Genius joined Slayers, which is lead by the playing coach BoxeR.
On the 26th, Slayers team accepted the 'Free Spirit' Genius. Genius was known to be looking for a new team after leaving MVP. While he was on the look out he won his Code A match on the 24th while sitting on the seat that was meant to be used for Slayers' players. After winning on their seat, he showed interests in joining the team.
Genius is a protoss player, who has a total GSL Tour record of 73 wins 60 Losses and was the runner up in 2012 Hot XI GSL Code S Season 1. After his deperature from team MVP on June 14th, he finally found a new team after a little more than a month.
Regarding their released protoss player, Crank, Slayers stated that "Crank had a problem with the disk of his neck and is currently recieving treatment at home.Accusations of him leaving due to a fight within the team is false. We Hope Crank concentrates only on his recovery and we hope that everything turns out well. We hope we can see him back in the future.:
Slayers is a starcraft 2 team run by Coach Kim Ga Yeon (Jessica) and playing coach Lim Yo Hwan (BoxeR), and they are looking to win their third GSTL Championship in the upcoming GSTL Finals.
For some reason I can't picture Genius in a Slayers uniform. Looks like Slayers is back on track if they can keep MMA. MMA, Genius, Ryung, Coca and Puzzle are all Code S level talents.
Wow that is surprising with Genius wanting to go to a foreign team at first. Sad to hear about Crank, hopefully he can get the proper treatment soon and return to playing.
Wow this is crazy. SlayerS_Genius sounds so weird. I guess we'll have to get used to it! Considering SlayerS' performance so far, I look forward to a DRG-Genius rematch in GSTL. That would be so cool.
On July 26 2012 11:15 AgentW wrote: Is he eligible to play/will he play in the GSTL finals?
I believer GSTL finals rosters have already been set. Otherwise, possibly?
the rosters are set at the beginning of the GSTL season so any transfers during the season cannot play for their new teams. I remember from when Polt moved to TSL and sC moved to MvP neither were eligible to play that season
On July 26 2012 11:15 AgentW wrote: Is he eligible to play/will he play in the GSTL finals?
All GSTL rosters are set before the season even begins. If a player isn't on your roster at the start of a GSTL season then it is impossible for them to play.
What in the fuck. I can't even think how this came to be aside from every foreign team he was in talks with not being able to front the money he requested...this is awkward.
Damn this came from no where. This is awesome! Genius is a badass, and SlayerS is such a talented team, this could be an insane combination. If SlayerS can get Genius practicing like he should be he could become one of the scariest, if not the scariest, protoss in the GSL. He showed the potential in season 1.
Its a shame he can't be used in the GSTL finals. That would instantly change things, Leenock is on fire, but he couldn't take the trio of Puzzle, JYP, and Genius down. Next season is going to be interesting for SlayerS, regardless of what happens this weekend.
On July 26 2012 11:21 .Wraath wrote: Is this the first time where a Korean has left a well known team only to join another well known korean team?
I cant really think of any others as most have went to foreign teams...
zenex players lol
Zenex, Polt, sC, Clide technically July was on Prime at some point because he is the one that recruited Marineking DRG was associated with Slayers in some way
On July 26 2012 11:21 Heh_ wrote: Wait a sec... Crank has a slipped disc (sounds like it) and he's streaming like a boss? Something seems strange to me.
Streaming ladder games for fun at your own pace while relaxing at home is very different from a strict practice regimen in a crowded team house for at least 8 hours a day. Gratz to Genius and Slayers.
On July 26 2012 11:15 AgentW wrote: Is he eligible to play/will he play in the GSTL finals?
Unless they have changed the rules from last season, no he is not elligible this season. You can only play with the roster that you sign up with at the beginning of the season.
On July 26 2012 11:21 .Wraath wrote: Is this the first time where a Korean has left a well known team only to join another well known korean team?
I cant really think of any others as most have went to foreign teams...
zenex players lol
Zenex, Polt, sC, Clide technically July was on Prime at some point because he is the one that recruited Marineking DRG was associated with Slayers in some way
IIRC he was the first person to deny Boxer when he invited people to slayers relatively early (perhaps during the creation) of the slayers team
On July 26 2012 11:21 .Wraath wrote: Is this the first time where a Korean has left a well known team only to join another well known korean team?
I cant really think of any others as most have went to foreign teams...
zenex players lol
Zenex, Polt, sC, Clide technically July was on Prime at some point because he is the one that recruited Marineking DRG was associated with Slayers in some way
IIRC he was the first person to deny Boxer when he invited people to slayers relatively early (perhaps during the creation) of the slayers team
Yeah thats because DRG was worried about his Studies, he was just going to study and not do pro gaming but he MVP coach said to him that if he doesn't play well in progaming then he will pay 100% of DRG's fees!
Why does the thread about Crank not explaining MMA situation has a quote by Crank saying that he has lost his passion and wanted to lay back a bit and this thread states that he is injured. I'm honestly confused.
On July 26 2012 11:21 .Wraath wrote: Is this the first time where a Korean has left a well known team only to join another well known korean team?
I cant really think of any others as most have went to foreign teams...
zenex players lol
Zenex, Polt, sC, Clide technically July was on Prime at some point because he is the one that recruited Marineking DRG was associated with Slayers in some way
IIRC he was the first person to deny Boxer when he invited people to slayers relatively early (perhaps during the creation) of the slayers team
ah ok I knew there was some story about him and slayers but I didnt know exactly how it went
On July 26 2012 11:32 Waxangel wrote: neck disk? "hyper enteritis" woulda been more believable
That's more of a short term Korean medical excuse. If they're planning on keeping Crank out for a while, he'd need something a bit more "serious" (yet likely equally invented).
On July 26 2012 11:33 SpiZe wrote: Why does the thread about Crank not explaining MMA situation has a quote by Crank saying that he has lost his passion and wanted to lay back a bit and this thread states that he is injured. I'm honestly confused.
The quote is wrong. Or at least misleading. Wich io suspect this statement is as well.
He pretty much said he was tired of playing before, but he wants to play now. Then he said plenty of times "i just want to play game/practice" (or something like that)
On July 26 2012 11:15 AgentW wrote: Is he eligible to play/will he play in the GSTL finals?
Unless they have changed the rules from last season, no he is not elligible this season. You can only play with the roster that you sign up with at the beginning of the season.
On July 26 2012 11:33 SpiZe wrote: Why does the thread about Crank not explaining MMA situation has a quote by Crank saying that he has lost his passion and wanted to lay back a bit and this thread states that he is injured. I'm honestly confused.
umm this post was kind of hard to read, but crank said mma lost his passion, or he said he lost his own?
On July 26 2012 11:33 SpiZe wrote: Why does the thread about Crank not explaining MMA situation has a quote by Crank saying that he has lost his passion and wanted to lay back a bit and this thread states that he is injured. I'm honestly confused.
The quote is wrong. Or at least misleading. Wich io suspect this statement is as well.
He pretty much said he was tired of playing before, but he wants to play now. Then he said plenty of times "i just want to play game/practice" (or something like that)
He said that in response to the people who kept bothering him about MMA when he didn't want to talk about it. It had nothing to do with his passion
Congrats to Genius and Slayers! It seems like a bizarre pickup to me, because I was under the impression that Genius left MVP because he didn't like the practice environment and wanted to join a foreign team for money/tournaments. Seems like Slayers is the exact opposite of a good fit for him if that's the case. But what do I know. Looking forward to seeing him compete some more!
On July 26 2012 11:07 Str1keFreedom wrote: While he was on the look out he won his Code A match on the 24th while sitting on the seat that was meant to be used for Slayers' players. After winning on their seat, he showed interests in joining the team.
Amazing pick up by SlayerS, Genius is a top level player and will reach even higher with them. Also, I wish Crank a quick recovery! Those injuries are never fun!
Wow, looks like SlayerS are starting to rival StarTale in terms of "scariest Protosses". Alicia's crushing foreign tourneys, Puzzle's crushing in team league, and Genius is...well, he's Genius. Nice to see that they've balanced things out after being so Terran-centric for so long. It's that variety that makes them so dangerous in the GSTL right now.
Its odd but I think this is almost a bad thing for Slayers to pick up Genius at this current time.In my mind that bumps down alicia who i think is playing redic good right now.. Will be heart wrenching to either player when the situation of one or the other is presented~ Too much competition doesn't exist but just hope it doesn't drop Alicia's level cause hes doing really well! GL to Slayers seems like a lot of drama is going on but they evidently have a good foundation, nothing is cracking even with all the distractions!
On July 26 2012 11:53 Canucklehead wrote: So genius doesn't like to practice and joins the team with the strictest practice schedule? o_O
Maybe he realized that he has to put in the hours and step up his game if he still wants to play games for a living. No foreign team wanting him probably changed his view on things.
This could only be good for Slayers and Genius I think. I would like to know what the deal is with MMA still, but if they have to lose MMA slayers is still very strong!
I wasn't expecting him to join a Korean team either, but hey, it seems like a good pick-up for SlayerS and it looks good for Genius, considering SlayerS' current strength in their Protosses.
On July 26 2012 11:21 .Wraath wrote: Is this the first time where a Korean has left a well known team only to join another well known korean team?
I cant really think of any others as most have went to foreign teams...
zenex players lol
Polt?
Also Tester and FruitDealer who were both on oGs (as oGssSKS and oGsCool respectively) then TSL (as Trickster and Fruitdealer) then ST (again as Trickster and Fruitdealer)
On July 26 2012 11:54 SeismiC wrote: Wow, looks like SlayerS are starting to rival StarTale in terms of "scariest Protosses". Alicia's crushing foreign tourneys, Puzzle's crushing in team league, and Genius is...well, he's Genius. Nice to see that they've balanced things out after being so Terran-centric for so long. It's that variety that makes them so dangerous in the GSTL right now.
Congrats Genius. I thought he was subtly hinting something in his interview about thanking SlayerS and the chair bit the other day. Hmm... maybe now that story book with MMA and DRG needs a new chapter...
SlayerS_Jessica : I am actually the final boss of the game and BoxeR is like the last gate to open so I try not to appear much as the final boss. But I have a secret relationship with DRG so I finally appeared. BoxeR told me when he started forming a team that he wanted to have two players. DRG and MMA. In fact, DRG was in SlayerS even before the team MVP was formed. But DRG said the team house training is too tough and ran away from the house! Genius ran away with him! But they are practising well in MVP..!?
Ryung and MMA are still doing fine, they've become a little up and down but surely have the potential of getting a final or even a(nother) title. But still, the SlayerS's protoss line-up is sick. I was, initially, really excited to have read about NaDa's new team, but now I think Genius have made a better choice with SlayerS. He still has this little rivalry with DRG considering the (short) history about SlayerS and DRG.
SlayerS_Jessica : I am actually the final boss of the game and BoxeR is like the last gate to open so I try not to appear much as the final boss. But I have a secret relationship with DRG so I finally appeared. BoxeR told me when he started forming a team that he wanted to have two players. DRG and MMA. In fact, DRG was in SlayerS even before the team MVP was formed. But DRG said the team house training is too tough and ran away from the house! Genius ran away with him! But they are practising well in MVP..!?
SlayerS_Jessica : I am actually the final boss of the game and BoxeR is like the last gate to open so I try not to appear much as the final boss. But I have a secret relationship with DRG so I finally appeared. BoxeR told me when he started forming a team that he wanted to have two players. DRG and MMA. In fact, DRG was in SlayerS even before the team MVP was formed. But DRG said the team house training is too tough and ran away from the house! Genius ran away with him! But they are practising well in MVP..!?
Well shoot. Congrats to SlayerS! Hope BoxeR's genius and Genius's ...erm, intellect, ( :-D ) will produce some awesome and unique strategies in the future!
Really? A day after publicly disclosing internal SlayerS matters a player suddenly gets sick and is released from the team house? First rule of PR: always publish inconvenient news along with good ones to draw attention away from the things you don't want looked into. So far, it's working surprisingly well. Crank has a case of slipped tongue, not a disc.
On July 26 2012 13:12 DeCoder wrote: Really? A day after publicly disclosing internal SlayerS matters a player suddenly gets sick and is released from the team house? First rule of PR: always publish inconvenient news along with good ones to draw attention away from the things you don't want looked into. So far, it's working surprisingly well. Crank has a case of slipped tongue, not a disc.
On July 26 2012 12:57 beesinyoface wrote: Pretty great pick-up, Slayers can start to firmly establish themselves as a top-level team by adding Genius. Will be interesting to see them perform!
start to be top-level... after winning two gstl finals, having the best player in the world for a couple months, had terran players that completely changed all match-ups, and in the gstl finals this season... yea i cant wait for them to be a top team
On July 26 2012 13:12 DeCoder wrote: Really? A day after publicly disclosing internal SlayerS matters a player suddenly gets sick and is released from the team house? First rule of PR: always publish inconvenient news along with good ones to draw attention away from the things you don't want looked into. So far, it's working surprisingly well. Crank has a case of slipped tongue, not a disc.
im prety sure hes been released since the anouncement, its just that slayers released a statement now
I hope Koreans learn from this that it's probably rarely ideal to join a foreign team in hopes of making a quick buck. I'd rather see the scene consolidate and lots of these bottom feeder teams turn into amateur clans. But what do I know? Taeja just won MLG summer, so playing the odds is still feasible, it seems.
Isn't this Genius' second go in team SlayerS? If he left SlayerS for MVP and then left MVP because of practice, what makes SlayerS think he will stick around for very long?
On July 26 2012 13:44 bucckevin wrote: Isn't this Genius' second go in team SlayerS? If he left SlayerS for MVP and then left MVP because of practice, what makes SlayerS think he will stick around for very long?
Genius was never on Slayers. Before MVP he was on Nex/Zenex
On July 26 2012 13:44 bucckevin wrote: Isn't this Genius' second go in team SlayerS? If he left SlayerS for MVP and then left MVP because of practice, what makes SlayerS think he will stick around for very long?
Genius was never on Slayers. Before MVP he was on Nex/Zenex
I never figured Genius for a training beast, something he's going to have to be at Slayers. This could either be very good for him or we will see him teamless sooner then later.
On July 26 2012 14:02 Lysanias wrote: I never figured Genius for a training beast, something he's going to have to be at Slayers. This could either be very good for him or we will see him teamless sooner then later.
Grats Genius and Slayers both.
Yea It's quite interesting cause Genius is quite notorious for being a bit of a slacker. I'm sure he was informed of the rules of the house before he joined. Didn't he have problems with the MVP coach which is why he left? Does anyone remember any specifics?
On July 26 2012 13:44 bucckevin wrote: Isn't this Genius' second go in team SlayerS? If he left SlayerS for MVP and then left MVP because of practice, what makes SlayerS think he will stick around for very long?
I believe Genius was on Slayers briefly when the team was just a clan.
On July 26 2012 14:36 X3GoldDot wrote: wow,fxo's chances have been severeely reducted if he can play i mean
He can't. Also would be pretty shitty for team morale if they let the new guy, who did nothing to get them to the finals, take a playing spot in the grand finals over a guy who helped them contribute.
So he's becoming a coach again? I guess it was inevitable; he was always known to be great in practice, but couldn't get it together on stage. Plus he was a coach in BW, so this move makes sense (if I'm reading that tweet right).
Well if the rumors of MMA being demoted due to lack in practice hours then it seems Genius is going straight to the B team lol. On a more serious note, I hope they make him practice like the Slayers team is known to
cool for slayers. I'm surprised he wasn't picked up by a foreign team! Cool for him though that he'll be able to keep practicing in a team house, apparently he's been a bit down since his last serious code S run.
On July 26 2012 11:07 Str1keFreedom wrote: ... was the runner up in 2012 Hot XI GSL Code S Season 1.
Also, I think, OP, you mean hot VI (Six) not hot XI (Eleven).
♥ Genius, He would be unstoppable with the right practice.
The Crank situation seems very shady, I saw him say several times say "no team" in a skype conv. Why would he change his twitter and everything for an injury. "Secret House", "Can't show my face", why not just announce it sooner. Something went on that they are trying to cover up.
Great pickup ! I didn't anticipated that at all but Genius is a genius and i love SlayerS, this is perfect, I won't have to pick between rooting for genius or his slayers opponent anymore ;D
im so happy that Genius joined to korean team!! Also very nice pickup from SlayerS. If genius is allowed to play for SlayerS in GSTL Finals they are looking so good to win it all.
On July 26 2012 16:29 HotShizz wrote: cool for slayers. I'm surprised he wasn't picked up by a foreign team! Cool for him though that he'll be able to keep practicing in a team house, apparently he's been a bit down since his last serious code S run.
Ermahgerd!!!!!!!!!!!!! So awesome!!! I really hope that Genius will be able to motivate and train hard now in the new team! Best of luck my favorite protoss! Genius fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On July 26 2012 17:08 dabom88 wrote: Genius really hops around teams. Nex, Zenex, NSP/NS Hoseo, MVP, now Slayers.
Is that a record?
Not really team hopping, most of those were clans.
Genius was on NSP (the clan NSHS now draws talent from), but he was never on NSHS. Then he switched to NEX clan, and joined ZENEX, which was the team formed from players from the clans Zenith and NEX and then he left and then joined MVP after a while. So SlayerS is his 3rd team.
Its a good pick up for SlayerS, but I don't get the idea that Genius is really a fit for SlayerS, I get the impression that SlayerS is pretty strict, especially compared to MVP which seemed like one of the most relaxed teams.
hahahaaa genius probly left mvp because they made fun of him for carriers too much so he joined what is probably the strongest team right now and is most likely planning on getting sweet revenge in the team leagues.
Not happy about this, really. I like watching Slayers raise new talent. He also has a history of being a bit of a slacker, and Slayers is pretty strict.
On July 26 2012 17:08 dabom88 wrote: Genius really hops around teams. Nex, Zenex, NSP/NS Hoseo, MVP, now Slayers.
Is that a record?
Not really team hopping, most of those were clans.
Genius was on NSP (the clan NSHS now draws talent from), but he was never on NSHS. Then he switched to NEX clan, and joined ZENEX, which was the team formed from players from the clans Zenith and NEX and then he left and then joined MVP after a while. So SlayerS is his 3rd team.
Its a good pick up for SlayerS, but I don't get the idea that Genius is really a fit for SlayerS, I get the idea that SlayerS is pretty strict, especially compared to MVP which seemed like one of the most relaxed teams.
Maybe he's hungry for another finals? Or maybe SlayerS promised him that he could play d3 as often as he liked as long as he practiced one day a week? :p
But jokes aside, Genius was always a bit of a slacker, and MMA was (supposedly) booted for not practicing enough..? Or was it Crank? Either way SlayerS, (especially) BoXer, has high demands for training periods, so we'll have to see how Genius lives up to that.....
Right on, slayers has some pretty good protoss power now ! happy genius found a good team, im sure he'll fit in well and continue to impress in the GSL
On July 27 2012 00:57 Pachwa wrote: Is Genius allowed to play in GSTL finals this weekend?
no rosters are finalized at the start of the season
Don't they also allow roster changes mid season too? I remember the season of FXO and F United teams could add players they aquired between when FXO left and F United came in, I don't remember if it was because of how different that format was or not
For some reason, I don't like this. I was expecting a foreign team. Especially since there's been a lot of drama with the slayers team recently. Why did he leave MvP in the first place only to join another Korean team?
I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team.
Awesome pick-up by SlayerS and having Genius on board will definitely help out a lot not only in team leagues but also for the players to get an awesome P practice partner. Best of luck to SlayerS and Genius and congratulations to both as well.
Holy damn I have to change my team support label to SlayerS if the whole thing with MMA boils down. Which it appears to have done. I love Genius and I have always wanted to support SlayerS, but just haven't found the right stuff in them. THIS IS IT!
EDIT: Just wanted to say that I feel like SlayerS has been slipping lately in popularity but this could be a resurgence. GSTL is the + Show Spoiler +
On July 27 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote: I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team.
I think Genius' aversion to practice is overstated. He likes to brag that he doesn't put much effort into maintaining Code S, but in season 1 we saw he had the ability to turn it on.
Plus he was an ex-BW pro (fellow Terran b-teamer with Idra in fact). So it's not like he doesn't know how to grind out games.
The Crank thing just gets stranger by the day... I wonder if it's related to the MMA thing; but I guess we won't be finding out.
Genius is one player that has been on the brink of the abyss numerous times - Honest to God, I wouldn't have thought that he'd prove to have such perseverance. I thought he would go the Tester and Fruitdealer-path, considering how weird and unstable his play was for a period of time. Now he is one of the few remaining players who's been on top pretty much since release.
On July 27 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote: I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team.
I think Genius' aversion to practice is overstated. He likes to brag that he doesn't put much effort into maintaining Code S, but in season 1 we saw he had the ability to turn it on.
Plus he was an ex-BW pro (fellow Terran b-teamer with Idra in fact). So it's not like he doesn't know how to grind out games.
The Crank thing just gets stranger by the day... I wonder if it's related to the MMA thing; but I guess we won't be finding out.
"Regarding their released protoss player, Crank, Slayers stated that "Crank had a problem with the disk of his neck and is currently recieving treatment at home.Accusations of him leaving due to a fight within the team is false. We Hope Crank concentrates only on his recovery and we hope that everything turns out well. We hope we can see him back in the future.:"
On July 27 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote: I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team.
I think Genius' aversion to practice is overstated. He likes to brag that he doesn't put much effort into maintaining Code S, but in season 1 we saw he had the ability to turn it on.
Plus he was an ex-BW pro (fellow Terran b-teamer with Idra in fact). So it's not like he doesn't know how to grind out games.
The Crank thing just gets stranger by the day... I wonder if it's related to the MMA thing; but I guess we won't be finding out.
"Regarding their released protoss player, Crank, Slayers stated that "Crank had a problem with the disk of his neck and is currently recieving treatment at home.Accusations of him leaving due to a fight within the team is false. We Hope Crank concentrates only on his recovery and we hope that everything turns out well. We hope we can see him back in the future.:"
On July 27 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote: I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team.
I think Genius' aversion to practice is overstated. He likes to brag that he doesn't put much effort into maintaining Code S, but in season 1 we saw he had the ability to turn it on.
Plus he was an ex-BW pro (fellow Terran b-teamer with Idra in fact). So it's not like he doesn't know how to grind out games.
The Crank thing just gets stranger by the day... I wonder if it's related to the MMA thing; but I guess we won't be finding out.
"Regarding their released protoss player, Crank, Slayers stated that "Crank had a problem with the disk of his neck and is currently recieving treatment at home.Accusations of him leaving due to a fight within the team is false. We Hope Crank concentrates only on his recovery and we hope that everything turns out well. We hope we can see him back in the future.:"
still smells fishy haha
Exactly, I read the op, I just don't buy it (especially with what people are saying about Crank's stream).
On July 27 2012 07:51 Chunhyang wrote: A betrayal. You were like a brother to me!!!! - DRG
But truly, that's the last team I would have expected Genius to join. Soon he too will become an expressionless mask.
actually, thinking about it, this does make a pretty interesting storyline. Genius leaving his best friends team to join the team of his best friends greatest rival. I think we need another chapter to that DRG and MMA storybook =p
On July 27 2012 07:51 Chunhyang wrote: A betrayal. You were like a brother to me!!!! - DRG
But truly, that's the last team I would have expected Genius to join. Soon he too will become an expressionless mask.
If I remember correctly, it was revealed shortly before the Blizzard Cup 2011 that DRG and Genius were at SlayerS for a trial period. In a strange sense, Genius is coming home.
Let's hope DRG doesn't also change his mind ... then it would be the Global SlayerS League.
Feels a bit wierd tho since he streams alot nowadays. Also he wont say why he got kicked/left SlayerS on his stream, seems like it doesn't have anything to do with an injury, because then he could just say he got injured and thats why he left/got kicked. And why would he search for a foreign team if it's just an injury.
Jessica tweeted something like stop trying to act friendly to our team members (or stop talking to our team members).
Regardless who is at fault, I am pretty sure there is something behind this whole stir-up. MMA is too great of an asset for the team to release and Slayers' image is already stained due to poor PR (at least in Korean scene), the team decided to keep MMA, release Crank and fabricate a story to tie up the ends.
What caused this too happen? No one knows except "them," but it was a smart decision to not disclose any information.
One of the things I love about Genius is his frightening 1-base play. It can absolutely wreck, and the threat of him doing those things keep you scared.
Player leaves team the same time a major controversial thing happens (MMA situation), the team cites a injury. RIGHT AFTER being released for injury the player starts streaming like 8-10 hours a day (and talks about how he practices on the Korean server AFTER playing 8-10 hours a day), taking #1 in the NA ladder in 3-4 days. This all being after the "injured" player qualified for IPL 5. No one finds this odd, at all?
Cmon, where are the "journalists" on this one.........
On August 06 2012 08:01 Diamond wrote: Player leaves team the same time a major controversial thing happens (MMA situation), the team cites a injury. RIGHT AFTER being released for injury the player starts streaming like 8-10 hours a day (and talks about how he practices on the Korean server AFTER playing 8-10 hours a day), taking #1 in the NA ladder in 3-4 days. This all being after the "injured" player qualified for IPL 5. No one finds this odd, at all?
Cmon, where are the "journalists" on this one.........
On August 06 2012 08:01 Diamond wrote: Player leaves team the same time a major controversial thing happens (MMA situation), the team cites a injury. RIGHT AFTER being released for injury the player starts streaming like 8-10 hours a day (and talks about how he practices on the Korean server AFTER playing 8-10 hours a day), taking #1 in the NA ladder in 3-4 days. This all being after the "injured" player qualified for IPL 5. No one finds this odd, at all?
Cmon, where are the "journalists" on this one.........
On August 06 2012 08:01 Diamond wrote: Player leaves team the same time a major controversial thing happens (MMA situation), the team cites a injury. RIGHT AFTER being released for injury the player starts streaming like 8-10 hours a day (and talks about how he practices on the Korean server AFTER playing 8-10 hours a day), taking #1 in the NA ladder in 3-4 days. This all being after the "injured" player qualified for IPL 5. No one finds this odd, at all?
Cmon, where are the "journalists" on this one.........
Could you try to find out for us? Chances are your connections to the team are much better than mine.
Crank definitely left for a reason other than injury, but who cares? They like to keep it to themselves so let it be. What he seems to be doing is trying to attract the attention of foreign teams by dominating the NA ladder - Violet, Forgg, Shutte, Vines. Also, I think he prefers Liquid, re: LiquidBisu id.
On August 06 2012 09:19 Surrealistic wrote: Crank definitely left for a reason other than injury, but who cares? They like to keep it to themselves so let it be. What he seems to be doing is trying to attract the attention of foreign teams by dominating the NA ladder - Violet, Forgg, Shutte, Vines. Also, I think he prefers Liquid, re: LiquidBisu id.
LiquidBisu ID was an account I gave to him and made the ID. Was my old smurf.
Edit: Funny note, that account was going to be named "EGJaedong" but dong is blocked by battle.net.....
After several weeks of Jessica's random spats of rage on Twitter at someone she didn't mention.
Crank: As expected. I definitely spent over 2 hours talking with them and thought we came to an understanding. I'm an idiot for even attempting to talk it out. I really want to applaud their determination. If there's something you want to say please do it over the phone whoever it is. Don't write it on Twitter.
I had neck pain so I returned home to rest, and I couldn't see eye to eye with the team's management policies so I tried many times to talk with them but nothing changed so I left the team. But then the next day the article says I had neck disk problems. Is there even time to bother about a nobody like me. Please just stop talking behind my back. I'm getting so much stress.
팀의 운영방침을 선수가 이래라저래라 하는게 말이나 되니.. 사람들이 귀찮게 한다고 해서 원하는대로 좋게 포장해드렷자나. 목디스크로 간단하게말야.. 잠시 쉬러간다고하고선 팀탈퇴한다고 정식으로 통보하나없이 맘대로 팀탈퇴행세를 시작한게 누구니.. 타팀이나 해외팀 갈 맘이 아니라.쉬고 싶다고 하더니.. 버젓이 해외팀찾아요~~가던말던 너의.의지이지만 웃겨서 그래 ^^해외팀 가거들랑 팀의 운영방침이 맘에 안들어도 꾹 참길 바란다.운영은 선수의 몫이 아니란다. 전화로 하고싶다만.. 본인 할말만...주장만.. .트위터 팔로 끊더니만.. 다시 내가 뭐래는지 볼려고 팔로잉 하니... 그에 맞게 타임라인에 써드려야지..
On August 06 2012 12:28 Clefairy wrote: After several weeks of Jessica's random spats of rage on Twitter at someone she didn't mention.
Crank: As expected. I definitely spent over 2 hours talking with them and thought we came to an understanding. I'm an idiot for even attempting to talk it out. I really want to applaud their determination. If there's something you want to say please do it over the phone whoever it is. Don't write it on Twitter.
I had neck pain so I returned home to rest, and I couldn't see eye to eye with the team's management policies so I tried many times to talk with them but nothing changed so I left the team. But then the next day the article says I had neck disk problems. Is there even time to bother about a nobody like me. Please just stop talking behind my back. I'm getting so much stress.
팀의 운영방침을 선수가 이래라저래라 하는게 말이나 되니.. 사람들이 귀찮게 한다고 해서 원하는대로 좋게 포장해드렷자나. 목디스크로 간단하게말야.. 잠시 쉬러간다고하고선 팀탈퇴한다고 정식으로 통보하나없이 맘대로 팀탈퇴행세를 시작한게 누구니.. 타팀이나 해외팀 갈 맘이 아니라.쉬고 싶다고 하더니.. 버젓이 해외팀찾아요~~가던말던 너의.의지이지만 웃겨서 그래 ^^해외팀 가거들랑 팀의 운영방침이 맘에 안들어도 꾹 참길 바란다.운영은 선수의 몫이 아니란다.
assumign this is jessica's reply...
Jessica Does it even make sense for a player to be telling the team how to run everything.. People would have bothered you about it so I embellished everything like you wanted. To neck disk problems for simplicity.. Who's the one that said they'd just be resting for a while but started acting like they'd already left the team without even giving us any notice about leaving the team..
You said you didn't want to go to another team or a foreign team and just wanted to rest.. Then you start looking for a foreign team~~ Whether you go or not, it's your will but it's because it's just funny is all ^^ Go to a foreign team and even if you don't like their management policies I hope you bear with it. Management isn't a player's role.
I want to say this over the phone.. But you just said what you wanted... Your argument.. and stopped following me.. Will you follow me again to see what I said... I should write it again on my timeline timed with when that happens..
On August 06 2012 13:01 opterown wrote: ohoho twitter wars; thanks clefairy for the trans!
You sound really excited but I'm not sure if this is exciting at all ;o I feel bad for Crank.
i feel bad for crank, but i kinda want to see how badly jessica can dig herself a hole again... lol tbh for whatever foreign team that picks him up, i doubt the jessica excommunication factor will be that significant
there's more:
모든 진실을 말하는 순간이 안오길 다들 기도해라. 애써 참고있다. 가슴에 묻고 떠날지...패거리와 그 입김넣는... 이 바닥전체가 흔들리지 않게... 내 선수들에게 모략질하고 내 선수들 괴롭힌 너희들...내가 너희의 실체를 가지고 있다. 팬분들... 이걸 왈가왈부하지마요. 모두가 보라고 올립니다. 모두가 봐야하니까요. 그들의 행동에 책임지게 될 날이 올거에요. 빙산의 일각.....
On August 06 2012 13:01 opterown wrote: ohoho twitter wars; thanks clefairy for the trans!
You sound really excited but I'm not sure if this is exciting at all ;o I feel bad for Crank.
i feel bad for crank, but i kinda want to see how badly jessica can dig herself a hole again... lol tbh for whatever foreign team that picks him up, i doubt the jessica excommunication factor will be that significant
Eh, if they talk it out over the phone like the last tweet seems to imply she wants things'll probably end OK
On August 06 2012 13:01 opterown wrote: ohoho twitter wars; thanks clefairy for the trans!
You sound really excited but I'm not sure if this is exciting at all ;o I feel bad for Crank.
i feel bad for crank, but i kinda want to see how badly jessica can dig herself a hole again... lol tbh for whatever foreign team that picks him up, i doubt the jessica excommunication factor will be that significant
Eh, if they talk it out over the phone like the last tweet seems to imply she wants things'll probably end OK
This is Jessica, past experience says probability is low
Jessica: Pray that the moment I reveal everything doesn't come. I'm restraining myself. Whether I'll keep it inside till death...The gang trying to influence... To make sure this entire scene isn't shaken... Those who were scheming and troubling my players... I know of your true nature.
Fans... Don't argue over this. I'm posting this so everyone can see. Because everyone has to see. The day they pay for their actions will come.
The tip of the iceberg.....
Crank: Sorry. I shouldn't be responding to it. I won't poop on twitter anymore.
On August 06 2012 13:23 Clefairy wrote: Jessica: Pray that the moment I reveal everything doesn't come. I'm restraining myself. Whether I'll keep it inside till death...The gang trying to influence... To make sure this entire scene isn't shaken... Those who were scheming and troubling my players... I know of your true nature.
Fans... Don't argue over this. I'm posting this so everyone can see. Because everyone has to see. The day they pay for their actions will come.
The tip of the iceberg.....
Crank: Sorry. I shouldn't be responding to it. I won't poop on twitter anymore.
zomg jessica sounds like quite the nasty person hahaha
these flame wars on twitter are so annoying. I guess Crank did do something really bad, or Jessica just desperately want to tarnish her and SlayerS' public image. Either way, I hope this'll end soon
On August 06 2012 13:23 Clefairy wrote: Jessica: Pray that the moment I reveal everything doesn't come. I'm restraining myself. Whether I'll keep it inside till death...The gang trying to influence... To make sure this entire scene isn't shaken... Those who were scheming and troubling my players... I know of your true nature.
Fans... Don't argue over this. I'm posting this so everyone can see. Because everyone has to see. The day they pay for their actions will come.
The tip of the iceberg.....
Crank: Sorry. I shouldn't be responding to it. I won't poop on twitter anymore.
zomg jessica sounds like quite the nasty person hahaha
What I am more interested in, is what the hell is she muttering about. "Scheming and troubling her players", "shaken scene" "and your true nature"? I am not sure if she is not exaggerating, why the hell something that happened in SlayerS house would have impact on the whole scene?
On August 06 2012 13:30 willoc wrote: Wow. I never thought I would say this but I don't like Slayers anymore.
Well, this isn't the first time something like this has happened. But remember that the players likely have nothing to do with this. It isn't like they just sit around killing kittens and going "Hey Jessica, it would be totally awesome if you would call out Crank on Twitter!"
Still, you are free to like and hate whatever team you please.
I think Jessica did nothing wrong here. Crank said something.. she responded with her version of the exact same events.. case closed.. to me its Crank that comes off looking bad in all this
On August 06 2012 13:36 Jepsyn wrote: I think Jessica did nothing wrong here. Crank said something.. she responded with her version of the exact same events.. case closed.. to me its Crank that comes off looking bad in all this
she sounds a damn lot more nasty than crank did haha
On August 06 2012 13:23 Clefairy wrote: Jessica: Pray that the moment I reveal everything doesn't come. I'm restraining myself. Whether I'll keep it inside till death...The gang trying to influence... To make sure this entire scene isn't shaken... Those who were scheming and troubling my players... I know of your true nature.
Fans... Don't argue over this. I'm posting this so everyone can see. Because everyone has to see. The day they pay for their actions will come.
The tip of the iceberg.....
Crank: Sorry. I shouldn't be responding to it. I won't poop on twitter anymore.
zomg jessica sounds like quite the nasty person hahaha
What I am more interested in, is what the hell is she muttering about. "Scheming and troubling her players", "shaken scene" "and your true nature"? I am not sure if she is not exaggerating, why the hell something that happened in SlayerS house would have impact on the whole scene?
It sounds like the sort of ominous language that's supposed to happen in spy novels, when some 50 year old post-WWII top secret program almost starts WWIII or some doomsday scenario.
Even though I'm aware of her acting background, I'm completely fascinated that Jessica is able to speak this way, especially in tweets.
On August 06 2012 13:30 willoc wrote: Wow. I never thought I would say this but I don't like Slayers anymore.
Well, this isn't the first time something like this has happened. But remember that the players likely have nothing to do with this. It isn't like they just sit around killing kittens and going "Hey Jessica, it would be totally awesome if you would call out Crank on Twitter!"
Still, you are free to like and hate whatever team you please.
It's true, the players have nothing to do with this but the team certainly does have a manager that influences the way a team heads. I love players like Boxers and Ryung though but even they cannot subsidize the damage that is happening.
On August 06 2012 13:23 Clefairy wrote: Jessica: Pray that the moment I reveal everything doesn't come. I'm restraining myself. Whether I'll keep it inside till death...The gang trying to influence... To make sure this entire scene isn't shaken... Those who were scheming and troubling my players... I know of your true nature.
Fans... Don't argue over this. I'm posting this so everyone can see. Because everyone has to see. The day they pay for their actions will come.
The tip of the iceberg.....
Crank: Sorry. I shouldn't be responding to it. I won't poop on twitter anymore.
zomg jessica sounds like quite the nasty person hahaha
What I am more interested in, is what the hell is she muttering about. "Scheming and troubling her players", "shaken scene" "and your true nature"? I am not sure if she is not exaggerating, why the hell something that happened in SlayerS house would have impact on the whole scene?
It sounds like the sort of ominous language that's supposed to happen in spy novels, when some 50 year old post-WWII top secret program almost starts WWIII or some doomsday scenario.
Even though I'm aware of her acting background, I'm completely fascinated that Jessica is able to speak this way, especially in tweets.
Yeah I guess so, I think she found a connection between SC2 Korea pros with North Korea nuclear program...
On August 06 2012 13:30 willoc wrote: Wow. I never thought I would say this but I don't like Slayers anymore.
Well, this isn't the first time something like this has happened. But remember that the players likely have nothing to do with this. It isn't like they just sit around killing kittens and going "Hey Jessica, it would be totally awesome if you would call out Crank on Twitter!"
Still, you are free to like and hate whatever team you please.
It's true, the players have nothing to do with this but the team certainly does have a manager that influences the way a team heads. I love players like Boxers and Ryung though but even they cannot subsidize the damage that is happening.
For me personally I just take the good with the bad regarding Jessica. Sure, she can be a bit aggressive and a bit of a controversy magnet, but she does put a lot of time and effort into the team (see the documentary Boxer's Wings), and there is a reason why most Slayers players thank her in winners' interviews (hell, even Clide just thanked her and Boxer in his interview as KT assistant coach).
She's a complex character for sure, but I like to think that the work she does on a daily basis offsets and balances out the occasional drama. I wish she didn't have to take things out the way she does, but...PR misteps happen.
That women puts a shitload of time and effort into helping run that team. She may appear as rather aggressive on twitter, but she is the mother figure on SlayerS, she is just trying to protect a team she has spent alot of time and energy on to help raise.
With the way the internet is nowdays I'm just suprised it doesnt happen more with other people lol.
I didn't see anything wrong with her tweets until that last one. Assuming that last one is accurate. I like to give Jessica the benefit of the doubt. From a PR perspective she's not really the greatest at it, but she does a damn fine job with the team.
Though I'm pretty sure she could have said nothing at all and that would somehow be drama, or she could wish him good luck and that would be construed as sarcastic because this community likes to do that. She really only had the one real PR nightmare incident, everything else was blown way out of proportion. Not really sure what the western SC2 community has against Jessica.
On August 06 2012 13:51 6BiT wrote: That women puts a shitload of time and effort into helping run that team. She may appear as rather aggressive on twitter, but she is the mother figure on SlayerS, she is just trying to protect a team she has spent alot of time and energy on to help raise.
With the way the internet is nowdays I'm just suprised it doesnt happen more with other people lol.
Much respect Jessica, nuff said.
Yeah, putting jokes aside, I heard she chose to help run the team while giving up her own career. That is a hell of a commitment if you ask me.
On August 06 2012 13:51 6BiT wrote: That women puts a shitload of time and effort into helping run that team. She may appear as rather aggressive on twitter, but she is the mother figure on SlayerS, she is just trying to protect a team she has spent alot of time and energy on to help raise.
With the way the internet is nowdays I'm just suprised it doesnt happen more with other people lol.
Much respect Jessica, nuff said.
Yeah, putting jokes aside, I heard she chose to help run the team while giving up her own career. That is a hell of a commitment if you ask me.
Yea... I think people don't give her enough credit. First of all Crank really shouldn't talk like that on twitter nor should Jessica. So I'm not takin ANY sides.
BUT. If it's true that Crank was in talks with foreign teams, while on a "Sick"leave then I'm really not that surprised about Jessica's reaction... She puts a lot of effort into the team, and Crank basically back stabbed her and Boxer + created a shit storm on Twitter.
Golden and Sleep wanted to leave - They left. It's that Simple(In my eyes).
EDIT@
And I forgot one more thing. After Jessica said on twitter that she will release something about him if he doesn't stop, then he suddenly changed his perspective... So i don't know. Might be just a coincidence tho... lol
Guys who are jumping on the Jessica drama train, read this again:
"Jessica Does it even make sense for a player to be telling the team how to run everything.. People would have bothered you about it so I embellished everything like you wanted. To neck disk problems for simplicity.. Who's the one that said they'd just be resting for a while but started acting like they'd already left the team without even giving us any notice about leaving the team..
You said you didn't want to go to another team or a foreign team and just wanted to rest.. Then you start looking for a foreign team~~ Whether you go or not, it's your will but it's because it's just funny is all ^^ Go to a foreign team and even if you don't like their management policies I hope you bear with it. Management isn't a player's role."
What is wrong with this tweet? She doesn't come off as bad at all imo. The second tweet is more ominous and comes off worse, but this is the one with all the content anyways, and she doesn't come off as wanting to start drama. Plus it looks like Crank pulled a Dragon which is pretty retarded.
Although I like Crank's play ever since I saw him stream a year ago, I think Crank has the same problem with Dragon. Crank and Dragon joined SlayerS team for a while, but still on "B" team and didn't live in the team house. Then they moved in the team house, and both seemed to not comfortable living in a team environment, and both moved out and look for a new team without informing SlayerS.
On August 06 2012 15:27 canikizu wrote: Although I like Crank's play ever since I saw him stream a year ago, I think Crank has the same problem with Dragon. Crank and Dragon joined SlayerS team for a while, but still on "B" team and didn't live in the team house. Then they moved in the team house, and both seemed to not comfortable living in a team environment, and both moved out and look for a new team without informing SlayerS.
I don't think thats really the case for CranK. He was on SKT after all.
On August 06 2012 15:27 canikizu wrote: Although I like Crank's play ever since I saw him stream a year ago, I think Crank has the same problem with Dragon. Crank and Dragon joined SlayerS team for a while, but still on "B" team and didn't live in the team house. Then they moved in the team house, and both seemed to not comfortable living in a team environment, and both moved out and look for a new team without informing SlayerS.
I don't think thats really the case for CranK. He was on SKT after all.
When crank fixes his disc he is going to be so badass. If you watched NASL last night he was on a roll in The Gauntlet. Also, I heard word that earlier that night he was beating the snot out of Sheth. If anyone could confirm/deny that, that would be nice.
On August 07 2012 00:38 Torte de Lini wrote: ): I wish SlayerS would hire a good PR person.
just get cella to do all public stuff, then when its really horrible and rude people will just go
awwww so cute.
On August 07 2012 00:43 Bagi wrote: I wonder, how much of this can be chalked to cultural differences?
I couldn't imagine a western team manager make so much forced drama and discuss such things on twitter of all places.
pretty much every western team owner loves to shoot the shit when it concerns another team, they just shut up when it involves their own people. so atleast jessica is consistent?
On August 07 2012 00:14 BlindKill wrote: what if the entire sc2 scene is matchfixed like WWE and Jessica just threatened to spill the beans?! :o
On August 06 2012 15:27 canikizu wrote: Although I like Crank's play ever since I saw him stream a year ago, I think Crank has the same problem with Dragon. Crank and Dragon joined SlayerS team for a while, but still on "B" team and didn't live in the team house. Then they moved in the team house, and both seemed to not comfortable living in a team environment, and both moved out and look for a new team without informing SlayerS.
What Dragon didn't like was his short 1 month stay at the slayers house cause he was only a B teamer, then decided to quit competitive gaming and dedicate himself his actual job (since he wasnt getting paid in slayers) so he decided to leave slayers. Later on he re-thought his situation and decided he made the wrong decision and wanted to go back to competitive gaming but it was too late to go back to slayers, and even if he did go back he wouldn't get any support or a salary, so he decided to look for a foreign team. This is somewhat off topic, but just putting it out so people will stop having wrong assumptions
SlayerS doesn't have a shred of understanding of what the international community thinks of Jessica and her drama. She was center stage at the GSL finals, seemingly more than BoxeR and Cella. Until she learns to control herself she needs to be put in the back somewhere, rather than feeding her more attention.
It looked like she was making personnel decisions during the GSTL finals, which I hope isn't the case. BoxeR and Cella made that team what it was in GSTL as far as coaching goes. I have no idea why Cella seemed to be completely shoved into the background of the team.
On August 07 2012 01:00 jestlolk wrote: SlayerS doesn't have a shred of understanding of what the international community thinks of Jessica and her drama. She was center stage at the GSL finals, seemingly more than BoxeR and Cella. Until she learns to control herself she needs to be put in the back somewhere, rather than feeding her more attention.
It looked like she was making personnel decisions during the GSTL finals, which I hope isn't the case. BoxeR and Cella made that team what it was in GSTL as far as coaching goes. I have no idea why Cella seemed to be completely shoved into the background of the team.
People give Jessica a lot of crap but to be fair she had to deal with a boatload of shit already. People leaving and getting poached, coca getting into trouble,...
I feel like Jessica handles things a bit badly. I think ppl would stop giving her as much crap if she dealt with things less publicly. I must say it's fun to have drama in esports though lol.
On August 06 2012 15:25 zefreak wrote: Guys who are jumping on the Jessica drama train, read this again:
"Jessica Does it even make sense for a player to be telling the team how to run everything.. People would have bothered you about it so I embellished everything like you wanted. To neck disk problems for simplicity.. Who's the one that said they'd just be resting for a while but started acting like they'd already left the team without even giving us any notice about leaving the team..
You said you didn't want to go to another team or a foreign team and just wanted to rest.. Then you start looking for a foreign team~~ Whether you go or not, it's your will but it's because it's just funny is all ^^ Go to a foreign team and even if you don't like their management policies I hope you bear with it. Management isn't a player's role."
What is wrong with this tweet? She doesn't come off as bad at all imo. The second tweet is more ominous and comes off worse, but this is the one with all the content anyways, and she doesn't come off as wanting to start drama. Plus it looks like Crank pulled a Dragon which is pretty retarded.
What's wrong about the tweet is the fact that is just that, a tweet. I feel like someone that is managing a team professionally should not respond to the player in person but rather release an official statement on their twitter, facebook, website or whatever they see fit. Much like what is done in basically every professional sport there is, statements are released on webpages and through journalists while addressing the whole situation and not just responding to a few tweets made by a player.
TL;DR: Jessica could, and should, handle this more professionally since she is a professional.
On August 06 2012 15:25 zefreak wrote: Guys who are jumping on the Jessica drama train, read this again:
"Jessica Does it even make sense for a player to be telling the team how to run everything.. People would have bothered you about it so I embellished everything like you wanted. To neck disk problems for simplicity.. Who's the one that said they'd just be resting for a while but started acting like they'd already left the team without even giving us any notice about leaving the team..
You said you didn't want to go to another team or a foreign team and just wanted to rest.. Then you start looking for a foreign team~~ Whether you go or not, it's your will but it's because it's just funny is all ^^ Go to a foreign team and even if you don't like their management policies I hope you bear with it. Management isn't a player's role."
What is wrong with this tweet? She doesn't come off as bad at all imo. The second tweet is more ominous and comes off worse, but this is the one with all the content anyways, and she doesn't come off as wanting to start drama. Plus it looks like Crank pulled a Dragon which is pretty retarded.
What's wrong about the tweet is the fact that is just that, a tweet. I feel like someone that is managing a team professionally should not respond to the player in person but rather release an official statement on their twitter, facebook, website or whatever they see fit. Much like what is done in basically every professional sport there is, statements are released on webpages and through journalists while addressing the whole situation and not just responding to a few tweets made by a player.
TL;DR: Jessica could, and should, handle this more professionally since she is a professional.
To be fair, running an e-Sports team is running a team full of teens. You have to expect difficulties and you have to expect for at least some of them to not make correct/mature decisions when they act. Even teams composed of grown-up (in other sports, etc.) have these types of scenarios from their team members. If this is her chosen method of dealing with these problems then she will continue to do so because the situations will continue to happen. I'm sure these situations happen all the time and they are dealt with in a better way on other teams (even though everyone slips from time to time). I'm not saying Jessica is not passionate and does not intend well for her team but when you use that as an excuse then you are simply implying that other coaches/managers on other teams are not passionate which is not true. This is nothing to do with luck. Teens will be teens.
I actually see nothing wrong with her latest tweet. If Crank took leave based on needing rest and not joining a foreign team, then started looking for foreign teams, Jessica has every right to be a little frustrated. I mean, that's basically a blatant lie if what she says is true. Further, I didn't actually find anything particularly offensive about what she wrote. She just said that management is up to the management, which is true. Can you imagine if you took a leave of absence from your company and started talking about how you didn't like what your boss was doing? You'd get hung out to dry, and rightly so. Players are employees. They're not management, and they certainly shouldn't be putting their opinions about management on Twitter.
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
I guess crank wanted to avoid any arguments, he lied to the team saying he just wanted rest, but he really wanted to leave the team without stress . It is clearly linked to the MMA incident as it happened on the same day no matter how much slayers try to deny it.
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
Did you really believe that remark was serious?
Woah guy. No need for more drama in this thread. I was trying to be playful with your brutish and 'internet tough guy' attitude but I guess you thought I was serious.
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
Did you really believe that remark was serious?
Woah guy. No need for more drama in this thread. I was trying to be playful with your brutish and 'internet tough guy' attitude but I guess you thought I was serious.
"Hurr durr I'm fucking retarded" "Fuck off retard" "I was only joking hurr epic troll XDXD"
On August 07 2012 02:51 jinorazi wrote: you guys are causing more drama than jessica
That's the truth if I ever saw it. You guys are making the community look like a bunch of sniveling, envious underminers. Don't jump on the hate train unless the figure actually does something, not just because they look like the "wrong party."
We got less of a reaction to that hacker at WCS America stuff than this twitter stuff.
Someone in the SlayerS management really needs to stand up to Jessica and tell her to stop making these tweets, I don't think there's been a single fucking bit of SlayerS drama that she hasn't aired out on twitter and just made the entire thing a huge PR nightmare for them.
No wonder the Koreans on the team don't want to stick around, she acts like it's one big happy family and she's like the mother, but really it sounds more like she's a monarch and everyone else has to be an ass-kissing peasant.
She comes across as the bad guy every single time she does this as well, what a fucking disaster she is for SlayerS.
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
Did you really believe that remark was serious?
Woah guy. No need for more drama in this thread. I was trying to be playful with your brutish and 'internet tough guy' attitude but I guess you thought I was serious.
"Hurr durr I'm fucking retarded" "Fuck off retard" "I was only joking hurr epic troll XDXD"
On August 07 2012 03:38 CCsyph wrote: Jessica needs to calm down and Crank needs to talk to his (former) team-mates. That's it, thread's over. Everyone out.
Tough guy ehhhh?!?! Thread is over when discussion ceases. Not because you say so.
Did you really believe that remark was serious?
Woah guy. No need for more drama in this thread. I was trying to be playful with your brutish and 'internet tough guy' attitude but I guess you thought I was serious.
"Hurr durr I'm fucking retarded" "Fuck off retard" "I was only joking hurr epic troll XDXD"
On August 07 2012 03:54 DeekZ wrote: Someone in the SlayerS management really needs to stand up to Jessica and tell her to stop making these tweets, I don't think there's been a single fucking bit of SlayerS drama that she hasn't aired out on twitter and just made the entire thing a huge PR nightmare for them.
No wonder the Koreans on the team don't want to stick around, she acts like it's one big happy family and she's like the mother, but really it sounds more like she's a monarch and everyone else has to be an ass-kissing peasant.
She comes across as the bad guy every single time she does this as well, what a fucking disaster she is for SlayerS.
-no, for me it's always the other guys that come off bad, when they lie to her/Slayers. She has no issues with the ones that are behaving correctly, like Golden and Sleep.
-Just a thought (don't know if it's true), but why should these twitter messages really effect the other players in Slayers? Do they really care and can't concentrate on their training because of it?
Now, if you talk about the basic idea of showing everything public, that's an other question. Many people are saying here, that she should't have made it public, and on the same breath want to know what's the deal with MMA.
On August 07 2012 03:54 DeekZ wrote: Someone in the SlayerS management really needs to stand up to Jessica and tell her to stop making these tweets, I don't think there's been a single fucking bit of SlayerS drama that she hasn't aired out on twitter and just made the entire thing a huge PR nightmare for them.
No wonder the Koreans on the team don't want to stick around, she acts like it's one big happy family and she's like the mother, but really it sounds more like she's a monarch and everyone else has to be an ass-kissing peasant.
She comes across as the bad guy every single time she does this as well, what a fucking disaster she is for SlayerS.
Has less to do with Jessica and more to do with people harping on about shit that any person would do. Do you really believe that anyone would have said anything about this if Jessica hadn't done that legal thing when Eve got harassed? People are just incapable of seeing anything for what it is. The community has decided to Jessica is an overreactive bitch, so every time she says ANYTHING it's perceived that way. Hell, she cried after Slayers won and some idiot actually made a thread about it showing trouble in her relationship with Boxer.
Come on guys, get a fucking grip. Crank is in the wrong here, and I say that as a fan of him. He should not be tweeting about management issues when he is a player. It's simply not his jurisdiction. Furthermore, Jessica has said nothing negative about Crank until Crank started to bait her out. Like what the fuck? Do you think you could do that shit in real life and get away with it? "Oh, my CEO just let me take some time off even though my reason isn't great. I guess I should probably talk about all the problems with the company in public while I'm away. That's going to work awesomely."
On August 07 2012 03:54 DeekZ wrote: Someone in the SlayerS management really needs to stand up to Jessica and tell her to stop making these tweets, I don't think there's been a single fucking bit of SlayerS drama that she hasn't aired out on twitter and just made the entire thing a huge PR nightmare for them.
No wonder the Koreans on the team don't want to stick around, she acts like it's one big happy family and she's like the mother, but really it sounds more like she's a monarch and everyone else has to be an ass-kissing peasant.
She comes across as the bad guy every single time she does this as well, what a fucking disaster she is for SlayerS.
Has less to do with Jessica and more to do with people harping on about shit that any person would do. Do you really believe that anyone would have said anything about this if Jessica hadn't done that legal thing when Eve got harassed? People are just incapable of seeing anything for what it is. The community has decided to Jessica is an overreactive bitch, so every time she says ANYTHING it's perceived that way. Hell, she cried after Slayers won and some idiot actually made a thread about it showing trouble in her relationship with Boxer.
Come on guys, get a fucking grip. Crank is in the wrong here, and I say that as a fan of him. He should not be tweeting about management issues when he is a player. It's simply not his jurisdiction. Furthermore, Jessica has said nothing negative about Crank until Crank started to bait her out. Like what the fuck? Do you think you could do that shit in real life and get away with it? "Oh, my CEO just let me take some time off even though my reason isn't great. I guess I should probably talk about all the problems with the company in public while I'm away. That's going to work awesomely."
Jesus Christ.
Well, we don't really know what happened here because Crank claims that while he left the house for health reasons, he talked to the management later about their disagreements and ended up leaving the team because of that. Only Crank himself and the management know what actually went on and who is lying, or maybe there was a miscommunication between the two parties. He didn't exactly bring up the fact he had problems with the management until Jessica started tweeting about how he supposedly lied to leave the team. Crank was responding to Jessica's aggressive tweet in an aggressive manner rather than "starting to bait her out".
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
On August 07 2012 07:04 Sroobz wrote: Now I don't understand this...why does more drama come out of Jessica, and less out of any other team? Something is seriously fucked up over there lol
Unless people are making up all the drama just because it's Jessica.
It's interesting all of this happened during MMA being dropped to Code B, I mean Crank? He's streaming right now and actively looking for a new team, interesting injury.
everyone is picking on jessica's frustrated tweet and not crank's dishonesty? you armchair juries are sure fair. something is happening with slayers, we dont know whats going on. -but you guys sure love hopping on the bandwagon to blame jessica for it. lovely.
i dont find any of jessica's actions over the top, maybe its cultural difference but a girl outletting her frustration via social media is nothing new, yet so many of you guys are going apeshit about it. i feel sorry jessica because of the extra needless garbage drama caused by idiot fans.
On August 07 2012 07:04 Sroobz wrote: Now I don't understand this...why does more drama come out of Jessica, and less out of any other team? Something is seriously fucked up over there lol
Unless people are making up all the drama just because it's Jessica.
Pretty standard. Realistically Jessica could say something nice to a former SlayerS player and at least some people in the community would find some way to perceive that as wrong/bad. We all understand she's not the best PR person in the world and she could use some PR tips, but all this talk about her being a walking disaster or whatever is just way overstated. I've disagreed with her in the past and I'm not really thrilled about one of her tweets in this incident, but it's really not even close to as bad as people are making it out to be. She's a little overprotective of her team and she could use some PR lessons, oh no.
While SlayerS is one of my favorite teams I really hate to read news/threads about them. Not because of Jessica, but because the Jessica/Women haters (No, not saying that people who dislike Jessica automatically hate women.) always find drama where there isn't any, or where there isn't any that's significant.
Its true we don't know what really happened in either this case or the Golden case but a team manager making public tweets about internal conflicts is completely unprofessional even if she is 100% in the right. Jessica needs to exercise more self-restraint.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
On August 07 2012 03:54 DeekZ wrote: Someone in the SlayerS management really needs to stand up to Jessica and tell her to stop making these tweets, I don't think there's been a single fucking bit of SlayerS drama that she hasn't aired out on twitter and just made the entire thing a huge PR nightmare for them.
No wonder the Koreans on the team don't want to stick around, she acts like it's one big happy family and she's like the mother, but really it sounds more like she's a monarch and everyone else has to be an ass-kissing peasant.
She comes across as the bad guy every single time she does this as well, what a fucking disaster she is for SlayerS.
Has less to do with Jessica and more to do with people harping on about shit that any person would do. Do you really believe that anyone would have said anything about this if Jessica hadn't done that legal thing when Eve got harassed? People are just incapable of seeing anything for what it is. The community has decided to Jessica is an overreactive bitch, so every time she says ANYTHING it's perceived that way. Hell, she cried after Slayers won and some idiot actually made a thread about it showing trouble in her relationship with Boxer.
Come on guys, get a fucking grip. Crank is in the wrong here, and I say that as a fan of him. He should not be tweeting about management issues when he is a player. It's simply not his jurisdiction. Furthermore, Jessica has said nothing negative about Crank until Crank started to bait her out. Like what the fuck? Do you think you could do that shit in real life and get away with it? "Oh, my CEO just let me take some time off even though my reason isn't great. I guess I should probably talk about all the problems with the company in public while I'm away. That's going to work awesomely."
Jesus Christ.
This is right.
Have you heard anything about girl gamers getting harassed that harsh (posting her face on naked porn star's body...) anymore ever since Eve events? No. Jessica might do something that some people consider crazy, but she was still in the right. If not because of her aggressiveness about Eve event, there might be more cases of girl gamers got bullied.
Same case with Dragon. The dude literally said that he was looking for a foreign team as soon as he left the team house to go back home and started streaming again, even wrote so on his twitchtv page. He clearly was in the wrong and yet fanboy defended him blindly.
Moreover, people seem to not like Jessica announcing things on twitter, and doing twitter wars. This is just a stupid culture gap. This happens all the time in kpop culture. In fact, there are twitter wars between Korean celebrity every-single-fuking-time whenever there're voting, or some kind of awards. The newest one I remember was SNSD vs SUJU last month. This always happens, SMtown artists vs JYP artist, ELF vs everythingelse, fan wars,.... Hell, even in America, celebrity twitter wars are not that rare.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
I dislike Jessica because she never tweeted me back T_T. biggest complaint i have, that, and she let boxer hurt his himself so now we can't see him play. she needs to be more controlling of that boy.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
Ok since you don't know I run the ESV TV Korean Weekly, do stage admin'ing for major tournaments like IPL 4, and work day to day with pros from all around the world including Korea. I have first hand experience with every Korean pro that is known aside for MvP. I have dealt with her personally on many occasions and even in person.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
Ok since you don't know I run the ESV TV Korean Weekly, do stage admin'ing for major tournaments like IPL 4, and work day to day with pros from all around the world including Korea. I have first hand experience with every Korean pro that is known aside for MvP. I have dealt with her personally on many occasions and even in person.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
Ok since you don't know I run the ESV TV Korean Weekly, do stage admin'ing for major tournaments like IPL 4, and work day to day with pros from all around the world including Korea. I have first hand experience with every Korean pro that is known aside for MvP. I have dealt with her personally on many occasions and even in person.
Impressive. Congratulations. (Not sarcasm) Just hadn't heard of you before.
On August 07 2012 06:57 Robbie! wrote: [quote] True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
Ok since you don't know I run the ESV TV Korean Weekly, do stage admin'ing for major tournaments like IPL 4, and work day to day with pros from all around the world including Korea. I have first hand experience with every Korean pro that is known aside for MvP. I have dealt with her personally on many occasions and even in person.
Impressive. Congratulations. (Not sarcasm) Just hadn't heard of you before.
Thank you, much <3. Never feel bad for asking for some kind of verification .
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
I have dealt with her personally on many occasions and even in person.
And sometimes in person. Personally. Just a funny wording.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
She's VERY well known throughout the scene for having a short temper by more or less everyone, Korean or not.
It's more like she's commonly thought to have a short temper. It's not "known" that she has one. I wouldn't say that everyone thinks that, I have no idea how the players feel about her. I don't think she has a short temper, I've seen nothing to indicate that she does. A short temper would be flying off the handle in a blink of the eye. All she's really done is post on twitter, so she's passionate and vocal, but I don't know about short tempered.
As others have said a fair bit of it may well come down to cultural differences. Arguments over Twitter are pretty common. Still I think she could use a couple PR lessons and I definitely think the drama about her is blown way out of proportion by the western SC2 fanbase.
You do know I not only know Jessica personally, but also I know A LOT of people in this industry that know her and share the same opinion? It's not like I am guessing on this, it's just a known fact Jessica will fly off the handle on you for nothing if you are not careful around her.
No, how would I possibly know that? But I am a little confused that you said they share the same opinion and then later say it's a known fact.
There's a nifty little button next to every posters name that says "Profile"
It might be wise to click that, especially with members that have 5k+ posts so you know who you are arguing with when you argue with them
So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
It's not like Dragon was a real player anyways, he was just Boxer's practice partner and he shouldn't have expected more considering his background and the fact that he promised not to play in tournaments
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
Even Jessica herself admitted to having a short temper back when she was just an actress.
But then again, a lot of Korean females have short and hot tempers. I know because I'm married to one.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
That says a lot about the players in question, Perhaps they didn't have he gumption to say what they meant.
On August 06 2012 13:15 Waxangel wrote: Has Jessica ever not made herself look like the bad guy in these situations ?
True that, I feel like a similar thing happened to Dragon when he left the team, she put words in Dragons mouth making him out to be the problem, but this Crank problem kind of reassures the fact that she is just a little protective over her players, or what ever she seems to be pulling. In the mean time I feel bad for crank, can't imagine the stress of these childish "twitter wars" Jessica is provoking, while trying to find a foreign team.
Funny how people conveniently forget how there was no drama when Sleep, Golden, GanZi and TaeJa left.
This pretty much looks like CranK's fault, you don't announce to your fans that you've left your team when you have not even given your team notice.
Jessica is known for a very short temper, and really hates people who she thinks is trying to deceive her. Dragon did that, and apparently Crank is going the same route too.
On the other hand, the ones who kept it honest about wanting to join a foreign team (Ganzi and Teaja) still maintain a very good relationship with Slayers and Jessica.
Jessica isn't known for a very short temper. The community has painted her as having one, despite essentially no one ever having met her. I seriously can't remember the last time there was a legitimate complaint to be made against Jessica.
Even Jessica herself admitted to having a short temper back when she was just an actress.
But then again, a lot of Korean females have short and hot tempers. I know because I'm married to one.
the level of stupidity in this thread is astounding. Aside from the few posters who are actually making careful analyzed arguments, everyone else is just needlessly bashing Jessica and stating retarded things....
This thread needs to get locked, like right now...
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Well I agree with you, it is not a good reason, she should have just reprimand him and pass it by. Teens are teens, they tend to do stupid things as I did in my time. As for the dropping out of the fight, maybe he was afraid that some facts may go public or, as you put it, could not have been bothered to continue. We will never know I guess, and can speculate endlessly. But you must admit that, apart from Jessica twitting all over the place, it is a legitimate reason to think that these guys could be afraid of coming clean due to the fact that they are young.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
On August 07 2012 11:46 NoGasfOu wrote: So, is there a reason Slayers players keep making excuses to be able to go home and then start looking for a new team? Like Dragon saying retiring then started searching for a foreign team, similar with Crank's neck problem. There must be a reason. Could it be that some players are not allowed to leave. If they're allowed to leave by talking face to face with Jessica first, then they wouldn't need to create these uncomfortable excuses.
If certain player's heart is not there with the team anymore and wanted to search for a new team, then there's no need for Jessica to go on twitter. They're going to leave either way. I think Jessica is just sending message to the next players that want to leave. She just wants to make sure they know that it's going to be an uncomforable situation if they choose to leaves. probably a message to MMA.
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
You think with all of your knowledge of Twitter you would know that using Twitter in the form of a verb is "To Tweet" not "To Twit".
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
You think with all of your knowledge of Twitter you would know that using Twitter in the form of a verb is "To Tweet" not "To Twit".
OR just 2 players being a dick on the same team. Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja had no problems.
If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
You think with all of your knowledge of Twitter you would know that using Twitter in the form of a verb is "To Tweet" not "To Twit".
From this post alone, I have come to the conclusion that the human race is fucked beyond repair.
On August 07 2012 12:13 NoGasfOu wrote: [quote] If they're being a dick, then Jessica should be happy and let them go. But, she clearly is not happy about them leaving at all.
Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
You think with all of your knowledge of Twitter you would know that using Twitter in the form of a verb is "To Tweet" not "To Twit".
From this post alone, I have come to the conclusion that the human race is fucked beyond repair.
As a fellow grammar Nazi, I actually understand how he feels the need to point this out, it is jarring to read the word twit every time tweet is meant
On topic; I am kind of in agreement that this whole Jessica thing has been blown out of proportion. Jessica did Crank a favour by quietly letting him take a rest, due to an "injury". Then he turns around and starts outwardly campaigning for a new team, and streaming like crazy, ruining his own cover, I feel she has a right to be angry. Obviously there's not enough information to really know what is going on, but I think with what has been shown so far, this is mostly Crank making an immature decision
On August 07 2012 12:14 Shiori wrote: [quote] Are you kidding me? See, this is what's stupid. It's like you've decided to put a negative spin on no matter what Jessica says.
No, I'm trying to figure out why the players had to make bad excuses to be able to leave the team.
Because they know their reason is going to be basically a spit in the faces of the management. It's also not a legitimate reason to be released from their contract. So they ask to be released on the basis of another reason, banking on their management's trust, only to turn around and join someone else.
That's extremely rude and disloyal.
If Golden,Sleep, Ganzi and Teaja can be released from the contract by talking face to face with Jessica first, then Dragon and Crank could as well. All of them basically had the exact reason for leaving the team. Those four were able to leave peacefully without spit in the face, but the other two had to make excuses.
Have you factored out possible immaturity of the two you speak about? Maybe they simply did not have the balls to talk to management? Do you seriously believe that, after Crank's reaction to twits, Jessica is solely to blame? He dropped out of the conversation/spat pretty quickly.
Lets say those two were immature and didn't have the ball to talk to her about leaving and had to come up with fake reasons. Is that a good reason for Jessica to twit all over the place. Crank basically said that he can't handle all the talks behind his back anymore and also dropped out of the twitter fight. I don't think it's that easy to drop out of a word fight. The person that drops out of a fight usually has to be a mature one. Dragon didn't even bother to fight. He just let Jessica twit whatever she wanted.
Because twitting is becoming one of the popular trend in kpop culture. Immature, yes, but that's the way it is. You may not know, but celebrity twitter wars are popular in kpop culture. It happens every single time whenever there're awards or voting going on. Most recently one that I can remember is ELF vs SNSD last month. Twitter wars are, ffs, common, SMTown artists vs JYP artists, actresses vs singers/idols, fan twitter wars,.... And ffs, twitter wars are not even that rare in American celebrity culture.
Stop accusing people for using twitter as the media bridge ffs. That kind of talk happened before with youtube too, look what it has become. Noone even feels strange seeing youtube wars between celebrity anymore.
You think with all of your knowledge of Twitter you would know that using Twitter in the form of a verb is "To Tweet" not "To Twit".
From this post alone, I have come to the conclusion that the human race is fucked beyond repair.
As a fellow grammar Nazi, I actually understand how he feels the need to point this out, it is jarring to read the word twit every time tweet is meant
On topic; I am kind of in agreement that this whole Jessica thing has been blown out of proportion. Jessica did Crank a favour by quietly letting him take a rest, due to an "injury". Then he turns around and starts outwardly campaigning for a new team, and streaming like crazy, ruining his own cover, I feel she has a right to be angry. Obviously there's not enough information to really know what is going on, but I think with what has been shown so far, this is mostly Crank making an immature decision
the evidence draws to that conclusion but its unfortunate the loud mouths will overwhelm logic with needless jessica bashing drama
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얘는 왜 루리웹에 쓰레기글 투척하는거냐? 지가 쓴 디씨 쓰레기통글이랑 리퀴드 글 링크해가지고 다른 사람이 쓴거마냥 포장해서 쇼하는거지
On August 06 2012 12:28 Clefairy wrote: After several weeks of Jessica's random spats of rage on Twitter at someone she didn't mention.
Crank: As expected. I definitely spent over 2 hours talking with them and thought we came to an understanding. I'm an idiot for even attempting to talk it out. I really want to applaud their determination. If there's something you want to say please do it over the phone whoever it is. Don't write it on Twitter.
I had neck pain so I returned home to rest, and I couldn't see eye to eye with the team's management policies so I tried many times to talk with them but nothing changed so I left the team. But then the next day the article says I had neck disk problems. Is there even time to bother about a nobody like me. Please just stop talking behind my back. I'm getting so much stress.
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On August 07 2012 17:48 mongmong wrote: To me, Crank is the one who started all this fire.
Jessica normally maintains a good relationship with those who told her about leaving the team (Ganzi,Sleep and Taeja)
I mean think about it. Why would she go crazy about people who want to leave?
From her twitter, she stated that Crank would take a break due to his injury and
all of a sudden he starts streaming like crazy and says he wants to join a foreign team without even informing jessica???
To me, thats like fucking backstabbing both jessica and boxer. Its not even a cultural thing. You dont go and work for
another company without informing your current employer. This is fucking dirty.
+ those who hate on jessica, just try to be in her shoe. she even gave up her career as an actress to run the
team, I cannot imagine anyone who can show as much committment as her. Who would want to pick up Crank anyway?
As far as i know he has 0 achievement in his career and i dont think any foreign team would want to pick him up just
because he is korean + the roasterw for most foreign teams are full.
He left slayers. She lied and said he had Disk problems. He just wanted to rest. He left their team. He can do whatever the ffuck he feels like. Especially after she misrepresented him. And wtf why you hate Crank? He is good and has been in GSL. He has been hovering on #1GM for like 2 weeks now. He is good rofl.
He left slayers. She lied and said he had Disk problems. He just wanted to rest. He left their team. He can do whatever the ffuck he feels like. Especially after she misrepresented him. And wtf why you hate Crank? He is good and has been in GSL. He has been hovering on #1GM for like 2 weeks now. He is good rofl.
Jessica lied for him otherwise people would have bothered him so much considering mma was demoted to b team that time. What he had done wrong is leaving the team without even informing jessica. i mean yeah its great if he didnt see an eye to eye with slayers management, but why look for a foreign team without even telling jessiCa??? btw being in #1 GM doesnt mean shi/t do u even know most high tier pros give 0 shit about ladder??
On August 07 2012 17:48 mongmong wrote: To me, Crank is the one who started all this fire.
Jessica normally maintains a good relationship with those who told her about leaving the team (Ganzi,Sleep and Taeja)
I mean think about it. Why would she go crazy about people who want to leave?
From her twitter, she stated that Crank would take a break due to his injury and
all of a sudden he starts streaming like crazy and says he wants to join a foreign team without even informing jessica???
To me, thats like fucking backstabbing both jessica and boxer. Its not even a cultural thing. You dont go and work for
another company without informing your current employer. This is fucking dirty.
+ those who hate on jessica, just try to be in her shoe. she even gave up her career as an actress to run the
team, I cannot imagine anyone who can show as much committment as her. Who would want to pick up Crank anyway?
As far as i know he has 0 achievement in his career and i dont think any foreign team would want to pick him up just
because he is korean + the roasterw for most foreign teams are full.
He left slayers. She lied and said he had Disk problems. He just wanted to rest. He left their team. He can do whatever the ffuck he feels like. Especially after she misrepresented him. And wtf why you hate Crank? He is good and has been in GSL. He has been hovering on #1GM for like 2 weeks now. He is good rofl.
There are things called contracts, you might want to look into them.
On August 07 2012 17:48 mongmong wrote: To me, Crank is the one who started all this fire.
Jessica normally maintains a good relationship with those who told her about leaving the team (Ganzi,Sleep and Taeja)
I mean think about it. Why would she go crazy about people who want to leave?
From her twitter, she stated that Crank would take a break due to his injury and
all of a sudden he starts streaming like crazy and says he wants to join a foreign team without even informing jessica???
To me, thats like fucking backstabbing both jessica and boxer. Its not even a cultural thing. You dont go and work for
another company without informing your current employer. This is fucking dirty.
+ those who hate on jessica, just try to be in her shoe. she even gave up her career as an actress to run the
team, I cannot imagine anyone who can show as much committment as her. Who would want to pick up Crank anyway?
As far as i know he has 0 achievement in his career and i dont think any foreign team would want to pick him up just
because he is korean + the roasterw for most foreign teams are full.
He left slayers. She lied and said he had Disk problems. He just wanted to rest. He left their team. He can do whatever the ffuck he feels like. Especially after she misrepresented him. And wtf why you hate Crank? He is good and has been in GSL. He has been hovering on #1GM for like 2 weeks now. He is good rofl.
There are things called contracts, you might want to look into them.
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