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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
Tangent, I'm surprised nobody is crying SPOILERS! yet (thank god). | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:59 FairForever wrote: If you put it that way then the title is pretty misleading - I wouldn't say CoCa is #1 in the GSTL at all... Likewise, in the NBA, mid-season, people typically rank teams based on either W/L % or highest differential, not based on who has the most wins at any one point in time. I'm not sure, CoCa is #1 in the GSTL in terms of wins which is a perfectly valid metric. It might not be your preferred metric, but it's not biased or unfair. In tennis, Sharapova is #1 in the world according to points even though Serena Williams is arguably a better player, she just doesn't compete in as many tournaments. In the NBA, mid-season rankings are based on the assumption that all teams will eventually play the same number of games. As such, ranking teams by their winning percentage is a good indication of who will end up with the most wins. The comparison is obviously not valid for this situation, and even so, I think the NBA is an exception. The British Premier League is always ranked according to current points, and the same goes for pretty much every other league I've ever seen. If you really want to go into the subjective judgement of who was the best of the season, it should be noted that of all the players on the list, CoCa played the most games by far. That's perhaps indicative of how he was used. For one, it seems like Slayers relied more on Coca than MVP did on Sniper (7-1), for example. A player who goes 7-1 might be used more regularly as a closer or a sniper than a person who is 11-4 (who is very open to being sniped). I'm not arguing that CoCa was the best player this season, I'm just pointing out that there are reasons why most wins could be used as a metric for best player. But as I said in my first post, the posted article is about who won the most games, not about who the best player is. And the answer to that question is CoCa. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
final C -1 S (not played) semi-final C 3 S 1-1 round2 C 7-2 S -1 round1 C 1-1 S 9-0 I think it's very clear who was more valuable for his team overall. It's also worth noting that Coca did not perform nearly as well as Symbol in individual leagues outside of GSTL - that means Coca dedicated a lot of personal effort for his team and for GSTL, even if he might not be at the monster level Symbol is right now. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
What  Brown accomplished:
SlayerS_Brown: Your TRUE 2012 GSTL Season 2 MVP | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On July 29 2012 08:39 SomeONEx wrote: I say that 7-1 > 11-4, Sniper should be #1. Going by amount of wins no way man haha | ||
EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 29 2012 09:59 FairForever wrote: If you put it that way then the title is pretty misleading - I wouldn't say CoCa is #1 in the GSTL at all... Likewise, in the NBA, mid-season, people typically rank teams based on either W/L % or highest differential, not based on who has the most wins at any one point in time. Because NBA mid season ranks is important? By end of season, every team plays the same number of games. These rankings are fine. It is like most wins by a pitcher, most wins by goalie... | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On July 29 2012 10:22 figq wrote: Guys, this is team league, and includes elimination phase(s), instead of being full round-robin. This award is for being the most valuable player for his team, not for being the best player individually. That means, you are more valuable if you help your team play at higher stages, and also your wins there are more valuable. It's also a KotH format, which means you play either until you lose, or until your team wins. That makes your number of lost games less relevant than your number of won games. But let's just look at their record in all stages: final C -1 S (not played) semi-final C 3 S 1-1 round2 C 7-2 S -1 round1 C 1-1 S 9-0 I think it's very clear who was more valuable for his team overall. It's also worth noting that Coca did not perform nearly as well as Symbol in individual leagues outside of GSTL - that means Coca dedicated a lot of personal effort for his team and for GSTL, even if he might not be at the monster level Symbol is right now. the problem with this metric is that the Gold Card should be awarded to an FXO player, not a losing team's player i think that's how it's been done every other season | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On July 29 2012 11:24 NoGasfOu wrote: ....or maybe Gumiho should get the title since he won the most games on the most important day. this, MMA won the Gold Card in GSTL 2/3 even though he only won a handful of games. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Basically, the number of losses is almost irrelevant, you are supposed to lose every time you get out for your team, eventually, unless you close the whole match. A player with more losses just has played for his team a lot more. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1718 Posts
On July 29 2012 10:37 Thorzain wrote: CoCa so siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick :D too bad this is completely spoiled by the GSTL loss  (( so fucking sad. also, CoCa hasnt even returned to Code A yet oh well, yay CoCa.. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
I did not create that list of players you see in the OP. That was also done by TIG. I am not trying to prove anything by using those statistics. My job is to copy and paste  | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Basically is Coca getting an award, or just a tip of the hat? | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On July 29 2012 08:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I disagree with this assessment, for instance it shows Symbol as 10-2 which is better than 11-4 : D but I agree 3-0 shouldnt > 7-1 but 11-4 shouldn't > 7-1 imo I'm really not following this logic. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On July 29 2012 08:48 NoGasfOu wrote: I think Symbol and Life are more impressive with records of 10-2 and 9-2, respectively. Symbol is the king of them all with the highest winning percentage. wow your really good at looking at numbers | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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digmouse
China6332 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 5 of his kills are in the finals holy crap | ||
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
Symbol's GSTL run was far more impressive imo, without taking anything away from CoCa | ||
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