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On July 31 2012 06:29 Sandermatt wrote:
ROGNaniwa maybe? If ASUS helped him to get to dreamhack.
Maybe this problems and leaving the team is connected to his reasent slump. Leaving Quantic definitly is a bad decision.
And I agree with kruxey Quantic was the perfect team for him, they also try to develop their players personality wise.
Recent slump? He's not doing differently than he has in quite a while. Bombing out of foreign tournaments but doing pretty well in the GSL is not being in a slump, that's just the kind of player Naniwa is now.
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On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake.
And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea.
Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it.
You didn't have much logic to begin with.
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IMO the TL's interview with SortOf following yesterday's Naniwa-Sortof series is pretty informative about Naniwa's current PvZ 
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On July 31 2012 08:14 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
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Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different.
Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it. You didn't have much logic to begin with.
Because I don't think Naniwa is a top 8 in the world player? Lol yea damn my logic is terrible....
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On July 31 2012 08:14 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
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Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different.
Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it. You didn't have much logic to begin with.
Hell yeah, now this is a Naniwa thread.
*popcorn time*
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i seen it coming EGIdrA even mention it in lo3 or STOG not a surprise his not going to Evil Geniuses i am 100 percent certain
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On July 31 2012 07:27 namste wrote:
Tbh, I'm surprised that anyone even wants to sign up Naniwa anymore. He changes team almost more often than I change my underwear.
that's really gross
do you have fungus
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On July 31 2012 08:15 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:14 Fluffboll wrote:On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into...
Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it. You didn't have much logic to begin with. Hell yeah, now this is a Naniwa thread. *popcorn time*
You are welcome, some entertainment for the masses.
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Lots of Naniwa haters in here trying to take away from his accomplishments of making it to RO8 in GSL, etc. (discrediting him). eg: Saying DRG played bad in their close series, etc. lol.
Haters gonna hate.
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Slasher, your "I know what's going on but tomorrow it'll be in my story on this site" posts are freaking obnoxious and annoying as hell.
It's absolutely understandable, and professionally a good thing, but we're impatient bastards and want it NOW. T_T
Also, I can see Naniwa trying to get on with a Korean-based team since he seems to be doing well in the environment and keeps trying to get his slice of GSL. I don't see him joining Root (sorry Catz), I think personality wise he is not a great fit for Liquid, and likewise I don't think his personality would work well in a "Team Grubby" style situation. He may want to go to StarTale since they have great protoss. Or maybe he could try to get close to MC and become the second SK member. But we'll have to wait and see.
(F%*k Slasher.)
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Wow! I didn´t expect this at all!!... Well, Good Luck Naniwa!
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On July 31 2012 08:07 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_> Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that. Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless. People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4)
I'm saying that's how it works in every big sport I've watched or taken part of. The winner of the biggest tournament is considered the best and the champions until the next time it's concluded. Even when it's with 1 year intervals.
I don't understand why starcraft skill should be assessed subjectively. I agree to disagree though.
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Wonder where he will go now..
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Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
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On July 31 2012 07:59 Lazermon wrote:okay, NaNi has said it multiple times that it's not worth playing starcraft if you can't train in korea, so we have to assume that a training house is more important than a team. South korean team houses right now: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_HouseNO StartaleQ House (I will trust nani, who said that he wouldnt join ST and asume he isn't coming back here) NO Fnatic House (nightend is in the team, + kicked from fnatic in his wc3 career) NO Slayers-EG house (EG, won't happen) NO Liquid house (not really a team house, a house for friends) NO MVP house (he has been here before, wont go back) YES Mana house (In creation, linked with Mouz, may be a possibility?) NO IM house (He left MVP because he felt alone, any team house without foreigners probably wont be a good fit) NO FXO house (same) NO Prime house (same) NO TSL house (same) NO NsHoseo house (same) YES GOMTV house (probably the place NaNi will end up in if he joins a team without a team house) My personal bet is Mouz.Naniwa, living together with Mana in that house. Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
Oh boy, that TT1 troll was really succesful if there are still people believing in 'Mana house' in Korea...
On topic - imo most probably he will get personal sponsorship (my bet would be ROG - same as Elfi). If not, he will either join foreign team with Korean partnership (EG - just no, IdrA would ragequit the team, Millenium - maybe, Quantic - I would guess not :p, SK - maybe, although I dont think they would like him very much in IM house) or join Korean team. If Korean team, it would have to be KESPA team - no team aside from probably ST and IM have enough money to get him, and he said he won't go to ST and as I said before, I don't think IM would like him on the team.
And imo it makes sense for some KESPA team - he would get probably the best practice enviroment that anyone can offer (although probably a bit harsh), they have money to send him to events and he would have the easiest path into any big tournaments that have separate KESPA/other players qualifications. For KESPA team, they agreed not to pickup players from GOM teams, but Naniwa is foreigner, so they could get a pro who is at least top20 in world, they would get a lot of attention from foreign fans, they would get an Ace into Proleague and they would possibly get someone representing them in GSL even though their own player are not up to the challenge just yet. Imo it would make sense to get him, mostly because how much new foreign fans would that team get.
And I know he is not liked in Korea, but its not that serious as some posters are making it seem... There was a lot of KOREAN Naniwa fans during his games in GSL. And even haters in Korea are acknowledging he is a good player, which cannot be said about haters on TL/Reddit. And if Nani would get some 'treatment' from those KESPA personality experts, it could be pretty nice for him also...
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On July 31 2012 08:14 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
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Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different.
Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it. You didn't have much logic to begin with.
Top8 worst personalities in Esports indeed.
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On July 31 2012 08:18 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:07 zefreak wrote:On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_> Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that. Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless. People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4) I'm saying that's how it works in every big sport I've watched or taken part of. The winner of the biggest tournament is considered the best and the champions until the next time it's concluded. Even when it's with 1 year intervals. I don't understand why starcraft skill should be assessed subjectively. I agree to disagree though.
Your "biggest tournament" is a subjective category as well, so I would argue that your point is invalid
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On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
A forum is a place for discussion; an argument is a form of discussion.
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On July 31 2012 08:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:14 Fluffboll wrote:On July 31 2012 08:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into...
Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ? I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it. You didn't have much logic to begin with. Because I don't think Naniwa is a top 8 in the world player? Lol yea damn my logic is terrible....
FWIW I completely agree with you. For just once I'd love it if people actually saw the players he had to get through, before proclaiming him as being undoubtedly the best foreigner, or top 8 in the world or whatever it might be. He has beaten solid upper Code A/lower Code S Terrans and Protoss but his biggest vZ result was in a series he ended up losing. He hasn't beaten a single absolute top player in the GSL (DRG, MC, MVP etc.) and he hasn't beaten a single Jerg. He's a solid Code S class player, and that's not a bad thing.
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The plot thickens. I wonder where he'll be heading to next?
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