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As emotionally invested as people are on this topic, TL rules still apply. That includes flaming and ad hominem attacks.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
August 30 2012 04:05 GMT
#1621
On August 30 2012 13:02 nikoYO wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:56 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:53 LeaF_SD wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:45 ROOTFayth wrote:
public image so important, let's all lease 100k cars so we look like ballers guys

w/e I'm done


LOL, this guy obviously doesn't know what branding means. This guy needs to go

100x this! i still cant figure out why they want to damage ROOT any further, TT1 is bad enough in this thread with his "i feel so bad so i post her pic again because people didnt read OP" fayth comes in and degrades and absuses this girl AGAIN. really good behavior.

In TT1's case he was posting a non-revealing picture to clear up a misconception that Destiny was referring to nude pics from a 15 year old girl. Seems reasonable to me?


no sorry it isnt reasonable. its not TT1 job. it would be CatZ job to make a clear OP. he has no business outing this girl here on TL . did you see here picture before on here or knew what she looked like? place a big red dot on her face or what ever but dont OUT and ridicule her again. come on man. i really like root and im angry this isnt handled better.

If I recall correctly some guy posted a pic that he claimed was off her Facebook. Not sure if it was before TT1 outed her or whatever though.

Fayth's attempts at damage limitation were pretty bad, but I don't think TT1 did anything particularly wrong. Given how rumours need quashed at the source (see my mention of 'Destiny got nudes off a 15 year-old'), and Catz doesn't appear to be about at the minute I think TT1 was being reasonably responsible in clearing up certain misconceptions.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 04:05 GMT
#1622
On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
August 30 2012 04:05 GMT
#1623
On August 30 2012 13:04 bakarin wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:00 sAsImre wrote:
foreigner jokeSport pretending to be big and serious... high school once again yeah


I'm really baffled that a low tier team like ROOT can stir up this kind of drama bigger than the kespa esf drama

inb4 people swarm me with hate replies for saying root is a low tier team


It is though, no need to sugar coat the tier of a team, players cause it though, not the teams.
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:06:19
August 30 2012 04:05 GMT
#1624
Destiny's done many things I neither defend nor condone, the criticism for which he deserves wholly. This is not one of them..

But before you continue down your path of accusations, take this hypothetical:

Imagine Destiny had logged on to Bluetea's Skype and found a conversation between her and her friends discussing the picture he'd shared with her in private, saying his dick is nice, but his face is butt-fugly and his gut is flabby as [insert imagery here]. Destiny (contrary to everything we know about him, I'm sure most would agree), takes great offense, and decides to retaliate by posting the chat log and Bluetea's nudes on her Facebook, Twitter, etc.

In this hypothetical, is there a scenario in which Destiny isn't unanimously (and rightfully IMHO) branded as the bad guy? Is there a scenario in which any real sum of people in the community (aside from the Destiny fanboys blindly defending his every action) holds Bluetea at fault for this debacle?

Destiny was given nude pictures and propositioned by a girl he, I can only assume, does not actually know that well, save for his Skype 2v2 sessions with him. He shared those pictures with two close friends. Yes, it was stupid to leave a chat log of TT1 and Fayth open for Bluetea to access if he didn't want those things publicized. His punishment is the distribution of that chat log and the dick pics on the internet, as well as the suspicion of his live-in girlfriend. Please, someone tell me what further punishment he deserves.

When my big brother used to bully me when I was a kid, I would hit him, and go crying to my mom when it didn't work. My mother used to tell me that I could either take it into my own hands to retaliate OR I could leave her to lay down the law, so to speak. If you're going to attempt revenge, don't expect the powers-that-be to take over for you when you find out your nemesis has thicker skin than you do.

Hopefully Destiny comes back from Poland better trained and *fingerscrossed* a little more mature, and ROOT gets afforded the chance to take him back. I'm sure both parties would be happy for that to work out.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
August 30 2012 04:07 GMT
#1625
On August 30 2012 13:02 Hostile wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:52 Hostile wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:46 Hentosai wrote:
It makes me sad how a vocal minority ruins things for the majority, you will contatact sponsers to say that so and so did this and that and you wont support them but i know you are not contacting them suporting them for sponsering the team in the first place. I love watching destiny for who he is, and will continue watching him wether he is on a team, playing pro starcraft or anything else he streams cause he is an entertaining person.


It makes me extremely happy that teams can be held accountable for what players they hire do. If ROOT had it's way it would look like they would have found any reason to keep Destiny on-board. You can't ****ing control Destiny so why did ROOT even bother signing him in the first place if something was bound to happen?

Held accountable by insufferably pious people with nothing better to do with their time? In this instance some of the people emailing sponsors weren't even familiar with the SC2 scene or indeed who Destiny is.

Having no clue about context or indeed the whole story, kneejerking in response and getting somebody 'fired' isn't a reasonable form of accountability at all.


If it was easy enough for random people to understand Destiny's kind of a dick/straight-forward ****ing boss, sponsors should know whom they're sponsoring. People love Destiny for his complete bluntness but will begrudge someone's honest opinion when they're said to a sponsor.

The sponsors did, or at least one of them stated that they actually liked Destiny's stream content/understood it.

I actually agree with the idea of accountability, but feel that many of those who emailed the sponsors directly overstepped the mark.

Chain of command goes player > team > sponsors in this instance, why skip out the team management when you've got issues with a player's conduct?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:08:34
August 30 2012 04:07 GMT
#1626
On August 30 2012 13:05 nikoYO wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?



Then tell me why this is wrong? Tell me. All of sudden they had divine enlightenment and find her really attractive?

The problem is not the two players its the hypocrits. Thats the point. If i say someone is ugly i wont change my opionion because other people dont like it and i would NEVER apologize for it.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 04:07 GMT
#1627
On August 30 2012 13:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:02 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:56 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:53 LeaF_SD wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:45 ROOTFayth wrote:
public image so important, let's all lease 100k cars so we look like ballers guys

w/e I'm done


LOL, this guy obviously doesn't know what branding means. This guy needs to go

100x this! i still cant figure out why they want to damage ROOT any further, TT1 is bad enough in this thread with his "i feel so bad so i post her pic again because people didnt read OP" fayth comes in and degrades and absuses this girl AGAIN. really good behavior.

In TT1's case he was posting a non-revealing picture to clear up a misconception that Destiny was referring to nude pics from a 15 year old girl. Seems reasonable to me?


no sorry it isnt reasonable. its not TT1 job. it would be CatZ job to make a clear OP. he has no business outing this girl here on TL . did you see here picture before on here or knew what she looked like? place a big red dot on her face or what ever but dont OUT and ridicule her again. come on man. i really like root and im angry this isnt handled better.

If I recall correctly some guy posted a pic that he claimed was off her Facebook. Not sure if it was before TT1 outed her or whatever though.

Fayth's attempts at damage limitation were pretty bad, but I don't think TT1 did anything particularly wrong. Given how rumours need quashed at the source (see my mention of 'Destiny got nudes off a 15 year-old'), and Catz doesn't appear to be about at the minute I think TT1 was being reasonably responsible in clearing up certain misconceptions.


someone on her,e some random, posted a random FB pic. TT1 posts the pic and identifys her for all to see. TT1 confirmed with this post which girl they insulted for all to see. thats the thing that bugs me.
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
August 30 2012 04:07 GMT
#1628
On August 30 2012 13:01 Dosey wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:56 EnE wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:53 Dosey wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:52 EnE wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:42 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:37 EnE wrote:
Fayth, there's a difference between being truthful, in spite of the negative consequences, and stating your opinions with apparent remorseless intent to hurt others.

Look at how DEEPLY different these statements are:

"to be entirely blunt, I don't think you're attractive, I'm sorry about that"

"Look at her she looks like a man so fucking hideous haha why doesnt she wear a bag on her head"

It's pathetically transparent how you try to pass off your continued insults on this public forum as "not denying that you said you didnt find her attractive."

ok I'll be careful with my wording, but essentially both statements mean the same thing


No, they don't essentially mean the same thing, holy shit. you must have felt sad before? Right, like emotions?

That's like saying

"oh look haha terrorists flew planes into the world trade center LOL I bet some stupid kids died hah im probably going to go buy an ice cream for my children now unlike those parents since their kids got owned"

and

"It seems there's been a tragic attack in new york today, my heart goes out to everyone who lost their lives prematurely that day and my deepest condolences and prayers to their families"

are "esentially" the same thing because they both state the exact same fact.... There's simply a big difference in what they say, imply and what they mean to other people.

Tl;dr: don't be surprised people dont like you when you act like a cunt.

I didn't know that it was an opinion that the WTCs were attacked. I'll be sure to inform the families that it was just an opinion and did not actually happen.


What the fuck....is that...supposed...to mean? That makes no sense. It doesn't mean anything. What makes it even more stupid, is that you act like an opinion can't be a fact and vice versa, they're not mutually exclusive and even if they were, which they are demonstrably not, it wouldn't be relevant at all to that part of my point.

What the fuck was the point in you writing that?


doesn't seem to know what he is talking about"
or
"Our Professor is a fucking idiot! I could teach our class better than him!"

In which case I would still submit that both are equally insulting and you should not back down on your chosen wording once confronted.


Well, the first half of your post was retarded and just completely wrong, erroneous, made no sense, etc, so I'll just address that last part of your most recent post, by pointing out that it seems you're just kind of a dick.

That's something a dick would say. Fayth was being a dick. People don't like people who are dicks.

I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 04:08 GMT
#1629
On August 30 2012 13:07 Sokrates wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:05 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?



Then tell me why this is wrong? Tell me. All of sudden they had divine enlightenment and find her really attractive?


you just dont do it AGAIN. you do it once. learn. and be quiet if you have any common sense.
Crysack
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia94 Posts
August 30 2012 04:10 GMT
#1630
On August 30 2012 12:09 Sylverin wrote:
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On August 30 2012 11:59 valium wrote:
That would be hypocritical; casters and players keep telling the fans to contact companies when they do things that help the esports community to let them know it is appreciated. Now the tables have turned; that very advice was taken, people are contacting these companies when players they sponsor do things they do not like.

Was this reaction excessive? In my opinion, yes... but I will not condemn those who did contact the sponsors.

I hope you lose your job when you talk about a person that has flirted with you to your friends that you don't find attractive.
Oh wait you won't because offline no one would give a flying fuck


I can guarantee you that, in almost any professional environment, having something of this nature circulate is a sure-fire way to have your arse turfed out the door permanently. From a personal perspective, as someone who works at a university, if I were ever caught making comments of this nature or sharing around lewd images, be it privately or publicly, I would lose my job so quickly my head would spin.

And as for the ongoing argument in this thread that 'everyone does this with their friends but Destiny & co. were just unlucky and were caught out', might I just point you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

tl;dr: Just because everyone (allegedly) acts in a certain manner, does not make it morally acceptable to do so. Frankly speaking, I think everyone involved should be thanking their lucky stars that SC2 teams and the community in general have consistently been and continue to be remarkably lenient when it comes to the childish and offensive behaviour of players.
gods_basement
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:13:42
August 30 2012 04:11 GMT
#1631
On August 30 2012 13:05 Shantastic wrote:
Destiny's done many things I neither defend nor condone, the criticism for which he deserves wholly. This is not one of them..

But before you continue down your path of accusations, take this hypothetical:

Imagine Destiny had logged on to Bluetea's Skype and found a conversation between her and her friends discussing the picture he'd shared with her in private, saying his dick is nice, but his face is butt-fugly and his gut is flabby as [insert imagery here]. Destiny (contrary to everything we know about him, I'm sure most would agree), takes great offense, and decides to retaliate by posting the chat log and Bluetea's nudes on her Facebook, Twitter, etc.

In this hypothetical, is there a scenario in which Destiny isn't unanimously (and rightfully IMHO) branded as the bad guy? Is there a scenario in which any real sum of people in the community (aside from the Destiny fanboys blindly defending his every action) holds Bluetea at fault for this debacle?

Destiny was given nude pictures and propositioned by a girl he, I can only assume, does not actually know that well, save for his Skype 2v2 sessions with him. He shared those pictures with two close friends. Yes, it was stupid to leave a chat log of TT1 and Fayth open for Bluetea to access if he didn't want those things publicized. His punishment is the distribution of that chat log and the dick pics on the internet, as well as the suspicion of his live-in girlfriend. Please, someone tell me what further punishment he deserves.

When my big brother used to bully me when I was a kid, I would hit him, and go crying to my mom when it didn't work. My mother used to tell me that I could either take it into my own hands to retaliate OR I could leave her to lay down the law, so to speak. If you're going to attempt revenge, don't expect the powers-that-be to take over for you when you find out your nemesis has thicker skin than you do.

Hopefully Destiny comes back from Poland better trained and *fingerscrossed* a little more mature, and ROOT gets afforded the chance to take him back. I'm sure both parties would be happy for that to work out.



what doesnt work in this comparison is that Destiny is a public figure. He should have the smartness to not expect his nudes to not get shared. Whether or not bluetea should expect that is up for debate, as she is not a public figure, just a girl who liked attention from a famous guy.

Additionally, why would anyone hire him on their team? he is not a winner of tournaments, so hes more of a "character player," like incontrol and others. if his character and personality becomes toxic to a brand, what value does he hold?

even if he was a good player, why would any sponsor put their name next to a guy whos such a shitmagnet? him booted off the team is not "punishment," its business
(TT~TT)
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
August 30 2012 04:11 GMT
#1632
On August 30 2012 12:21 nikoYO wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:18 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:13 vultdylan wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:10 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:03 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:55 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:
[quote]
yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking

whatever floats ur boat man -_-


you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself.


Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture.

lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself

nobody on TL was criticized for it

0 fucks was given by me


oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next.

she's hurt by destiny betraying her trust, not by some random guy (me) saying she's not attractive........


mhm i think you really dont get it do you? YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A SCUMBAG. just stop posting pls. you make root look even more like the "hey lets all be douchebags and assholes team" its really sad man.


Yeah, I kinda have to agree, dude. Reading how much you have invested in this tread has made me feel bad about how ROOT is represented in this situation. TT1 has at least stayed relatively quiet about the whole thing and is not making a huge deal out of it. Don't get caught up in the TL drama shitstorm, because honestly, they will fuck you over if you arent careful.

guess I'm just really not meant to be in PR, the hypocrisy of mankind is disgusting


its not hypocrisy. its common sense and human decency.


Let's use logic.
Bluetea gives pics to destiny. Destiny owns the pics, she gives ownership of them to him. If osmeone gives you a physical picture, you are allowed to show it to other people.
Destiny shares said pics with his friends. They exercise their right to free speech regarding said pics,
Bluetea uses Destiny's account to commit a crime. Exposing minors to explicit material without consent.

Common sense and "decency" don't change the facts. Destiny did nothing against the law.

esports
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5548 Posts
August 30 2012 04:11 GMT
#1633
On August 30 2012 13:07 nikoYO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:02 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:56 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:53 LeaF_SD wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:45 ROOTFayth wrote:
public image so important, let's all lease 100k cars so we look like ballers guys

w/e I'm done


LOL, this guy obviously doesn't know what branding means. This guy needs to go

100x this! i still cant figure out why they want to damage ROOT any further, TT1 is bad enough in this thread with his "i feel so bad so i post her pic again because people didnt read OP" fayth comes in and degrades and absuses this girl AGAIN. really good behavior.

In TT1's case he was posting a non-revealing picture to clear up a misconception that Destiny was referring to nude pics from a 15 year old girl. Seems reasonable to me?


no sorry it isnt reasonable. its not TT1 job. it would be CatZ job to make a clear OP. he has no business outing this girl here on TL . did you see here picture before on here or knew what she looked like? place a big red dot on her face or what ever but dont OUT and ridicule her again. come on man. i really like root and im angry this isnt handled better.

If I recall correctly some guy posted a pic that he claimed was off her Facebook. Not sure if it was before TT1 outed her or whatever though.

Fayth's attempts at damage limitation were pretty bad, but I don't think TT1 did anything particularly wrong. Given how rumours need quashed at the source (see my mention of 'Destiny got nudes off a 15 year-old'), and Catz doesn't appear to be about at the minute I think TT1 was being reasonably responsible in clearing up certain misconceptions.


someone on her,e some random, posted a random FB pic. TT1 posts the pic and identifys her for all to see. TT1 confirmed with this post which girl they insulted for all to see. thats the thing that bugs me.

It bothers you that after she posts a popular personality's dick everywhere and gets him kicked from ROOT (out of vengeance as she confesses), people post G-rated pictures of her so we can know the identity of this random person who's caused a fiasco?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
August 30 2012 04:11 GMT
#1634
On August 30 2012 13:00 Diizzy wrote:
the root of all of this is he took pics of his dick i mean seriously. just dont do it


Not to mention sending them to someone while already being in a relationship, and treating that person terrible who has those pictures and access to all of your social media. Not the most intelligent thing to do.

He isn't mature enough to be on a professional team and doesn't deserve to be. No respect for him.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
August 30 2012 04:12 GMT
#1635
On August 30 2012 13:08 nikoYO wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:07 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:05 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?



Then tell me why this is wrong? Tell me. All of sudden they had divine enlightenment and find her really attractive?


you just dont do it AGAIN. you do it once. learn. and be quiet if you have any common sense.


Why not do it again? What was wrong? That people had a private conversation and stated their opinions? So if that is wrong, then there is something really wrong with the people.

Thats hypocritical twofaced garbage.

You just stop stating your own opinion because some people wouldnt like it, yeah that sounds like the way to go.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 04:13 GMT
#1636
On August 30 2012 13:11 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:07 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:02 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:56 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:53 LeaF_SD wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:45 ROOTFayth wrote:
public image so important, let's all lease 100k cars so we look like ballers guys

w/e I'm done


LOL, this guy obviously doesn't know what branding means. This guy needs to go

100x this! i still cant figure out why they want to damage ROOT any further, TT1 is bad enough in this thread with his "i feel so bad so i post her pic again because people didnt read OP" fayth comes in and degrades and absuses this girl AGAIN. really good behavior.

In TT1's case he was posting a non-revealing picture to clear up a misconception that Destiny was referring to nude pics from a 15 year old girl. Seems reasonable to me?


no sorry it isnt reasonable. its not TT1 job. it would be CatZ job to make a clear OP. he has no business outing this girl here on TL . did you see here picture before on here or knew what she looked like? place a big red dot on her face or what ever but dont OUT and ridicule her again. come on man. i really like root and im angry this isnt handled better.

If I recall correctly some guy posted a pic that he claimed was off her Facebook. Not sure if it was before TT1 outed her or whatever though.

Fayth's attempts at damage limitation were pretty bad, but I don't think TT1 did anything particularly wrong. Given how rumours need quashed at the source (see my mention of 'Destiny got nudes off a 15 year-old'), and Catz doesn't appear to be about at the minute I think TT1 was being reasonably responsible in clearing up certain misconceptions.


someone on her,e some random, posted a random FB pic. TT1 posts the pic and identifys her for all to see. TT1 confirmed with this post which girl they insulted for all to see. thats the thing that bugs me.

It bothers you that after she posts a popular personality's dick everywhere and gets him kicked from ROOT (out of vengeance as she confesses), people post G-rated pictures of her so we can know the identity of this random person who's caused a fiasco?


and here we go again. it doesnt matter what she did. it just doesnt. its about how is ROOT is handling this. its bad. its poorly. it makes them look like kindergardeners defending themselves. "no we didnt eat the cookie" and have crumbs all over them.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5548 Posts
August 30 2012 04:14 GMT
#1637
On August 30 2012 13:10 Crysack wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:09 Sylverin wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:59 valium wrote:
That would be hypocritical; casters and players keep telling the fans to contact companies when they do things that help the esports community to let them know it is appreciated. Now the tables have turned; that very advice was taken, people are contacting these companies when players they sponsor do things they do not like.

Was this reaction excessive? In my opinion, yes... but I will not condemn those who did contact the sponsors.

I hope you lose your job when you talk about a person that has flirted with you to your friends that you don't find attractive.
Oh wait you won't because offline no one would give a flying fuck


I can guarantee you that, in almost any professional environment, having something of this nature circulate is a sure-fire way to have your arse turfed out the door permanently. From a personal perspective, as someone who works at a university, if I were ever caught making comments of this nature or sharing around lewd images, be it privately or publicly, I would lose my job so quickly my head would spin.

And as for the ongoing argument in this thread that 'everyone does this with their friends but Destiny & co. were just unlucky and were caught out', might I just point you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

tl;dr: Just because everyone (allegedly) acts in a certain manner, does not make it morally acceptable to do so. Frankly speaking, I think everyone involved should be thanking their lucky stars that SC2 teams and the community in general have consistently been and continue to be remarkably lenient when it comes to the childish and offensive behaviour of players.

It's not an argumentum ad populum, it's about people's private lives. Just because you'd lose your job doesn't make the behavior wrong, or even were it wrong, termination an appropriate response.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 04:15 GMT
#1638
On August 30 2012 13:12 Sokrates wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:08 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:07 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:05 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?



Then tell me why this is wrong? Tell me. All of sudden they had divine enlightenment and find her really attractive?


you just dont do it AGAIN. you do it once. learn. and be quiet if you have any common sense.


Why not do it again? What was wrong? That people had a private conversation and stated their opinions? So if that is wrong, then there is something really wrong with the people.

Thats hypocritical twofaced garbage.

You just stop stating your own opinion because some people wouldnt like it, yeah that sounds like the way to go.


by your reasoning destiny would still be on ROOT. they obv care about fans and sponsors so why dig the hole deeper? you just shut up. its business.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10005 Posts
August 30 2012 04:16 GMT
#1639
On August 30 2012 13:08 nikoYO wrote:
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On August 30 2012 13:07 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:05 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Sokrates wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:01 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Lebron and Dwade got overheard sharing nude pics of a WNBA player and talkin shit about her looks. After that they twitter that they still think she's ugly but it's just their own opinion and it shouldnt matter right??



EXACTLY, it shouldnt matter. Because it was THEIR opinion, why should they change it all of a sudden?

come on man. you only place your hand once on the hot stove not twice. RIGHT?



Then tell me why this is wrong? Tell me. All of sudden they had divine enlightenment and find her really attractive?


you just dont do it AGAIN. you do it once. learn. and be quiet if you have any common sense.


the girl posted a pic of destinys dick on the internet and ur arguing against me posting a pic of her when all i wanted to do was clear up a few misconceptions? i swear to god dude ur acting as if i just committed a murder or something
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:17:39
August 30 2012 04:16 GMT
#1640
On August 30 2012 13:11 Luepert wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:21 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:18 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:13 vultdylan wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:10 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:03 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:55 nikoYO wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:
[quote]

you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself.


Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture.

lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself

nobody on TL was criticized for it

0 fucks was given by me


oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next.

she's hurt by destiny betraying her trust, not by some random guy (me) saying she's not attractive........


mhm i think you really dont get it do you? YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A SCUMBAG. just stop posting pls. you make root look even more like the "hey lets all be douchebags and assholes team" its really sad man.


Yeah, I kinda have to agree, dude. Reading how much you have invested in this tread has made me feel bad about how ROOT is represented in this situation. TT1 has at least stayed relatively quiet about the whole thing and is not making a huge deal out of it. Don't get caught up in the TL drama shitstorm, because honestly, they will fuck you over if you arent careful.

guess I'm just really not meant to be in PR, the hypocrisy of mankind is disgusting


its not hypocrisy. its common sense and human decency.


Let's use logic.
Bluetea gives pics to destiny. Destiny owns the pics, she gives ownership of them to him. If osmeone gives you a physical picture, you are allowed to show it to other people.
Destiny shares said pics with his friends. They exercise their right to free speech regarding said pics,
Bluetea uses Destiny's account to commit a crime. Exposing minors to explicit material without consent.

Common sense and "decency" don't change the facts. Destiny did nothing against the law.



He did nothing against the law. But what he doesn't wasn't decent, and thus he isn't in jail, he is off a sponsored team.

And that is how it should be.

OJ Simpson may not have been found guilty, and thus he did nothing "against the law" when his wife was murdered, but you don't see sponsors lining up to do business with him.

And that is how should be too.

So what is the problem?
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