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The fuck? Where does anywhere in my post state that I picked them on who I subjectively like? The fact that you even think Naniwa can be considered a top 8 player because he made 2 sub par runs in Code S is laughable. I've responded to everything you have posted and just gotten stupid condescending pointless posts back I'm done talking to you -.-
Two sub par runs? He made RO8 twice and had an amazingly close series vs someone who many consider the best player in the world.
There are maybe 5 foreigners that would even have an outside chance at doing something like that.
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I'm not a big naniwa fan... but he is a good protoss... I might consider him a top 8 protoss player but definitely not top 8 sc2 player... his recent results outside of the GSL have been pretty poor... anyway that being said I wish him luck in finding a new team and hopefully he keeps working on his manner
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Wow, this has me really curious. If he isn't with Quantic and their Korean partner, will he be able to continue participating in the GSL? I don't know how that works, as I haven't had a lot of time the last couple months to follow the SC2 scene in great detail. I understand he has some personality conflicts with other players, but given he has placed top 8 in GSL twice in a row, do you think a Korean team is going to pick him up?
Anyway, can't wait to hear the GameSpot announcement.
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On July 31 2012 08:07 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_> Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that. Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless. People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4)
I'm tired of responding to him/other people so I'm just going to quote your post. It seems to sum up my thoughts in a way that won't get me banned -.-
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On July 31 2012 08:06 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:59 Lazermon wrote:
Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2. What, Morrow is taking a long break from SC2? Has there been an official statement or is this just a guessing since he didn't have many appearances recently? Though he did participate in the Northern EU WCS?
When he streamed Närcon together with maddeLisk he said that he took a break after he left mouz, he is coming back to the scene now.
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On July 31 2012 08:09 YourAdHere wrote:Show nested quote +
The fuck? Where does anywhere in my post state that I picked them on who I subjectively like? The fact that you even think Naniwa can be considered a top 8 player because he made 2 sub par runs in Code S is laughable. I've responded to everything you have posted and just gotten stupid condescending pointless posts back I'm done talking to you -.-
Two sub par runs? He made RO8 twice and had an amazingly close series vs someone who many consider the best player in the world. There are maybe 5 foreigners that would even have an outside chance at doing something like that.
DRG vs naniwa and mc wasn't playing at his usual level.
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On July 31 2012 08:08 Dexington wrote:
Why are people only looking at his GSL work? He's been crushed by the following people in the last few tournaments: Nerchio, sLivko, LiveZerg, SortOf (twice), Dimaga, Thorzain.
That's a list of foreigners who beat him. And yet people still think he's top 8 in the world? Jesus, come on people.
You do have a point, but players frequently go through slumps. I believe if everyone was playing their best, Naniwa would easily demolish everyone on that list except Thorzain. That is, of course, my subjective opinion.
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Naniwa doesnt deserve the attention he gets
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On July 31 2012 08:08 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:05 Demorase wrote:On July 31 2012 08:04 Kluey wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 Maiden wrote:
This is actually not surprising at all. During an interview, Idra stated that Quantic was looking to get rid of Naniwa first chance they got. I didnt believe him until I read this. Quantic doesnt seem very hesitant to release him from his contract. That is hilarious! That's bullshit. Naniwa is Quantic's star player and worth the most to them. Also, they don't ever seem to have shit going on between them. The admins are always saying it's nice to work with Naniwa, he's a real athlete who demands for things. Naniwa never says Quantic is shit. Also, Destiny said Naniwa is a really cool guy within Quantic. It's called PR bro, never trust PR. If Naniwa says ge left on good terms I think it is believable. If he was kicked out he would be bad mouthing the team, I think.
Yeah maybe, or maybe they didn't want yet another shitstorm, we'll never know. Both are plausible.
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On July 31 2012 08:08 Erasme wrote:How long did he stay with them ? Stop posting bullshit please.
He managed to not complete yet another contract.
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On July 31 2012 08:10 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:08 Dexington wrote:
Why are people only looking at his GSL work? He's been crushed by the following people in the last few tournaments: Nerchio, sLivko, LiveZerg, SortOf (twice), Dimaga, Thorzain.
That's a list of foreigners who beat him. And yet people still think he's top 8 in the world? Jesus, come on people. You do have a point, but players frequently go through slumps. I believe if everyone was playing their best, Naniwa would easily demolish everyone on that list except Thorzain. That is, of course, my subjective opinion.
So when naniwa wins he is playing his best but when he loses he is not ?
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On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd.
nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
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On July 31 2012 08:11 Maiden wrote:
Naniwa doesnt deserve the attention he gets
Imo he does, both the good and the bad.
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My personal bet is Mouz.Naniwa, living together with Mana in that house. Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
How does this make sense, a previous mousesports member would make Naniwa join that team. Maybe if he still was on the team it would be a higher rated option imo.
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On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ?
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On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
That was way before the recent zerg buffs. Naniwa simply has not been able to adapt to the new significantly more powerful zerg
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On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
So long ago, don't bring up results that are no longer relevant.
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On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence?
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Calling on results from almost 9 (!) months ago aren't really acceptable in this kind of discussion, come on.
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On July 31 2012 08:12 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:11 s1ege wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 MCDayC wrote:On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:
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So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8.
It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs. That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd. nani bad against zerg? is that why he beat nestea and drg at mlg providence? Wait, are you actually talking about a tournament that took place almost 1 year ago ?
I've given up on the usage of logic in this thread. I suggest you do the same. It's just not worth it.
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