thought?
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
idra won 3 foreigner tournaments at the start of sc2 when everyone was shit. Puma won nasl before he joined i thought?
Puma won NASL 1 and 2, 2 was while on EG. He also won IEM Cologne while on EG. and Idra won two tournaments in the second half of 2011...
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
idra won 3 foreigner tournaments at the start of sc2 when everyone was shit. Puma won nasl before he joined i thought?
Puma won NASL 1 and 2, 2 was while on EG. He also won IEM Cologne while on EG. and Idra won two tournaments in the second half of 2011...
ah ok i dont follow terrans much. And idra only won 1 tournament that wasnt foreigner only. Which is still good. But the fanboyism for eg is so strong, that you'd think they had a team that wrecked house...
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
idra won 3 foreigner tournaments at the start of sc2 when everyone was shit. Puma won nasl before he joined i thought?
Puma won NASL 1 and 2, 2 was while on EG. He also won IEM Cologne while on EG. and Idra won two tournaments in the second half of 2011...
ah ok i dont follow terrans much. And idra only won 1 tournament that wasnt foreigner only. Which is still good. But the fanboyism for eg is so strong, that you'd think they had a team that wrecked house...
well, the hate is so strong you would think they never won a single tournament. and honestly only one team wrecks house and thats LG-IM.
Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team.
this is so funny.
Yet it's true.
nope. They aint notable for any title of competitive video games. I mean, for CS we got SK, fnatic, that five polish bros who switched team every year and won titles, etc. , for Wc3 we got 4K, SK, WE, mYm, for BW/sc2 we got Koreans. Same goes for Quake/dota/etc. I know Justin Wong won some American titles every once in a while but fighting genre is all but team-based and I can name 35 better Japaneses. Anw, team that covers the most games, yes.
Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team.
this is so funny.
Yet it's true.
nope. They aint notable for any title of competitive video games. I mean, for CS we got SK, fnatic, that five polish bros who switched team every year and won titles, etc. , for Wc3 we got 4K, SK, WE, mYm, for BW/sc2 we got Koreans. Same goes for Quake/dota/etc. I know Justin Wong won some American titles every once in a while but fighting genre is all but team-based and I can name 35 better Japaneses. Anw, team that covers the most games, yes.
Justin Wong is a legendary figure in the fighting game community. Dismissing him as a guy who 'won some American titles every once in a while' is silly. Ricky Ortiz and floe aren't up to his standard, obviously, but very few people in the wold are.
Long ago, EG was possibly the best Dota team in the world. Fear, Merlini, Demon, Azen and Swiss made a pretty incredible roster. These days they're very good. They aren't the best, but they're arguably the best NA team and top five in SEA, EU and NA (basically, excluding China).
czm and DaHanG are both awesome Quake players and took second and fourth at this year's QuakeCon. Their WoW team still does stuff - what, I don't know because I don't care at all. I know they're still active and competing though.
So maybe they aren't quite the best in the world at any given game, but I'm willing to bet that if you set up a Bo5 tournament with Dota 2, Starcraft, Street Fighter 4 AE 2012 or UMvC3, Quake and CSGO or CS1.6, EG would win. The only real competition they'd have would be from coL, who also have incredible fighting game talent, Dota 2 talent and SC2 players.
Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team.
this is so funny.
Yet it's true.
nope. They aint notable for any title of competitive video games. I mean, for CS we got SK, fnatic, that five polish bros who switched team every year and won titles, etc. , for Wc3 we got 4K, SK, WE, mYm, for BW/sc2 we got Koreans. Same goes for Quake/dota/etc. I know Justin Wong won some American titles every once in a while but fighting genre is all but team-based and I can name 35 better Japaneses. Anw, team that covers the most games, yes.
Justin Wong just recently won arguably the hardest fighting tournament in the world in MvC3, in Japan no less. You are clearly ignorant. Good evening.
On September 01 2012 15:23 EG.lectR wrote: SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. - SEPTEMBER 1, 2012. Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team. With support from brands like Intel, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, SteelSeries, and others, EG’s roster includes prominent players such as Justin "JWong" Wong, Greg "IdrA" Fields, Chris “HuK” Loranger, Clinton "Fear" Loomis, and Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson. For more than a decade, Evil Geniuses’ teams and players have been bringing home championship trophies from the world’s most prestigious gaming tournaments, and continue to serve as community pillars for gamers everywhere.
Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team.
this is so funny.
Yet it's true.
nope. They aint notable for any title of competitive video games. I mean, for CS we got SK, fnatic, that five polish bros who switched team every year and won titles, etc. , for Wc3 we got 4K, SK, WE, mYm, for BW/sc2 we got Koreans. Same goes for Quake/dota/etc. I know Justin Wong won some American titles every once in a while but fighting genre is all but team-based and I can name 35 better Japaneses. Anw, team that covers the most games, yes.
Justin Wong just recently won arguably the hardest fighting tournament in the world in MvC3, in Japan no less. You are clearly ignorant. Good evening.
yea he won a console tourney that no one cared about (and almost no audience too) in a legendary arcade tournament. Not to mention his opponents were reportedly drunk in protest of the stupid organizing.
My point is, sure EG got some decent players/teams across the genres but not contender ones (ok except for JWong). You should not brag about yourself being the best without having the bests.
On September 01 2012 15:26 fawkz wrote: not surprising considering EG has zero players who have ever achieved anything.
Damn didn't realize Idra winning 3 or so tournaments last year was no results. Or Puma winning NASL season 2, or many of their other good results.
Man your stupidity just blew my mind.
On topic I am not surprised they disbanded. With boxer going to SKT I had imagined something like this would happen with slayers. I just wonder what's going to happen to the team.
I also wonder if this means EG will get a team house or something in korea (doubtful) but would be cool non the less.
idra won 3 foreigner tournaments at the start of sc2 when everyone was shit. Puma won nasl before he joined i thought?
Puma won NASL 1 and 2, 2 was while on EG. He also won IEM Cologne while on EG. and Idra won two tournaments in the second half of 2011...
ah ok i dont follow terrans much. And idra only won 1 tournament that wasnt foreigner only. Which is still good. But the fanboyism for eg is so strong, that you'd think they had a team that wrecked house...
The zealot-like fanboys of EG are only about as strong as the blind haters that trail any EG topic.
On September 01 2012 21:01 2v2TLRSimba wrote: Worlds best video game team? On what basis? Largest house and most money..maybe? Biggest ego's for sure..
When you talk about all of their accomplishments through their history in all of their games, yea its pretty hard to argue otherwise. Only people to challenge that quote is sk, fnatic, navi, mym.
is Alexander Garfield the really young-looking dude from the Liquid docmentary? then who is Cody Conners? whats the difference between CEO and general manager?
On September 03 2012 00:15 snively wrote: is Alexander Garfield the really young-looking dude from the Liquid docmentary? then who is Cody Conners? whats the difference between CEO and general manager?
One of them runs the company, does things with investors, essentially controls the company. The other runs the day-to-day affairs.
On September 03 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team." Getting cocky I see...
Here, let me fix it for the easily upset:
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is a good video game team that tries really hard and has the best intentions for everyone everwhere. We hope you think of us as a humble group of individuals that enjoy gaming."
On September 03 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team." Getting cocky I see...
Here, let me fix it for the easily upset:
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is a good video game team that tries really hard and has the best intentions for everyone everwhere. We hope you think of us as a humble group of individuals that enjoy gaming."
You don't have to put your pants down man. "One of the world's best" would be good, sorry but THE WORLD BEST was a bit too much.
On September 03 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team." Getting cocky I see...
Here, let me fix it for the easily upset:
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is a good video game team that tries really hard and has the best intentions for everyone everwhere. We hope you think of us as a humble group of individuals that enjoy gaming."
You don't have to put your pants down man. "One of the world's best" would be good, sorry but THE WORLD BEST was a bit too much.
Have you ever heard of a team not call themselves the best? Don't see why you have your panties all in a bunch.
On September 03 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team." Getting cocky I see...
Here, let me fix it for the easily upset:
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is a good video game team that tries really hard and has the best intentions for everyone everwhere. We hope you think of us as a humble group of individuals that enjoy gaming."
You don't have to put your pants down man. "One of the world's best" would be good, sorry but THE WORLD BEST was a bit too much.
Have you ever seen a commercial in your entire life?
I think there is 5 different toothpaste brands who are "the most used by Swedish dentists". That's how marketing works. You don't go out and market yourself as "we're good, not the best but we are ok at what we do."
Seems long due. Boxer and MMA sealed the deal. I'm not entirely sure who profited more from the relationship since Slayers isnt a exactly prime team but it had celebrity status, but EG, lets be honest, really lacks substantial depth. JYP and Puma are ex-promising players. Huk is not even in the radar. IdrA is getting to cliche. The rest are not even anywhere near the necessity of mention.
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best marketed video game team". There, fixed. Seriously now, how can they say they're the world's best video game team? Best at what? because it's not starcraft, it's not dota 2 either.
On September 03 2012 03:52 Kabras wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best marketed video game team". There, fixed. Seriously now, how can they say they're the world's best video game team? Best at what? because it's not starcraft, it's not dota 2 either.
They have some of the best SC, DotA 2, SF, etc. players. They've also had tons of success in the past. It's a combination of having really good teams in TONS of games, as well as having a legacy that spans more years than a majority of e-sports entities.
On September 03 2012 05:59 ChoDing wrote: This is great. EG is a very strong team, just got to remove some 'not so much pro' players.
you know who you are, find yourself other things to do or DO BETTER
some of their players? you wanted to say half the team?
LzGamer, Incontrol, Machine and Demuslim never do well in offline tournaments. And i would even fire Idra because he is not professional, he is bad mannered and not a good sportsman.
On September 03 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best video game team." Getting cocky I see...
Here, let me fix it for the easily upset:
"Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is a good video game team that tries really hard and has the best intentions for everyone everwhere. We hope you think of us as a humble group of individuals that enjoy gaming."
You don't have to put your pants down man. "One of the world's best" would be good, sorry but THE WORLD BEST was a bit too much.
Have you ever seen a commercial in your entire life?
I think there is 5 different toothpaste brands who are "the most used by Swedish dentists". That's how marketing works. You don't go out and market yourself as "we're good, not the best but we are ok at what we do."
Really? That would be illegal here, at least for four of those brands, because all claims of fact must be correct. Interesting. Of course, "best videogame team" is maybe vague enough that it wouldn't count as much of a claim of fact.
On September 03 2012 05:59 ChoDing wrote: This is great. EG is a very strong team, just got to remove some 'not so much pro' players.
you know who you are, find yourself other things to do or DO BETTER
some of their players? you wanted to say half the team?
LzGamer, Incontrol, Machine and Demuslim never do well in offline tournaments. And i would even fire Idra because he is not professional, he is bad mannered and not a good sportsman.
It's a good thing you aren't the manager of EG then. Idra over the course of his time with them has brought them (and their sponsors) more exposure than any other player on any other team has. Also, Demuslim has had some really good results, he is just inconsistent.
On September 03 2012 05:59 ChoDing wrote: This is great. EG is a very strong team, just got to remove some 'not so much pro' players.
you know who you are, find yourself other things to do or DO BETTER
some of their players? you wanted to say half the team?
LzGamer, Incontrol, Machine and Demuslim never do well in offline tournaments. And i would even fire Idra because he is not professional, he is bad mannered and not a good sportsman.
On September 03 2012 03:52 Kabras wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best marketed video game team". There, fixed. Seriously now, how can they say they're the world's best video game team? Best at what? because it's not starcraft, it's not dota 2 either.
They have some of the best SC, DotA 2, SF, etc. players. They've also had tons of success in the past. It's a combination of having really good teams in TONS of games, as well as having a legacy that spans more years than a majority of e-sports entities.
what? EG Does not have 'some of the best dota2 players' sorry, thats just how it is.
since Boxer left to SKT1 this is not really a surprise, and if EG pulled out of that partnership it wouldn't surprise me either... just sad to see Slayers having such a hard time and losing so many players recently I wish them good luck and hope, the Emperor is not done with them, yet!
On September 03 2012 03:52 Kabras wrote: "Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses is the world’s best marketed video game team". There, fixed. Seriously now, how can they say they're the world's best video game team? Best at what? because it's not starcraft, it's not dota 2 either.
They have some of the best SC, DotA 2, SF, etc. players. They've also had tons of success in the past. It's a combination of having really good teams in TONS of games, as well as having a legacy that spans more years than a majority of e-sports entities.
what? EG Does not have 'some of the best dota2 players' sorry, thats just how it is.
On September 03 2012 02:15 TsGBruzze wrote: why is it so much hate on EG? srsly they are not worse than everyone else, infact they are pretty good...
Personally I hate them because they have no successful homegrown talent. They just buy up talent at the expense of other teams that raised that talent from nothing. I find it hard to root for that, especially when most of them have done worse on EG than they did on their previous team.
Flame me if you want, but that most people who dislike EG will cite at least a part of what I said above.
And if they recruit MMA, my favorite player, I'm afraid I will have to jump ship on being his fan.
On September 03 2012 02:15 TsGBruzze wrote: why is it so much hate on EG? srsly they are not worse than everyone else, infact they are pretty good...
Personally I hate them because they have no successful homegrown talent. They just buy up talent at the expense of other teams that raised that talent from nothing. I find it hard to root for that, especially when most of them have done worse on EG than they did on their previous team.
Flame me if you want, but that most people who dislike EG will cite at least a part of what I said above.
And if they recruit MMA, my favorite player, I'm afraid I will have to jump ship on being his fan.
Well if you stopped being his fan because he joined EG you really weren't much of a fan anyway.
Also They do have some homegrown Idra . That's about it though (idra went to EG very early in sc2 and he was with eg pretty much since sc2 came out).
LOL still can't believe people are mentioning the "worlds best video game team" thing.
Personally I think something they already use in statements/press releases they give out sounds better.. "North America's premier professional gaming team" .. yeah I think that sounds better (is also more accurate).
But honestly, some of the reactions are just hilarious... they are just marketing themselves.
On September 03 2012 02:15 TsGBruzze wrote: why is it so much hate on EG? srsly they are not worse than everyone else, infact they are pretty good...
Personally I hate them because they have no successful homegrown talent. They just buy up talent at the expense of other teams that raised that talent from nothing. I find it hard to root for that, especially when most of them have done worse on EG than they did on their previous team.
Flame me if you want, but that most people who dislike EG will cite at least a part of what I said above.
And if they recruit MMA, my favorite player, I'm afraid I will have to jump ship on being his fan.
Well if you stopped being his fan because he joined EG you really weren't much of a fan anyway.
Also They do have some homegrown Idra . That's about it though (idra went to EG very early in sc2 and he was with eg pretty much since sc2 came out).
I'm not a blind fanboy to anything. There are things players that I am a fan of can do that would cost them my following. MMA joining EG is one of them and if he were to do it I would have no problem never having been considered a true fan.
And Idra hasn't done nearly enough to be considered homegrown talent. Homegrown yes. Talent no.
On September 03 2012 02:15 TsGBruzze wrote: why is it so much hate on EG? srsly they are not worse than everyone else, infact they are pretty good...
Personally I hate them because they have no successful homegrown talent. They just buy up talent at the expense of other teams that raised that talent from nothing. I find it hard to root for that, especially when most of them have done worse on EG than they did on their previous team.
Flame me if you want, but that most people who dislike EG will cite at least a part of what I said above.
And if they recruit MMA, my favorite player, I'm afraid I will have to jump ship on being his fan.
Well if you stopped being his fan because he joined EG you really weren't much of a fan anyway.
Also They do have some homegrown Idra . That's about it though (idra went to EG very early in sc2 and he was with eg pretty much since sc2 came out).
I'm not a blind fanboy to anything. There are things players that I am a fan of can do that would cost them my following. MMA joining EG is one of them and if he were to do it I would have no problem never having been considered a true fan.
And Idra hasn't done nearly enough to be considered homegrown talent. Homegrown yes. Talent no.
Saying Idra is an EG homegrown talent is PRETTY weird.
On September 03 2012 18:03 Greggle wrote: I mean he was good in beta and 2010, but there's a ton of players that were good in beta that nobody claims are that great anymore.
EG only gave him exposure in SC2 scene, almost everything that was being said about him was just a continuation of a few year story. Both his mannerism and mechanics (2 biggest distinctive features of him as a player) were grown elsewhere.
On September 03 2012 02:15 TsGBruzze wrote: why is it so much hate on EG? srsly they are not worse than everyone else, infact they are pretty good...
Personally I hate them because they have no successful homegrown talent. They just buy up talent at the expense of other teams that raised that talent from nothing. I find it hard to root for that, especially when most of them have done worse on EG than they did on their previous team.
Flame me if you want, but that most people who dislike EG will cite at least a part of what I said above.
And if they recruit MMA, my favorite player, I'm afraid I will have to jump ship on being his fan.
Well if you stopped being his fan because he joined EG you really weren't much of a fan anyway.
Also They do have some homegrown Idra . That's about it though (idra went to EG very early in sc2 and he was with eg pretty much since sc2 came out).
I'm not a blind fanboy to anything. There are things players that I am a fan of can do that would cost them my following. MMA joining EG is one of them and if he were to do it I would have no problem never having been considered a true fan.
And Idra hasn't done nearly enough to be considered homegrown talent. Homegrown yes. Talent no.
Saying Idra is an EG homegrown talent is PRETTY weird.
Idra is CJ entus talent if anything, but his recent success you can claim as his own or EG's. If the EG curse has any truth to it I believe it's only cause is EG treating it's players way too good. I mean when Idra first came over from Korea he adopted the stance "you don't need to practice to be good at this game." That ignorance continued until he started falling off. I don't know if he was trolling viewers or what but EG should've put a stop to that if he was for real, but it seems like they were treating him like a prince at the time and giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think the freedom and security that EG gives the players may be what's hurting their performance, but should we be hating on EG for treating their players so well that their play may decline, or should we hate other teams for stories you hear of player abuse or working B teamers like slaves. Seems like more hate on EG from threads like this.
Would be interesting if EG will partner up with another Korean team or build their own gaming house in Korea. However, considering they have had one in Arizona, the latter is not likely.
Next bus stop: EG partner with SKT1. (basically still help Boxer)
"We are very grateful for Jessica and all of SlayerS’ assistance" - since it's not written as "Jessica's", it makes it sound as if Jessica was offered to EG along with SlayerS' assistance. (:
On September 04 2012 22:29 TheRealNanMan wrote: I' love to see EG set up a house in Korea unlikely sadly but maybe they could partner with liquid, Huk trains at their place anyway
I'm not sure why everyone is suggesting that EG is going to be picking up SlayerS players? True, EG buys its talent. Nor has EG put points up on the board in a long time. The EG Koreans are the ones that show the most promise. But its not like either team disbanded, the partnership just ended.
SlayerS will be just fine competing in the GSTL themselves.
I don't know why people think a partnership is so important for Korean teams. It seems to me like the foreign teams benefit a ton more since they get such a great training environment. Korean teams get a few foreigners that generally aren't nearly as good as their code A players.
And it isn't like SlayerS won't be practicing with Puma or JYP anymore, they don't need to be in the same room for that. The only real hit here is no JYP in the GSTL, but I think SlayerS will be fine.
On September 05 2012 03:03 JimSocks wrote: Its not like eg added anything to their roster anyway. If slayers can't get another partnership then something us wrong with management
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