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Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
July 17 2012 14:03 GMT
#801
this sucks major balls. the few terran hopes left these days need all support they can get.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
July 17 2012 14:03 GMT
#802
On July 17 2012 22:57 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:
If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team.

What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious.

It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players.

Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be.


It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams.

So PuMa winning 2 straight NASLs after joining them and JYP's improving immensely vs. Terran shows that everyone who joins drops in skill? Who's the one living in fantasy land cause it's clearly you. PuMa went on a tear last year winning so many foreign tournaments after joining up with EG plus JYP has won a few extremely clutch games in GSTL this season for SlayerS so please before you start spewing ignorant bullshit then claiming it as truth just don't cause that is always the better option.


Reading comprehension? If you're arguing against CCsyph don't quote my post.
Killmo
Profile Joined October 2011
China82 Posts
July 17 2012 14:03 GMT
#803
So... What ever happened with that crazy MMA and SlayerS drama?
CCsyph
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:06:30
July 17 2012 14:04 GMT
#804
On July 17 2012 23:00 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:54 CCsyph wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:50 Zambrah wrote:
You understand that JYP's PvT is shaping up a lot since he joined EG, and PuMa has done very well under the EG banner?

You're hatin'.

I'm not hating. My initial post was, admittedly, a little strong but it doesn't change facts. All you need to do is look at the player's Liquipedia pages.

I'll even post them here.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa#Achievements
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JYP#Achievements
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK#Achievements

Then look at the times they joined EG from their previous teams, there is a direct correlation supporting what I say.

You putting those up there actually dispproves your point seeing as how 2 out of 3 either stayed the same or increased :l

Well that's just not true.

PuMa joined EG 26/7/2011.

Before, and shortly after, that date he had numerous 1st place finishes. But as time has continued on they show a sharp decline. Same for HuK. Although JYP's achievement page is bare, I can talk from my own recollection. He used to be Code S calibre player, now he is struggling to get out of Code A, for what? 2 or 3 seasons now at least.
"I hear you speak and suddenly I'm reminded of how the people I respected most in my life had a problem with authority."
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:06:32
July 17 2012 14:04 GMT
#805
On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:
If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team.

What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious.

It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players.

Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be.

You mean PuMa, the guy who won NASL and never made GSL while he was on TSL, and then joined EG and won another NASL along with an IEM and continued to not be in GSL?

Or JYP, the middling GSL player who continues to be a middling GSL player now that he's on EG?

HuK is also the only non-Korean to win an MLG since the Koreans started playing in them, and he did it while on EG. Yeah, he fell out of GSL but so did Jinro. Is staying on Liquid to blame for Jinro's struggles?

Your post makes literally no sense.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
July 17 2012 14:04 GMT
#806
On July 17 2012 23:03 Killmo wrote:
So... What ever happened with that crazy MMA and SlayerS drama?


We're feverishly waiting for further information and talking about EG to keep ourselves from crying at the thought of non-SlayerS MMA. D-:
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
CCsyph
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:05:58
July 17 2012 14:04 GMT
#807
I wanted to edit my post not quote it. Oops.
"I hear you speak and suddenly I'm reminded of how the people I respected most in my life had a problem with authority."
McRoG
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia13 Posts
July 17 2012 14:05 GMT
#808
How did this turn into another EG hatefest...?

On topic: There seems to be some larger issue at hand here, he definitely wasn't benched because his play wasn't up to par. Hopefully this is only a brief issue which Slayers & MMA resolve soon, seeing him on another team would be as heart breaking to me as when MC left oGs :<
flexgd
Profile Joined September 2011
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:05:37
July 17 2012 14:05 GMT
#809
this is mouz' time to strike. they really need (want?!) a strong terran. go get him mouzCCMMA make it happen
EvilNW
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation23 Posts
July 17 2012 14:05 GMT
#810
plz... Prime.MMA - Dream Team :D
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:07:10
July 17 2012 14:06 GMT
#811
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:04 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:04 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:00 Catatonic wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 22:54 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 22:50 Zambrah wrote:
You understand that JYP's PvT is shaping up a lot since he joined EG, and PuMa has done very well under the EG banner?

You're hatin'.[/QUOTE]
I'm not hating. My initial post was, admittedly, a little strong but it doesn't change facts. All you need to do is look at the player's Liquipedia pages.

I'll even post them here.

[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa#Achievements[/url]
[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JYP#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JYP#Achievements[/url]
[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK#Achievements[/url]

Then look at the times they joined EG from their previous teams, there is a direct correlation supporting what I say.[/QUOTE]
You putting those up there actually dispproves your point seeing as how 2 out of 3 either stayed the same or increased :l[/QUOTE]
Well that's just not true.

PuMa joined EG 26/7/2011.

Before, and shortly after, that date he had numerous 1st place finishes. But as time has continued on they show a sharp decline. Same for HuK. Although JYP's achievement page is quite bare, I can talk from my own recollection. He used to be Code S calibre player, now he is struggling to get out of Code A, for what? 2 or 3 seasons now at least.
[/QUOTE]


Why are you arguing about something so useless? Jyp has struggled due to his PvT which has only improved recently. It's obvious you're an eg bandwagon hater.
Moderatorlickypiddy
CCsyph
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:10:40
July 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#812
Why are you arguing about something so useless? Jyp has struggled due to his PvT which has only improved recently.

That makes no sense and has no quantitative basis. What? So if I dislike EG and provide valid reasoning I'm a bandwagon hater which suddenly refutes everything I've put forward? Is this what the cool kids do now?
"I hear you speak and suddenly I'm reminded of how the people I respected most in my life had a problem with authority."
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
July 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#813
So I wake up, I see the thread title, I go to the latest page and the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whats going on?

Starcraft confuses me sometimes :S
memes are a dish best served dank
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:09:36
July 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#814
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:07 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:06 NovemberstOrm wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:04 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:04 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 23:00 Catatonic wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 22:54 CCsyph wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2012 22:50 Zambrah wrote:
You understand that JYP's PvT is shaping up a lot since he joined EG, and PuMa has done very well under the EG banner?

You're hatin'.[/QUOTE]
I'm not hating. My initial post was, admittedly, a little strong but it doesn't change facts. All you need to do is look at the player's Liquipedia pages.

I'll even post them here.

[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PuMa#Achievements[/url]
[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JYP#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JYP#Achievements[/url]
[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK#Achievements]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK#Achievements[/url]

Then look at the times they joined EG from their previous teams, there is a direct correlation supporting what I say.[/QUOTE]
You putting those up there actually dispproves your point seeing as how 2 out of 3 either stayed the same or increased :l[/QUOTE]
Well that's just not true.

PuMa joined EG 26/7/2011.

Before, and shortly after, that date he had numerous 1st place finishes. But as time has continued on they show a sharp decline. Same for HuK. Although JYP's achievement page is quite bare, I can talk from my own recollection. He used to be Code S calibre player, now he is struggling to get out of Code A, for what? 2 or 3 seasons now at least.
[/QUOTE]


Why are you arguing about something so useless? Jyp has struggled due to his PvT which has only improved recently.[/QUOTE]
That makes no sense and has no quantitative basis. [/QUOTE]


Do you even understand the words you're using? or you just trolling?

Alright I'm done, I don't like arguing with retards.

User was warned for this post
Moderatorlickypiddy
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
July 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#815
EG.MMA
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
July 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#816
You're smoking something if you think PuMa hasn't done very well under the EG banner, I don't know if you really look at that Liquipedia page, but the players hes beaten in his tournament wins, and the ones hes barely lost to have been Code S calibre, or legitimate Code S players.

And JYP's vT record in the GSL has improved since hes been under EG. His latest GSTL run where he defended a Rain cheese showed some of his PvT improvement as well.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#817
On July 17 2012 22:48 Shilliwippen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:19 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:06 Shilliwippen wrote:
This is stupid, as with Boxer not in the picture as much atm MMA is like the face of SlayerS.

If they don't have a valid reason and don't come out and say what made MMA get demoted, they just look like the bad guys
Better e-mail the sponsors! ^.-


Please, this site isn't Reddit. Thanks.


Ahh thought the smiley would imply my irony. Internet is a strange place!



Sorry i didn't get it back then. My bad, i feel pretty stupid not to have understood this ... :s
LiquipediaWanderer
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#818
Maybe Boxer punished MMA because he's starting to lose to JYP in TvP.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
July 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#819
I wonder what he did to Jessica.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 14:11:03
July 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#820
On July 17 2012 23:05 EvilNW wrote:
plz... Prime.MMA - Dream Team :D


Prime.MMA sounds stupid.... MMA.Prime sounds way better. I don't think he will join any non-Kespa Korean team tho.. This incident prob happened because he expressed his desire to join a foreign team. EZ money.
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