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On July 17 2012 22:45 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams. Your opinion. Although I have facts and figures on my side.
Puma won NASL 2 after joining EG, HuK won MLG after joining EG.
Sc2 right now is in a place where its extremly hard for people to win many tournaments in a row and show constantly good results..
There are only a few players who can always promise to place well in almost any tournament those being, MVP, DRG, MKP and maybe a few others. None of the guys on EG are those type of players, they are not so dominate that they can always post amazing results (not saying they are bad).
Just because they have not won everything while being apart of EG does not have anything to do with switching to EG, it has to do with the ammount of talent and skill right now in SC2 and the constant changing metas and what not.
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On July 17 2012 23:10 aTnClouD wrote:
I wonder what he did to Jessica.
surprise buttsecks
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On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG?
Results =/= championships.
I find it really funny that people keep refuting everything you say and you just reply with "Whatever, the facts are on my side". You'd be a good politician.
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Lets think about this for a second. As a community it would be kind of cool if he joined a foreign team... specially one that asks him to put out some content for the community. I would love to see MMA stream, or a replay pack, or just anything really.
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On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG?
NASL S2, IEM Cologne, Dreamhack winter 2011 2nd, Assembly winter 3rd 2012, Iron Squid ro8, IEM season IV world championships 2nd place all on EG. His only result while he was on TSL was NASL S1. Not 6 championships but not bad.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa/Results
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On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG?
Again. You're a tragic person if you think the only placement that counts in todays tournaments is 1st. A good overall placement proves that the team is improving and are close to the top.
You're arguing that EG hasn't done their job correctly. Who are you to define what placements they should get? You think its reasonable to expect an EG player to win every tournament? But they certainly haven't bought any of the top 5 players in the world recently so why should they? The only player that was heralded as a top 5 player during his signing with EG was Puma and he has done very well recently. Your obsession with 1st place finishes doesn't changed that fact.
Can you even comprehend how hard it is to go through an entire major tournament and win it at this point? Are you really so naive as to think that the only thing that matters in tournaments are pure skill? That every player has the exact same difficulty of bracket play?
Your entire argument is ridiculuos because it shows how little you know about the scene. You have put some kind of expectation on EG that you manufactured in your mind. No one has an obligation to fullfill your wishes in that regard.
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On July 17 2012 23:23 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? Results =/= championships. I find it really funny that people keep refuting everything you say and you just reply with "Whatever, the facts are on my side". You'd be a good politician.
Sigh. That's all I have for this one, sigh.
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I think this cypher person is the type of kid who only cares and looks at 1st place finishes LOL
Puma has done amazing since joining EG getting second at dreamhack, 3rd and a second at IEM.
and huk has done well at the MLG arenas
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On July 17 2012 23:24 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? Again. You're a tragic person if you think the only placement that counts in todays tournaments is 1st. A good overall placement proves that the team is improving and are close to the top. You're arguing that EG hasn't done their job correctly. Who are you to define what placements they should get? You think its reasonable to expect an EG player to win every tournament? But they certainly haven't bought any of the top 5 players in the world recently so why should they? The only player that was heralded as a top 5 player during his signing with EG was Puma and he has done very well recently. Your obsession with 1st place finishes doesn't changed that fact. Can you even comprehend how hard it is to go through an entire major tournament and win it at this point? Are you really so naive as to think that the only thing that matters in tournaments are pure skill? That every player has the exact same difficulty of bracket play? Your entire argument is ridiculuos because it shows how little you know about the scene. You have put some kind of expectation on EG that you manufactured in your mind. No one has an obligation to fullfill your wishes in that regard.
Can you stop attacking me and instead try to articulate a calmer response.
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This is the equivalent of benching Kobe......Don't know what slayers is thinking......
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This is what happens when a women is in charge.
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MMA has kind of lost his way recently but in fairness so has the Terran Meta game. He clearly has the talent to bounce back in time.
Re EG debate Think its clear EG players are struggling comparative to the hype. They keep buying in more talent and its still not working for them; I hope Stephano bucks that trend.
I did note from SC2 earnings that Incontrol has made 75$ this year after bringing in $1400 in 2011. So its not just their new talent that's on the slide.
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On July 17 2012 23:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? NASL S2, IEM Cologne, Dreamhack winter 2011 2nd, Assembly winter 3rd 2012, Iron Squid ro8, IEM season IV world championships 2nd place all on EG. His only result while he was on TSL was NASL S1. Not 6 championships but not bad. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa/Results
But he has won only 3? That's not what you said earlier.
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Whoa, whoa. Are people seriously debating the results of EG players in this thread? Please stop derailing this thread. Take it to PMs if your ego doesn't permit you to lose an argument.
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On July 17 2012 23:25 Josh111 wrote:
I think this cypher person is the type of kid who only cares and looks at 1st place finishes LOL
Puma has done amazing since joining EG getting second at dreamhack, 3rd and a second at IEM.
and huk has done well at the MLG arenas
On TSL in the GSTL and NASL S1 he was considered to be one of or even the best terran in the world. After he joined EG he got some good placements and results in foreign tournaments but i think people expected more from him. Maybe he would have showed better results if he stayed in a korean team, maybe not.
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On July 17 2012 23:27 Arkless wrote:
This is the equivalent of benching Kobe......Don't know what slayers is thinking......
It really just speaks for the magnitude of this occurrence, it must be pretty bad.
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On July 17 2012 23:29 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? NASL S2, IEM Cologne, Dreamhack winter 2011 2nd, Assembly winter 3rd 2012, Iron Squid ro8, IEM season IV world championships 2nd place all on EG. His only result while he was on TSL was NASL S1. Not 6 championships but not bad. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa/Results But he has won only 3? That's not what you said earlier.
I never said he won 6, that was someone else, I brought it up to make note of that.
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On July 17 2012 23:31 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:29 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? NASL S2, IEM Cologne, Dreamhack winter 2011 2nd, Assembly winter 3rd 2012, Iron Squid ro8, IEM season IV world championships 2nd place all on EG. His only result while he was on TSL was NASL S1. Not 6 championships but not bad. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa/Results But he has won only 3? That's not what you said earlier. I never said he won 6, that was someone else, I brought it up to make note of that.
So, what? He has gone from being heralded as the best Terran in the world to placing high in a few foreign tournaments and winning 2 or 3 since joining EG?
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On July 17 2012 22:42 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:39 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 17 2012 22:13 AnYvia wrote:
I wonder how much times LiquidMMA has been suggested :D.
Anyways, good luck to MMA and it sure will be strange seeing him with a different team tag infront of his name... People always do that crap. As soon as any player comes up for grabs or changes team, there's the usual rush of ridiculous "OMG, he's going to win everything now" and "Calling it now, Liquid'blank/EG.blank/Fnatic_blank!!" posts. I hardly think Fnatic can be called a foreign team now. That ship has sailed. Can't deny that Liquid'MMA has a cool ring to it.
Liquid'MMA: The Bruce Lee Terran: Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
On July 17 2012 23:19 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:15 Liam! wrote:
Even if It is a money issue, I really hope he stays on a Korean team, foreigner teams are just.. ugh. Ugh what? Way superior living conditions? More paid travel for easy prize money? Less pressure and harsh rules? More exposure to the fans of starcraft? More pay?
I can't stand the foreign team crap. If someone foreign wants to setup a team of all Koreans to play in the GSL and GSTL that's awesome and fine by me (FXO basically), but the way it seems to work now is that foreign teams incapable of producing their own talent are poaching rising stars from teams which contribute far more to SC2. And what do fans gain from that? At best a team that goes to the GSTL and relies 100% on Koreans (an exaggeration for sure) to get wins and then uses foreigners as warm bodies so that they can qualify to play at all.
I'd really rather just have it be Slayers/IM/ST/TSL/Prime/NSH/FXO/MVP playing against the KeSPA teams in a big 16 team league, foreign teams just water down that awesome talent pool.
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On July 17 2012 23:32 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:31 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 17 2012 23:29 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 17 2012 23:17 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:13 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 23:12 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 23:11 CCsyph wrote:Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards. "I can't prove him wrong so I'll just call him stupid!" You proved yourself wrong when you linked Liquipedia. Anyways, lets all continue our speculations on __.MMA or MMA.__ How did I? I presented facts which show a decline in results after an extended period of time playing for EG. You linked a player who has MORE results under the EG banner than under his previous team, you're delusional. Let me do some basic math for you; PuMa has one, two, three results under TSL. PuMa has one, two, three, four, five, SIX results under EG. NOW, back to speculation. Okay man, you can think that if you want but I still have facts and figures on my side. What 6 championships has he achieved since joining EG? NASL S2, IEM Cologne, Dreamhack winter 2011 2nd, Assembly winter 3rd 2012, Iron Squid ro8, IEM season IV world championships 2nd place all on EG. His only result while he was on TSL was NASL S1. Not 6 championships but not bad. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa/Results But he has won only 3? That's not what you said earlier. I never said he won 6, that was someone else, I brought it up to make note of that. So, what? He has gone from being heralded as the best Terran in the world to placing high in a few foreign tournaments and winning 2 or 3 since joining EG?
This has nothing to do with the argument you presented but is there a point with this debate?
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