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KeSPA seeds for GSL S4 Announced - Page 25

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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2012 15:35 GMT
#481
On September 01 2012 12:23 babylon wrote:
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On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote:
Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu?

Bisu ..... lol.


Hey he can beat up sea any time of the week at least.
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
September 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#482
On September 02 2012 03:00 Sandermatt wrote:
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On September 02 2012 00:08 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
On September 01 2012 23:36 GeorgeForeman wrote:
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.

I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.

It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)


so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?

if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped


10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.

The KeSPA players do that as a routine, though. It's not about just throwing hours. They have an entire system that foreign teams (and other Korean teams) simply don't have.
cekkmt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
September 02 2012 16:02 GMT
#483
On September 03 2012 00:58 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 03:00 Sandermatt wrote:
On September 02 2012 00:08 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
On September 01 2012 23:36 GeorgeForeman wrote:
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.

I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.

It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)


so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?

if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped


10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.

The KeSPA players do that as a routine, though. It's not about just throwing hours. They have an entire system that foreign teams (and other Korean teams) simply don't have.

I also remember an old interview where Jaedong was doing some absurd number of hours(16-18) in preparation for a finals.
Asharon
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7 Posts
September 02 2012 16:06 GMT
#484
On September 03 2012 00:34 Fragile51 wrote:
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On September 03 2012 00:32 Asharon wrote:
Dunno if it has been asked before but what's with flash? Did he finally transition to sc2?


He has, doesn't have the greatest Proleague record though which is why he didn't get seeded.


thank you sir
“I meant,” said Iplsore bitterly, “what is there in this world that makes living worthwhile?” Death thought about it. ‘CATS’, he said eventually, “CATS ARE NICE.”
empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
September 02 2012 16:17 GMT
#485
On August 30 2012 18:10 Incomplet wrote:
Pfff. Jaedong instead of Roro. I guess business reigned supreme over current skill level and accomplishments

It took you 2 years to realise that? not bad...
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