EPT2. Naniwa
3. Major
4. Thorzain
5. Sase
I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra.
Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well | ||
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well 1. Stephano 2. NaNiwa 3. Nerchio 4. MaNa 5. Kas Notables: Scarlett, Ret, SaSe, ThorZaIN, BlinG, Beastyqt Would be my guess or is that the official list Mr. iNcontroL? Korean List be: 1. Taeja 2. Nestea 3. MC 4. Genius 5. Mvp Possibly? Notables bein' Squirtle, MarineKing, Dongraegu, Puzzle, PartinG, Seed, Polt, PuMa, HerO, aLive | ||
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chris5180
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
1. Stephano(Z) France 2. NaNiwa(P) Sweden 3. Thorzain(T) Sweden 4. VortiX(Z) Spain 5. MajOr(T) Mexico as far as Ret - I would have voted ret ahead of VortiX as a second zerg until the last few months wear VortiX has been on tear and Ret has been pretty bad. everyone was cringing at his matches yesterday vs IM in SF | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well It is extremely vindicating to know that you share my rough opinions on the top foreigners  . Yay! | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:18 jmbthirteen wrote: skill isn't a matter of opinion. perceived skill is a matter of opinion. I was going to write that, then I told to myself this discussion is nonsense, but still happy that you spoke my mind ( with the same exact words) ! | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
But knowing IPL, Quantic Illusion will be one of them for sure, LOL | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well I know you're biased and all and that's ok, but really? Idra is... not on my list right now. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:41 Champloo wrote: Why would anyone put Sase or Major in the top 5? What have they done compared to Nerchio, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (all won a major tournament recently) or Naniwa (top 8 in the last 2 GSLs)? But knowing IPL, Quantic Illusion will be one of them for sure, LOL Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. SaSe is at like every major tournament. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 gedatsu wrote: I know you're biased and all and that's ok, but really? Idra is... not on my list right now. Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. for all Major's korean time he hasn't done anything, he seems to just be living off his korean training hype atm | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. I've seen Major a lot lately and he's definetly top 3 foreign terran atm, but for a tournament like this you really shouldn't pick him over people who won a major tournament within the last 3 months. There's just no evidence that he's better than these 5 (Mana, Nerchio, Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa). And Sase travels A LOT to tournaments. He just isn't good enough. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. I think if you could find a way to distill the Idra that shows up on his best days, bottle it, and inject him with it every time he plays, then he would 100% be a candidate for this tournament. It's weird. Sometimes he plays SO WELL but other times he just sort of rolls over and dies. And yeah, ZvP. I'm sure he'll come back eventually though. He works hard and is talented. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. This was my first thought also. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:51 Champloo wrote: I've seen Major a lot lately and he's definetly top 3 foreign terran atm, but for a tournament like this you really shouldn't pick him over people who won a major tournament within the last 3 months. There's just no evidence that he's better than these 5 (Mana, Nerchio, Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa). And Sase travels A LOT to tournaments. He just isn't good enough. Hmm... maybe SaSe does travel to more tournaments than I thought in retrospect (especially seeing the last few posts saying so, I'm prob wrong^^), but in terms of skill who's a better Terran than Thorzain maybe? Although I can agree with your argument that if you're going to have a tournament like this maybe you should pick people rather who have had a major tournament win, and thus I could understand Mana over Major. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. why would you have someone on a team whose big game "experience" has proven time and time again that he'll leave games before they are lost or even games that he has basically won, his mindset is god awful for a team | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. Sure, he's a top gamer, but you'd put him in the top 8 of all foreigners? I think that's definitely stretching it. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:53 FabledIntegral wrote: Hmm... maybe SaSe does travel to more tournaments than I thought in retrospect (especially seeing the last few posts saying so, I'm prob wrong^^), but in terms of skill who's a better Terran than Thorzain maybe? Although I can agree with your argument that if you're going to have a tournament like this maybe you should pick people rather who have had a major tournament win, and thus I could understand Mana over Major. Foreigner Terrans are generally worse than foreigner Zergs and Protosses so why would you want to put more than one of them in a five man lineup anyway? Pick Thorzain if you want to, but then leave it at that. | ||
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