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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:33 ShadeR wrote: Are people seriously inferring that Blizzard can MAKE them play??? LOL I think people are saying that Blizz can make Kespa not stop them from playing. (Whether they actually play or not is next question). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:35 JustPassingBy wrote: So in laymen terms: "We know we promised to work together, and several of our players have expressed interest in participating in your league. But we now have our own plans so screw you. And no, you may not know what we planned yet." It's the same shit we've seen before with the GOM Classic. They don't want to stretch their players thin and they want more time for training. As Violet said before he passed away. It's all about the wins. They NEED to WIN. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:33 ShadeR wrote: Are people seriously inferring that Blizzard can MAKE them play??? LOL I think what they're saying is Blizzard can make them NOT play. At all. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:36 JustPassingBy wrote: The players want to play, all that needs to be done is "make" Kespa to allow the players to do what they want in this matter. Players follow the will of the team. The teams ARE KeSPA | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:31 supernovamaniac wrote: http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=92017 협회 측에서 그래텍에 통보한 이유는 "선수들의 일정 조정이 어려운 상황"이었다. 비시즌이라고는 하지만 포스트시즌 일정도 있고, 현재 협회에서 준비중인 거대 프로젝트로 인해 쉽사리 선수들의 출전을 결정지을 수 없었다는 것이다. "KeSPA told GOMTV: "It was difficult to adjust the player's schedules." Though the season will be over after this weekend, KeSPA needs to schedule Proleague post-season matches, along with the huge project that they are working on. Thus, they decided to not allow their players in participating this upcoming GSL" Well that sounds familiar. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:35 StarStruck wrote: Want to bet? You should read my edit before. Blizzard is relying on KeSPA. If they don't have KeSPA in Korea they'll get shunned and even if what you said were true SC2 would get even more buried because SC2 isn't the only title KeSPA has under it's library of games. so what if KesPA doesnt paly sC2? they still have gom and the entire rest of thre freaking world and since alot of the kroean feedback regarding this is negative theyve pretty much got Korea too | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:36 SarcasmMonster wrote: I think people are saying that Blizz can make Kespa not stop them from playing. (Whether they actually play or not is next question). KeSPA are the teams. -__- There is no player union. The player's don't have much of a say. When the GOM Classic was running alongside the MSL/OSL/PL players did complain about being tired and teams did eventually drop out. MSL is no longer around so OSL/PL should be no problem with the amount of games right? KeSPA's always ran things like this. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:27 MVTaylor wrote: @Salazarz On my phone so I can't quote, message too large and no scroll ability in reply box. The essence though is that it isn't kespa teams limiting themselves it's kespa denying players the right to enter to strengthen leagues they have more control over, all be it with some really awful reasoning given instead. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes that individual kespa players normally get to decide such things for themselves, and are suddenly being denied the right to do that. Whereas it's actually normal for the teams (and Kespa as the association of teams+broadcasters) to make such decisions, not the players. A Kespa team simply won't tell a player to go do whatever he wants and play in any league he wants. That's NEVER going to happen. In order for Kespa players to be able to play in the GSL, the team has to come to the players and say "ok, GSL is now in our schedule, here's the schedule by which we're going to work the next month" or something of the sort. I'm not saying that the Kespa's interests as a team association didn't play a role in the decision, but there are definitely more practical issues as well. The important thing to realize is that these players actually belong to the teams and the way they spend their time and what they spend it on is also organized by the teams. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:37 ShadeR wrote: Players follow the will of the team. The teams ARE KeSPA Maybe stuff like this is why Stork and Boxer wanted a player's union. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:24 floor exercise wrote: Because everyone is going crazy for Kespa players and no one gives a shit about Gom players. It's really that simple. There's nowhere that follows SC2 that isn't going crazy for Kespa players in the past few months. The only way a Gom player gets mentioned is if he loses to a Kespa player. So why would they just hand them out? They are in huge demand, a competitor simply says "okay same game give us your players" what would anyone say to that? Probably the dumbest post of the thread. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:39 Forikorder wrote: so what if KesPA doesnt paly sC2? they still have gom and the entire rest of thre freaking world and since alot of the kroean feedback regarding this is negative theyve pretty much got Korea too Nope. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:41 StarStruck wrote: KeSPA are the teams. -__- There is no player union. The player's don't have much of a say. When the GOM Classic was running alongside the MSL/OSL/PL players did complain about being tired and teams did eventually drop out. MSL is no longer around so OSL/PL should be no problem with the amount of games right? KeSPA's always ran things like this. Problem is that schedules are already set for this season. For next season of Proleague they can probably schedule it different so some ppl can do shit like MLG. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:41 StarStruck wrote: KeSPA are the teams. -__- There is no player union. The player's don't have much of a say. When the GOM Classic was running alongside the MSL/OSL/PL players did complain about being tired and teams did eventually drop out. MSL is no longer around so OSL/PL should be no problem with the amount of games right? KeSPA's always ran things like this. This is what's saddening that the players don't have a say nor do the team coaches. KeSPA still able to dictate when and where players are able to go despite signing agreements with GOM and Blizzard to unify and grow the Esports brand. | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
On August 23 2012 18:03 Noam wrote: KeSPA and OGN are not stupid, GOM is their competitor and they don't want to give them their greatest asset - the broodwar stars. I fear the day where OSL and GSL are on at the same time and I'll need to decide which one to watch. OSL will be free 720p (most likely?) with Moletrap & DoA and the best KeSPA and best GOM players. GSL will be free 240p with Tastosis and Wolfdor and the best GOM players. Not an easy decision. With Moletrap and DoA casting, I think it'll be much easier to choose GSL. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
isn't the feedback on korean forums generally negative atm? even on pro-BW sites | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote: Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. Blizzard is counting on KeSPA to give the game more exposure in Korea. Their options are limited whereas KeSPA. Well, they have plenty of options. Blisard can deny them the right to run any tournament. Kespa can still do whatever BS they want, just without any broadcasting and such, and hence, zero profits. On August 23 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote: they dont have to argue anything, if they press a button KeSPA cant paly SC2 thats a fact Not just that. Considering Korea is, supposed to take US IP pretty seriously, the entire idea that goverment institution can infringe copyright just like that, wwould do terrible damage to Korea`s international relations. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Unlike Gom, which just provides the tournament but does not control the teams or players, KeSPA owns the teams and the players and can make sweeping decisions for them, despite their wishes. Gom can say "We don't want this player or this team" in their tournament, but they can't say "This player will not be allowed to play in any tournament. Any tournament that lets this player into their bracket will never see MVP, DRG, MKP, Nestea, or MC in any of their tournaments ever." KeSPA, on the other hand, has that power because of how they are structured. Whether or not the PLAYERS feel they are ready, KeSPA's decision on it (for whatever reason, legitimate or not) effectively prevents any of their players from doing so. It also prevents Flash or Jaedong from trying to get into NASL, IEM, HSC, IPL, etc. MLG is the only authorised foreign event they can go to, and that is also subject to KeSPA's decisions regarding scheduling or "readiness" to compete. As far as GSL Season 4 goes, I wouldn't get too much up in arms. There are some reasons for making that decision. But going forward, it will be a little tougher to understand. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
People do go ape shit for guys like MC, DRG, MKP with all the exposure they receive and wins. At the last MLG with the KeSPA tournament people were pretty infatuated with the new kids on the block and when given the stage you could see a difference between your run of the mill Korean and them. They're performers. They understand that and likewise they give the crowd what they want. This is nothing really new to them either. Other than that yeah what floor said is really off the mark lol. | ||
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