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On July 31 2012 07:50 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:46 Latringuden wrote:On July 31 2012 07:37 NoGasfOu wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:14 Zane wrote:On July 31 2012 07:10 The KY wrote:On July 31 2012 07:04 NoGasfOu wrote:On July 31 2012 07:00 karpo wrote:On July 31 2012 06:57 NoGasfOu wrote:
No Korean team is going to pick up Naniwa. They have many players in Code B that are better than him, and they're not sending any of them to foreign tournaments. Don't think they would spend the money to fly Naniwa around. If Naniwa doesn't find a Korean team to stay, his skill will decrease and will probably be eliminated from the GSL next season. Don't wanna sound like a Naniwa fanboy, but alot of code b players that are better? Sound like you just don't like the guy. He has gotten to ro8 twice now... Naniwa receiver GSL bailout seeds 5 or 6 times, iirc. If any code B player had received that many free seeds, he would've won a GSL title already. So any player who has been in the GSL Code A/S five or six times has won a GSL title? Even the Koreans admit Naniwa is really good so maybe it's time to stop referencing the age old Code A record. How many times did he lose in Code A? 3? Maybe if he gets a 3rd ro8 in a row next season they'll seed him directly in the semifinals. I don't get it. People can say what they want but Ro8 twice in a row is pretty indisputable proof that he's Code S level. The fact that he lost a few times in Code A ages and ages ago is of no relevance to that fact. SC2 is pretty random. Any code B can beat any code A or S and vise versa. It's just a matter of whoever receives the most opportunities and free seeds. No players on Earth got seeded into tournametns more than Naniwa, Idra, Huk and Stephano. Once you've reached a level, you can beat anyone on any given day with SC2. Getting hyped up and bailout seeds are what makes the difference. So why aren't the code B players in code S? Why has MVP won 4 gsl code s titles, Nestea 3 and MC 2? Are they just better at rolling a dice? While there is a healty amount of competition and a few upsets here and there the better players are the ones who win the most tournaments and are consistantly in top 8. And we really don't have that many players that can brag about actually winning offline tournaments. Naniwa, Huk, Stephano and Idra are among those few, Thorzain is another. Which is why they have recieved seeds. Just like MC and Polt got seeded back into Code S. Because they friggin win. Alot. DRG was stuck in code A until he got seeded in. naniwa couldnt even make it out of code A until he got seeded in, and then he made Ro8 twice. A lot of top korean players once seeded in showed they can hang in code S. basically mechanical skill is irrelevant in sc2, because all the code S players have pretty much reached the skill ceiling hence why its so volatile and champions can get knocked out of Code S in the blink of an eye and no names can catapult into Code S, only to fall back into code B after a few months. The skill levels of everyone in code A and S are roughly the same, so anybody can beat anybody else.
this is sooo not true, just look at the results of code A round 1 and tell me how many upsets happened.
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On July 31 2012 07:53 ShinsoEU wrote:
Naniwa retires,
get's a gun license,
aims towards head.
User was temp banned for this post.
what the fuck is wrong with you man? Your mother did a damn poor job raising you.
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On July 31 2012 07:51 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:49 ArcadeR wrote:
"Left by his own choice"..oh yeah, for sure...Quantic searched a way and finally has found it. No offense here but they wanted to get rid of him and thats all. Got any inside info, or just bullshitting? I already know the answer.
IdrA said Quantic would kick him out, so it must be so!
Seriously though when will he stop leaving teams?
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On July 31 2012 07:53 ShinsoEU wrote:
Naniwa retires,
get's a gun license,
aims towards head.
User was temp banned for this post.
only temp banned for that?
Wow, that is so fucking offensive...
He should be banned forever.
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Sooow.... Back to Dignitas? That seems weird.
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On July 31 2012 07:54 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:52 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:49 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:46 umade wrote:
Nevermind.
I think it'll be SK. He wants to go to events. Quantic can't send him to events. SK just ditched their 1.6 team, saving alot of cash. I don't know if I should keep answering to people with 2 posts but anyway ... he won't join SK because they don't have a teamhouse in korea. And naniwa wants one. Being an IM fan, you should probably be aware that SK has a partnership with IM, which would allow him to stay in the teamhouse if they so desired it. Yes that is true but as far as I know, neither MC nor the IM guys have a good relationship with naniwa. hahaha where do people pull out these "insider information" from. Yes, I am sure that you are so intimate with naniwa and the KR scene that you know all about their relationships.
It's called Twitter.
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On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:16 UniquE. wrote:
I can bet he is joining a SC1 BW Team not sure which one but Im a betting man I will take this bet anyday of the week! BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg?
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nAni is going crazy. Really hoping for SK.Naniwa now!
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On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:16 UniquE. wrote:
I can bet he is joining a SC1 BW Team not sure which one but Im a betting man I will take this bet anyday of the week! BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league."
You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*.
Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia,
Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP
Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol.
Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to.
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On July 31 2012 07:55 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:53 ShinsoEU wrote:
Naniwa retires,
get's a gun license,
aims towards head.
User was temp banned for this post. only temp banned for that? Fuck you TL, that is so fucking offensive... He should be banned forever.
indeed. What the fuck is that? Shame on you man.
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I'm starting to think this is an elaborate Swedish troll, incorporating personalities like Morrow, Naniwa and Newman o.O
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On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:16 UniquE. wrote:
I can bet he is joining a SC1 BW Team not sure which one but Im a betting man I will take this bet anyday of the week! BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg?
What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
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No ones gonna want him, no ones gonna pick him up. The beginning of the end. Good riddance.
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IM picks up Naniwa? :D:D Thats only a dream though
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relax, he'll get his perm eventually if he doesnt learn from that
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ROOTNaniwa incoming, we now have the most controversial SC2 team ever.
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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
MC, duh.
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On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:16 UniquE. wrote:
I can bet he is joining a SC1 BW Team not sure which one but Im a betting man I will take this bet anyday of the week! BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to.
It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss.
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On July 31 2012 07:55 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:54 paintfive wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:49 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:46 umade wrote:
Nevermind.
I think it'll be SK. He wants to go to events. Quantic can't send him to events. SK just ditched their 1.6 team, saving alot of cash. I don't know if I should keep answering to people with 2 posts but anyway ... he won't join SK because they don't have a teamhouse in korea. And naniwa wants one. Being an IM fan, you should probably be aware that SK has a partnership with IM, which would allow him to stay in the teamhouse if they so desired it. Yes that is true but as far as I know, neither MC nor the IM guys have a good relationship with naniwa. hahaha where do people pull out these "insider information" from. Yes, I am sure that you are so intimate with naniwa and the KR scene that you know all about their relationships. If you weren't aware of this, you must not have been following the scene very much. It's okay, I forgive you.
You thought Nestea hates Naniwas guts after almost 1 year and were proven wrong in 3 minutes.
If you weren't aware of this, you must not have been following the scene very much. It's okay, I forgive you.
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On July 31 2012 07:55 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:53 ShinsoEU wrote:
Naniwa retires,
get's a gun license,
aims towards head.
User was temp banned for this post. only temp banned for that? Wow, that is so fucking offensive... He should be banned forever. to the person who wrote that: I'm not a NaNiWa fan, Didn't your mom teach you manners Fuck you.
I agree, that's not how you write a haiku. He should've been permanently banned for that.
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