EPTOn July 31 2012 08:13 Fluffboll wrote:
That was way before the recent zerg buffs. Naniwa simply has not been able to adapt to the new significantly more powerful zerg
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On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:
nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:
That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd.
On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:
What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:
How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg?
On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:
Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row.
Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into...
Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell.
On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different.
Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport.
On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake.
And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea.
On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:
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So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8.
It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews.
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So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8.
It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews.
Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake.
And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea.
Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different.
Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport.
Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into...
Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell.
Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row.
Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg?
What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd.
nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
That was way before the recent zerg buffs. Naniwa simply has not been able to adapt to the new significantly more powerful zerg
He was knocked out in a couple of tournaments by mediocre zergs before the patch.
