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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
MC?... (GSL semifinal)
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I highly doubt he is going to EG as the whole team has said repeatedly that they don't like him haha
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On July 31 2012 07:51 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:49 ArcadeR wrote:
"Left by his own choice"..oh yeah, for sure...Quantic searched a way and finally has found it. No offense here but they wanted to get rid of him and thats all. Got any inside info, or just bullshitting? I already know the answer.
I dont care what you think, if you know anyone that knows ask him/her ...if not keep guessing and stop bitching please.
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On July 31 2012 07:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss.
Maybe not... but even without them there, he is still not top 8... and that was just a quick list. Give me time to think about it and I'm sure I could come up with more.....
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On July 31 2012 07:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss.
Naniwa wouldn't have been mentioned a couple months ago either so. . .?
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SK_Naniwa >.> All protoss!
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okay, NaNi has said it multiple times that it's not worth playing starcraft if you can't train in korea, so we have to assume that a training house is more important than a team. South korean team houses right now:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_House
NO StartaleQ House (I will trust nani, who said that he wouldnt join ST and asume he isn't coming back here)
NO Fnatic House (nightend is in the team, + kicked from fnatic in his wc3 career)
NO Slayers-EG house (EG, won't happen)
NO Liquid house (not really a team house, a house for friends)
NO MVP house (he has been here before, wont go back)
YES Mana house (In creation, linked with Mouz, may be a possibility?)
NO IM house (He left MVP because he felt alone, any team house without foreigners probably wont be a good fit)
NO FXO house (same)
NO Prime house (same)
NO TSL house (same)
NO NsHoseo house (same)
YES GOMTV house (probably the place NaNi will end up in if he joins a team without a team house)
My personal bet is Mouz.Naniwa, living together with Mana in that house. Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
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On July 31 2012 07:42 NebuLoSa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 06:21 NebuLoSa wrote:On July 31 2012 06:15 MigzR wrote:
Startale ofcorse! '':D'' Philip @philuatorn @QuanticNaNi ST_Nani nästa? juli 25 Johan Lucchesi @QuanticNaNi @philuatorn aldrig i livet  "ST_Nani next?" "Never in my life" So -- probably not. And he said he likes playing for the foreign fans. ANYONE WHO THINKS HE'S GOING TO STARTALE SHOULD READ THIS GOD DAMN POST
Probs going to ST! Wooooo! (Joke....) In any case, I have no idea what team would want to pick him up but if I owned a team it would be more along the lines of Liquid than any other team in the player attitude regard so....
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On July 31 2012 07:59 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss. Maybe not... but even without them there, he is still not top 8... and that was just a quick list. Give me time to think about it and I'm sure I could come up with more.....
Squirtle, Creator, Parting and Oz. The korean scene is stacked with protoss talent.
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On July 31 2012 07:37 NoGasfOu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:25 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:14 Zane wrote:On July 31 2012 07:10 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:04 NoGasfOu wrote:On July 31 2012 07:00 karpo wrote:On July 31 2012 06:57 NoGasfOu wrote:
No Korean team is going to pick up Naniwa. They have many players in Code B that are better than him, and they're not sending any of them to foreign tournaments. Don't think they would spend the money to fly Naniwa around. If Naniwa doesn't find a Korean team to stay, his skill will decrease and will probably be eliminated from the GSL next season. Don't wanna sound like a Naniwa fanboy, but alot of code b players that are better? Sound like you just don't like the guy. He has gotten to ro8 twice now... Naniwa receiver GSL bailout seeds 5 or 6 times, iirc. If any code B player had received that many free seeds, he would've won a GSL title already. So any player who has been in the GSL Code A/S five or six times has won a GSL title? Even the Koreans admit Naniwa is really good so maybe it's time to stop referencing the age old Code A record. How many times did he lose in Code A? 3? Maybe if he gets a 3rd ro8 in a row next season they'll seed him directly in the semifinals. I don't get it. People can say what they want but Ro8 twice in a row is pretty indisputable proof that he's Code S level. The fact that he lost a few times in Code A ages and ages ago is of no relevance to that fact. SC2 is pretty random. Any code B can beat any code A or S and vise versa. It's just a matter of whoever receives the most opportunities and free seeds. No players on Earth got seeded into tournametns more than Naniwa, Idra, Huk and Stephano. Once you've reached a level, you can beat anyone on any given day with SC2. Getting hyped up and bailout seeds are what makes the difference.
I really, really think you're over exaggerating how random it is. The top players post consistently good results. Getting into Code A is hard but that doesn't mean that every Code B player is the equal of every Code S player. I mean...the same people keep winning the most stuff.
Any Code B player probably CAN beat any any Code A/S player, but that doesn't mean they're at the same skill level. They couldn't consistently compete.
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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
No, he literally loses to all Zerg, not just Koreans. He can't "convincingly beat" them, because he can't beat any of them.
Tonnes of Protoss can beat Zerg.
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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? Oh come on, bringing balance into it? Naniwa is bad against Zergs compared to his othermatchups, he's been kicking ass in Code S, but he's come to Europe and been knocked out of multiple tournaments (off the top of my head Dreamhack, WCS Sweden, TSL4) by European Zergs.
That alone makes calling him Top 8 in the world a stretch. He's a fantastic player, top 2 foreigner with Stephano, but you can't take GSL results completely in isolation when ranking players, thats just absurd.
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This is actually not surprising at all. During an interview, Idra stated that Quantic was looking to get rid of Naniwa first chance they got. I didnt believe him until I read this. Quantic doesnt seem very hesitant to release him from his contract. That is hilarious!
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On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:16 UniquE. wrote:
I can bet he is joining a SC1 BW Team not sure which one but Im a betting man I will take this bet anyday of the week! BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to.
OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice.
Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
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On July 31 2012 07:50 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:46 Latringuden wrote:On July 31 2012 07:37 NoGasfOu wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:14 Zane wrote:On July 31 2012 07:10 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:04 NoGasfOu wrote:On July 31 2012 07:00 karpo wrote:On July 31 2012 06:57 NoGasfOu wrote:
No Korean team is going to pick up Naniwa. They have many players in Code B that are better than him, and they're not sending any of them to foreign tournaments. Don't think they would spend the money to fly Naniwa around. If Naniwa doesn't find a Korean team to stay, his skill will decrease and will probably be eliminated from the GSL next season. Don't wanna sound like a Naniwa fanboy, but alot of code b players that are better? Sound like you just don't like the guy. He has gotten to ro8 twice now... Naniwa receiver GSL bailout seeds 5 or 6 times, iirc. If any code B player had received that many free seeds, he would've won a GSL title already. So any player who has been in the GSL Code A/S five or six times has won a GSL title? Even the Koreans admit Naniwa is really good so maybe it's time to stop referencing the age old Code A record. How many times did he lose in Code A? 3? Maybe if he gets a 3rd ro8 in a row next season they'll seed him directly in the semifinals. I don't get it. People can say what they want but Ro8 twice in a row is pretty indisputable proof that he's Code S level. The fact that he lost a few times in Code A ages and ages ago is of no relevance to that fact. SC2 is pretty random. Any code B can beat any code A or S and vise versa. It's just a matter of whoever receives the most opportunities and free seeds. No players on Earth got seeded into tournametns more than Naniwa, Idra, Huk and Stephano. Once you've reached a level, you can beat anyone on any given day with SC2. Getting hyped up and bailout seeds are what makes the difference. So why aren't the code B players in code S? Why has MVP won 4 gsl code s titles, Nestea 3 and MC 2? Are they just better at rolling a dice? While there is a healty amount of competition and a few upsets here and there the better players are the ones who win the most tournaments and are consistantly in top 8. And we really don't have that many players that can brag about actually winning offline tournaments. Naniwa, Huk, Stephano and Idra are among those few, Thorzain is another. Which is why they have recieved seeds. Just like MC and Polt got seeded back into Code S. Because they friggin win. Alot. DRG was stuck in code A until he got seeded in. naniwa couldnt even make it out of code A until he got seeded in, and then he made Ro8 twice. A lot of top korean players once seeded in showed they can hang in code S. basically mechanical skill is irrelevant in sc2, because all the code S players have pretty much reached the skill ceiling hence why its so volatile and champions can get knocked out of Code S in the blink of an eye and no names can catapult into Code S, only to fall back into code B after a few months. The skill levels of everyone in code A and S are roughly the same, so anybody can beat anybody else.
I'm not saying that they can't beat anybody else. I'm just saying that they don't. They might in GSTL, in an MLG, in a weekly tournament or on ladder. But in Code S some of the players are consistently winning more then others and hence they are more skilled. It's not the fact that naniwa made it to ro8 once that should be proof of his skill it is that he's done it twice.
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My money is on Mana's house.
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On July 31 2012 07:59 Lazermon wrote:okay, NaNi has said it multiple times that it's not worth playing starcraft if you can't train in korea, so we have to assume that a training house is more important than a team. South korean team houses right now: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_HouseNO StartaleQ House (I will trust nani, who said that he wouldnt join ST and asume he isn't coming back here) NO Fnatic House (nightend is in the team, + kicked from fnatic in his wc3 career) NO Slayers-EG house (EG, won't happen) NO Liquid house (not really a team house, a house for friends) NO MVP house (he has been here before, wont go back) YES Mana house (In creation, linked with Mouz, may be a possibility?) NO IM house (He left MVP because he felt alone, any team house without foreigners probably wont be a good fit) NO FXO house (same) NO Prime house (same) NO TSL house (same) NO NsHoseo house (same) YES GOMTV house (probably the place NaNi will end up in if he joins a team without a team house) My personal bet is Mouz.Naniwa, living together with Mana in that house. Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
Oh man, he's so bonned.
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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
Doesn't EGJYP and LiquidHerO have ridiculous winrates vs Zerg? Also SKMC has repeatedly said in interviews that he feels PvZ is actually his best match-up. CreatorPrime also has a really good winrate as well recently.
While i think many would agree that many Protosses are struggling in the PvZ match-up right now doesnt some how give him a pass on losing matches against significantly weaker players (JohnyREcco).
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On July 31 2012 07:59 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss. Naniwa wouldn't have been mentioned a couple months ago either so. . .?
Naniwa was still a strong foreigner before his GSL Seed/Success.
Alicia has been in a tank since the Super Tournament up until recently
Seed was "just another Code B player" that had a brief spotlight in the GSTL back in like 2010 until he qualified for Code A the first season Naniwa hit Ro8.
I'd say NaNiWa was closer to Top 8 contention before this season than those two.
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