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On August 15 2012 19:15 TeeTS wrote:
Well it's totally disappointing. Both MVP and MC have been known so far for great sportsmanship, but that's blowing it all away. Both got their seed ahead of players like Taeja and Byun (who were 11th and 12th in the GSL ranking) who would've loved to play in this tournament and would've shown a great performance for sure. It's totally unfair and selfish behavior and both players reputation has got a big knock for me.
I'm really disappointed in them and their teams...
lol, and they should just withdraw from a previous commitment to Gamescom to show their professionalism and sportsmanship? Don't think Taeja loved the tournament that much since he skipped the qualifiers to go to MLG Arena. So I suppose you are disappointed in TL as well...
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Well that is basically his story.
If anything you could say that "big sponsorship is killing esports" but that is borderline moronic.
MC and Mvp got themselves into this mess by not managing to win their round one match. Judging by the GOM statement they realized what situation they were in and did not put GOM on the spot and promptly notified them about the problem.
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On August 15 2012 19:19 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 19:15 TeeTS wrote:
Well it's totally disappointing. Both MVP and MC have been known so far for great sportsmanship, but that's blowing it all away. Both got their seed ahead of players like Taeja and Byun (who were 11th and 12th in the GSL ranking) who would've loved to play in this tournament and would've shown a great performance for sure. It's totally unfair and selfish behavior and both players reputation has got a big knock for me.
I'm really disappointed in them and their teams... lol, and they should just withdraw from a previous commitment to Gamescom to show their professionalism and sportsmanship? Don't think Taeja loved the tournament that much since he skipped the qualifiers to go to MLG Arena. So I suppose you are disappointed in TL as well...
If they have to go to gamescon, then they should reject the invite to WCS from the start. Where is the problem? And it's their manager's and coache's duty to keep an eye on their schedule. And if their commitment at Gamescon was planned long before, then they are at fault. This is not unlucky but a big failure from players/coach side.
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The only one at fault here is whoever made the decision to make WCS Korea into a mini GSL when it didn't have to be.
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On August 15 2012 19:24 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 19:19 vthree wrote:On August 15 2012 19:15 TeeTS wrote:
Well it's totally disappointing. Both MVP and MC have been known so far for great sportsmanship, but that's blowing it all away. Both got their seed ahead of players like Taeja and Byun (who were 11th and 12th in the GSL ranking) who would've loved to play in this tournament and would've shown a great performance for sure. It's totally unfair and selfish behavior and both players reputation has got a big knock for me.
I'm really disappointed in them and their teams... lol, and they should just withdraw from a previous commitment to Gamescom to show their professionalism and sportsmanship? Don't think Taeja loved the tournament that much since he skipped the qualifiers to go to MLG Arena. So I suppose you are disappointed in TL as well... If they have to go to gamescon, then they should reject the invite to WCS from the start. Where is the problem? And it's their manager's and coache's duty to keep an eye on their schedule. And if their commitment at Gamescon was planned long before, then they are at fault. This is not unlucky but a big failure from players/coach side.
Do you know the WCS schedule? They would have been fine if they won their first 2 matches. Obviously, that was their goal (so the schedule didn't have conflict). Things didn't work out and that got them in a scheduling conflict they couldn't work out. Players do this all time. Maybe they committed to MLG but since they got far into GSL, they cancel. It is not feasible to only commit to a month long tournament only if you can play on all possible dates.
And your reponse regarding Taeja?
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These things happen, looking forward to Gamescon.
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great news!
bad for the korean wcs qualifiers obviously, but awesome for iem and everybody attending it!
who would'a thought i'd be happy for mvp and min-chul to loose so that i can see him live^^
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This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP.
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On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP.
Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not.
The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once.
They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make.
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man that article title made it sound way worse than what was actually going on
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On August 15 2012 00:56 RUFinalBoss wrote:
hmm WCS korea is a total flop
WCS has been a total flop in general for the last couple of years. They are actually getting worse and worse with each year.
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On August 15 2012 19:30 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 19:24 TeeTS wrote:On August 15 2012 19:19 vthree wrote:On August 15 2012 19:15 TeeTS wrote:
Well it's totally disappointing. Both MVP and MC have been known so far for great sportsmanship, but that's blowing it all away. Both got their seed ahead of players like Taeja and Byun (who were 11th and 12th in the GSL ranking) who would've loved to play in this tournament and would've shown a great performance for sure. It's totally unfair and selfish behavior and both players reputation has got a big knock for me.
I'm really disappointed in them and their teams... lol, and they should just withdraw from a previous commitment to Gamescom to show their professionalism and sportsmanship? Don't think Taeja loved the tournament that much since he skipped the qualifiers to go to MLG Arena. So I suppose you are disappointed in TL as well... If they have to go to gamescon, then they should reject the invite to WCS from the start. Where is the problem? And it's their manager's and coache's duty to keep an eye on their schedule. And if their commitment at Gamescon was planned long before, then they are at fault. This is not unlucky but a big failure from players/coach side. Do you know the WCS schedule? They would have been fine if they won their first 2 matches. Obviously, that was their goal (so the schedule didn't have conflict). Things didn't work out and that got them in a scheduling conflict they couldn't work out. Players do this all time. Maybe they committed to MLG but since they got far into GSL, they cancel. It is not feasible to only commit to a month long tournament only if you can play on all possible dates. And your reponse regarding Taeja?
you don't get it, do you? There is a difference between leaving a tournament before the start and while it's ongoing. If Taeja decided to go for MLG and not try to qualify for WCS, then it's totally fine (though I was not aware of it, it doesn't change anything, just take Supernova instead of Taeja). If you enter a tournament you should be aware of it's schedule and not speculate on circumstances that might happen or not. the players who declined their MLG spots did it way in advance (or did it to unforseen circumstances as visa problems, which seem to happen sometimes), so I don't see any parallels to this case.
If the community is accepting this behavior it will cause damage to esports in the longrun for sure!
On August 15 2012 20:31 SkelA wrote:WCS has been a total flop in general for the last couple of years. They are actually getting worse and worse with each year.
Interesting since this is the first year WCS is held.... 
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Sad to see Mvp forfeit, so I hope he wins this IEM to compensate
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On August 15 2012 20:17 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP. Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not. The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once. They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make.
How is that acting entitled?
they owe the organisers of WCS Korea, they signed up knowing that if they lost the first round they would go down to the losers bracket and play X games on X days, it ruins the integrity of the tournament and therefore "esports" if players can just drop out suddenly from a tourney with no real consequences to themselves.
Their decision is theirs but that doesn't mean that they made the right one.
In any sports if you sign up for a tourney then you honor the contract, if you choose to drop out there should be consequences otherwise you build a culture within the sport where players have all the power and can do whatever the fuck they want and fans and tourneys and sponsors get jacked over because of it.
All I'm saying is that there should be consequences for this type of behaviour, if they want to quit a tourney then fine but there should be consequences to deter this becoming part of the sports culture as it undermines the integrity of the sport.
All your talk of pressure and MVP's injury etc add nothing to your argument and ignores the real issue at hand btw.
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On August 15 2012 20:36 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:17 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP. Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not. The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once. They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make. How is that acting entitled? they owe the organisers of WCS Korea, they signed up knowing that if they lost the first round they would go down to the losers bracket and play X games on X days, it ruins the integrity of the tournament and therefore "esports" if players can just drop out suddenly from a tourney with no real consequences to themselves. Their decision is theirs but that doesn't mean that they made the right one. In any sports if you sign up for a tourney then you honor the contract, if you choose to drop out there should be consequences otherwise you build a culture within the sport where players have all the power and can do whatever the fuck they want and fans and tourneys and sponsors get jacked over because of it. All I'm saying is that there should be consequences for this type of behaviour, if they want to quit a tourney then fine but there should be consequences to deter this becoming part of the sports culture as it undermines the integrity of the sport. All your talk of pressure and MVP's injury etc add nothing to your argument and ignores the real issue at hand btw.
There's no issue, seriously. They don't forfeit tournaments because they find forfeiting tournaments fun.
This is the first time I've ever seen Mvp or MC forfeit a tournament and people are getting all pissy like they've just ruined their image of professionalism or something ridiculous.
It was the first round of the losers bracket, it barely affects the tournament at all.
If Taeja or Byun wanted a spot they should have qualified or been top 10 GSL points, unfortunately Mvp cannot qualify 3 times for WCS Korea like he could for the Blizzard Cup last year and let a bunch of other people in.
Stop trying to make drama out of nothing, I hate what " esports " has done to this community.
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On August 15 2012 20:31 SkelA wrote:WCS has been a total flop in general for the last couple of years. They are actually getting worse and worse with each year.
Stop confusing WCS with WCG. This is the first WCS ever and it's far from a flop, the continental events and the global event will be really interesting to follow aswell after all these qualifiers.
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On August 15 2012 20:36 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:17 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP. Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not. The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once. They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make. How is that acting entitled? they owe the organisers of WCS Korea, they signed up knowing that if they lost the first round they would go down to the losers bracket and play X games on X days, it ruins the integrity of the tournament and therefore "esports" if players can just drop out suddenly from a tourney with no real consequences to themselves. Their decision is theirs but that doesn't mean that they made the right one. In any sports if you sign up for a tourney then you honor the contract, if you choose to drop out there should be consequences otherwise you build a culture within the sport where players have all the power and can do whatever the fuck they want and fans and tourneys and sponsors get jacked over because of it. All I'm saying is that there should be consequences for this type of behaviour, if they want to quit a tourney then fine but there should be consequences to deter this becoming part of the sports culture as it undermines the integrity of the sport. All your talk of pressure and MVP's injury etc add nothing to your argument and ignores the real issue at hand btw.
Players withdraw from events last minute all them time. Not just esports but sports in general...
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On August 15 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:36 mememolly wrote:On August 15 2012 20:17 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP. Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not. The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once. They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make. How is that acting entitled? they owe the organisers of WCS Korea, they signed up knowing that if they lost the first round they would go down to the losers bracket and play X games on X days, it ruins the integrity of the tournament and therefore "esports" if players can just drop out suddenly from a tourney with no real consequences to themselves. Their decision is theirs but that doesn't mean that they made the right one. In any sports if you sign up for a tourney then you honor the contract, if you choose to drop out there should be consequences otherwise you build a culture within the sport where players have all the power and can do whatever the fuck they want and fans and tourneys and sponsors get jacked over because of it. All I'm saying is that there should be consequences for this type of behaviour, if they want to quit a tourney then fine but there should be consequences to deter this becoming part of the sports culture as it undermines the integrity of the sport. All your talk of pressure and MVP's injury etc add nothing to your argument and ignores the real issue at hand btw. There's no issue, seriously. They don't forfeit tournaments because they find forfeiting tournaments fun. This is the first time I've ever seen Mvp or MC forfeit a tournament and people are getting all pissy like they've just ruined their image of professionalism or something ridiculous. It was the first round of the losers bracket, it barely affects the tournament at all. If Taeja or Byun wanted a spot they should have qualified or been top 10 GSL points, unfortunately Mvp cannot qualify 3 times for WCS Korea like he could for the Blizzard Cup last year and let a bunch of other people in. Stop trying to make drama out of nothing, I hate what " esports " has done to this community.
Well there is an issue otherwise people wouldn't be talking about it, if there is no issue then why are you contributing to a thread about a so-called non-issue?
I didn't say they did forfeit tournaments for fun so I don't know why you brought this up.
"getting all pissy" I'm just pointing out how this will happen in a sport where there are no real consequences to the players and how this might affect tourneys in the future, sponsors will be less likely to sponsor an event if players show that they can't honor contracts/sign ups.
It doesn't matter if it is the first or last round, you honor what you signed up for, this counts in all aspects of life (obviously unless you have legitimate reason to not, such as injury).
How is having an opinion that differs from yours "making drama"? If you don't like the opinion then point out why it is wrong don't just use ad-hominem tactics and label me as some "esports drama maker" or something.
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On August 15 2012 20:46 Vond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:31 SkelA wrote:On August 15 2012 00:56 RUFinalBoss wrote:
hmm WCS korea is a total flop WCS has been a total flop in general for the last couple of years. They are actually getting worse and worse with each year. Stop confusing WCS with WCG. This is the first WCS ever and it's far from a flop, the continental events and the global event will be really interesting to follow aswell after all these qualifiers.
Oops sorry... Yea you are right I was thinking of the WCG and I have no idea what is this new event WCS.
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