Update: Grubby will cast OSL with Moletrap from September 4th to 18th
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Hey guys,
I'm surprised there isn't a thread for this already. Recently, many people are flaming on Moletrap for his poor casting, and it seems like OGN is looking for more SC2 casters.
At the end of OSL Day 1, the Broadcaster of the English stream mentioned that they are currently talking to Grubby and Doa to cast for OGN. I personally find to be great news- Grubby is one of by favorite players, and his ability to analyze and predict the game has been impressive for every cast he does.
Although there is no official article or announcement about Grubby negotiating with OGN, I hope the it turns out okay. I personally feel that the addition of Grubby would encourage more people to watch Proleague and OSL, as I already know quite a few people who refused to watch the OSL just because Moletrap is casting.
Here's the picture. Props to Xarles for screenshot.
I just hope casting 2+ days a week won't slow him down as he has really established himself as one of the foreigners who can take maps/series of koreans. But living in korea should only benefit his practice anyways. So as long as he doesn't go full time caster I'd love to see him at ogn.
Grubby's casting is damn amazing and I love it over most others but Grubby is really starting to get more and more successful as a player in sc2 now so I don't know how much I'd like it if he focused more on casting. I'd love it if it'd draw more viewers to the OSL though.
If it's just 2 casts each week and he doesn't have to focus too much on other things and can still mainly play then I'd love to see him do it.
I have no problem with Moletrap. Better than Khaldor, IMO. Is Grubby going to give up his career as a player? Otherwise, it won't be a wise move to be a full-time caster.
Not quite so sure how I feel about this. On the one hand Grubby's casting is amazing, it is entertaining and full of rich, deep analysis. But on the other hand, he is really improving as a player and is beginning to take games off Korean's quite regularly. As long as he isn't casting every game, I think it would be fine as living in Korea would really benefit him.
i don't know i want more i guess i want grubby to continue playing because that's his passion, but i also would like to see him cast a bit more when convenient~
On August 29 2012 03:39 kollin wrote: Not quite so sure how I feel about this. On the one hand Grubby's casting is amazing, it is entertaining and full of rich, deep analysis. But on the other hand, he is really improving as a player and is beginning to take games off Korean's quite regularly. As long as he isn't casting every game, I think it would be fine as living in Korea would really benefit him.
If he could somehow connect being in Korea - casting OSL and being in Korea as a player it would be the best for him, career wise. I dont really believe that he will ever make as big of an impact on SC2 as he did in WC3 so imho putting all eggs into this basket is not the best.
Well juggling between playing and casting can be difficult, however no matter Grubby's decision, I will support him.
btw Moletrap is a decent caster I think he did a fine job. Personally I find it hard to believe that people refuse to watch a tournament just because they don't enjoy the commentating. Also afaik OSL has korean casters too so it's all good. All in all, I think that a true Starcraft enthusiast is here to watch games, regardless of the casting quality.
On August 29 2012 03:45 Al Bundy wrote: Well juggling between playing and casting can be difficult, however no matter Grubby's decision, I will support him.
btw Moletrap is a decent caster I think he did a fine job. Personally I find it hard to believe that people refuse to watch a tournament just because they don't enjoy the commentating. Also afaik OSL has korean casters too so it's all good. All in all, I think that a true Starcraft enthusiast is here to watch games, regardless of the casting quality.
Yes im also kind of angry on people who didnt even pay attention at Moletrap at this OSL cast, he did much, much better job than in any of his SC2 casts. His voice was not squeeky, he tried to be calm, i would say its far from his peak when he was casting with Klazart/Digg but its for sure way better than he ever did in last 1-2 years.
I would support this a hundred times over. Living in Korea would likely be good for his play as well, and the casting shouldn't really cut down on casting terribly much.
I don't know if I can see this as a good thing myself. I love Grubby's casting, but as evident from all those behind the scene GOM videos, there's a lot more to casting then just showing up for a x amount of hours and talking.
I think when HOTS comes out and everyone is back to equal footing, he can turn that potential into better results.
Grubby is a really amazing caster, one of my favorite english caster. But I hope it will not take him to much time, so he can continue to reach the top of foreigner level.
On August 29 2012 03:43 babylon wrote: Grubby is a player first, caster second, afaik. He won't take it if it infringes too much on his practice time.
From a career viewpoint it makes more sense to just go full time casting. More popularity, less stress, more stability and long term financial potential. Grubby is a good player as well as caster, I think it would be a wise move to take the job.
On August 29 2012 03:45 Al Bundy wrote: Well juggling between playing and casting can be difficult, however no matter Grubby's decision, I will support him.
btw Moletrap is a decent caster I think he did a fine job. Personally I find it hard to believe that people refuse to watch a tournament just because they don't enjoy the commentating. Also afaik OSL has korean casters too so it's all good. All in all, I think that a true Starcraft enthusiast is here to watch games, regardless of the casting quality.
i watched the games, i just watched the korean cast instead this morning. Now while this isnt a bad thing, if many people start watching the korean cast the english stream viewer numbers go down. If osl starts to think they casting for just a odd few people, they might not even bother with english cast.
So its in our interest to get the english cast viewer numbers as high as possible to show OSL that we do infact care about the tournament. Sadly moletrap will only run viewers, myself included.
Hoping to see grubby/doa combination. But if grubby cant go because he is player first i understand. He also has a wife, so this is a huge decision for him, Does he bring his wife? does she stay home? . I dont think there is any denying that going to korea to cast will be helpful to both his casting and playing career since he will get the korean ladder to train on.
On August 29 2012 03:49 ssxsilver wrote: I don't know if I can see this as a good thing myself. I love Grubby's casting, but as evident from all those behind the scene GOM videos, there's a lot more to casting then just showing up for a x amount of hours and talking.
Tastosis said they decide their plan on the train in. I'm not sure what this extra time-consuming process could be.
Even if Grubby would cast I don't think it would take that much from his practice, in a way it would help him as he would analyze games for his own good as well.
Would love to see Grubby casting the OSL, his voice is soothing and he knows his stuff.
Don't be so nasty against Moletrap, he's doing his best to bring us some exciting commentaries and I bet that most of you aren't able to cast better than him... Talking trash of people is so easy when we're behind our keyboard...
Antway, I really wish Moletrap to stay, and i find that he got better today. Note that he was alone and casting the OSL is not easy. Plus, if Grubby joins it would be very cool, but don't throw away Moletrap... He's fine imo.
This is potentially awesome, that said I hope it doesn't affect Grubby's rise as a player. Also genuinely don't think Moletrap is that bad, gets a bit of a hard time here
Moletrap's issue (to my ears) was that he sometimes ignores his co-casters. Other than that he's great, esp. with DoA.
Nothing against Grubby, I just don't think that makes sense for him unless he is looking to retire as a progamer. But that's obvious his decision so I have nothing to say either way. I just post here because some people spew unwarranted hate toward Moletrap, while being blindly fanboys thinking anything will make Grubby happy.
That would be pretty awesome. He's a fantastic caster, and I don't think covering the OSL will take too much time out of his practice. In fact, it might give him some extra motivation and insight into his own play!
As far as I can tell, casting for OSL can't be anywhere close to "full-time" even if commitment and pay can reflect it, its still only 2-3 days a week, with some dry weeks aswell.
But casters are certainly needed I imagine with 4 leagues run at the same time aswell as sub-divisions & qualifiers.
it would be great listening to Grubby commentating, but Id rather see him playing the game and prosper that way. I feel like this is time for Grubby to improve on his skill on this game to win a tournament. Not trying to be a castor already. He can do that later in his life.
Poor Moletrap, being thrown into the deepend like that - I thought, under the circumstances, he did pretty well today and it seemed like it would have been great fun if DoA had been there and the stream/sound issues had been resolved.
Grubby - well I like to hear him talk but I love to see him play, and being one of the few players that can go toe-to-toe with the Koreans I really hope he keeps playing and maintains this sure and steady rise. Plus they don't need to bring him in for me to watch it - it's the fucking OSL!
Grubby's casting is insanely insightful, and he is also a master at buying time when players are setting up/technical difficulties etc. without resorting to the whole "technology is the vehicle of eSports,...sorry guys I don't have anything interesting to say so let's have awkward silence or my co caster will carry me"
On August 29 2012 04:24 acrimoneyius wrote: wtf OGN...get Sayle to cast.
Sayle already said he wouldn't go quite a few times, dno why people keep thinking it's a good idea. Going to korea for a job isn't something you just do.
OSL was pretty bad today, Moletrap either need to talk about half as much or stop pretending to call the games because he's so off so many times T.T. Grubby will be perfect to fill the role OSL needs (as a good caster) and even though DoA (who I would argue is a quality caster if you like his style) is out of comission Grubby will hold down the sails while OSL moves forward.
Grubby has a wife and life in the Netherlands, I doubt he would take the offer. Also, screw everyone flaming Moletrap. The guy tries hard and he isn't a bad caster, and most of the haters are bandwagoners. Did anyone actually watch the OSL yesterday? Moletrap did about as well as a solo caster can do.
On August 29 2012 04:24 acrimoneyius wrote: wtf OGN...get Sayle to cast.
Sayle already said he wouldn't go quite a few times, dno why people keep thinking it's a good idea. Going to korea for a job isn't something you just do.
Is there any specific reason why Sayle would not go? Would love to have him cast PL and OSL and you would think the pay would be quite decent or not?
I feel bad for Moletrap as a person, but he hasn't even really been an integral part of the sc2 community for a while now. He never had much knowledge of the game (imo at least) and, correct me if I'm wrong, he went to cast LoL for a while with torch. But I like to support eSport so I still watch.
I love, love, love Moletrap! I hate seeing haters gang up on him like this. He's a terrific caster with a unique style, and a fresh take. He doesn't go stale, and doesn't exaggerate enthusiasm unlike some casters.
Moletrap should get out wile hes half ahead. Hes a bad caster but serverd his pourpose as a what not to be like. SOMEONES gotta be that guy and hes it. Thanks moletrap, hardwork and sacrifice dosnt always pay off. Now get off my computer screen so i can look at tastosis or doa or somone beautiful to look at.
Grubby is imo the best caster of all. He is energic enough, have insane game knowledge (more than artosis, day9 or any caster out there) to fill the casting time with very interesting comments, and also is a very funny guy.
On August 29 2012 04:46 cosmo.6792 wrote: I love, love, love Moletrap! I hate seeing haters gang up on him like this. He's a terrific caster with a unique style, and a fresh take. He doesn't go stale, and doesn't exaggerate enthusiasm unlike some casters.
Have you ever tried listening to korean casts?
It's like 100% enthusiasm all game if only i could understand it.
Still looking forward in 2-3years and maybe IdrA will be fulltime caster. By far the best I seen and paired with like Apollo or someone of that standard its going to be amazing. Grubby also one of the top players that can cast really well.
I don't think OGN would accept Grubby to part time casting as an active player. Unless they are REALLY desperate, of course, but I don't think they are there. And Grubby quit playing would make me sad.
I love IdrA's casting, don't think he would be well suited for something like OSL where more energy and excitement could be a better choice.
I don't know how I feel about that, I think Grubby is doing a great job as a player, and I'd love to see him continue to develop as a player first and take casting opportunities only if they do not interfere with that.
You can pair Grubby with anyone... If he gets on OSL will be blessed, but on the other side, as many people have mentioned I hope this doesnt take out of his practice.
I've heared though that Grubby is a player that actually learns alot through his casting (that he's said it himself, aswell as players like Hasuobs), so maybe it's not that bad. He knows what he needs to do to become better!
I think it's 100% benefit for Grubby if you go to Korea. He casts OSL games and the rest of the time he trains hard on the korean ladder. Grubby is an amazing player and an amazing caster + he's very good looking. <3 Manuel.
Well, it would get him into Korea, so it might make up for the less amount of time to actually practice. I hate to see casters fired, but Moletrap just doesn't try to fix his flaws and that's his fault :/
On August 29 2012 04:24 acrimoneyius wrote: wtf OGN...get Sayle to cast.
Sayle already said he wouldn't go quite a few times, dno why people keep thinking it's a good idea. Going to korea for a job isn't something you just do.
Is there any specific reason why Sayle would not go? Would love to have him cast PL and OSL and you would think the pay would be quite decent or not?
He didn't specify but like I said, not only is it a foreign country where the majority doesn't speak English but korea is also not a fan of foreigners. Basically most friends you'll make there are sc2 players / casting and not everyone wants to devote their entire life to something that isn't going to last very long.
'Casted video games' doesn't exactly sound amazing on most people's resume's either so it wouldn't help further your career after that too.
On August 29 2012 03:38 usethis2 wrote: I have no problem with Moletrap. Better than Khaldor, IMO. Is Grubby going to give up his career as a player? Otherwise, it won't be a wise move to be a full-time caster.
On August 29 2012 05:05 Faust852 wrote: I think it's 100% benefit for Grubby if you go to Korea. He casts OSL games and the rest of the time he trains hard on the korean ladder. Grubby is an amazing player and an amazing caster + he's very good looking. <3 Manuel.
If he is actually allowed to do this then I agree. But I don't see OGN would let him cast part time.
On August 29 2012 04:24 acrimoneyius wrote: wtf OGN...get Sayle to cast.
Sayle already said he wouldn't go quite a few times, dno why people keep thinking it's a good idea. Going to korea for a job isn't something you just do.
Actually he explicitly said that if OGN directly requested for him to cast he would probably do it. Not sure if he's changed his mind since then though, as I don't watch PL league often enough to know.
On August 29 2012 04:56 teddyoojo wrote: i think incontrol was about to go casting for gom once, why not ogn now t-t
It was contractual obligations with EG that kept him away from going to Korea and working at GOM for a while. He announced it on twitter before it was solid and we all got our hopes up. Apparently Incontrol's new contract has a lot more casting opportunities in it so maybe in the future he can do that.
On August 29 2012 03:49 ssxsilver wrote: I don't know if I can see this as a good thing myself. I love Grubby's casting, but as evident from all those behind the scene GOM videos, there's a lot more to casting then just showing up for a x amount of hours and talking.
Tastosis said they decide their plan on the train in. I'm not sure what this extra time-consuming process could be.
That's probably true now that everything's a well-oiled machine, but I doubt that was the case in the beginning. I remember old videos showing them go over show outlines with Kelly/Doa. Then there's the player background research to do. Part of what makes Artosis and Apollo top casters is the ability to identify player-specific builds and call out certain tendencies. Of course Grubby can just do a generic cast, but somehow I doubt he'd opt for that.
zzzzz man i love grubby casting but i really really really want him to just focus on his Sc2 pro gaming career and just dominate a tournament like he used to in Wc3. He has the potential no one can deny that, he just hasn't put it together yet and I don't see how picking up a casting job and being away from his wife will help his gaming
While his casting is great, I think switching to casting right now would be a bad move. He still has a lot of potential as a player. But if that's his decision...
why the hate for moletrap...i personally dont mind him.
what i do dislike the most out of all the english casters is that particular person that just loves to end sentences with a question tone...this annoys me to no end.
On August 29 2012 05:05 Faust852 wrote: I think it's 100% benefit for Grubby if you go to Korea. He casts OSL games and the rest of the time he trains hard on the korean ladder. Grubby is an amazing player and an amazing caster + he's very good looking. <3 Manuel.
If he is actually allowed to do this then I agree. But I don't see OGN would let him cast part time.
OSL is not something that would busy Grubby everyday of the year I think.
Grubby as a caster is wonderful. But since I've recently become a fan of his play I'm hoping he puts his playing first and if there is time for a professional casting gig besides it: great.
I'm a big fan of Grubby, and hoping he can do really well in WCS Europe in 2 weeks. However due to this I hope he focuses on playing 100% as there is alot of talent in WCS EU with many players who deserve a spot to the finals!!
Grubby has been getting better and better. I don't know why he'd take a job as a caster. He IS a great caster but why cast when you still got the skillzzzzzz.....
Grubby's casting is amongst the best out there, but his play has also improved so much. I'd love to see him cast OSL, but I'd hate to see his play suffer.
That would be so sick. Grubby is the best analytical caster! And I think Korean ladder will help him improve his game as well. I hope he does it. Go Grubby!
Yes! Grubby is an amazing caster. I'd watch anything he casts. I think he'd bring some really good knowledge to the OSL English streams. I agree what everyone is saying though too. Grubby is constantly getting better. Even more so recently. I'd really like for him to get some good placings.
Well, although I think this would be the most amazing thing ever, I don't think Grubby will take the deal. I actually like Grubby's casting even more than Tastosis or Day9. He is just always so cool, polite and never get's too full of himself, by trying to talk ins weird, supposedly cool voice like Day9. He has by far the best insight of every caster I know (and I think I know all the big ones) and his accent just sounds amazing^^
He is just starting to pick up momentum and show better results. He knows his hard work is paying off. So I suppose if OSL wants him they have to offer him a pretty nice deal.
However, I only say that without knowing his working hours, possibility to connect with pros, confidence in his ability to play at the top again etc.
Moletrap is a nice guy I'm sure, but his casting leaves a lot to be desired. His attempts at both humour and analysis just tend to fall flat on their faces. With a Grubby and Doa duo you would at least have solid play-by-play and analysis, and both guys are pretty humorous. Could be a great combo!
don't think he'll accept as it would effectively mean the end of his gaming career which has just started to pick up (after a long training period which involved many things such as eg kick).
i hope he would at least cast for short-term as he is really good at it (far better than djwheat,day9,etc..)
Didn't grubby say that he'll take a break from casting and instead focus on practicing, because he hasn't shown that good results and thus skipping tournaments he doesn't really need to play, because he didn't feel like he was in shape.. I could be wrong too and it's been a while.
I'm starting to think people are only trying to support moletrap because they feel bad for him and want to stick up for him. I for one find nothing pleasant about his casting. I enjoyed kelly's casting way more in comparison to moletrap. I think picking any other caster at this point would be an improvement. Until then, I will just watch the Korean stream.
Man.. if OGN makes decisions based on Twitch chats then they are making a huge mistake. DOA and Grubby would be good together but twitch chats are a virus that should not exist... And no I am not a huge fan of Moletrap.. just don't think they should listen to the chat
If they see the overall consensus of people's opinions of Moletrap he would be gone. He would probably be gone from LoL too, but I don't know that scene I think think shitty casting for SC2 would probably translate pretty well to shitty casting for LoL.
Doa + Grubby could be sick, even better would be if Korea would pickup the very best casters and GOM + Kespa sharing them (wouldn't ever happen, but would be sick).
Not sure if this was already posted somewhere else, but the text below the OGN stream on twitch is "OnGameNet Starcraft League // We are going to broadcast of Starcraft2 league with Grubby & Moletrap from 4th to 18th September at 19:30(KST). See you soon." That might imply it's temporary or something, but Grubby casting seems definite now.
I really enjoy his casting. But his play last few months have improved alot, would be abit shame if he has to give up his playing career. Then again, a casting job is a more steady paycheck which could be aappealing since he is his own boss.
On August 29 2012 06:48 drgonzhere wrote: Moletrap is a nice guy I'm sure, but his casting leaves a lot to be desired. His attempts at both humour and analysis just tend to fall flat on their faces. With a Grubby and Doa duo you would at least have solid play-by-play and analysis, and both guys are pretty humorous. Could be a great combo!
Not everyone likes these odd jokes of doa/wolf/tasteless.
I think grubby + moletrap will be awesome, cause moletrap brings the excitement that lacks in ''foreign'' casts and grubby is the best analytical caster. Moletrap + Khaldor was really nice as well.
With my crappy english I'm so impressed by Rotterdam, Khaldor and Grubby. Reaching the top in casting in a language that's not even their own is pretty damn awesome.
Smart choice by OGN getting a legend like grubby will not only improve the casting by 1000% (sorry Moletrap i just don't think you are any good) But also bring in alot of foreign people.
Grubby and Moletrap will certainly be better than only Moletrap. But I really hope the get rid of him completly. Apart from his ability to keep on talking he does an aweful job in my opinion.
On August 29 2012 21:40 whereismymind wrote: Good for us, since he is good caster. But I think it is not good for his programing career. You just can't allow yourself missing practicing. imo.
But he will get to practice on the Korean server... that more then makes up for it.
The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
grubby is an amazing caster from some of the games I've seen, I was also looking forward to seeing him improve as a player though because he does seem to be steadily improving and making headway against the big names. I hope he'll be able to do both successfully
On August 29 2012 21:50 KingAce wrote: The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
I agree, i don't understand why he gets so much hate, there are much worst caster out there. And even if you don't like his casting, there are ways to say it...
OT Grubby is an amazing caster and it will give him the opportunity to play on the Korean ladder, maybe he will try to qualify for GSL :p ?
If this turns out as said in Twitch-chat this will be great! Grubby's casting is great no matter with whom he's paired up. Also I hope for a fast return of Doa to Korea, I really like his casting aswell.
To the Moletrap-hate-topic: I didn't really see something offensive in here, just people who said that they don't like his casting and rather watch muted (gotta admit, me to), which is there right to say, even if others don't agree they don't have to feel offended by this.
On August 29 2012 21:50 KingAce wrote: The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
I agree, i don't understand why he gets so much hate, there are much worst caster out there. And even if you don't like his casting, there are ways to say it...
OT Grubby is an amazing caster and it will give him the opportunity to play on the Korean ladder, maybe he will try to qualify for GSL :p ?
Of course you´re right, there´s no reason to hate. But you have to be allowed to say when you don´t like a caster. He chose to earn his money by doing a job that is highly dependant on if his audience likes him. If it doesn´t he needs to improve. And I´m not talking about his voice or bad jokes. It´s just absolutely annoying how he has no idea about the GAME. There are so many things he seems to don´t know. Like today when he told us that 2/2 is halfway through for Mvp and in the next sentence speaks about that his armory is just finishing. Or when he didn´t predict at all the immortal push for Flying which was very obvious to anybody who watched some high level SC2 the last year. Instead he talked about an Robo exp or soemthing like that. I absolutely can´t tolerate stuff like this. It freaks me out.
Good games are exciting by themselves. I for one want a caster who makes the game a bit more interesting by EXPLAINING (not guessing) what might be the next move or what´s going through the player´s heads. Moletrap often predicts and acts like he knows anything. This actually makes it even more difficult for me to tolerate his complete lack of knowledge.
OT: Obviously, I love Grubby´s casting. Big gratz to him for a great move.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
On August 29 2012 21:50 KingAce wrote: The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
I agree, i don't understand why he gets so much hate, there are much worst caster out there. And even if you don't like his casting, there are ways to say it...
OT Grubby is an amazing caster and it will give him the opportunity to play on the Korean ladder, maybe he will try to qualify for GSL :p ?
Of course you´re right, there´s no reason to hate. But you have to be allowed to say when you don´t like a caster. He chose to earn his money by doing a job that is highly dependant on if his audience likes him. If it doesn´t he needs to improve. And I´m not talking about his voice or bad jokes. It´s just absolutely annoying how he has no idea about the GAME. There are so many things he seems to don´t know. Like today when he told us that 2/2 is halfway through for Mvp and in the next sentence speaks about that his armory is just finishing. Or when he didn´t predict at all the immortal push for Flying which was very obvious to anybody who watched some high level SC2 the last year. Instead he talked about an Robo exp or soemthing like that. I absolutely can´t tolerate stuff like this. It freaks me out.
Good games are exciting by themselves. I for one want a caster who makes the game a bit more interesting by EXPLAINING (not guessing) what might be the next move or what´s going through the player´s heads. Moletrap often predicts and acts like he knows anything. This actually makes it even more difficult for me to tolerate his complete lack of knowledge.
OT: Obviously, I love Grubby´s casting. Big gratz to him for a great move.
I trust you voice the same criticism for Tasteless.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
I hope they get grubby and another player caster aswell like TLO.We dont need casters like Moletrap when there are very good players also good at casting.This is not 2010 you have to know what you are talking about now.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
I've only heard Moletrap casts recently since OSL (I started sc2 in march and mosty followed korean bw casts before then) and I have to say I like his casting. Grubby should be a nice colour commentator to go with him.
Wow, what a dick move, are people trying to get moletrap to quit casting? I mean its fine to not like someone but bashing someone who is dependent on a particular job to get people to fire him is kinda a dick move.
On August 29 2012 22:23 Desertfaux wrote: I've only heard Moletrap casts recently since OSL (I started sc2 in march and mosty followed korean bw casts before then) and I have to say I like his casting. Grubby should be a nice colour commentator to go with him.
I think it's the other way around, Moletrap is more the color guy.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
because there is only so meny people that actually WANT to go and cast in korea
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
because there is only so meny people that actually WANT to go and cast in korea
Who are all worse than Moletrap?
If you want to post more on this subject, please PM me. These threads are bad enough.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
They didn't fly him to Korea. They picked him because he was the ONLY non-korean guy in Korea that could do the job.
He was already in Korea.
And riddle me this, why is he the ONLY caster in Korea that doesn't get flown to other tourneys to cast?
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
because there is only so meny people that actually WANT to go and cast in korea
Who are all worse than Moletrap?
Why don't you name all the good casters that actually want to move to korea and cast there full time? give me 3? excluding the once that are there and doa that wanted to go there
It really is a sweet deal for everybody. Grubby gets to train a little in the korean ladder and watching high-level strategies may also help him and hive him ideas. Grubby can also promote a little more his image in the asian gaming market. OGN gets a very good caster, with a good follow-up in the international community. It also shows they are not completely oblivious of the foreign scene.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
because there is only so meny people that actually WANT to go and cast in korea
Who are all worse than Moletrap?
Why don't you name all the good casters that actually want to move to korea and cast there full time? give me 3? excluding the once that are there and doa that wanted to go there
How the fuck are you or I supposed to know who wants to go where? Give it up.
Also, while I agree with many others Moletrap isnt my favourite caster, the hate he gets is completely uncalled for. To me hes just one of those (and theres quite a lot of them) casters who does his job well but without anything extra. Stop expecting everyone to have Apollos game knowledge while being a comedian and play-by-play caster all together.
On August 29 2012 22:07 Ace1123 wrote: Why does people hate moletrap so much -_-
Because Moletrap was a huge part of western RTS eSports BEFORE it was cool. Jealousy, ignorance and the usual internet forum shit. What I don't understand is why mindless caster bashing isn't moderated into oblivion. I'm not talking about TLers voicing a criticism, I'm talking about the "If Moletrap casts, I'll pull my ears off" type posts.
no people hate on him because he is bad at what he does, its no greater meaning behind it like you are trying to indicate
If he's so bad at what he does, why did the biggest SC2 tournament on earth fly him to Korea and pay him to cast?
Because he's bad, I guess.
because there is only so meny people that actually WANT to go and cast in korea
Who are all worse than Moletrap?
Why don't you name all the good casters that actually want to move to korea and cast there full time? give me 3? excluding the once that are there and doa that wanted to go there
How the fuck are you or I supposed to know who wants to go where? Give it up.
Haha :D its nice that you can't come up with anyone that have said they wanted to go there.. its okey bro also see what the guy under my last post wrote.. less stupid indications and more reality gogo
On August 29 2012 21:50 KingAce wrote: The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
I agree, i don't understand why he gets so much hate, there are much worst caster out there. And even if you don't like his casting, there are ways to say it...
OT Grubby is an amazing caster and it will give him the opportunity to play on the Korean ladder, maybe he will try to qualify for GSL :p ?
Of course you´re right, there´s no reason to hate. But you have to be allowed to say when you don´t like a caster. He chose to earn his money by doing a job that is highly dependant on if his audience likes him. If it doesn´t he needs to improve. And I´m not talking about his voice or bad jokes. It´s just absolutely annoying how he has no idea about the GAME. There are so many things he seems to don´t know. Like today when he told us that 2/2 is halfway through for Mvp and in the next sentence speaks about that his armory is just finishing. Or when he didn´t predict at all the immortal push for Flying which was very obvious to anybody who watched some high level SC2 the last year. Instead he talked about an Robo exp or soemthing like that. I absolutely can´t tolerate stuff like this. It freaks me out.
Good games are exciting by themselves. I for one want a caster who makes the game a bit more interesting by EXPLAINING (not guessing) what might be the next move or what´s going through the player´s heads. Moletrap often predicts and acts like he knows anything. This actually makes it even more difficult for me to tolerate his complete lack of knowledge. OT: Obviously, I love Grubby´s casting. Big gratz to him for a great move.
I trust you voice the same criticism for Tasteless.
Actually, I didn´t see lots of Tastosis the last couple of months because of work times. The bits I´ve seen made me think they are stagnating or even getting worse. But that´s not the point. I don´t think Tasteless doesn´t know (or forgets during casts) that you need an armory for 2/2. There are way too many examples for Moletrap not knowing about imo substantial things. Just one more example since I´m not taking notes on this stuff. Once on I think Shakuras, the overlord spotted that the opponent isn´t "close" by air, so he send a drone cross. Moletrap said "I wonder why he is sending the drone cross, maybe he has a special strat for that."
Also, what does Tasteless have to do with this? I already said I´m not hating on his voice or imo bad jokes. I really am mostly annoyed by the lack of knowledge.
On August 29 2012 22:38 Kompicek wrote: grubby is like the best caster ever, but i want him to be a progamer not a caster!! at least not yet please!
i feel the same way, i dont think we have seen all that Grubby is capable of. I would love for SC2 to "click" with Grubby and that he can show us all what he's really capable of as a pro-gamer.
anyway even if he does cast itll make me watch more. or maybe not if moletrap gets too annoying.
This is just as exciting as hearing that Grubby is going to Korea! Hope it really improves his already outstanding game and looking forward to hearing him cast once again, he's always been great at HSC and IEM.
GRubby is really amazing as a caster. Plus this will give him the opportunity to train in Korea since his casting job won't take that much time. Great news !
sounds good. It's a bit silly to bash a caster but moletrap is indeed quite bad. He just misses or misreads a lot of stuff and his jokes and comments are really awkward. In a duo it's not as worse but still pretty bad.
On August 29 2012 21:50 KingAce wrote: The hate on moletrap is disgusting. Worst thing about this community. Like Tastless says downright embarrassing at times. I love Grubby as caster and a player, will enjoy hearing him cast.
I agree, i don't understand why he gets so much hate, there are much worst caster out there. And even if you don't like his casting, there are ways to say it...
OT Grubby is an amazing caster and it will give him the opportunity to play on the Korean ladder, maybe he will try to qualify for GSL :p ?
Of course you´re right, there´s no reason to hate. But you have to be allowed to say when you don´t like a caster. He chose to earn his money by doing a job that is highly dependant on if his audience likes him. If it doesn´t he needs to improve. And I´m not talking about his voice or bad jokes. It´s just absolutely annoying how he has no idea about the GAME. There are so many things he seems to don´t know. Like today when he told us that 2/2 is halfway through for Mvp and in the next sentence speaks about that his armory is just finishing. Or when he didn´t predict at all the immortal push for Flying which was very obvious to anybody who watched some high level SC2 the last year. Instead he talked about an Robo exp or soemthing like that. I absolutely can´t tolerate stuff like this. It freaks me out.
Good games are exciting by themselves. I for one want a caster who makes the game a bit more interesting by EXPLAINING (not guessing) what might be the next move or what´s going through the player´s heads. Moletrap often predicts and acts like he knows anything. This actually makes it even more difficult for me to tolerate his complete lack of knowledge. OT: Obviously, I love Grubby´s casting. Big gratz to him for a great move.
I trust you voice the same criticism for Tasteless.
Actually, I didn´t see lots of Tastosis the last couple of months because of work times. The bits I´ve seen made me think they are stagnating or even getting worse. But that´s not the point. I don´t think Tasteless doesn´t know (or forgets during casts) that you need an armory for 2/2. There are way too many examples for Moletrap not knowing about imo substantial things. Just one more example since I´m not taking notes on this stuff. Once on I think Shakuras, the overlord spotted that the opponent isn´t "close" by air, so he send a drone cross. Moletrap said "I wonder why he is sending the drone cross, maybe he has a special strat for that."
Also, what does Tasteless have to do with this? I already said I´m not hating on his voice or imo bad jokes. I really am mostly annoyed by the lack of knowledge.
Tbh I'm not convinced the 2/2 thing wasn't at heat-of-the-moment misspeak/brainfart, but the reason I bring up tasteless is because theres a pretty common double standard when it comes to him and other low-game-knowledge casters. So I'm just curious to see whether would lambast moletrap on the basis of game knowledge but not do the same for tasteless who arguably doesn't have any better game knowledge. Tasteless frequently demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge about SC2 strategy and metagame.
On August 29 2012 04:55 Belha wrote: Moletrap is just a average mediiocre caster.
You are just an average, mediocre poster.
Moletrap has done more for esports in a day of his casting work than you in a year as a poster. So why do you judge him so hard?
So doing something for esports makes him a good caster? Get real. A lot of people, including myself, don't enjoy Moletraps casting. I don't hate Moletrap, but there's just so much he has to improve as a caster. In my opinion Moletrap just doesn't add a lot of entertainment to the games by his casting and his knowlage of the game is terrible.
That being said I'm looking forward to Grubbys casting. He's great to listen to.
Stop this nonsense moletrap bashing. Ppl likes way too much bandwagoons. He is not on par with Tastosis or Apolo and Khaldor but all this bashing is really nonsense. Paired with Grubby great things will happen.
On August 29 2012 23:25 torm3ntin wrote: Stop this nonsense moletrap bashing. Ppl likes way too much bandwagoons. He is not on par with Tastosis or Apolo and Khaldor but all this bashing is really nonsense. Paired with Grubby great things will happen.
No he isn't as good as them, and with so many people complaining you'd think they would do something. There is a huge selection of casters-to-be that would jump at the opportunity to take his spot. A lot of them, in my opinion, are better than Moletrap. I don't even dislike Moletrap, I just think that OSL should be hiring S Class Casters.
Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
Insult players in his casts of their games.
Do share.
He regularly referred to the players he was casting as "scrubs" and constantly said things like "That attack was just bad" or "He's playing poorly." etc.
Whether or not that's the case, that's not how you cast, and Moletrap, frankly, doesn't know jack shit about the game. Further, you don't ever insult the players.
If you are Artosis and are one of the most knowledgeable people with regards to the game there is, you can get away with pointing out bad play when it happens, and even he doesn't do it all that often, and certainly doesn't couch it in such negative terms. He never calls players scrubs either.
I will try watching OSL because I really like Grubby, but there's a super high chance I'll get angry and turn it off because of Moletrap. He's irritating and constantly talks over whoever he is casting with, he completely ignores what his partner says on a regular basis (it's not unusual at all for him to repeat what his co-caster just said a minute ago), and rather than accept constructive criticism when provided like all of the other casters do, he just laughs at people and trolls them.
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
Insult players in his casts of their games.
Do share.
He regularly referred to the players he was casting as "scrubs" and constantly said things like "That attack was just bad" or "He's playing poorly." etc.
Whether or not that's the case, that's not how you cast, and Moletrap, frankly, doesn't know jack shit about the game. Further, you don't ever insult the players.
If you are Artosis and are one of the most knowledgeable people with regards to the game there is, you can get away with pointing out bad play when it happens, and even he doesn't do it all that often, and certainly doesn't couch it in such negative terms. He never calls players scrubs either.
What, back in his Youtube days? GSL casts? Give me a source, link to a VOD or something. I've never heard that, at least in his professional casting period.
Also, "playing poorly" is a valid statement in a cast.
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
Insult players in his casts of their games.
Do share.
He regularly referred to the players he was casting as "scrubs" and constantly said things like "That attack was just bad" or "He's playing poorly." etc.
Whether or not that's the case, that's not how you cast, and Moletrap, frankly, doesn't know jack shit about the game. Further, you don't ever insult the players.
If you are Artosis and are one of the most knowledgeable people with regards to the game there is, you can get away with pointing out bad play when it happens, and even he doesn't do it all that often, and certainly doesn't couch it in such negative terms. He never calls players scrubs either.
What, back in his Youtube days? GSL casts? Give me a source, link to a VOD or something. I've never heard that, at least in his professional casting period.
Also, "playing poorly" is a valid statement in a cast.
He did in his GSL casts, several times. Also, I edited the post above to add number of reasons.
Playing poorly is a valid statement if you actually know what the fuck you are talking about, Moletrap has no clue. He has no idea of the difference between actually playing poorly, and simply looking like you're playing poorly because your opponent is executing one of those builds. It's not unusual for top tier Korean players to look like garbage against MC for example, because his style just makes the games look that way, even if they aren't playing badly at all.
Like I said, Artosis can get away with those comments, because he's generally right when he says it. Moletrap has no idea whether he's right or wrong and is just spouting nonsense. If you're not absolutely certain you're right when you make a negative comment about a player, you'd better damn well refrain.
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
It's not over the top he's just a bad caster this has been established since his casting in the GSL and continues to prove true. He has not gotten better he has gotten worse it's fairly obvious. I'm also surprised OGN even hired Moletrap when he's covering LoL, someone who hasn't casted Starcraft in a long time should not cast it, whether the person is doing analyticall or play by play commentary.
On August 29 2012 23:25 torm3ntin wrote: Stop this nonsense moletrap bashing. Ppl likes way too much bandwagoons. He is not on par with Tastosis or Apolo and Khaldor but all this bashing is really nonsense. Paired with Grubby great things will happen.
No he isn't as good as them, and with so many people complaining you'd think they would do something. There is a huge selection of casters-to-be that would jump at the opportunity to take his spot. A lot of them, in my opinion, are better than Moletrap. I don't even dislike Moletrap, I just think that OSL should be hiring S Class Casters.
To be fair getting Grubby in is hiring S-Class casters. However there are very few casters who are genuinely good on screen and have good knowledge, even fewer who are willing to halt their lives and go live in Korea. On top of that the good ones can probably make more from 2 MLG's and a Dreamhack than a seasons worth of OSL. I personally can't watch moletrap casts, I'll make an exception if grubbys there though, but the korean stream usually works after a few prods. (wish they could arrange some remote casting with sayle though, kids casts have been good press for them)
this level of moletrap bashing occurring recently sickens me a lot. Feels like being part of a sandbox community...
criticising things is a good thing but this immature BS is nowhere near being constructive. Show some manners and respect, I mean, I hate to break the news to all you impudent netizens, but on the other side of the screen there sits a person with feelings just like you (hopefully)!
On August 30 2012 00:16 Whitewing wrote: Ugh, I dunno if I should watch this because Grubby is awesome, or avoid it because Moletrap is awful >_<.
His observational skills and game knowledge are just not up to par (i.e. like in yesterday's game where he mistook 25 worker kills in the EARLY game as 5-7!). Especially for a tournament as prestigious as the OSL. This is the OSL. It's the most highly regarded tournament in the history of sc. It deserves, we deserve better casters, not even merely "good" or "decent" ones. That's how I feel anyhow. I think Grubby is a great caster and he would represent the OSL very well.
Grubby is casting really good, but i would also like to see him progress as a player. I think he is getting better and better lately, i hope he won't stop
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly with hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
He's just not a very good caster, and people expect great casting at major events. His understanding of the game is terrible, even with obvious things like when MVP lost almost 20 SCVs in the early game on screen and he made comments about how he only lost 5 SCVs.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
No really, you're going to do awesome and I'm so happy for you! I hope you also get time to practice and use the training grounds to keep improving your already impressive performance!
On August 30 2012 00:13 detestrian wrote: Can't stand all the Moletrap hate... It's like he's personally offended 90% of TL. WTF has he ever done to deserve such hideously over-the-top criticism?
He's just not a very good caster, and people expect great casting at major events. His understanding of the game is terrible, even with obvious things like when MVP lost almost 20 SCVs in the early game on screen and he made comments about how he only lost 5 SCVs.
Agree, he misreads situations very often so people hate him for it.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly with hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
+10 would read again.
11/10 for same post count when viewed. Would coincidence again (Amazing post too).
Bashing Moletrap is too easy. I would much rather bash Grubby, whose grasp of english word pronunciation is terrible. Rotti, Khaldor, and Grubby... how do these people who barely know how to speak english correctly become professional casters?
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
No one is entitled to a career you know.
I agree that some of the bashing has gone way overboard, but the idea of having consumers have to bear thru something which at best is so-so and at worst downright annoying just because of "his feelings" or "his passion" is silly.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
No one is entitled to a career you know.
I agree that some of the bashing has gone way overboard, but the idea of having consumers have to bear thru something which at best is so-so and at worst downright annoying just because of "his feelings" or "his passion" is silly.
I agree you get paid to do your job the best you can and if people still don't like then you should find yourself another career(not to be rude to moletrap) The consumer/majority Audience is and always will be right. Passion doesn't mean you can be bad at something and the public can't reject it.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
Haveyou ever watched the south park episode where stan becomes a cynical asshole? Sounds similar to me!
This is the best news in a long time for me personally! Grubby has the know-how AND the elbow grease to bring us to a new land! Think about it guys, Casters are only casting half the time, The rest of the time they are breathing.. IN! But not anymore baby! Grubby knows inward casting check it out! Jokes aside. Damn this is good.
I like Grubby's casting, but I think too much Grubby will get boring really fast. Just something about his monotone/lack of excitement in some of the casts I've seen that, despite the type of analysis backing it up, doesn't seem very engaging as a spectator.
I also prefer cheering for Grubby and watching him play, pretty sure this is gonna really cut into his practice time.
On August 30 2012 01:08 Jojo131 wrote: I like Grubby's casting, but I think too much Grubby will get boring really fast. Just something about his monotone/lack of excitement in some of the casts I've seen that, despite the type of analysis backing it up, doesn't seem very engaging as a spectator.
I also prefer cheering for Grubby and watching him play, pretty sure this is gonna really cut into his practice time.
It's only 2 weeks and he can practice on the korean server, the osl casts don't take up too much time.
On August 30 2012 01:08 Jojo131 wrote: I like Grubby's casting, but I think too much Grubby will get boring really fast. Just something about his monotone/lack of excitement in some of the casts I've seen that, despite the type of analysis backing it up, doesn't seem very engaging as a spectator.
I also prefer cheering for Grubby and watching him play, pretty sure this is gonna really cut into his practice time.
It's only 2 weeks and he can practice on the korean server, the osl casts don't take up too much time.
I'm concerned though, considering he's prepping for an all EU tournament getting used to the Koreans might not be the best idea.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
Haveyou ever watched the south park episode where stan becomes a cynical asshole? Sounds similar to me!
Did he make a point that was incorrect? There is nothing that says passion = right to profession. If that were true I'd be an astronaut and millions would be movie/music stars (Not to say some stars are where they are because of passion, but that leads to ACTUAL skill and prowess whereas MT is still god awful).
Grubby is one of the best casters out there, I just hope he won't stop playing professionally - he got some awesome results in the last month, would be shame to throw all that hard work away.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
Haveyou ever watched the south park episode where stan becomes a cynical asshole? Sounds similar to me!
To clarify, which of us is being a cynic? Please enlighten me before you go hop back aboard the hate train.
While I'm here, I'm going to avoid double posting.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly with hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
+10 would read again.
11/10 for same post count when viewed. Would coincidence again (Amazing post too).
I just want to thank you two for validating me. You've already made my day and it's only 10:15 AM. Seriously I love it when people on the internet get my humour, especially while others are trying to say I suck.
Now below here, unlike the discourse with Creager, we have an actual discussion going on:
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
No one is entitled to a career you know.
I agree that some of the bashing has gone way overboard, but the idea of having consumers have to bear thru something which at best is so-so and at worst downright annoying just because of "his feelings" or "his passion" is silly.
I agree you get paid to do your job the best you can and if people still don't like then you should find yourself another career(not to be rude to moletrap) The consumer/majority Audience is and always will be right. Passion doesn't mean you can be bad at something and the public can't reject it.
Absolutely, I think that's fine. But the thing is, our community doesn't really have a history of calmly saying "hey, buck up soon or you're in trouble" Instead, it's just a bunch of hate that snowballs until the person is crushed. We could give moletrap an ultimatum or something for really getting his shit sorted out, and while that might not be an ideal solution it'd be a much better one than just going on another career ending rampage like we're prone to do.
Grubby is great, I'd love to listen to him, but since moletrap stays, I still can't watch this. When he screams, it digs so deep into my soul, I just feel like breaking my headset. Really, that loud off-pitched sound... It just hurts sooo much!
No it's not a joke, his voice when he gets over-eager.. It's impossible for me to listen to, I've shut off many streams because of it.
I can't watch it without sound, and I can't find the korean stream. Which means, no OSL for me yet
Yeah many persons might think I'm a douche, but for me, it's really that bad. Sorry moletrap.
On August 30 2012 01:04 creamyturtle wrote: Bashing Moletrap is too easy. I would much rather bash Grubby, whose grasp of english word pronunciation is terrible. Rotti, Khaldor, and Grubby... how do these people who barely know how to speak english correctly become professional casters?
Bashing someone's accent is even easier.. Grubby,Khaldor or Rotti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moletrap
On August 30 2012 01:30 Makro wrote: actually it's a good move to hire grubby, because it's an awesome caster and plus, he's very popular, 100% win for OSL
And he might learn a trick or two being exposed to the KR ladder/ casting high level games
On August 29 2012 03:38 usethis2 wrote: I have no problem with Moletrap. Better than Khaldor, IMO. Is Grubby going to give up his career as a player? Otherwise, it won't be a wise move to be a full-time caster.
Pretty much anyone is better than Khaldor IMO. He just has no game knowledge. Would prefer for Grubby to stay as a player, but he is also a great up and coming caster defo.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
Haveyou ever watched the south park episode where stan becomes a cynical asshole? Sounds similar to me!
To clarify, which of us is being a cynic? Please enlighten me before you go hop back aboard the hate train.
While I'm here, I'm going to avoid double posting.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly with hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
+10 would read again.
11/10 for same post count when viewed. Would coincidence again (Amazing post too).
I just want to thank you two for validating me. You've already made my day and it's only 10:15 AM. Seriously I love it when people on the internet get my humour, especially while others are trying to say I suck.
Now below here, unlike the discourse with Creager, we have an actual discussion going on:
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
No one is entitled to a career you know.
I agree that some of the bashing has gone way overboard, but the idea of having consumers have to bear thru something which at best is so-so and at worst downright annoying just because of "his feelings" or "his passion" is silly.
I agree you get paid to do your job the best you can and if people still don't like then you should find yourself another career(not to be rude to moletrap) The consumer/majority Audience is and always will be right. Passion doesn't mean you can be bad at something and the public can't reject it.
Absolutely, I think that's fine. But the thing is, our community doesn't really have a history of calmly saying "hey, buck up soon or you're in trouble" Instead, it's just a bunch of hate that snowballs until the person is crushed. We could give moletrap an ultimatum or something for really getting his shit sorted out, and while that might not be an ideal solution it'd be a much better one than just going on another career ending rampage like we're prone to do.
^^
Also, to your point about how the community handles poor performance, I couldn't agree more. Although I think with Moletrap as of now (and KellyMilkies as well) we can say that they have had (not so much Kelly as she has moved elsewhere) ample time to buck up and improve their game. I'm not saying he won't do it, I'm just saying he needs to do something different than what he has been doing.
On August 30 2012 01:08 SPcrusader wrote: This is the best news in a long time for me personally! Grubby has the know-how AND the elbow grease to bring us to a new land! Think about it guys, Casters are only casting half the time, The rest of the time they are breathing.. IN! But not anymore baby! Grubby knows inward casting check it out! Jokes aside. Damn this is good.
Haha nice reference man ! They'll cast as two kings, they'll fuckin' cast as two kings !!!
This is really cool! Great move by OGN, Grubby is such a good caster. Just hope he has enough free time and stays there long enough so that he can greatly improve his play in a KR environment!
On August 29 2012 04:08 Alaiz wrote: Don't be so nasty against Moletrap, he's doing his best to bring us some exciting commentaries and I bet that most of you aren't able to cast better than him... Talking trash of people is so easy when we're behind our keyboard...
Antway, I really wish Moletrap to stay, and i find that he got better today. Note that he was alone and casting the OSL is not easy. Plus, if Grubby joins it would be very cool, but don't throw away Moletrap... He's fine imo.
I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
And what is it with the "u probably couldnt do it better" argument? Perhaps not, but thats not in any way the point unless you want a world where only the superiors can critic. Even though I cannot do it better I can critic him for not doing his job well... luckily im not getting paid to cast and honestly, he shouldnt either in my opinion.
Grubby though is an awsome commentator, Doa is perfectly decent and them together might work out very very well.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
I wasn't into Warcraft 3, but do Koreans know about Grubby since he was famous in Warcraft 3 along with Moon? It could be a good way to attract more Korean fans from Warcraft 3?
On August 30 2012 02:48 NoGasfOu wrote: I wasn't into Warcraft 3, but do Koreans know about Grubby since he was famous in Warcraft 3 along with Moon? It could be a good way to attract more Korean fans from Warcraft 3?
Can't speak for Korea but this move would DEFINITELY give OSL the advantage in China.
I enjoy Grubby's casting, think he'd make a great addition to OGN. In regards to Moletrap, I've personally never liked his casting; however, I'm not going to go out my way to see he loses his job or anything.
In short, OGN if you're reading this, I think Grubby and Doa would be a pretty cool combo to try out. If that doesn't work, I'm cool with moletrap. Side note, you should let Sayle restream OSL.
On August 30 2012 02:48 NoGasfOu wrote: I wasn't into Warcraft 3, but do Koreans know about Grubby since he was famous in Warcraft 3 along with Moon? It could be a good way to attract more Korean fans from Warcraft 3?
yes of course that Koreans know him. He won multiple titles there and also wcg, and was few times finalist. But im excited that this can drag Chinese players since there are plenty of incredible talents there and they love him. Alao to mention that he lived in Korea and China long time so that is certainly a plus
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
Just as a little note: Almost every comment I've ever read on GSL VOD's has been negative. That community being toxic doesn't speak to the overall, but that's just in pertainence to that specifically.
Really glad he is doing this, and even more glad that he won't be there too long. I love his casting, but any longer than what has been announced and his play would suffer.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
Look at the title of this thread. Look at what you're posting.
Can't you at least keep this shit in the right place?
Grubby is one of my absolute favorite players, and by FAR my favorite caster. I'm a bit torn about this though, as I don't want him to lose his momentum as a player. I'm not a fan of Moletraps casting, so i'm really glad he will spice up the OSL, especially since Sayle isn't allowed to cast it anymore. I was actually considering watching the OSL in Korean commentary up until this announcement.
I seriously don't get people that complain on Moletrap. Moletrap is a good caster, he is alot more updated than any caster out there except for Artosis and he has good imput. If you have a problem with his voice, get treatment for your ears or something.
Grubby has great knowledge about the game so this is a pretty good choice. However, one of Moletrap's biggest flaw is he tends to start screaming over his co-caster, which is incredibly annoying. I've noticed he doesn't scream as much when he is solo casting, hopefully that carries over when he starts casting with Grubby.
On August 30 2012 03:35 Davoud wrote: I seriously don't get people that complain on Moletrap. Moletrap is a good caster, he is alot more updated than any caster out there except for Artosis and he has good imput. If you have a problem with his voice, get treatment for your ears or something.
Um, the reason you don't understand why people complain about Moletrap is that you have no idea what it means to be up to date on the game. Moletrap is about as knowledgeable as Total Biscuit, and TB doesn't pretend to know anything about the game.
I'd rather listen to almost any caster other than Moletrap to be honest with you.
On August 30 2012 03:34 nmetasch wrote: Grubby is one of my absolute favorite players, and by FAR my favorite caster. I'm a bit torn about this though, as I don't want him to lose his momentum as a player. I'm not a fan of Moletraps casting, so i'm really glad he will spice up the OSL, especially since Sayle isn't allowed to cast it anymore. I was actually considering watching the OSL in Korean commentary up until this announcement.
I was wondering about his momentum too but I don't think he will have an issue. He is naturally gifted at commentating and a very charismatic person, I wouldn't have thought he would need to worry about practising it, plus the OGN schedules aren't too demanding, 1.30 hours a day for the OSL tops and the PL isn't that much over 1.30 per match either. Of course he is in Korea too, can't get much better than that for practise.
Kinda weird considering Grubby comes from WC3 rather than BW. His personal affection toward the OSL is likely far lower than moletrap's. Still, he's funny and knowledgeable, and they could have done a lot worse. Having Sayle cast could've been a great community service, but it's not a very wise corporate decision, seeing that nothing is known about Sayle's professional stature.
Moletrap's casting seemed better than I remember in the first two days of OSL, but that honestly might be because he was solo casting and didn't have anyone to talk over. It remains to be seen if he's fixed that aspect of his casting yet.
On the whole his casting just isn't very informative. I feel as though he simply states what is happening in the game and smiles. No analysis and no predictions because he just doesn't seem to know enough about the game.
Grubby's going to make an amazing addition. His casting is incredible. Let's just hope he can avoid being over-run my Moletrap =)
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
You know there is a difference between bashing and criticizing someone?
On August 30 2012 03:35 Davoud wrote: I seriously don't get people that complain on Moletrap. Moletrap is a good caster, he is alot more updated than any caster out there except for Artosis and he has good imput. If you have a problem with his voice, get treatment for your ears or something.
Um, the reason you don't understand why people complain about Moletrap is that you have no idea what it means to be up to date on the game. Moletrap is about as knowledgeable as Total Biscuit, and TB doesn't pretend to know anything about the game.
I'd rather listen to almost any caster other than Moletrap to be honest with you.
He's not a bad caster. He's a bad analyst. There are many great casters out there who cannot do hardcore analysis like Wheat and TB. I used to dislike TB because he would try to give analytic input when he didn't know what he was talking about, but after receiving criticism, he stopped doing that. Moletrap, however, continues to try and work as an analyst and he can't.
He still gets a lot of supporters because not everyone understands the game well enough to see how much he says that is flat out wrong. If he would just make the switch to casting more like Wheat or TB, I think a much larger percentage of people would enjoy his casting. Partnering him with Grubby is the best thing OGN could do. The ball is now in Moletrap's court. He needs to back off and accept his role as a play-by-play/color commentator.
Well I definitely will refuse to watch Grubby cast anything. Not because he can't cast, but because he can actually play and beat anyone if he just dedicates himself to it.
They must have offered him MAD CASH to have him do this during the period which WCS Europe is taking place.
I really don't feel this is a good decision on grubby's part... but he's experienced and I trust his judgement. It will make for some awesome casts hopefully.
On August 30 2012 05:14 Deathmanbob wrote: guys, the really question is why the fuck isnt sayle casting?
grubby will be awesome though, he is a great caster and i hope he gets to train with kespa players as part of the deal
Because Sayle has work still, and his workplace is in a period where all hands on deck are needed, as hes stated MULTIPLE times on his stream. You can't just throw away your real life obligations on a whim.
On August 30 2012 05:14 Deathmanbob wrote: guys, the really question is why the fuck isnt sayle casting?
grubby will be awesome though, he is a great caster and i hope he gets to train with kespa players as part of the deal
Because Sayle has work still, and his workplace is in a period where all hands on deck are needed, as hes stated MULTIPLE times on his stream. You can't just throw away your real life obligations on a whim.
Nevertheless, you can't deny that Grubby + Sayle combo would be orgasmic. I would honestly be able to wrap my future kids in the warm silk blanket that is Grubby and Sayles voices.
Oh man. Grubby is so good! One of may favorite players AND caster!
Now, Moletrap...
Honestly, I think they keep Moletrap around because he understands Korean. I don't know if he's a good LoL caster but if he is, maybe OGN should just keep him there and hire an interpreter for Grubby instead.
EDIT: All right, he's not that bad in the OSL. Still, it wouldn't hurt for him to read up more on SC2. It would help a lot more given the OSL features a lot of these analysis sessions before and after games. Maybe pairing him with Grubby is a good thing for him as he now has someone who can help him with the technicalities of the game.
Still, casting by himself, I don't think he's a Day9 or anything but he's doing an okay job.
On August 30 2012 03:35 Davoud wrote: I seriously don't get people that complain on Moletrap. Moletrap is a good caster, he is alot more updated than any caster out there except for Artosis and he has good imput. If you have a problem with his voice, get treatment for your ears or something.
Um, the reason you don't understand why people complain about Moletrap is that you have no idea what it means to be up to date on the game. Moletrap is about as knowledgeable as Total Biscuit, and TB doesn't pretend to know anything about the game.
I'd rather listen to almost any caster other than Moletrap to be honest with you.
He's not a bad caster. He's a bad analyst. There are many great casters out there who cannot do hardcore analysis like Wheat and TB. I used to dislike TB because he would try to give analytic input when he didn't know what he was talking about, but after receiving criticism, he stopped doing that. Moletrap, however, continues to try and work as an analyst and he can't.
He still gets a lot of supporters because not everyone understands the game well enough to see how much he says that is flat out wrong. If he would just make the switch to casting more like Wheat or TB, I think a much larger percentage of people would enjoy his casting. Partnering him with Grubby is the best thing OGN could do. The ball is now in Moletrap's court. He needs to back off and accept his role as a play-by-play/color commentator.
On August 30 2012 05:14 Deathmanbob wrote: guys, the really question is why the fuck isnt sayle casting?
grubby will be awesome though, he is a great caster and i hope he gets to train with kespa players as part of the deal
Because Sayle has work still, and his workplace is in a period where all hands on deck are needed, as hes stated MULTIPLE times on his stream. You can't just throw away your real life obligations on a whim.
Nevertheless, you can't deny that Grubby + Sayle combo would be orgasmic. I would honestly be able to wrap my future kids in the warm silk blanket that is Grubby and Sayles voices.
I would def do this as well. Sayle is so awesome at casting and well grubby is just amazing.
We'll see how the Grubby-trap is... If Grubby doesn't let Moletrap talk over him, and corrects his mistakes... It might be doable. Of course there's still Moletrap's voice to worry about...
Grubby-Doa would be epic. I really hope that happens in the near future. Honestly, I like Grubby better as a caster than as a player, it lets more of his fun personality come out, and I think he could do better in the long run with it.
When does OSL even stream? I have so much issues findin' games and VODs. GOM seems more appealin' to foreign audiences. Would love to actually be able to catch OSL matches though, instead of just lookin' at results. (Yes I am implyin' that I failed to use the powerful tool that is "Google", the only results I found were in Korean, other than OGNLoL, and I'm not goin' to sit on twitch waitin' to see who pops up) If anyone can let me know what days/times that would be awesome!
Also on topic to thread! Grubby is an AMAZIN' caster. By far my favorite to watch any time he casts somethin'. Tastosis is still good, just not as good as someone like Grubby. Not only can he analyze, but he actually plays at a high level and can give you a better idea of what's goin' and what each player should be thinkin' their current position. Go Grubby! Hopefully Moletrap will sit back and do the play by play to lead into Grubby's analyzin', it'll help his reputation a lot. Nice guy, great play by play, terrible analyzin' (but that's common amongst most casters that aren't top tier players).
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
Haveyou ever watched the south park episode where stan becomes a cynical asshole? Sounds similar to me!
To clarify, which of us is being a cynic? Please enlighten me before you go hop back aboard the hate train.
While I'm here, I'm going to avoid double posting.
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly with hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
+10 would read again.
11/10 for same post count when viewed. Would coincidence again (Amazing post too).
I just want to thank you two for validating me. You've already made my day and it's only 10:15 AM. Seriously I love it when people on the internet get my humour, especially while others are trying to say I suck.
Now below here, unlike the discourse with Creager, we have an actual discussion going on:
On August 30 2012 00:47 TheDougler wrote: People don't get it.
They don't get why we bash moletrap.
Ignore the whiners, this must be done.
Think about the precedent we set if we fail to uphold our ancient tradition.
The moon is rising in the house of saturn and within us the stirring occurs. We hunger for blood. The bi-monthly witch hunt cannot be stopped. Our will is too great. The gods will surely send us better foriegner results if we take down another caster.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nestea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Sounds more like the typical internet conversation between people (like me) who are looking for reason and therefore learning from it and... "Oh instead of replying and using my brain I should write down complete nonsense and hope for anyone to find it even as half as funny as me, because it's better to have fun than reason DUH!!!"
Don't know when I grew this giant stick up my butt, sorry, bro... -.-
Yeah, fun shouldn't be allowed!
I shall accept your apology at the end of that though. Happens to the best of us honestly. Now, did you want to give a reason why we should tear down another career like we have been doing since the Kelly Milkies incident?
No one is entitled to a career you know.
I agree that some of the bashing has gone way overboard, but the idea of having consumers have to bear thru something which at best is so-so and at worst downright annoying just because of "his feelings" or "his passion" is silly.
I agree you get paid to do your job the best you can and if people still don't like then you should find yourself another career(not to be rude to moletrap) The consumer/majority Audience is and always will be right. Passion doesn't mean you can be bad at something and the public can't reject it.
Absolutely, I think that's fine. But the thing is, our community doesn't really have a history of calmly saying "hey, buck up soon or you're in trouble" Instead, it's just a bunch of hate that snowballs until the person is crushed. We could give moletrap an ultimatum or something for really getting his shit sorted out, and while that might not be an ideal solution it'd be a much better one than just going on another career ending rampage like we're prone to do.
lol I'd consider myself the cynical one then
but what's important is that even though it might not be necessary to be extremely nice to someone who isn't doing his job well it's by no means okay to release a shitstorm above someone everytime he makes a mistake.
For a long time Tastosis was the only caster duo I could stand watching. However with the recent decline in their enthusiasm (check out "Tastosis highlights" on YouTube, and compare them to the way they cast now), as well as the awesomeness that is khaldor/wolf, it made me think twice. And that was that it is very much possible for new caster duos to surpass the archons them self. Grubby / Doa could be the very birth of something really fresh that the community needs. Till then, wolfdor always leaves me satisfied with their enthusiastic and synchronised "GG" at the end of each match!
I said this before in another thread but interesting fact - Moletrap rarely interrupted anyone (if he did, he asked first if it was okay) and was more knowledgeable in BW than in SC2.
Now, some may not like Moletrap even in BW but the majority liked him and was at least fine with him (better in co casts because he did well).
I guess Moletrap isn't as interested in SC2 as in BW which is a bit disappointing. I want Moletrap to succeed. I do hope he tries to get into SC2 more to become a better caster.
He has the potential as seen in BW (and he did fine in BW).
Maybe one reason is that all of Moletrap's old co casters from BW are gone, so he's in new territory with new people (maybe uncomfortable for him). Though, I don't really know. I do wish things go well for him in the future and that he can improve so that we can see BW Moletrap except in SC2 (maybe more better too).
Also here's Moletrap and Klazart casting that infamous MSL Flash vs Jaedong Finals:
(Also Moletrap's thought on Jaedong given the win at around 24 minutes and 30 seconds. Basically he understands and makes the point it would have been unfair to Jaedong too if they did a rematch [in any case, it's a lose lose all around as it's hard to make the right calls].)
As you can see in the video (they start talking about the game instead of the players a minute in), Moletrap is much better in BW than in SC2 (especially with co casting).
Again, I hope somehow the old BW Moletrap returns (someone get Moletrap and Tasteless together so they can restore their passion!!!11).
On August 30 2012 09:05 Headhunts wrote: Ugh dont like grubby at all. hes a mediocre player at best and less than sub par caster. Tastosis is getting a lot of off time now why won't they cast anyway
They won't cast OSL because it is a direct competitor to GSL. Tasteless has stated this in 1 or 2 interviews i believe.
Calling Grubby "mediocre at best" is also a pretty "meh" statement :D
Sweet, Grubby is one of my favorite casters. It's always nice to have a caster that knows what they're talking about. ATM, the only caster that fits this bill is Artosis and other player-casters. And as far as player-casters go, Grubby is probably the most charismatic and articulate caster out of all them. And I love his vocabulary. I usually learn a new word each cast he makes.
On August 30 2012 08:44 Incomplet wrote: For a long time Tastosis was the only caster duo I could stand watching. However with the recent decline in their enthusiasm (check out "Tastosis highlights" on YouTube, and compare them to the way they cast now), as well as the awesomeness that is khaldor/wolf, it made me think twice. And that was that it is very much possible for new caster duos to surpass the archons them self. Grubby / Doa could be the very birth of something really fresh that the community needs. Till then, wolfdor always leaves me satisfied with their enthusiastic and synchronised "GG" at the end of each match!
WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Maybe, just maybe the insanely great cast of Grubby can overshadow the complete (sorry, but i have to say) trash Moletrap produces so maybe we can have some great casts .
I've really enjoyed the commentating Grubby has done so far. Him casting for the OSL will be a great addition. I hope that he will have time to participate in tournaments in Korea when he's not casting.
Grubby is one of my favourite casters, this is great news. Hopefully if he points out and corrects every bs that moletrap talks, then the overall cast could be watchable.
I always find it hilarious how in every interview, everyone asks him about casting, and he always says that yes he would consider pursuing a career in casting, after he's sixty years old and can no longer compete as a player. But he is just too gifted and everyone wants him, because he is one of the most eloquent and charismatic dudes around, and he knows what he is talking about.
Good luck grubby! I hope you can continue to play and compete!
On August 30 2012 09:05 Headhunts wrote: Ugh dont like grubby at all. hes a mediocre player at best and less than sub par caster. Tastosis is getting a lot of off time now why won't they cast anyway
I honestly don't understand how anyone can hate Grubby as a caster.
Grubby is an awesome caster and the OSL casts are surely gonna be awesome. But I still hope to see him become one of the best as a player rather than a caster.
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
Look at the title of this thread. Look at what you're posting.
Can't you at least keep this shit in the right place?
Are you stupid or what is your problem? I responded on a post in this thread that was about the way people critic casters and wether or not it should be done. I was in no way intending to start a discussion about moletraps be or not to be. You are the one who started that part of the discussion by claiming my "information" (that I never ever said was anything but personal experience). was false. Then after keeping that topic alive you whine on me for doing so? Get a grip.
Awesome news...means Grubby will be playing and STREAMING in Aussie friendly hours on the Korean Ladder :D....sweeet, more awesomeness is not possible.
Oh and he is regularly casting as well ...maybe more awesomeness is possible :D
As a huge grubby fan I have no problem with him casting the OSL until he gets his beta key. Once grubby can teleport units like in wc3 these x starcraft players gonna seem like scrubs, grubby is gonna bring the noise big time. If he can escape from fungals and emp's with the help of teleporting back to nexus, gg grubby gonna dominate.
On August 30 2012 16:14 SgtSlick wrote: As a huge grubby fan I have no problem with him casting the OSL until he gets his beta key. Once grubby gets his HOTS key and can teleport units like in wc3 these x starcraft players gonna seem like scrubs, grubby is gonna bring the noise big time. If he can escape from fungals and emp's with the help of teleporting back to nexus, gg grubby gonna dominate.
Was simply a mis-click shesh. How do I delete? User was warned for this post
Nice! I really enjoy watching Grubby's streams and the events where he is shoutcasting. OSL should contact RotterdaM aswell, I bet they would be awesome shoutcasters together.
I dont know how i feel about this. Grubby is an amazing caster which would make it awesome but... 1) Grubby wont have as much time to practice SC2 professionally 2) Moletrap is a terrible caster (imo)
On August 30 2012 17:38 TAMinator wrote: I dont know how i feel about this. Grubby is an amazing caster which would make it awesome but... 1) Grubby wont have as much time to practice SC2 professionally 2) Moletrap is a terrible caster (imo)
1) OSL is broadcasted twice a week, and even on these days the broadcast is not that long so he can practice. I think the benefit of playing on the Korean server largely outweight the practice time he will be loosing casting (he is already doing casting gigs anyway, because he needs to keep his brand strong).
2) Moletrap is a decent caster (imo) => your opinion, and mine are not that important.
2) Moletrap is a decent caster (imo) => your opinion, and mine are not that important.
But the opinion from 90% of the viewers is important. I can't believe that more then 10% of the people think that moletrap is a good caster. He is decent, yes, but not someone that should cast the OSL (I mean, we are talking about the motherfucking OSL!!!!!). I am a huge fan of the GSL, and I remember skipping every single game that was casted by moletrap. I would open the stream, hear his voice and close the stream immediately. Look me in the eyes and tell me that moletrap is on the same level as artosis, tasteless, dapollo, incontrol, day9... I know totalbiscuit gets a lot of bad comments, but I think he is much better then moletrap.
I like moletrap as a person tough. He seems to be a very good guy. But is he made for casting? I don't think so. This made me think about a quote from Einstein: "Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid". I think moletrap just shouldn't try to climb the casters tree.
On the other hand there is Grubby, an awesome caster, a caster I can watch endless hours. I actually think that Grubby is as good as tastosis, day9 and dapollo. He got a pleasant voice, he masters the english language so well, he has a sick amount game-knowledge, and he is a great and smart analyst.
Don't really understand why moletrap gets so much hate. I prefer him over DOA and media trained^He day[9], his first 200 daylies were soooooo much better. Grubby would be extremely nice though. He's got both the personality and serious skill. Could be trouble finding someone to pair him up with that would match well. If I was all powerfull I would put him with Mr.Bitter or InControl.
Ps. Sucks that esports casters are trying to look and act like soccer commentators. Be your fukin self PLZZZZZZ
On August 30 2012 02:23 doffe wrote: I wish people would finally stop using these types of arguments. We as viewers are perfectly entitled to critic casters. We do not exist for them to use as practice audience, they exist to entertain us and are we not entertained then they should not keep their job. Moletrap as far as I can tell is not entertaining the majority and alot of people chose not to watch because of him as a caster.
The silent minority is who hates him. Saying that most people aren't entertained is stupid and baseless. A couple hundred loudmouthed TLers is not a majority.
As far as I can tell. I have to base it on something and if everyone who likes him keeps quiet on the forums I read then thats an unfortunate coincidence but still remains true. Out of all the comments ive seen sub 10% has been moletrap friendly. What conclusion should I draw? Im not saying its THE TRUTH, im saying thats what it looks like. If people really like him they should start defending him instead of keeping quiet.
This thread (as an example) is over 40% Moletrap friendly.
and the comments below every gomtv VOD ive read that he has casted has been completly anti moletrap. I do not know why we are discussing this anyways, that was not the point, if it makes you feel better thinking that moletrap is generally approved as a caster by the community do so. Hes most certinly a very nice person and all and I dont wish him bad things I just dont want to watch things he casts in SC2.. But ive besides kelly milkies ive seen no caster getting so much hatred as moletrap and certinly that says something? We can argue % here and there but it doesnt matter, none of us knows anything for a fact.
Im leaving this now, I was only tired seeing someone yet again whining about casters getting bashed, if people dont like them it should be perfectly fine to say so.
Look at the title of this thread. Look at what you're posting.
Can't you at least keep this shit in the right place?
Are you stupid or what is your problem? I responded on a post in this thread that was about the way people critic casters and wether or not it should be done. I was in no way intending to start a discussion about moletraps be or not to be. You are the one who started that part of the discussion by claiming my "information" (that I never ever said was anything but personal experience). was false. Then after keeping that topic alive you whine on me for doing so? Get a grip.
No, you're stupid.
This Grubby thread is >50% Moletrap talk.
I didn't bring up Moletrap in this thread, you did, and every second user seems to. Go make a "Moletrap sucks" thread, it's how forums work.
On August 30 2012 16:19 Azurues wrote: a good reason for Grubby to stay in Korea for some practice
hopefully this will not slow down his progress. I love his casting so much though just as his play
He's there to cast firstmost, so the idea of getting a lot of practice in. Very unlikely. I mean there are a few guys who do it when they aren't casting depending on their schedule or workload.
Apollo got a lot better from playing a lot, but I have reason to believe Grubby won't have as much time to practice.
I don't really see him getting enough off-time to do it.
On August 31 2012 02:05 giesecke wrote: grubby is a good pick. i would have chosen tod, since he is more entertaining
imagine a Grubby, Tod and Rotterdam cast I really hope Grubby intends to train there as his main focus, and does his two casts per week and not more, if so this is really awesome news!
Grubby could end up being an awesome caster, his stream is definitely a personal favorite so I have high hopes for this. Should be cool. I'll be interested to see how good his non-protoss game-sense is.
If Moletrap focusses 100% on play by play and let Grubby do all the analyses, then it should be quite ok, as long as he listens to what Grubby says and not ignore/interrupt him too often.
Never understood the hate against Moletrap, I've been following him since the BW days and think he does a great job. Looking forward to this new combo.
On August 31 2012 06:39 Zandar wrote: If Moletrap focusses 100% on play by play and let Grubby do all the analyses, then it should be quite ok, as long as he listens to what Grubby says and not ignore/interrupt him too often.
This has probably been my main gripe with moletrap's casting. I personally have no problem with his voice, but the fact that its so powerful that it overpowers his co-casters so much of the time.
Grubby's personality on stream is just so very professional and very entertaining at the same time. With his analysis I always gain a bunch of new insight into the game, and he always makes things interesting by bringing up interesting facts and making good use of the English language. Without a doubt, it would be fantastic if Grubby decides to follow in this direction. I just hope that he will still be able to participate in events whilst being so busy as a caster.
On August 31 2012 06:45 uminori wrote: Never understood the hate against Moletrap, I've been following him since the BW days and think he does a great job. Looking forward to this new combo.
I rarely watch casts nowadays, and therefore also a lot less often hear Moletrap commmentating. Albeit, I should say that neither does he give me a reason to hate against him. He is not the best caster out there, for sure, but he is not so bad as many viewers think. Maybe they are just put off by his oft skewered analyses of situations in matchups, I am not certain.
I've enjoyed grubby as a caster before. In my opinion, players (and former players) that are easy-going have an immediate advantage over many casters who devolve into shouting at the engagements. Honestly, I'll probably check out OSL again just to see him.
On August 29 2012 03:31 Lorch wrote: I just hope casting 2+ days a week won't slow him down as he has really established himself as one of the foreigners who can take maps/series of koreans. But living in korea should only benefit his practice anyways. So as long as he doesn't go full time caster I'd love to see him at ogn.
Grubby becomes to the financial mastermind of e-Sports
On September 01 2012 12:16 AUFKLARUNG wrote: Yes Grubby.
OSL is a new tournament?
It's an old tournament - the most prestigious BW individual league running for over a decade. It's shifting to SC2 and the qualifiers/first rounds have been played.
On August 30 2012 09:05 Goldfish wrote: I said this before in another thread but interesting fact - Moletrap rarely interrupted anyone (if he did, he asked first if it was okay) and was more knowledgeable in BW than in SC2.
Now, some may not like Moletrap even in BW but the majority liked him and was at least fine with him (better in co casts because he did well).
I guess Moletrap isn't as interested in SC2 as in BW which is a bit disappointing. I want Moletrap to succeed. I do hope he tries to get into SC2 more to become a better caster.
He has the potential as seen in BW (and he did fine in BW).
Maybe one reason is that all of Moletrap's old co casters from BW are gone, so he's in new territory with new people (maybe uncomfortable for him). Though, I don't really know. I do wish things go well for him in the future and that he can improve so that we can see BW Moletrap except in SC2 (maybe more better too).
(Also Moletrap's thought on Jaedong given the win at around 24 minutes and 30 seconds. Basically he understands and makes the point it would have been unfair to Jaedong too if they did a rematch [in any case, it's a lose lose all around as it's hard to make the right calls].)
As you can see in the video (they start talking about the game instead of the players a minute in), Moletrap is much better in BW than in SC2 (especially with co casting).
Again, I hope somehow the old BW Moletrap returns (someone get Moletrap and Tasteless together so they can restore their passion!!!11).
Agreed, he (and a few others) were the one who got me into BW back in 2008. In fact I distinctly remember making a youtube account in order to subscribe to him. I don't think people appreciate just how much Moletrap has done for the community. Yeah, ok I must agree in SC2 his casting is not up to par with many of the people we have today but please give him a chance, who knows.
Yes please grubby! and fire the clown moletrap he is THE WORST caster EVER... if tl want to warn me or ban me FIRST think of this moment.. GSL Moletrap and Wolf casting: Moletrap says "PYLONS DONT GIVE VISION SO HE WONT BE ABLE TO 4 GATE UNTILL HE BRINGS A UNIT TO WARP IN"..............Wolf says "YEA I THINK THATS ACCURATE" i will NEVER forget that moment, then and there was when i KNEW that this guy didnt even play the game, WHY THE FK was he casting THE MOST competitive league out there? When moletrap left and wrote on TL, i SINCERELY thanked him for leaving and wished him the best at OTHER games/careers he wanted to choose, just not one like starcraft which requiers ACTUAL KNOWLEGE of the game. He left to League Of Legends, i didnt care, he couldve been good there, the game requiers no actual skill more teamwork. Now he has the NERVE of showing up to cast LEGENDS playing with NEW LEGENDS starcraft2? I have never been this upset in my entire life, this guy, should be FIRED and BANNED from Starcraft# FOR LIFE, i never wished for anyone to get hurt or sick in my life, but now... MOLETRAP i HOPE you read this, LEAVE STARCRAFT 2 and DONT FKING COME BACK. -.-; I know im not the only one who thinks this way.
PS: for the noobs who think im being prejudice over Tastosis, im not. I was completely neutral untill i heard that. Worst part is, that isnt even all he said, there are maaaaaaaany more examples that just kill me everytime i remember them...
On September 02 2012 20:25 Diabulus wrote: Yes please grubby! and fire the clown moletrap he is THE WORST caster EVER... if tl want to warn me or ban me FIRST think of this moment.. GSL Moletrap and Wolf casting: Moletrap says "PYLONS DONT GIVE VISION SO HE WONT BE ABLE TO 4 GATE UNTILL HE BRINGS A UNIT TO WARP IN"..............Wolf says "YEA I THINK THATS ACCURATE" i will NEVER forget that moment, then and there was when i KNEW that this guy didnt even play the game, WHY THE FK was he casting THE MOST competitive league out there? When moletrap left and wrote on TL, i SINCERELY thanked him for leaving and wished him the best at OTHER games/careers he wanted to choose, just not one like starcraft which requiers ACTUAL KNOWLEGE of the game. He left to League Of Legends, i didnt care, he couldve been good there, the game requiers no actual skill more teamwork. Now he has the NERVE of showing up to cast LEGENDS playing with NEW LEGENDS starcraft2? I have never been this upset in my entire life, this guy, should be FIRED and BANNED from Starcraft# FOR LIFE, i never wished for anyone to get hurt or sick in my life, but now... MOLETRAP i HOPE you read this, LEAVE STARCRAFT 2 and DONT FKING COME BACK. -.-; I know im not the only one who thinks this way.
PS: for the noobs who think im being prejudice over Tastosis, im not. I was completely neutral untill i heard that. Worst part is, that isnt even all he said, there are maaaaaaaany more examples that just kill me everytime i remember them...
Fuck me sideways, that guy has to chill out...
Everybode makes mistakes, it just seems that Moletrap gets more shit for it than anyone else...
On September 02 2012 20:25 Diabulus wrote: Yes please grubby! and fire the clown moletrap he is THE WORST caster EVER... if tl want to warn me or ban me FIRST think of this moment.. GSL Moletrap and Wolf casting: Moletrap says "PYLONS DONT GIVE VISION SO HE WONT BE ABLE TO 4 GATE UNTILL HE BRINGS A UNIT TO WARP IN"..............Wolf says "YEA I THINK THATS ACCURATE" i will NEVER forget that moment, then and there was when i KNEW that this guy didnt even play the game, WHY THE FK was he casting THE MOST competitive league out there? When moletrap left and wrote on TL, i SINCERELY thanked him for leaving and wished him the best at OTHER games/careers he wanted to choose, just not one like starcraft which requiers ACTUAL KNOWLEGE of the game. He left to League Of Legends, i didnt care, he couldve been good there, the game requiers no actual skill more teamwork. Now he has the NERVE of showing up to cast LEGENDS playing with NEW LEGENDS starcraft2? I have never been this upset in my entire life, this guy, should be FIRED and BANNED from Starcraft# FOR LIFE, i never wished for anyone to get hurt or sick in my life, but now... MOLETRAP i HOPE you read this, LEAVE STARCRAFT 2 and DONT FKING COME BACK. -.-; I know im not the only one who thinks this way.
PS: for the noobs who think im being prejudice over Tastosis, im not. I was completely neutral untill i heard that. Worst part is, that isnt even all he said, there are maaaaaaaany more examples that just kill me everytime i remember them...
You could give constructive feedback instead of going all out on someone. Personal taste plays a big role in these things. I am sad to see that many posters in this thread write spiteful things in an emotional outrage. Thing is, if you post like this the majority won't take you serious and it will further downgrade the atmosphere of these threads. You can do better next time!
Let's see how the Grubby/Moletrap combination works, I am really curious about that.
Didn't really see why everyone was shitting on Moletrap during the casts, it's incredibly difficult to solo cast a tournament of that magnitude. You have no one to fall back on for filler and so it makes you a bit more anxious about what you're actually saying because the entire audience is focused solely on you. I loved the Moletrap + Doa combo at GSL and I think any commentator would be great to accompany Moletrap. The fact it's Grubby just makes it overall more awesome in so many ways ;D
I never understood the hatred towards Moletrap. Even my buddies in ts don't like him, but can't give any sound reason for it. I heard the most ridiculous mistakes by every caster. That includes Tasteless and Artosis, and isn't meant negative at all, it's just the way life is, ppl make mistakes. Artosis and Tasteless just don't get criticized that harsh. Other casters like Wolf and Khaldor were also getting picked on a lot, but for Moletrap i really felt bad. He stopped casting SC2 because of it... And i never thought he was doing really bad, or much worse than others.
Another thing you might want to consider is, that these people aren't in it for the money primarily. They love the game, and Moletrap in particular invested a lot of time into casting when he surely didn't make a living of it. These guys are not born into showbiz and really do care for their viewers and fans opinion. And therefore they are vulnerable to such stupid accusations, as were posted here. Thinking about it, i think the only reason people are so rude, is because they know the casters care, and that they can hurt them. No one does it to Tasteless anymore, because they know that Tasteless will talk on air, about how little self-esteem, skill, maturity, etc. this person has. Unfortunately Moletrap isn't that kind of person. It's the psychology of the classroom: always kick the little guys. If they show any weakness everyone will jump on the bandwagon, to feel good about their miserable existence.
On September 02 2012 20:25 Diabulus wrote: GSL Moletrap and Wolf casting: Moletrap says "PYLONS DONT GIVE VISION SO HE WONT BE ABLE TO 4 GATE UNTILL HE BRINGS A UNIT TO WARP IN"
You sure he wasn't talking about high ground warp ins?
Also, he knows BW well. He probably knows Pylon does give vision (as in BW, they did), so either it was a sort of mistake due from pressure casting or he was talking about high ground warp ins.
On September 02 2012 20:25 Diabulus wrote: GSL Moletrap and Wolf casting: Moletrap says "PYLONS DONT GIVE VISION SO HE WONT BE ABLE TO 4 GATE UNTILL HE BRINGS A UNIT TO WARP IN"
You sure he wasn't talking about high ground warp ins?
Also, he knows BW well. He probably knows Pylon does give vision (as in BW, they did), so either it was a sort of mistake due from pressure casting or he was talking about high ground warp ins.
He actually talked about high ground vision... Ignore that guy, haters gonna hate.
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i guess i want grubby to continue playing because that's his passion, but i also would like to see him cast a bit more when convenient~
if only i could understand it.
