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KeSPA seeds for GSL S4 Announced - Page 13

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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 30 2012 12:52 GMT
#241
On August 30 2012 18:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I question jaedong over Roro but eh whatever


Jaedong finished the SPL with 10W 9L and 6W 3L in ace matches. Roro finished 8W 6L and 3W 4L in ace matches. On paper Jaedong performed better in SPL. Jaedong was 3W 2L against Zergs, and Roro was 2W 4L, and Jaedong was 6W 7L against Protoss, and Roro was 5W 2L.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
AKnopf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany259 Posts
August 30 2012 12:53 GMT
#242
Tastosis casting Jea "the dong" dong, gonna be awesome
The world - its a funny place
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 12:56:50
August 30 2012 12:56 GMT
#243
No Terran makes me sad.

Btw I wonder how this was decided. Did the Kespa players do internal qualification games? Or was it just based on a coach decision? That would suck I have to say.
Off-season = best season
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 30 2012 12:58 GMT
#244
On August 30 2012 21:53 AKnopf wrote:
Tastosis casting Jea "the dong" dong, gonna be awesome

Oh man, I'm getting chills already. Haha
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
August 30 2012 12:58 GMT
#245
On August 30 2012 21:56 Redox wrote:
No Terran makes me sad.

Btw I wonder how this was decided. Did the Kespa players do internal qualification games? Or was it just based on a coach decision? That would suck I have to say.


It's based off SPL performance, with extra emphasis placed on ace match wins.

Fantasy not being seeded makes me upset. 6-1, beat Nestea, is a terran, is Fantasy, what more could you ask for?
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
August 30 2012 12:58 GMT
#246
Awesome, can't wait to see Jaedong in code S
Tossi83
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland24 Posts
August 30 2012 13:00 GMT
#247
On August 30 2012 18:37 snowbird wrote:
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)

A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:

Proleague Ranking

Code S:
Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495
JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390

Code A:
Trap =11-4, 3 ace match wins = 375
RoRo = 9-6, 3 ace match wins = 315
Effort = 9-8, 3 ace match wins = 315
Shy 9-2 = 270

Barely Missed the cut:
Hero 8-5, 2 ace match wins = 270
Stork 8-3, 1 ace match win = 255
Soulkey 7-7, 1 ace match win = 225
Stats 6-2, 2 ace match wins = 210


I think this should be edited into the first post.
... lurking in the shadows.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:02:27
August 30 2012 13:01 GMT
#248
yep, it's a bit sad for roro, but jaedong is also a big name, who can draw lots of attention. I hope he can improve his weak matchups and perform well.

edit: ah ok, that ranking makes sense. whatever, I'm definitely looking forward to the next season!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
August 30 2012 13:04 GMT
#249
I'm the biggest jaedong fanboy on the internets, my hwaseung calendar signed by his team is my most prized possession but I dunno if he's quite ready for code S. He did crazy well in the wcs tournament, but I'm still really nervous for him.
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:07:27
August 30 2012 13:06 GMT
#250
On August 30 2012 18:10 Incomplet wrote:
Pfff. Jaedong instead of Roro. I guess business reigned supreme over current skill level and accomplishments


jaeh all seeds are nice the only thing is that roro would be better in code s then jaedong

also reality would be nice and not trap because reality even was the only who qualified for wcs korea qualifier and not got invited and made a nice run there

ahh i see only peroleague well its sad becauzse herO did SO well in wcs ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
AceLight
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand220 Posts
August 30 2012 13:07 GMT
#251
On August 30 2012 22:00 Tossi83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 18:37 snowbird wrote:
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)

A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:

Proleague Ranking

Code S:
Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495
JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390

Code A:
Trap =11-4, 3 ace match wins = 375
RoRo = 9-6, 3 ace match wins = 315
Effort = 9-8, 3 ace match wins = 315
Shy 9-2 = 270

Barely Missed the cut:
Hero 8-5, 2 ace match wins = 270
Stork 8-3, 1 ace match win = 255
Soulkey 7-7, 1 ace match win = 225
Stats 6-2, 2 ace match wins = 210


I think this should be edited into the first post.


On it~
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:15:59
August 30 2012 13:09 GMT
#252
Jaedong had a better proleague performance than Roro, it's really not unreasonable that he gets the Code S seed over Roro...

edit: As the post above me makes clear. It's just like in WCS when people thought Kespa chose the players to send (looking at you TL writers who kept saying they "hand-picked" players...). It simply goes by the proleague ranking.

On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote:
Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket.
Finish 4th overall.
Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0.
Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS
Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S

Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.

Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.


Come on, why would you post this.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 30 2012 13:17 GMT
#253
On August 30 2012 18:37 snowbird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote:
Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket.
Finish 4th overall.
Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0.
Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS
Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S

Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.

Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.


The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)

A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:

Proleague Ranking

Code S:
Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495
JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390

Code A:
Trap =11-4, 3 ace match wins = 375
RoRo = 9-6, 3 ace match wins = 315
Effort = 9-8, 3 ace match wins = 315
Shy 9-2 = 270

Barely Missed the cut:
Hero 8-5, 2 ace match wins = 270
Stork 8-3, 1 ace match win = 255
Soulkey 7-7, 1 ace match win = 225
Stats 6-2, 2 ace match wins = 210


Looks like they give lots of points for ace match wins which makes sense, they're the most important games in their BW/SC2 hybrid format.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 30 2012 13:25 GMT
#254
Eh Jaedong? I mean he's doing good but if I have to be honest Roro deserves that spot more.
Anyway, grats to all Kespa. By.Rain will clean up the GSL.
massivez
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium653 Posts
August 30 2012 13:31 GMT
#255
I actualy would've liked Jaedong in Code A. Not because he's not good enough, but because the pressure will be huge. Every Gom pro and his mom will want to take him down (He also still needs to practice bw for the Proleague play-offs). Beïng in Code A is a lot less pressure with having to play less established pro's, and only needing to practice 1 matchup at a time.
Anyway, hope he does well.

P.S. Hope Effort rolls through Code A!
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:44:28
August 30 2012 13:33 GMT
#256
On August 30 2012 22:06 CoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 18:10 Incomplet wrote:
Pfff. Jaedong instead of Roro. I guess business reigned supreme over current skill level and accomplishments


jaeh all seeds are nice the only thing is that roro would be better in code s then jaedong

also reality would be nice and not trap because reality even was the only who qualified for wcs korea qualifier and not got invited and made a nice run there

ahh i see only peroleague well its sad becauzse herO did SO well in wcs ^^

Proleague is always the 1st priority for KeSPA players, Reality even said that he practiced more BW then SC2 before his WCS game.

On August 30 2012 22:25 6NR wrote:
Eh Jaedong? I mean he's doing good but if I have to be honest Roro deserves that spot more.
Anyway, grats to all Kespa. By.Rain will clean up the GSL.

I have to be honest you did not watch Proleague and trying to judge according to WCS that is not right.
I recommend you to watch this game from Jaedong (Trap is the best player on STX):

And this amazing hold in ZvZ:
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 30 2012 13:46 GMT
#257
I wonder if one of them will be in Nani's group. Would it be the first foreigner vs Kespa match? They can't be same group as Mana since all 3 should be in tier 4.
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:50:41
August 30 2012 13:48 GMT
#258
RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.


Also pretty foolish they go off of Proleague results... it's players on the same level playing against each other...


OSL, WCG, WCS should have been taken into count more, it was KESPA vs. GSL aka much harder and more demanding, results mattered way more.

vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 30 2012 13:50 GMT
#259
On August 30 2012 22:48 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.


Did you read the thread? It was based on PL points ranking... You can't just base it on WCS.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 30 2012 13:52 GMT
#260
On August 30 2012 22:48 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.


Also pretty foolish they go off of Proleague results... it's players on the same level playing against each other...


OSL, WCG, WCS should have been taken into count more, it was KESPA vs. GSL aka much harder and more demanding, results mattered way more.




And how would you create a perfectly fair system for all these events which had seeding?
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