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On August 15 2012 20:55 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On August 15 2012 20:36 mememolly wrote:On August 15 2012 20:17 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 15 2012 20:04 mememolly wrote:
This is what happens when there are no consequences for players failing to attend tourneys or not sticking to a tourneys scheduling, if they entered WCS then they should honor that entry and play the games, players shouldn't be allowed to just pick and choose when they can leave a tourney as it undermines the tourney and sport as a whole and is an insult to the fans who watch it, imagine if you bought tickets or bought the pass because MC and MVP were playing and you knew that you would see them in losers bracket if they did lose and now after the fact they can just leave with no real consequences brought to them, any mainstream sport wouldn't allow this sort of thing unless a player was pulling out because of injury.
A similar thing happened with a recent gigabyte invitational, a lot of people watched day 1 and then day 2 came along and some players didn't turn up, no consequences but the fans who watched day 1 with the intention of watching day2 were fucked over as if they had known that there was no day2 then they might not have watched day1 to begin with.
Not to mention the other players who got jacked out of their spots as they were taken up by MC and MVP. Stop acting as if you are entitled, you are not. The players are pressured as the two best players in the world, to attend as many tournaments, play as many matches and win as much as possible. Your attitude is extremely disrespectful, take MVP as an example, even with his injury he is being forced to play certain tournaments and matches with no regard to his health. MC is someone who even top casters are amazed at; he is in nearly every major tournament for sponsors and fans, they are not God, they can't be everywhere at once. They owe you nothing, and the decision is wholey theirs to make. How is that acting entitled? they owe the organisers of WCS Korea, they signed up knowing that if they lost the first round they would go down to the losers bracket and play X games on X days, it ruins the integrity of the tournament and therefore "esports" if players can just drop out suddenly from a tourney with no real consequences to themselves. Their decision is theirs but that doesn't mean that they made the right one. In any sports if you sign up for a tourney then you honor the contract, if you choose to drop out there should be consequences otherwise you build a culture within the sport where players have all the power and can do whatever the fuck they want and fans and tourneys and sponsors get jacked over because of it. All I'm saying is that there should be consequences for this type of behaviour, if they want to quit a tourney then fine but there should be consequences to deter this becoming part of the sports culture as it undermines the integrity of the sport. All your talk of pressure and MVP's injury etc add nothing to your argument and ignores the real issue at hand btw. There's no issue, seriously. They don't forfeit tournaments because they find forfeiting tournaments fun. This is the first time I've ever seen Mvp or MC forfeit a tournament and people are getting all pissy like they've just ruined their image of professionalism or something ridiculous. It was the first round of the losers bracket, it barely affects the tournament at all. If Taeja or Byun wanted a spot they should have qualified or been top 10 GSL points, unfortunately Mvp cannot qualify 3 times for WCS Korea like he could for the Blizzard Cup last year and let a bunch of other people in. Stop trying to make drama out of nothing, I hate what " esports " has done to this community. Well there is an issue otherwise people wouldn't be talking about it, if there is no issue then why are you contributing to a thread about a so-called non-issue? I didn't say they did forfeit tournaments for fun so I don't know why you brought this up. "getting all pissy" I'm just pointing out how this will happen in a sport where there are no real consequences to the players and how this might affect tourneys in the future, sponsors will be less likely to sponsor an event if players show that they can't honor contracts/sign ups. It doesn't matter if it is the first or last round, you honor what you signed up for, this counts in all aspects of life (obviously unless you have legitimate reason to not, such as injury). How is having an opinion that differs from yours "making drama"? If you don't like the opinion then point out why it is wrong don't just use ad-hominem tactics and label me as some "esports drama maker" or something.
And MVP did the right thing but honoring his contract/sign up with gamescon/IEM. And none of us knows how they communicated with GOM. It is quite possible that when GOM released the schedule, IM already told them about the possible conflict if MVP got knocked down into the LB and GOM was ok with them trying to play and get through the WB.
All we know is that they forfeited because of scheduling conflict. Not sure why some people are calling MVP unprofessional and such without any more info. I mean if GOM came out and said that MVP committed to play in the LB and pulled out last minute, then, I would understand.
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me. WCS feels kind of lacklustre anyways. More like a bunch of exhibition matches than an actual tournament.
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On August 15 2012 00:56 RUFinalBoss wrote:
hmm WCS korea is a total flop
Nothing more to say here. Makes me sad, should have been the best WCS of all 
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I don't understand this. At all. The winner at IEM only gets $6.5k. If we assume they will get top 8 every time and from there have a 20-25% chance of winning it all it will leave them with an equity of around $3-4k (which is a big overestimation, in reality it's lower with variance etc).
Sure, they were in LB R1 but WCS has a sick prize pool if you combine Korea, Asia and World championship tournaments. It makes no sense economically for them if they don't get paid for attending IEM other than trip and expenses (on top of the prize money).
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On August 15 2012 22:03 Sorkoas wrote:
I don't understand this. At all. The winner at IEM only gets $6.5k. If we assume they will get top 8 every time and from there have a 20-25% chance of winning it all it will leave them with an equity of around $3-4k (which is a big overestimation, in reality it's lower with variance etc).
Sure, they were in LB R1 but WCS has a sick prize pool if you combine Korea, Asia and World championship tournaments. It makes no sense economically for them if they don't get paid for attending IEM other than trip and expenses (on top of the prize money).
It was never about the money. LGIM had sponsor commitment at gamescon and MC probably as well since SK is an Euro team. Their commitment was likely before the Exact WCS schedule was out. And if they were in the WB, they could have done it, but since they got knocked down to LB, they had a conflict and thus forfeited.
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Lol @ people who care about this. Honestly find something worthwhile to post about. Or better yet go play Starcraft. No one cares that two players forfeited their LR1 spots in one tourney. This bound to happen at least once a year with all the different tourneys going on around the world.
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On August 15 2012 00:56 RUFinalBoss wrote:
hmm WCS korea is a total flop
#useless comment
they was in "LOOSER" bracket and have other tournaments, its not like winner bracket semi forfeit,
they just not see their chances high enough
On August 15 2012 21:34 thegreatpiata wrote:
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. WCS feels kind of lacklustre anyways. More like a bunch of exhibition matches than an actual tournament.
well wcs is the best format ever done for sc2 and i hope they continue, perhaps justr korea have worst quali
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forfeiting a LB r1 match seems pretty reasonable from the money and PR perspective. its too risky to play the whole LB, there are so many good players there, whilst the chance of getting some price money at IEM is reasonable high. sure there is more money in the wcs, but the chance of losing a bo3 in LB is not neglectable.
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On August 15 2012 20:31 SkelA wrote:WCS has been a total flop in general for the last couple of years. They are actually getting worse and worse with each year.
Quite surprising considering that this is the FIRST year where we have a World Championship Series sponsored by Blizzard.
I assume you are talking about WCG?
On topic: Sad to see, but there is no one at fault here. They knew they would have to play IEM at Gamescon, but the WCS schedule doesn't really have any leeway in it either. I wish they could play in both, but frankly conflicts like this have to happen. No one can play every single tournament, there simply isn't enough time.
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Let's face it the Korean WCS just didn't have the same caliber of players as GSL. A bunch of amateurs made it to the later rounds, along with new Kespa players. And the format itself just doesn't lend itself to people caring about it.
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I am kinda tired of seeing the same people in the finals of every tourny, I wanna see new people!
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On August 15 2012 00:56 RUFinalBoss wrote:
hmm WCS korea is a total flop
Lol, some guys really love using big words.
OnT:This is unfortunate. The big names in korean SC2 scene is dropping out of a very prestigeus tournament when the some of the BW pros are in an all eyes are on this tournament. Hope this doesn't affect the view koreans have on SC2 in a negative way.
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that's some nice elephant dodging.
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I was hoping to see IMMVP in WCS games . Oh well, I cant wait to see them perform at Gamesconn  .
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On August 15 2012 21:55 Pimpmuckl wrote:Nothing more to say here. Makes me sad, should have been the best WCS of all
I don't see how it is a flop tbh. We saw some amazing games so i don't see how you can call it a flop.
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On August 15 2012 23:49 orbs wrote:
that's some nice elephant dodging.
If the elephants are so good they should get into GSL...
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On August 16 2012 00:05 Darkthorn wrote:If the elephants are so good they should get into GSL...
Yea, they should. I hear they run open qualifiers for that every 2 months or so?
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On August 16 2012 00:05 Darkthorn wrote:If the elephants are so good they should get into GSL...
Elephants have contracts with their current sponsors I don't think they like giving up their salary just because gsl is the "official" sc2 tourney in town . Wait till proleague makes the full transition and we will soon compare which league will have the better quality among the two.
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On August 16 2012 00:09 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 00:05 Darkthorn wrote:On August 15 2012 23:49 orbs wrote:
that's some nice elephant dodging. If the elephants are so good they should get into GSL... Yea, they should. I hear they run open qualifiers for that every 2 months or so?
This is just a mocking from your part while playing the "they just play for 2 months card" but some people like effort have been in korean GM for a very long time...
don't get me wrong I don't have anything with the kespa players...but every bw fan is just throwing shit left and right without certain proof...
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Sucks for WCS. Gamescon is looking pretty sweet atm.
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