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On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row.
You do realise that Haypro was a hacker in BW; that zenio doesn't have a wonderful reputation in the community (mostly because of IdrA but still) and that both Nony and at various times ret don't practice a lot.
I don't think any team in his right mind would not want Stephano. Unfortunately he is probably worth to much for TL  .
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On July 25 2012 05:39 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. You do realise that Haypro was a hacker in BW in that zenio doesn't have a wonderful reputation in the community (mostly because of IdrA but still) and that both Nony and at various times ret don't practice a lot. I don't think any team in his right mind would not want Stephano. Unfortunately he is probably worth to much for TL .
Haypro wasn't a hacker, you do these accusations.
Read the entire article before assuming these as facts.
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MVP lost his passion. Oh no!~
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I had a blast reading all of the interviews. I hope MVP gets better, he just doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. Squirtle and JYP's interviews were okay. I was a bit baffled about JYP's last comment regarding Nestea; wonder if thats true and if there is some back story to it. Genius not being able to join TL, I'm fine with that. I wouldn't want HerO being replaced <3 MKP had this side to him I've never knew of before. I'm glad there is some competitive tension between the KeSPA and GSL players. Hopefully its all in good fun though, the last thing SC2 needs is a feud between BW and SC2 fans.The last few interviews were meh, but like Parting's quote.
Recently, the quarrel between Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 fans is heating up
I wish they would encourage and praise each other instead of fighting. There's no point or meaning to their quarrel. I call for respect.
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On July 25 2012 04:44 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:37 dsousa wrote:On July 25 2012 04:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 25 2012 04:17 urasyupi2 wrote:
:O
Genius tried to join TL???
WHY?!?!??! Why no Liquid'Genius????? They said on reddit they werent looking to add any Koreans at the moment since they already have 3 and have a lot of interests in the foreign community I saw that, but that seems like a crazy thing to admit to. I guess its just this odd SC2 competitive scene where you pick players based on race/nationality rather than their skill in the game. Liquids team is quite big, so its fine if they don't want to take more players.... but to say no more Korean players, seems a bit wrong. Perhaps better phrasing would be no more players would would train out of Korea, rather than no more Korean players. Still refreshing of Genius to be so honest about his efforts, and even refreshing of TL to give a clear reason. Maybe TL is holding out for MMA  With TL's great reputation I think they could create an all-star team if they really wanted.... everyone would love to be a part of TL's empire. How is it wrong? They are a foreign team that take pride in being a foreign team. Nothing wrong with that. A few Koreans can help the fanbase and increase exposure worldwide. More than that becomes redundant, especially when you're a foreign team with foreign sponsors.
I see your point, and it makes sense based on the business model of SC2 teams... .that being said, most team in most sports are rewarded for winning, and therefore they seek to acquire the best players regardless of nationality or ethnicity.
When winning is the basis for reward, then you naturally don't care about nationality or ethnicity when picking your players.... however, when popularity is the primary basis for reward it becomes a bigger factor.
I don't fault TL for this, they are making sound decisions based on the reality of SC2. Its just sad that winning and talent aren't the biggest factors in determining a players value.
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On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row.
What makes people think Stephano doesnt want to stay with Millenium? I wonder how many players dont get drunk after tournaments, especially foreigners.
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I thought reality's interview quite cocky, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to find it that way
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On July 25 2012 06:07 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:44 Dosey wrote:On July 25 2012 04:37 dsousa wrote:On July 25 2012 04:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 25 2012 04:17 urasyupi2 wrote:
:O
Genius tried to join TL???
WHY?!?!??! Why no Liquid'Genius????? They said on reddit they werent looking to add any Koreans at the moment since they already have 3 and have a lot of interests in the foreign community I saw that, but that seems like a crazy thing to admit to. I guess its just this odd SC2 competitive scene where you pick players based on race/nationality rather than their skill in the game. Liquids team is quite big, so its fine if they don't want to take more players.... but to say no more Korean players, seems a bit wrong. Perhaps better phrasing would be no more players would would train out of Korea, rather than no more Korean players. Still refreshing of Genius to be so honest about his efforts, and even refreshing of TL to give a clear reason. Maybe TL is holding out for MMA With TL's great reputation I think they could create an all-star team if they really wanted.... everyone would love to be a part of TL's empire. How is it wrong? They are a foreign team that take pride in being a foreign team. Nothing wrong with that. A few Koreans can help the fanbase and increase exposure worldwide. More than that becomes redundant, especially when you're a foreign team with foreign sponsors. I see your point, and it makes sense based on the business model of SC2 teams... .that being said, most team in most sports are rewarded for winning, and therefore they seek to acquire the best players regardless of nationality or ethnicity. When winning is the basis for reward, then you naturally don't care about nationality or ethnicity when picking your players.... however, when popularity is the primary basis for reward it becomes a bigger factor. I don't fault TL for this, they are making sound decisions based on the reality of SC2. Its just sad that winning and talent aren't the biggest factors in determining a players value.
uhh winning and talent are the biggest factors... do you think that Incontrol's value compares to Taeja's? A popular charismatic Protoss versus a non charismatic person who could be the best player in the world over the last few months.
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MarineKing will always be S Class for me at least :D
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On July 25 2012 02:01 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 19:01 opterown wrote:On July 24 2012 18:54 Bagration wrote:On July 24 2012 18:44 Ruscour wrote:On July 24 2012 18:42 Bagration wrote:
What? Liquid turned down Genius yet they keep guys who haven't shown any substantial results in more than a year? Strange, but I guess Genius just asked for too much. Still, the guy has talent, and a very outgoing personality.
And of course, it is great to hear that MMA is the starter for the GSTL finals. Hopefully this means the friction is now behind them. Liquid is more of a "family" and I can't imagine them picking up anyone not named SuperNoVa at least until after they sign SuperNoVa. I don't think they signed Taeja because he was "family", they signed him for raw talent. :p but like, in liquid rising, they want players they can develop genius is well developed and possibly has already peaked. Do you actually believe that fluff in the doc? They pick up less established players because it's cheaper since liquid doesn't have unlimited funds like EG.
hey, let me be idealistic in peace!
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I'm really suprised Complexity isn't jumping all over Genius.
The Koreans they picked up have no personality at all and Genius is more well known/better skill wise (at least indicated by Code S results) than all of them.
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Poor Genius he could get onto another team if he wants though TL are pretty picky with who they sign.
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EG should have the money to recruit him or any other korean.
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On July 25 2012 06:21 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. What makes people think Stephano doesnt want to stay with Millenium? I wonder how many players dont get drunk after tournaments, especially foreigners.
Stephano isn't exactly what you would call the most responsible and upstanding of foreigners. There's been plenty of times when he's no-showed for NASL matches, EGMC matches, IPL TAC matches, etc.
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On July 25 2012 05:39 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. You do realise that Haypro was a hacker in BW; that zenio doesn't have a wonderful reputation in the community (mostly because of IdrA but still) and that both Nony and at various times ret don't practice a lot. I don't think any team in his right mind would not want Stephano. Unfortunately he is probably worth to much for TL .
First off, Haypro was "hacking" in the sense that he accidentally left an illegal program running when he started an important match or something. It wasn't with the intent to cheat, it was "oh shit, I left a program that I use to practice on and forgot to turn it off". An honest mistake.
Stephano is controversial, and his relatively low practice time and drinking is well known. But it is naive to think that he is the only progamer who is drinking. Most progamers (young men) like to go out and party and drink, especially during tournaments. In that regard, it is a bit unfair to single Stephano out.
On July 25 2012 07:56 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 06:21 TommyP wrote:On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. What makes people think Stephano doesnt want to stay with Millenium? I wonder how many players dont get drunk after tournaments, especially foreigners. Stephano isn't exactly what you would call the most responsible and upstanding of foreigners. There's been plenty of times when he's no-showed for NASL matches, EGMC matches, IPL TAC matches, etc.
True, but he's not the only one. NoNy's done it a few times as well (left after playing 1 match in the groupstage of the ONOG invitational, left after losing the first game in the Bo3 against Sjow in the NASL).
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MKP better make it past the ro16, i couldn't bare to see him retire...
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On July 25 2012 05:39 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. You do realise that Haypro was a hacker in BW; that zenio doesn't have a wonderful reputation in the community (mostly because of IdrA but still) and that both Nony and at various times ret don't practice a lot. I don't think any team in his right mind would not want Stephano. Unfortunately he is probably worth to much for TL .
To be honest I think TL is best off cutting off all the subpar players they have like Haypro, Sheth, Jinro and TLO and just going for less players with some koreans and maybe 1 or 2 foreigners. As far as results most TL players are severely lacking and except for TLO maybe they don't really have the personality to make up for that. Quality over quantity really when a team is a bit lower in budget. Sending koreans or europeans to american tournaments is probably roughly as expensive so as TL I would have gone with some good europeans and the rest koreans. Hard to disband standing contracts they have though especially knowing that some of the guys when dropped from TL would likely never find something remotely as good as again.
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On July 25 2012 08:15 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:39 Diavlo wrote:On July 25 2012 05:24 Shinespark wrote:On July 25 2012 05:20 FairForever wrote:On July 25 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:On July 25 2012 04:46 MetalPanda wrote:
I think Liquid's next step is NOT signing foreign players, they're already THE foreign community. Unless it's a fan-favorite like Stephano, they should focus on big Korean names/promising Korean players so they can do well in team leagues and grab sponsors and also exposes Team Liquid to Koreans and show them they're the most serious foreign team. They could grab one top top level foreigner that could go compete in GSTL and keep their foreigner team image though. Pretty sure they don't even want stephano, he is too much of a controversial player for them. I'm pretty sure if they couldn't afford to keep HuK, they couldn't afford to beat out EG for Stephano. I don't think TL was ever interested in Stephano, since they've stated TL will only accept players of excellent reputation and Stephano is admittedly lazy and he's been getting drunk after every tournament like 4 times in a row. You do realise that Haypro was a hacker in BW; that zenio doesn't have a wonderful reputation in the community (mostly because of IdrA but still) and that both Nony and at various times ret don't practice a lot. I don't think any team in his right mind would not want Stephano. Unfortunately he is probably worth to much for TL . To be honest I think TL is best off cutting off all the subpar players they have like Haypro, Sheth, Jinro and TLO and just going for less players with some koreans and maybe 1 or 2 foreigners. As far as results most TL players are severely lacking and except for TLO maybe they don't really have the personality to make up for that. Quality over quantity really when a team is a bit lower in budget. Sending koreans or europeans to american tournaments is probably roughly as expensive so as TL I would have gone with some good europeans and the rest koreans. Hard to disband standing contracts they have though especially knowing that some of the guys when dropped from TL would likely never find something remotely as good as again.
I don't know about the cutting off of subpar players straight up, but they should cut the ones that don't put in the practice (NonY, Ret if that's true). It used to be that I could just enjoy seeing them based on their personality/playstyle but that is no longer the case. TLO has gotten to be kind of arrogant (despite still showing few results), Jinro has always complained about the OPness or luck of his opponents but at least he had wins to show he knew a little about what he spoke about, and the others just seem to have declined in skill while still having no personality.
This is all without taking the korean mercenaries into account, of course.
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I would love for EG to pick up Genius. Probably a little pricey but my favorite Protoss on my favorite team would be awesome.
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