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On July 31 2012 08:01 Maiden wrote:
This is actually not surprising at all. During an interview, Idra stated that Quantic was looking to get rid of Naniwa first chance they got. I didnt believe him until I read this. Quantic doesnt seem very hesitant to release him from his contract. That is hilarious!
That's bullshit. Naniwa is Quantic's star player and worth the most to them. Also, they don't ever seem to have shit going on between them. The admins are always saying it's nice to work with Naniwa, he's a real athlete who demands for things. Naniwa never says Quantic is shit. Also, Destiny said Naniwa is a really cool guy within Quantic.
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On July 31 2012 07:59 Lazermon wrote:
Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
Hm? He retired?
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On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg?
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91878-summer-arena-wbr3-stephano-vs-oz-game-1
Results
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http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91818-summer-arena-lbr6-stephano-vs-oz-game-1
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On July 31 2012 08:04 Kluey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:01 Maiden wrote:
This is actually not surprising at all. During an interview, Idra stated that Quantic was looking to get rid of Naniwa first chance they got. I didnt believe him until I read this. Quantic doesnt seem very hesitant to release him from his contract. That is hilarious! That's bullshit. Naniwa is Quantic's star player and worth the most to them. Also, they don't ever seem to have shit going on between them. The admins are always saying it's nice to work with Naniwa, he's a real athlete who demands for things. Naniwa never says Quantic is shit. Also, Destiny said Naniwa is a really cool guy within Quantic.
It's called PR bro, never trust PR.
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On July 31 2012 07:58 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? MC?... (GSL semifinal)
His games vs DRG weren't that impressive, DRG played really badly. His PvZ wasn't that great at HSC4 or NASL either. It's important to look at the actual games rather than results, Naniwa barely lost to DRG but the games were pretty weird with DRG losing because he was caught off guard by Naniwa's new build.
On July 31 2012 08:05 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. How can you be top 8 in the world if you can't beat Zerg? What Protoss can convincingly beat Zerg? http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91878-summer-arena-wbr3-stephano-vs-oz-game-1Results + Show Spoiler +http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91818-summer-arena-lbr6-stephano-vs-oz-game-1+ Show Spoiler +Results + Show Spoiler +
Yea I'll admit that series did impress me  .
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On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
The fuck? Where does anywhere in my post state that I picked them on who I subjectively like? The fact that you even think Naniwa can be considered a top 8 player because he made 2 sub par runs in Code S is laughable. I've responded to everything you have posted and just gotten stupid condescending pointless posts back I'm done talking to you -.-
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calm down guys, no need to turn this into flame wars
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On July 31 2012 07:59 Lazermon wrote:
Nani is fairly close to morrow, a long time member of Mousesports who just recently left the team to take a long break from sc2.
What, Morrow is taking a long break from SC2? Has there been an official statement or is this just a guessing since he didn't have many appearances recently? Though he did participate in the Northern EU WCS?
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On July 31 2012 08:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:59 FuzzyJAM wrote:On July 31 2012 07:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. It's funny because if you had been asked that two months ago I'm pretty sure Alicia and Seed wouldn't even been on your list of Protoss. Naniwa wouldn't have been mentioned a couple months ago either so. . .? Naniwa was still a strong foreigner before his GSL Seed/Success. Alicia has been in a tank since the Super Tournament up until recently Seed was "just another Code B player" that had a brief spotlight in the GSTL back in like 2010 until he qualified for Code A the first season Naniwa hit Ro8. I'd say NaNiWa was closer to Top 8 contention before this season than those two.
The problem is that most of the koreans don't get to travel outside of korea to compete abroad so it's very easy for people to say that someone that has participated in lots of foreign tourneys (thus more chances to prove yourself) is better than the korean guy who only has the GSL to prove himself.
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On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
You're being ridiculously obtuse.
If GSL was the only tournament that existed, and was played in a league format where every player plays every other player and Naniwa placed 8th twice then yes, of course you'd be justified in calling him the 8th best player in the world.
But thats not how its played, it plays out by brackets and 4 man group stages, there is a degree of luck of who you draw, and more importantly GSL isn't the only tournament in the world, its not even the only tournament in Korea!
And in those other tournaments, Nani hasn't been playing (or achieving the results) to the level that you'd expect of a top level player, surely you can understand that?
Still a great player and someone foreigner should be proud of in terms of his play, but thats not the same as instantly top 8 because he made the round of 8 of the GSL twice.
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On July 31 2012 08:05 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_> The fuck? Where does anywhere in my post state that I picked them on who I subjectively like? The fact that you even think Naniwa can be considered a top 8 player because he made 2 sub par runs in Code S is laughable. I've responded to everything you have posted and just gotten stupid condescending pointless posts back I'm done talking to you -.-
Ro8 is a subpar run? Very interesting logic you have there
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On July 31 2012 08:05 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:
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He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_> The fuck? Where does anywhere in my post state that I picked them on who I subjectively like? The fact that you even think Naniwa can be considered a top 8 player because he made 2 sub par runs in Code S is laughable. I've responded to everything you have posted and just gotten stupid condescending pointless posts back I'm done talking to you -.-
Where does it state that you picked them for any reason at all? You're just saying they're "better". What's that even mean?
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On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 31 2012 07:25 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 07:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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I will take this bet anyday of the week!
BW teams hold a higher standard for their players. They won't go near a player like Naniwa. He's arguably the best foreigner, and currently 8th best in the world. That's pretty high standards. by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world.... So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews. Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea. Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport. Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell. Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you. I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to. OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that.
Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless.
People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4)
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Some saw this coming....Naniwa has already been through 11 teams (8 in SC2)....I don't think even Major can compete with that.
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Why are people only looking at his GSL work? He's been crushed by the following people in the last few tournaments: Nerchio, sLivko, LiveZerg, SortOf (twice), Dimaga, Thorzain., JonnyREcco
That's a list of foreigners who beat him. And yet people still think he's top 8 in the world? Jesus, come on people.
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On July 31 2012 08:07 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Some saw this coming....Naniwa has already been through 11 teams (8 in SC2)....I don't think even Major can compete with that.
Major is competing in another category.
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On July 31 2012 08:05 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:04 Kluey wrote:On July 31 2012 08:01 Maiden wrote:
This is actually not surprising at all. During an interview, Idra stated that Quantic was looking to get rid of Naniwa first chance they got. I didnt believe him until I read this. Quantic doesnt seem very hesitant to release him from his contract. That is hilarious! That's bullshit. Naniwa is Quantic's star player and worth the most to them. Also, they don't ever seem to have shit going on between them. The admins are always saying it's nice to work with Naniwa, he's a real athlete who demands for things. Naniwa never says Quantic is shit. Also, Destiny said Naniwa is a really cool guy within Quantic. It's called PR bro, never trust PR.
If Naniwa says ge left on good terms I think it is believable. If he was kicked out he would be bad mouthing the team, I think.
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On July 31 2012 06:21 synaptik wrote:
naniwa leaves another team? surprise.
How long did he stay with them ?
Stop posting bullshit please.
Good luck NaNi, one of the very few sc2 players I still like. I hope you find something adapted to your 'style' :p
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