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On August 24 2012 06:01 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:45 hunts wrote:On August 24 2012 05:36 ez2boy wrote:On August 23 2012 23:26 nokz88 wrote:On August 23 2012 23:09 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 23 2012 23:06 nokz88 wrote:
Somehow, someway KeSPA gets more support and less flak in TeamLiquid, a foreign forum, than in Korea itself. Go figure.
It doesn't get shadier than this folks. Why are some of you defending this asshole move? What's the reaction in the Korean community about this? As of now: PlayXP(pro-Gom forums): First 15 posts about the issue - 14 negative / 1 neutral Fomos(pro-KeSPA forums): First 10 posts - 8 negative / 2 neutral Pgr: 7 posts - 6 negative / 1 positive Seems like in Korea even KeSPA fanboys recognize an asshole move when they see it. Please do the same will ya? Fomos is rather pro-BW Pretty much no one in korea ever likes kespa Also pgr21 has exploded with major uproar Wouldn't it be something if the korean esports fans throw a shitstorm similar to our reddit ones, where the major kespa companies start getting mass complaints and losing mass customers because of kespas shenanigans? I would cry tears of joy. Eddit: Not that shit storms are good, most of the ones and witch hunts have just been awful for the community, but something that hurts an organization like KESPA and shows them that they don't have the power, the people do, I think would be an amazing thing. The truth is, even foreign community throwing a shitstorm might do good. While their telecom companies might not care about foreign audience, a company like Samsung probably does.
Actually good idea. Is there anywhere I can get an email for samsung to let them know I will never buy anything with their brand on it because of KESPA?
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Am I the only one who feels that a fire sale is going to happen in the next year or two?
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On August 24 2012 04:29 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:21 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 03:48 Falling wrote: Does this affect how you watch the GSL at all? Yes it does. I hardly watch Korean SC2 these days and so if I do, it will definitely be to watch my KESPA favourites. In addition, I don't know if this is actually the case, but the OSL seems to play at more reasonable times for Pacific timezone than GOM. Back when it was scv-marine rushing all-ins, it was reasonable to watch it live, but now it ends like 5 or 6 in the morning. Can't work after several nights of that. Why don't you watch Korean SC2 anymore? It's kind of the best players and whatnot... There's VODs if you can't watch it live. I pretty much exclusively watch Korean players because they're better. I only have a few favorite foreigners that I watch for, but other than that, my true interest lies in the Korean scene. I'm interested to know how somebody could feel otherwise. I'll catch MLG on occasion as it is at a reasonable time, but for GOM you can only watch the first match for free on VODs. Or have they changed that? I just don't watch that much SC2 anymore. So if I am going to watch SC2, it will be for Bisu, Stork, Fantasy, Jangbi, etc. Oh you don't want to pay for vods from Gom. It's worth it for me, but I guess some people just aren't as into it.
Certainly not now. Maybe if I was really into it. But then, when I was really into it, I was watching it till 4 or 5 in the morning. Having to pay for vods was a hard pill to swallow after having free content during the GOM Classics.
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Don't know why people seem to have thought they'd be at this one or any in the near future. They're not ready to cross over an it just wont be occurring anytime soon like not even this year maybe mi way through the next at the soonest I can realistically see it happening but even then.
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On August 24 2012 06:06 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:03 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Lucky for you, OGN have always got their money from advertisements and sponsorships, creating sustainable leagues that are free to watch... This is correct. I never paid a penny to watch BW, and I got all the games live and VODs now are readily available soon after.
Pretty much this, lol@ all the people screaming boycott kespa and stuff, you literally can't and it won't make a difference because you already pay them nothing. There is nothing that will change this either, Kespa doesn't remotely need the foreign fanbase unlike GOM.
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Wow, a lot of stuff happened since I hit my bed last night. I updated the OP with most of the relevant information that I could find.
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On August 24 2012 06:24 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:06 jpak wrote:On August 24 2012 06:03 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Lucky for you, OGN have always got their money from advertisements and sponsorships, creating sustainable leagues that are free to watch... This is correct. I never paid a penny to watch BW, and I got all the games live and VODs now are readily available soon after. Pretty much this, lol@ all the people screaming boycott kespa and stuff, you literally can't and it won't make a difference because you already pay them nothing. There is nothing that will change this either, Kespa doesn't remotely need the foreign fanbase unlike GOM.
Why switch to SC2, a game less popular than BW in Korea, if you're not going to give a shit about the scene outside Korea?
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On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect.
Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV.
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On August 24 2012 06:23 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:29 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 04:21 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 03:48 Falling wrote: Does this affect how you watch the GSL at all? Yes it does. I hardly watch Korean SC2 these days and so if I do, it will definitely be to watch my KESPA favourites. In addition, I don't know if this is actually the case, but the OSL seems to play at more reasonable times for Pacific timezone than GOM. Back when it was scv-marine rushing all-ins, it was reasonable to watch it live, but now it ends like 5 or 6 in the morning. Can't work after several nights of that. Why don't you watch Korean SC2 anymore? It's kind of the best players and whatnot... There's VODs if you can't watch it live. I pretty much exclusively watch Korean players because they're better. I only have a few favorite foreigners that I watch for, but other than that, my true interest lies in the Korean scene. I'm interested to know how somebody could feel otherwise. I'll catch MLG on occasion as it is at a reasonable time, but for GOM you can only watch the first match for free on VODs. Or have they changed that? I just don't watch that much SC2 anymore. So if I am going to watch SC2, it will be for Bisu, Stork, Fantasy, Jangbi, etc. Oh you don't want to pay for vods from Gom. It's worth it for me, but I guess some people just aren't as into it. Certainly not now. Maybe if I was really into it. But then, when I was really into it, I was watching it till 4 or 5 in the morning. Having to pay for vods was a hard pill to swallow after having free content during the GOM Classics.
I for one would rather pay for the vods than completely changing my sleep schedule, but that's just me.
I will continue watching the GSL, with or without the BW players. If they want to play in the GSL i'd enjoy it but i won't watch the OSL nor any other kespa related stuff. There's enough content anyways.
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On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV.
Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again.
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On August 24 2012 06:26 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:24 Taku wrote:On August 24 2012 06:06 jpak wrote:On August 24 2012 06:03 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Lucky for you, OGN have always got their money from advertisements and sponsorships, creating sustainable leagues that are free to watch... This is correct. I never paid a penny to watch BW, and I got all the games live and VODs now are readily available soon after. Pretty much this, lol@ all the people screaming boycott kespa and stuff, you literally can't and it won't make a difference because you already pay them nothing. There is nothing that will change this either, Kespa doesn't remotely need the foreign fanbase unlike GOM. Why switch to SC2, a game less popular than BW in Korea, if you're not going to give a shit about the scene outside Korea?
I think Kespa is trying to lean more towards introducing and fostering the growth of SC2 in Korea, where GOM has lacked progress.
Well kespa's failing at that too, as evidenced by the viewership of the current PL. However, this could be interpreted as just growing pains.
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On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again.
The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2.
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On August 24 2012 06:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:23 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 04:29 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 04:21 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 03:48 Falling wrote: Does this affect how you watch the GSL at all? Yes it does. I hardly watch Korean SC2 these days and so if I do, it will definitely be to watch my KESPA favourites. In addition, I don't know if this is actually the case, but the OSL seems to play at more reasonable times for Pacific timezone than GOM. Back when it was scv-marine rushing all-ins, it was reasonable to watch it live, but now it ends like 5 or 6 in the morning. Can't work after several nights of that. Why don't you watch Korean SC2 anymore? It's kind of the best players and whatnot... There's VODs if you can't watch it live. I pretty much exclusively watch Korean players because they're better. I only have a few favorite foreigners that I watch for, but other than that, my true interest lies in the Korean scene. I'm interested to know how somebody could feel otherwise. I'll catch MLG on occasion as it is at a reasonable time, but for GOM you can only watch the first match for free on VODs. Or have they changed that? I just don't watch that much SC2 anymore. So if I am going to watch SC2, it will be for Bisu, Stork, Fantasy, Jangbi, etc. Oh you don't want to pay for vods from Gom. It's worth it for me, but I guess some people just aren't as into it. Certainly not now. Maybe if I was really into it. But then, when I was really into it, I was watching it till 4 or 5 in the morning. Having to pay for vods was a hard pill to swallow after having free content during the GOM Classics. I for one would rather pay for the vods than completely changing my sleep schedule, but that's just me. I will continue watching the GSL, with or without the BW players. If they want to play in the GSL i'd enjoy it but i won't watch the OSL nor any other kespa related stuff. There's enough content anyways.
100% agree. I have always paid for GSL VODs and will continue to do so. I have enough late nights helping my girlfriends band and I am not getting up a 5 AM just to watch SC2 when I could watch it in high quality for a few extra dollars.
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On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2.
Yes, I just found this too..
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012
I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM.
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On August 24 2012 06:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:23 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 04:29 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 04:21 Falling wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 24 2012 03:48 Falling wrote: Does this affect how you watch the GSL at all? Yes it does. I hardly watch Korean SC2 these days and so if I do, it will definitely be to watch my KESPA favourites. In addition, I don't know if this is actually the case, but the OSL seems to play at more reasonable times for Pacific timezone than GOM. Back when it was scv-marine rushing all-ins, it was reasonable to watch it live, but now it ends like 5 or 6 in the morning. Can't work after several nights of that. Why don't you watch Korean SC2 anymore? It's kind of the best players and whatnot... There's VODs if you can't watch it live. I pretty much exclusively watch Korean players because they're better. I only have a few favorite foreigners that I watch for, but other than that, my true interest lies in the Korean scene. I'm interested to know how somebody could feel otherwise. I'll catch MLG on occasion as it is at a reasonable time, but for GOM you can only watch the first match for free on VODs. Or have they changed that? I just don't watch that much SC2 anymore. So if I am going to watch SC2, it will be for Bisu, Stork, Fantasy, Jangbi, etc. Oh you don't want to pay for vods from Gom. It's worth it for me, but I guess some people just aren't as into it. Certainly not now. Maybe if I was really into it. But then, when I was really into it, I was watching it till 4 or 5 in the morning. Having to pay for vods was a hard pill to swallow after having free content during the GOM Classics. I for one would rather pay for the vods than completely changing my sleep schedule, but that's just me. I will continue watching the GSL, with or without the BW players. If they want to play in the GSL i'd enjoy it but i won't watch the OSL nor any other kespa related stuff. There's enough content anyways.
Personally I preferred being able to wake up in the morning and watch all the VODs in full quality of the previous night's matches for free but that's just me.
On August 24 2012 06:32 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:26 Ribbon wrote:On August 24 2012 06:24 Taku wrote:On August 24 2012 06:06 jpak wrote:On August 24 2012 06:03 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Lucky for you, OGN have always got their money from advertisements and sponsorships, creating sustainable leagues that are free to watch... This is correct. I never paid a penny to watch BW, and I got all the games live and VODs now are readily available soon after. Pretty much this, lol@ all the people screaming boycott kespa and stuff, you literally can't and it won't make a difference because you already pay them nothing. There is nothing that will change this either, Kespa doesn't remotely need the foreign fanbase unlike GOM. Why switch to SC2, a game less popular than BW in Korea, if you're not going to give a shit about the scene outside Korea? I think Kespa is trying to lean more towards introducing and fostering the growth of SC2 in Korea, where GOM has lacked progress. Well kespa's failing at that too, as evidenced by the viewership of the current PL. However, this could be interpreted as just growing pains.
I stopped watching PL because the whole switchover thing left a bitter taste in my mouth, moved on to different games and such now. I wonder if this is becoming the norm as well
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On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again.
How did they get the rights to SC2? They created SC2, its their game, they build it from the ground up. KeSPA has their approval and has worked out a deal with Blizzard. It was announced months ago.
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On August 24 2012 06:06 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:03 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Lucky for you, OGN have always got their money from advertisements and sponsorships, creating sustainable leagues that are free to watch... This is correct. I never paid a penny to watch BW, and I got all the games live and VODs now are readily available soon after. You and others seem to think that OGN is going to provide free HD, VODs, English commentary, etc. forever. Not gonna happen. As soon as they figure out a way to monetize it they will, just like with LoL.
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On August 24 2012 06:22 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? KeSPA shut down the GOMTV Classic (a BW league with English casting) by pressuring teams to drop out. Blizzard then sued for control of the BW scene, basically. They wanted A. The Blizzard logo on stuff B. A license fee to have BW tournaments (this is the part that was controversial) C. To be able to audit KeSPA's finances.
No, getting the ability to audit was controversial too.
GOM, on the other hand, was doing their tournaments with Blizzard's endorsements, and making some efforts to expand the foreign BW scene with foreign BW tournaments and english casting. This is why Blizzard gave GOM the rights to SC2 originally: they were trying to grow "e-sports" while KeSPA was trying to shrink it.
GOM wasn't trying to grow anything when they entered BW, they were just competing for market share. It turns out having 4 regular leagues (plus potpourri like STX master's) was oversaturating. KeSPA players didn't need the extra league, it's a mistake to think you can grow esports without watering the seeds with your own talent.
Blizzard's own interest in the scene doesn't strike me as long-term. They partnered with GOM because they like control, and GOM could compete with KeSPA, who Blizzard has less control over.
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On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:14 Arkio wrote:
Blizzard IP lawsuit, what happened there? Blizzard backed the fuck down lol. Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit. Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv). They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM.
They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there.
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I haven't been this angry in some time about anything in Starcraft, certainly not enough to start a shitstorm like contacting sponsors.
Oh Kespa...why did I know that it was you who would evoke such feelings...
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