EPTOn July 29 2012 08:39 SomeONEx wrote:
I say that 7-1 > 11-4, Sniper should be #1.
I say that 7-1 > 11-4, Sniper should be #1.
Not , imo Symbol 10:2 > 11:4 in CLEAR WAY , and 10:2 > 7:1 btw
CoCa is #1 in the GSTL - Page 2
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
Not , imo Symbol 10:2 > 11:4 in CLEAR WAY , and 10:2 > 7:1 btw | ||
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:03 opterown wrote: i had always thought that golden card actually went to the most valuable player of the winning team, btw Like keen when MVP won the championship. | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
In a perfect system beforehand you say the minimum amount of games required to qualify and then go by best record. These are their rules though so Coca won. | ||
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Fawkes
Canada1935 Posts
On July 29 2012 08:39 SomeONEx wrote: I say that 7-1 > 11-4, Sniper should be #1. Regardless of what you say, it says most wins, not the most appealing record. Unless you think 7 > 11. Then okay. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
10-2 should be seen as +8 wins and 11-4 as +7. Total amount of wins is a useless statistic in a league where not everyone plays the same amount. (For whoever said 7-1 should be better than 11-4 I don't think you can defend that with logic and uphold a normal ranking. By most reasoning you would end up with 2-0 beating both those scores.) | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
On July 29 2012 08:36 opterown wrote: why didn't mkp get an article like this last season? 10-1 haha Yeah! MKP got 10-1 record! He should have also had an article like this. But, Coca deserves this. I hope he manage to be in top form again | ||
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
GL thx for this | ||
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
You can rank them as by the spread (wins - losses). 11-4 = 7 but 10-2 = 8. So Symbol has the better spread. But CoCa has more wins. It's just a question of which ranking to use. Personally, I too ranking by spread because under the current system, 11-10 is better than 10-0, I believe. In my opinion, that should not be the case. | ||
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sertman
United States540 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:40 Dakure wrote: You can rank them as by the spread (wins - losses). 11-4 = 7 but 10-2 = 8. So Symbol has the better spread. But CoCa has more wins. It's just a question of which ranking to use. Personally, I too ranking by spread because under the current system, 11-10 is better than 10-0, I believe. In my opinion, that should not be the case. The "lose and you're out" format guarantees there won't be players at the top end of the win spectrum with equal amounts of losses. I don't have a problem with the player who gets the most wins for his team receiving the top prize. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37047 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:35 Ace1123 wrote: Yeah! MKP got 10-1 record! He should have also had an article like this. But, Coca deserves this. I hope he manage to be in top form again I'm fairly certain MKP DID have an article like this. It's just that back then, no one was surfing through the TIG forums to find it | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: What a misusage of statistics. 10-2 should be seen as +8 wins and 11-4 as +7. Total amount of wins is a useless statistic in a league where not everyone plays the same amount. (For whoever said 7-1 should be better than 11-4 I don't think you can defend that with logic and uphold a normal ranking. By most reasoning you would end up with 2-0 beating both those scores.) Agreed. Really, it's pretty clear Symbol had the best season based on the statistics. I would place CoCa second because with the same +/-, you want the player who has played more games (even though it means lower win %). Yes that means the "Extra" games are played at 50/50 but it's tougher to do well with a higher number of games played. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: What a misusage of statistics. 10-2 should be seen as +8 wins and 11-4 as +7. Total amount of wins is a useless statistic in a league where not everyone plays the same amount. (For whoever said 7-1 should be better than 11-4 I don't think you can defend that with logic and uphold a normal ranking. By most reasoning you would end up with 2-0 beating both those scores.) I'd disagree. It's not a misusage of statistics, it's just statistics used for a different purpose than you would have used it for. They wanted to know who won the most games, which is clearly CoCa. The questions wasn't who was the MVP or who had the best record, in which case net wins or even win percentage might be a more relevant. The fact of the matter is that CoCa contributed the most wins to his team of any player, and that's why he gets the interview. You get the same award in all sports: Most goals scored, most medals won, etc. None of these awards take the number of games played into consideration, they simply look at who did the most. So yeah, I think this is perfectly valid. Whether it says anything about who was the best player of the season is a different question. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:58 Daigomi wrote: I'd disagree. It's not a misusage of statistics, it's just statistics used for a different purpose than you would have used it for. They wanted to know who won the most games, which is clearly CoCa. The questions wasn't who was the MVP or who had the best record, in which case net wins or even win percentage might be a more relevant. The fact of the matter is that CoCa contributed the most wins to his team of any player, and that's why he gets the interview. You get the same award in all sports: Most goals scored, most medals won, etc. None of these awards take the number of games played into consideration, they simply look at who did the most. So yeah, I think this is perfectly valid. Whether it says anything about who was the best player of the season is a different question. If you put it that way then the title is pretty misleading - I wouldn't say CoCa is #1 in the GSTL at all... Likewise, in the NBA, mid-season, people typically rank teams based on either W/L % or highest differential, not based on who has the most wins at any one point in time. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
1. Coca had a total of 7 CWs to score 11 wins. 2. Symbol had a total of 5 CWs to score 10 wins. 3. Life had a total of 3 CWs to score 9 wins. 4. Gumiho had a total of 5 CWs to score 9 wins. 5. Puzzle had a total of 7 CWs to score 9 wins. The large difference in amounts of played CWs makes it really hard to make a fair choice. Symbol made the greatest difference with +8. Sniper scored the best win/loss ratio (excluding players with less than 5 wins) of 87.5%. Life scored the most wins/CW averaging a stunning 3 wins per CW. Which of these is most legitimate is up to GSL, personally I'd prefer a win/loss difference giving the award to Symbol or perhaps a weighed decision by a panel of people (eg. all GSL-team coaches and similar). | ||
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