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On July 17 2012 22:49 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:45 HolyArrow wrote:On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams. On top of that, there's no evidence that Puma or JYP have weakened as players, and JYP has contributed immensely to SlayerS's GSTL run. I'm not a fan of EG, but claiming that players who join EG get "substantially weakened" is just bullshit. Friend, saying you're a fan of something or you like something does not validate your next statement.
I think you misunderstand me. I just mentioned that because often people try to attribute a valid point to someone's assumed fanboyism rather than just taking the point for what it is. Anyway, what you're saying is a very obvious truth >_>
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On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams.
Changing teams means changing the practice environment. A players success is also related to that. While EG invests into this with their house and the slayers partnership it is not working so far.
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On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams.
So PuMa winning 2 straight NASLs after joining them and JYP's improving immensely vs. Terran shows that everyone who joins drops in skill? Who's the one living in fantasy land cause it's clearly you. PuMa went on a tear last year winning so many foreign tournaments after joining up with EG plus JYP has won a few extremely clutch games in GSTL this season for SlayerS so please before you start spewing ignorant bullshit then claiming it as truth just don't cause that is always the better option.
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Correlation does not imply causation.
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On July 17 2012 22:53 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:53 Catatonic wrote:On July 17 2012 17:34 Broesl wrote:
How could he ever join EG as long as they have a partnership with Slayers, u gotta think before wishing those things guys .... It would make the most sense that SlayerS would be ok with him going there cause they could still use him in GSTL an he would still have use of great practice partners. Plus EG would add another great Terran an have a trifecta of good terrans. Not saying it will happen but there is logic to back it up. Not to mention that MMA and SlayerS have a lot of history, he'd probably miss his friends in the SlayerS house and would want to keep as in touch with them as possible. :-D
We don't even know what MMA did. He could have done something that might have messed up his relationship with his teammates. All I am saying is do not make any assumptions/judgments. Wait for an official press release or word from the SlayerS team.
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Edit: Sorry, I wanted to edit my post, not to quote it.
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On July 17 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:Correlation does not imply causation.
I have never said the sole factor why players decline in skill after joining EG is simply by joining.
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I don't know what you see, but I see more of PuMa's achievements with an EG. tag on his name.
And JYP has barely done anything anyways, but he got third at a Homestory Cup on EG. and hes been improving on EG.
HuK is a mess because he hasn't really buckled down and worked hard, but he did win his second MLG on EG, his failings are his own fault, not some mystical EG curse.
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On July 17 2012 22:58 Bedrock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:53 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 22:53 Catatonic wrote:On July 17 2012 17:34 Broesl wrote:
How could he ever join EG as long as they have a partnership with Slayers, u gotta think before wishing those things guys .... It would make the most sense that SlayerS would be ok with him going there cause they could still use him in GSTL an he would still have use of great practice partners. Plus EG would add another great Terran an have a trifecta of good terrans. Not saying it will happen but there is logic to back it up. Not to mention that MMA and SlayerS have a lot of history, he'd probably miss his friends in the SlayerS house and would want to keep as in touch with them as possible. :-D We don't even know what MMA did. He could have done something that might have messed up his relationship with his teammates. All I am saying is do not make any assumptions/judgments. Wait for an official press release or word from the SlayerS team.
Doesn't look like that if Ryung and Crank are confused as well
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On July 17 2012 22:57 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams. So PuMa winning 2 straight NASLs after joining them and JYP's improving immensely vs. Terran shows that everyone who joins drops in skill? Who's the one living in fantasy land cause it's clearly you. PuMa went on a tear last year winning so many foreign tournaments after joining up with EG plus JYP has won a few extremely clutch games in GSTL this season for SlayerS so please before you start spewing ignorant bullshit then claiming it as truth just don't cause that is always the better option.
I'd say it's more that none of them appear to have reached their potential. Puma/JYP were regarded as Code S material before they joined EG, but right now it looks very unlikely that either of them is a contender. Winning foreign tournaments is certainly nice for the wallet, but there are players in Code B who can do this if they have a lucky run, so it's not the best metric for skill.
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You putting those up there actually dispproves your point seeing as how 2 out of 3 either stayed the same or increased :l
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On July 17 2012 22:45 CCsyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:43 StarBrift wrote:On July 17 2012 22:39 CCsyph wrote:On July 17 2012 22:34 forsooth wrote:On July 17 2012 22:30 CCsyph wrote:If he joins EG, I'm out. I'm not willing to see another brilliant player join their ranks and descend to their level. + Show Spoiler +Fuck EG, only ThorZaIN, JYP and PuMa are worth anything on that team. What the hell could possibly inspire such fanatical hatred? I'm genuinely curious. It's not "fanatical hatred" - it's been said numerous times before that players who join EG are substantially weakened as players. Look at PuMa, HuK & JYP. HuK isn't even half of what he used to be. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where players decrease in skill once they switch teams. The rest of us however live in a world where HuK is not winning back to back championships not because he's become worse but because other players has become better. The korean training regime is starting to pull ahead at this point and once that ball gets rolling the skill level compunds manyfold within the teams. Your opinion. Although I have facts and figures on my side.
No, the fact that HuK. Hasn't become worse at the game is not a matter of opinion. I can look at his replays from 6 months ago and look at his current replays and he is playing the game at a higher level. The difference is that everyone else is doing that too. If you can't grasp such a simple concept then I don't know why you're even arguing about the subject. As for you having the numbers, you're talking bullshit. EG is the best performing team outside of korea in terms of overall tournament placement.
Just because you're some kind of dumbfuck who can only count gold medals doesn't mean that everyone else can't see something like a top 16 or top 8 finish as a success in a tournament with ridiculous competition.
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On July 17 2012 22:59 CCsyph wrote:I have never said the sole factor why players decline in skill after joining EG is simply by joining.
I must have misunderstood you then, because that sounded like exactly what you were trying to say.
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Liquid`MMA and Liquid`Supernova, Make it happen!
I can chip in 5 bucks, who else is with me?
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On July 17 2012 22:42 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:39 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 17 2012 22:13 AnYvia wrote:
I wonder how much times LiquidMMA has been suggested :D.
Anyways, good luck to MMA and it sure will be strange seeing him with a different team tag infront of his name... People always do that crap. As soon as any player comes up for grabs or changes team, there's the usual rush of ridiculous "OMG, he's going to win everything now" and "Calling it now, Liquid'blank/EG.blank/Fnatic_blank!!" posts. I hardly think Fnatic can be called a foreign team now. That ship has sailed. Can't deny that Liquid'MMA has a cool ring to it.
i think MMA PRIME with the street fighter voice has a better ring to it though...
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Stop talking about eg, they are not involved in this topic.
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Please join Prime, MMA. It would be so awesome.
MMAPrime
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On July 17 2012 22:58 Bedrock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:53 Zambrah wrote:On July 17 2012 22:53 Catatonic wrote:On July 17 2012 17:34 Broesl wrote:
How could he ever join EG as long as they have a partnership with Slayers, u gotta think before wishing those things guys .... It would make the most sense that SlayerS would be ok with him going there cause they could still use him in GSTL an he would still have use of great practice partners. Plus EG would add another great Terran an have a trifecta of good terrans. Not saying it will happen but there is logic to back it up. Not to mention that MMA and SlayerS have a lot of history, he'd probably miss his friends in the SlayerS house and would want to keep as in touch with them as possible. :-D We don't even know what MMA did. He could have done something that might have messed up his relationship with his teammates. All I am saying is do not make any assumptions/judgments. Wait for an official press release or word from the SlayerS team.
Doesn't mean I can't hope that if MMA DOES leave he at least goes to my favorite team. ;-)
He probably won't leave, shit its SlayerS and hes MMA, someone would have had to done something truly and sincerely heinous to seperate them.
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