EPTDoa/Moletrap To Cast OSL - Page 13
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On August 28 2012 07:18 oOOoOphidian wrote: I assume Moletrap will be solo casting (maybe they'll get Torch to support him?), but it sounds like Doa may be out there soon anyway after his recovery. The games will be so good even if you don't like the casting it is worth watching. The fanboys out here are disgusting. I'll quote someone here. "It's internet. Those people exist" | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:38 jimbob615 wrote: Just for the record I am one of the presumably silent majority that extremely dislikes several aspects of his casting You posted here, that means you don't belong to the silent majority, sorry  Moletrap wouldn't be the first choice for me but thats mostly because i think splitting him between SC2 and LoL is a bad idea and taking him away from a position he does well in (LoL caster) would be equally bad. Time for dApollo to move to Korea and for TLO to switch to full time caster so TheLittleApollo can cast everything in Korea :p | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:59 IPA wrote: Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls. Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not. We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap. Apollo and Artosis remain the crown jewels. Did he post it or did he say something on his stream? I'm curious to hear what ret had to say. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On August 28 2012 06:59 IPA wrote: Another reason to follow @liquidret.Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls. Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not. We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap. Apollo and Artosis remain the crown jewels. But ontopic: Pity doa can't be there. Last time heard moletrap cast sc2, i didn't really like it. But he might have changed, i might have changed. Why not give it a chance? In worst case: let's hope demuslim streams.. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On August 28 2012 07:24 Ysellian wrote: Did he post it or did he say something on his stream? I'm curious to hear what ret had to say. It came in three tweets: Jos de Kroon@LiquidRet I hate to be the one to bitch about this again but commentators missing all the nuances that make sc2 such a beautifull game.... It makes the game seem dull, boring, and random when commentators dont know whats going on and the spectactor just sees random battles if u count the amount of times that casters say someone is ahead and then gets crushed b/c they dont understand.. whats the viewer to think? | ||
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Danzo
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On August 28 2012 05:51 Chill wrote: This isn't how business works. And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other. For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership. I usually do have that feeling that the minority of the people can make it seem like they are the majority when it comes to thread posting and such. For example, Husky would get a lot of flak but you just get that feeling he has way more followers than haters. But with Moletrap, I'm not convinced this is the case. What if someone was really unpopular, any hordes of people complaining can't really mean the opposite all the time. But even if he was "good", I'm more worried about his game knowledge because people are so used to Artosis casting GSL, the other Korean league with some of the best players. There's some sort of expectations since it's going to be a "premier" league of starcraft. Moletrap and doa casted GSL before but it was code A, so I think it was ok-ish. If people are overestimating how many extra viewers a tournament gets when one chooses one commentator over the other, then why don't most leagues cast cheaper and less known casters for their tournaments? If them choosing Moletrap because of visas and having to convince someone else to move to Korea, then so be it. But I think there would be some takers that would bite on the opportunity to; they might be unknown but they would probably love the chance to break through. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Goldfish
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*Also a joke before anyone says anything... or has Tasteless really lost his passion!!!? Or is Tasteless secretly practicing to be the next zerg bonjwa? Someone should get Artosis or Wolf to help Moletrap out. Edit - Also an interesting thing to note is Moletrap (when co casting with Diggity, Klazart, or even the other BW players) rarely interrupted them (when he did, he said sorry). (There is a video on youtube somewhere, it's one of the games has co casted in but I forgot which one. I'll try to look for it sometime later.) I really do find it odd. I blame SC2 Protoss death balls for this. | ||
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IamNatural
64 Posts
What is next, moletrap and totalbiscuit? | ||
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qtiehunter
1088 Posts
On August 28 2012 10:26 IamNatural wrote: What is next, moletrap and totalbiscuit? Oh god, what did you just do. | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
You could argue like Chill that the majority of people really like Moletrap and think his casting is great and that the criticism is a vocal minority. I don't think that's the case with Moletrap. The vocal minority in this case are the people who really enjoy his casting. I hope in the future there are Korean streams available that are easier to connect to. The VLC one rarely connects and when it does sometimes it randomly kicks you off, and the auction one lags a lot. I mean, I was really disappointed with the OSL today. I had to watch my two favorite terrans right now play muted because I can't stand the have the action ruined by: "X player is winning!" "no wait, Y player is winning!" "oh, never mind, looks like player X is winning again!" "the game will probably be over soon since X player is at the advantage!" "these marauders are doing damage!" "Y player wins after a decisive engagement, GG!" It's the round of 16! To quote day9, what is that thing your mother or your girlfriend always asks you when she tries to feign interest in Starcraft? It's "hey, are you winning?" And you get angry every time she asks that because that's not how shit works in this game. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1599 Posts
LOL  Seriously though I don't get how they can continue working. Perhaps it is just luck that they cast in a country where most can't understand them fully. I really don't like how they cast. Missing the obvious all the time. Sure some casters miss somethings even Tastosis. Then the negativity, they don't point out plays in the right fashion. Instead of pointing out X did a great flank and stim on mutalisks they say "OMG that zerg is so terrible he just lost his mutas," when everyone can clearly see the mutas had no escape path. They routinely do a poor job, but I guess because there isn't anything pitchfork worthy, they'll keep casting, and I'll keep muting my streams. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On August 28 2012 09:14 Antisocialmunky wrote: I miss Diggity... I wish he'd cast OSL. *Hug* Diggity/Moletrap combo would be sick. | ||
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stjartrov
Sweden81 Posts
Grubby going into serious casting? | ||
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O Fortuna PLS
Germany17 Posts
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby. Grubby going into serious casting? Wow, that's really exciting to hear! I'd love it if they got Grubby to cast—he offers so much insight and personally I think he has an excellent voice as well. | ||
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