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On September 01 2012 05:52 Kal_rA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:07 ]343[ wrote:On September 01 2012 01:46 Zenbrez wrote:On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote:
Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu? Flash hasn't been impressive except for his macro Yeah but his macro in bw was SO much more impressive given the mechanics of the game  Its pretty downplayed here but that isn't flash's fault coughblizzardcough. (Also his macro in the osl games was less impressive too cause he got three early ccs and wasnt punished for it at all... I could do that too in sc2 without an opponent)
Give flash another year and he will dominate this game.
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Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
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I think it's impossible for anyone to dominate sc2, and be very surprised if a player stayed on top for 2 years like flash did. The "best player" door seems to revolve every month with each new result. That will lessen once foreign events are more marginalized, though.
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On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote:
Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu?
Bisu ..... lol.
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On September 01 2012 12:23 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote:
Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu? Bisu ..... lol.
Okay optimist. Hes on a 2 game win streak ^.^
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I hope we'll see RorO in code S in a season or 2. He was so good in the WCS...
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On September 01 2012 12:21 rift wrote:
I think it's impossible for anyone to dominate sc2, and be very surprised if a player stayed on top for 2 years like flash did. The "best player" door seems to revolve every month with each new result. That will lessen once foreign events are more marginalized, though.
yeah it's kind of funny
i can summarise sc2's history like this:
fruitdealer, OMG BOXER AND NADA, MC, nestea, mvp #1, mvp's lost it, mvp #1 again, mvp looks weak, mvp wins gsl again, mvp has an injury, he's done this time, mvp wins gsl again
at some point in time MKP, MVP, FD, Nestea, DRG, MC, Stephano, MMA and leenock have been bonjwas or near-bonjwas according to TL's community
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On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
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Jaedong > all
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On September 01 2012 23:36 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice. I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams. It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
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That kind of sucks. RorO is clearly the best or the second best KeSPA player (HyuN might be the best).
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Fantasy should've been seeded. His play is great and there are no Terran seeds.
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On September 02 2012 00:08 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 23:36 GeorgeForeman wrote:On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice. I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams. It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-) so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that? if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
Your argument is quite weak to be honest. If they don't dominate, it's because they aren't gods at sc2, and to be honest, people who practice a lot and have talent and are solid enough to don't have up's and down's, will dominate. Noone can argue that.
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On September 02 2012 00:08 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 23:36 GeorgeForeman wrote:On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice. I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams. It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-) so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that? if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.
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i guess who play more get seed so we get kespa terans only if the play more and wins more
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On September 02 2012 02:24 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
That kind of sucks. RorO is clearly the best or the second best KeSPA player (HyuN might be the best).
HyuN started earlier than the others.
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Hahahah well this is great. I'll be cheering for Jaedong ^-^
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Dunno if it has been asked before but what's with flash? Did he finally transition to sc2?
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On September 03 2012 00:32 Asharon wrote:
Dunno if it has been asked before but what's with flash? Did he finally transition to sc2?
He has, doesn't have the greatest Proleague record though which is why he didn't get seeded.
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