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http://www.tooniland.com/ongame/leagueBBS.tl?q=C&bbsIndex=131472&sortDir=bbsIndex&leagueId=star2012&leagueIndex=&mIdx=12060&pageNo=1&key=제 목 + 내 용&keyWord=
As everyone knows, OSL is switching to SC2 for next season. They just announced their qualifier process for the next StarLeague.
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
(KeSPA players will have their own, separate qualifiers)
Signup Period is Friday, Jun 15 3:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) until Sunday, Jun 17 3:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
The offline stage of the qualifiers is July 2nd and 3rd 11am KST, at 신도림 테크노마트 3층 인텔 e스타디움 (the same place as GSL qualifiers afaik)
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID)
Maps is best 2 of 3
WCS Antiga Shipyard, WCS Entombed Valley, WCS Ohana
Registration link
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SlayerS fighting!! I want to see their entire team try to qualify!
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EDIT 1: They updated the form with an English Name field.
EDIT 2: Apparently foreigners don't need the English Name field. It must be for romanizing Korean names then.
EDIT 3: They've added Google translated labels to the fields now 
http://sc2.esportsnjoy.com/request
In case there are any foreign players who want to register the fields are in this order:
Name
English Name (Foreigners do not need to fill in apparently. Might as well just write your name again though)
Date of Birth (year-month-day)
Gender (first option is male, second is female)
Email
Phone (without hyphens)
Battle net ID
Race (first option is Terran, second option is Protoss, third option is Zerg)
Character name
Character code
Battle net tag
Ladder screenshot (attach a screenshot so they can confirm your ladder points)
Other information (write anything you want about yourself)
Password for editing (enter a password for when you need to edit your registration details)
Captcha image
Then click the button below.
If you need to edit your details go here: http://sc2.esportsnjoy.com/board/join_sc2
Find your name (third column) and click your post (second column). Enter your password and press the button next to it.
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How does foreigners participate in it? Or they are allowing them for the time being?
Edit: ops someone answered above me.
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Master on Korean server, I assume? (they should always include that in the rule though)
It's quite amazing that the OSL (okay, its SC2 clone) would now be open to the world so much. I mean, it's the OSL. How many foreigners have even imagined they could be in an OSL qualifier, like ever.
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On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
(KeSPA players will have their own, separate qualifiers)
That's pretty interesting. I guess they are doing giving them their own qualifiers to maximize viewers and also give the Kespa players a little more time to catch up. Wonder how they'll end up doing. This could end up bad if they take half the slots in the tournament and then just get stomped.
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Is there any news regarding conflicts between GSL and OSL scheduling?
Like let's say, a very real possibility, is that someone like MVP is in pool play for both tournaments. Something happens to fall on a day, do OSL and GSL talk, or does MVP just ask one of two if things can be moved?
Or will these events occur somewhat different times? Which would be odd considering GSL happens prime Korean time, so I imagine there will be scheduling conflicts in there somewhere.
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Wow, they're really letting GSL players enter sooner than I thought this could be interesting.
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This is just going to be dominated by Korean team players.
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So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions.
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No complexity?
edit: nm GTR's edit is correct, says meet 1. Unless it's a snafu.
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On June 15 2012 13:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No complexity?
No, but they can still send a picture of their rating like everyone else.
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On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions.
Yeah, first condition seems somewhat redundant.
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I hope they keep things simple with respect to scheduling... now that the GSL's shifted to just 5 tourney's a year... there' more breathing space for other major tournaments to borrow their players etc. To my knowledge, OSL happens 3 times a year or 2? plus the SPL's... hopefully, there won't be too much saturation and players will be able to perform on multiple stages...
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hmm i like this format hahah. but yea its a little easier to for the kespa teams, but it guarantees kespa vs gsl players which i like.
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BW and SC2 players will finally meet in a tournament? hot dog
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Excited to see who qualifies, I expect a completely different field than Code S since it all depends on one qualifier and who is better on that day.
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On June 15 2012 13:08 Dodgin wrote:
Excited to see who qualifies, I expect a completely different field than Code S since it all depends on one qualifier and who is better on that day.
Also because Code S has had a full year to prune itself of players who got lucky for a few games. Also I would be sort of shocked if qualifying KESPA players look decent against there GOM counterparts.
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On June 15 2012 13:02 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions. Yeah, first condition seems somewhat redundant. Maybe to protect the bnet identity of players who don't have known bnet IDs (if there are such players on these teams).
So they don't submit bnet ID, just team membership.
OR (more likely) just to reduce administrative work - these teams will each submit a list of players who will get accepted immediately without going through checking their bnet standing etc.
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United States97276 Posts
Marineking prime. Future king of osl. Never to be king of gsl T_T
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I am so excited this upcoming season of OSL...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3
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Wonder who will be the first champion of an OSL with sc2 :O
First champ of gsl sadly faded away ._.
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I can't wait see how many Code S players try out.
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oooooooooohhhhhh psyched!!
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On June 15 2012 12:54 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
(KeSPA players will have their own, separate qualifiers) That's pretty interesting. I guess they are doing giving them their own qualifiers to maximize viewers and also give the Kespa players a little more time to catch up. Wonder how they'll end up doing. This could end up bad if they take half the slots in the tournament and then just get stomped.
I was thinking that as well.
Imagine the original SC2 pros completely taking over the Kespa pros in a single season...
We all assume (with good reason) that the Kespa pros will catch up with enough time, but this first season might be rather one-sided. I think that'd be pretty interesting to see.
I hope to see full integration Nothing would make me happier than matches like DRG vs. Jaedong, Bisu vs. MC, and Mvp vs. Flash... and have them all eventually be evenly matched (even if I do have to wait 2-3 seasons for it)!
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the crossover is starting cant wait!!!!
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wait do you have to fulfill both conditions or just one of them?
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On June 15 2012 13:31 GenesisX wrote:
wait do you have to fulfill both conditions or just one of them?
Just one
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Definitely good for the KeSPA/GOM players to be interacting finally, but I feel like for a little while this is basically going to be GSL 2.
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Hoping to see some foreigners qualifying for this.
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weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions?
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On June 15 2012 13:34 johnnywup wrote:
weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions?
Because what happens if you aren't on one of the teams listed...
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On June 15 2012 13:36 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:34 johnnywup wrote:
weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions? Because what happens if you aren't on one of the teams listed...
obviously, but why not have just the masters+, since everyone on the teams will be masters+?
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Grr making an epic comeback and taking down SC2's 1st OSL  ?
Really though should be interesting how they integrate the kespa players and the other players, can't wait to watch!
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Woah, so surreal to see this in the SC2 General section nowadays. Requirement #2 about Masters league seems to be interesting. Didn't one of the GSL seasons have a points requirement for Masters league players to participate in their offline prelims? Nevertheless, it's gonna be cool to see foreigners attempt to participate, though I'm a bit worried since it's been forever since one has gotten through a GSL prelims and not through a seed.
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United States7639 Posts
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^
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Them map pool seems kind of weird, though. Entombed Valley/Ohana/Antiga Shipyard? Are those really the three most balanced maps available at the moment. They're good maps, but I never really thought of them as the best maps.
Does WCS Antiga force cross positions?
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On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^
And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament.
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On June 15 2012 13:40 imareaver3 wrote:
Them map pool seems kind of weird, though. Entombed Valley/Ohana/Antiga Shipyard? Are those really the three most balanced maps available at the moment. They're good maps, but I never really thought of them as the best maps.
Does WCS Antiga force cross positions?
Yeah. WCS forces tournament spawn positions, neutral supply depots at the ramp, and no gold minerals.
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Nothing would make me happier than if a player like Boxer, Nada or July comes back and wins yet another OSL.
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I hope we get 2 diffrent leagues. Kind of like in US Basketball. We'll have an eastern and western confrence with a regular season, and then we'll have Playoffs.
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On June 15 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:36 Spacekyod wrote:On June 15 2012 13:34 johnnywup wrote:
weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions? Because what happens if you aren't on one of the teams listed... obviously, but why not have just the masters+, since everyone on the teams will be masters+? As I said on the prev. page, most likely to reduce administrative work - those teams' submitted players will just be accepted without checking accounts etc.
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just to make sure, you need a Masters+ korean account right?
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On June 15 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:36 Spacekyod wrote:On June 15 2012 13:34 johnnywup wrote:
weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions? Because what happens if you aren't on one of the teams listed... obviously, but why not have just the masters+, since everyone on the teams will be masters+?
Because each player on the teams might not have their own ladder account (since they specify it needs to be YOURS).
On June 15 2012 13:45 Bagration wrote:
Nothing would make me happier than if a player like Boxer, Nada or July comes back and wins yet another OSL.
Omg boxer could finally get the mouse that was made for him. That would be........... I have no words.
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On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament.
Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 2nd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO the night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)?
This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible.
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I thought KeSPA/OGN were smarter. I guess they're gambling on the BW players suceeding, personally I'm not so confident. What they will end up with is a final with players who have no name recognition with casual viewers. Which is actually a horrible way to promote SC2.
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On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament.
Yeah what the fuck....
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opterown
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On June 15 2012 12:57 bittman wrote:
Is there any news regarding conflicts between GSL and OSL scheduling?
Like let's say, a very real possibility, is that someone like MVP is in pool play for both tournaments. Something happens to fall on a day, do OSL and GSL talk, or does MVP just ask one of two if things can be moved?
Or will these events occur somewhat different times? Which would be odd considering GSL happens prime Korean time, so I imagine there will be scheduling conflicts in there somewhere.
yeah wondering about this too, although i guess it's not thattt hard to move groups
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On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible.
maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification?
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On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible.
kespa qualifiers will be later, i assume. this is esf only
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On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible.
I imagine the KeSPA qualifiers happen later, and I'm not sure how many of their players would even want to participate in this upcoming season since they'll just be destroyed by the GSL players.
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Pretty sure the KeSPA qualifier will occur some time during the Semi-Final/Final break period or after.
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On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification?
Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September.
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On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament.
Well they get to skip the qualifiers so it gives them a decent amount of time to prepare.
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On June 15 2012 13:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Marineking prime. Future king of osl. Never to be king of gsl T_T
Only if Storkuu wins GSL!
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On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September.
Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
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On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Were there confirmed any BW OSL -> SC2 OSL seeds, by the way? Cuz they don't make too much sense, anyway.
On June 15 2012 13:48 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On June 15 2012 13:36 Spacekyod wrote:On June 15 2012 13:34 johnnywup wrote:
weird seeing as if you're in one of those teams you're definitely above masters, why have both conditions? Because what happens if you aren't on one of the teams listed... obviously, but why not have just the masters+, since everyone on the teams will be masters+? Because each player on the teams might not have their own ladder account (since they specify it needs to be YOURS) Oh, that makes the most sense. Some teams probably even register accounts for their players, which is done by a manager or staff, and the real ID of the account may not even be the guy that uses it.
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On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
That would be better for everyone really, them trying to compete in an sc2 OSL while having to play BW in PL as well would just be ridiculous.
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On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
wouldn't mind that tbh, have rounds 2 and 3 as SC2 only or something. r2 starts june 23 haha
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On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
yea they done it before lmao
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Wow, I'm really excited to see who signs up and who makes it out. How many people will qualify?
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I wonder if any foreigners will make it.
Watch Grrr... make a reappearance and wreck everyone!!!
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That's sick! but imho, I feel like the first season's gonna consist of BW pros getting smashed..
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On June 15 2012 14:12 BraneSC2 wrote:
I wonder if any foreigners will make it.
Watch Grrr... make a reappearance and wreck everyone!!!
Naniwa might possibly be the only one, I feel. Everyone else has so far gotten crushed at Code A qualifiers, and those don't even contain all the Code S and Code A players.
I wonder how the format will be like in terms of number of players though.
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Its going to be weird to see someone like MVP or Nestea winning an OSL lol, at this point of time don't think the current BW players are anyway near their level yet.
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long shot but it'll be great to witness boxer take it
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On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^
Haven't players been saying that they pretty much only practice SC2 now? Even the ones still in OSL are probably practicing SC2 80%+ of the time and only practicing BW the day before or the day of their match.
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On June 15 2012 14:20 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 14:12 BraneSC2 wrote:
I wonder if any foreigners will make it.
Watch Grrr... make a reappearance and wreck everyone!!! Naniwa might possibly be the only one, I feel. Everyone else has so far gotten crushed at Code A qualifiers, and those don't even contain all the Code S and Code A players. I wonder how the format will be like in terms of number of players though.
Thorzain did somewhat okay in Code S considering he was jetlagged and hasn't really even gotten settled in Korea. I could see him taking a shot at it and getting decently far into the qualifiers.
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On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions.
On topic I thought the same thing. I think it might just be honest discrimination, because it limits players like Puma JYP, Hero and the like from getting in. It might not be much but it is a limit.
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On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
Wait, what are they going to tell sk telecom (their sponsor) then? We just "Didn't feel like it anymore" lol? Has something like that happened before? I know about the gomtv classic, but a pl league?
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On June 15 2012 14:24 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions. On topic I thought the same thing. I think it might just be honest discrimination, because it limits players like Puma JYP, Hero and the like from getting in. It might not be much but it is a limit.
they're not part of the official "ESF" that's probably why. But those players are probably Masters KR anyway
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On June 15 2012 14:22 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ Haven't players been saying that they pretty much only practice SC2 now? Even the ones still in OSL are probably practicing SC2 80%+ of the time and only practicing BW the day before or the day of their match.
Not really , players who have BW matches this week will practise more BW unless there is a chance that they will be send for the ACE match , because if you aren't good in both SC2 and BW chances are that your team will stop sending you .
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On June 15 2012 14:27 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2. Wait, what are they going to tell sk telecom (their sponsor) then? We just "Didn't feel like it anymore" lol? Has something like that happened before? I know about the gomtv classic, but a pl league?
They'll probably only do it with sponsor approval, and judging by the recent trends, I don't think sponsors will really mind. They probably prefer SC2 over SC1 (from a marketing POV), but Korean fans will probably be disappointed that BW really ends. We'll see.
On June 15 2012 14:22 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ Haven't players been saying that they pretty much only practice SC2 now? Even the ones still in OSL are probably practicing SC2 80%+ of the time and only practicing BW the day before or the day of their match.
It's still not easy to play both games due to differing game mechanics and hotkeys.
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On June 15 2012 14:22 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ Haven't players been saying that they pretty much only practice SC2 now? Even the ones still in OSL are probably practicing SC2 80%+ of the time and only practicing BW the day before or the day of their match.
I am pretty sure the ones in the OSL are at least practicing BW 80%, ro8 games (i think) were much better compared to the games in the odt or ro16 or even BW games in PL. This is the last osl, i am sure everyone there wants to win it, so they are prob concentrating in bw more than sc2. Anyways, I dont think they messed up KesPa players much more than they already have, probably the next OSL is going to be way later, they might even be some seeds from this BW OSL, but yea they are going to have a disadvantage as they will still be playing bw/sc2 compared to gsl players only sc2. But who knows what might happen to Proleague.
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man people thought the code A qualifiers were brutal this is going to be insanely hard to qualify for.
Anyways a few questions about OSL. How many spots are there in this tournament? Also are their seeded players from the last OSL? Ive never followed one before and don't really know the format they use just that its "The" tournament to win in BW
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On June 15 2012 14:21 Dante08 wrote:
Its going to be weird to see someone like MVP or Nestea winning an OSL lol, at this point of time don't think the current BW players are anyway near their level yet.
They are improving fast . Most of the top Kespa players are gonna be middle to high korean GMs by the time of their qualifiers have ended and the mixed matches begun . At that level anyone can take a game from anyone . Mind games and preparation will be more important then overall skill level .
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Any words on the prize pool? Or just fame (appearing on television) and a trophy?
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On June 15 2012 14:42 NoGasfOu wrote:
Any words on the prize pool? Or just fame (appearing on television) and a trophy?
OSL has always been 40 million won for the winner, 20 million for the runner up. I doubt that'll change.
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Was hoping for atleast one more season with just the bw players to see how they do with only sc2 to practice for. Now they wont stand a chance in their own tournament.
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I really hope the Kespa players do well!
The pressure is on them to improve fast!
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On June 15 2012 14:42 NoGasfOu wrote:
Any words on the prize pool? Or just fame (appearing on television) and a trophy?
http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1505/flash This are Flash's earning from OSL MSL and WCG . You can see the OSLs rounds how much he has earned from them .
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I honestly think the KeSPa players will be practicing sc2 mostly, you think they want to lose to their former B teamers or practice partner level teammates. They don't want to be embarrassed when this happens. I think they will do better than what most of you are foreseeing at this point. Will they win it? Doubtful, but I don't think it will be a clean sweep by any means
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On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID)
So basically, foreigners can't participate  ...
Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name...
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On June 15 2012 14:33 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 14:27 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2. Wait, what are they going to tell sk telecom (their sponsor) then? We just "Didn't feel like it anymore" lol? Has something like that happened before? I know about the gomtv classic, but a pl league? They'll probably only do it with sponsor approval, and judging by the recent trends, I don't think sponsors will really mind. They probably prefer SC2 over SC1 (from a marketing POV), but Korean fans will probably be disappointed that BW really ends. We'll see. Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 14:22 Kiyo. wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ Haven't players been saying that they pretty much only practice SC2 now? Even the ones still in OSL are probably practicing SC2 80%+ of the time and only practicing BW the day before or the day of their match. It's still not easy to play both games due to differing game mechanics and hotkeys.
They use Brood War hotkeys for both games.
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Current attendance is down, I can see the same thing happening here after the novelty fades. HotS needs to be a miracle cure.
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On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name...
I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one.
I wonder if they enforce that rule.
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Don't expats have some kind of ID on their visa or pasport that they can use to replace SSN?
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On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule.
You can make a KR account with your ARC # if you have one.
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On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule.
They said the tournament was open for foreigners before so I imagine they didn't consider that about Battle net and they probably won't enforce it for foreigners.
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On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule.
Can someone confirm that this is for KR server only , because opener hasn't stated it ? It only states that you have to be masters or higher at the end of Season 7 it doesn't say that it has to be on the korean server .
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On June 15 2012 15:26 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule. Can someone confirm that this is for KR server only , because opener hasn't stated it ? It only states that you have to be masters or higher at the end of Season 7 it doesn't say that it has to be on the korean server .
Safe to assume it would be Korean server, as how else are you going to login at qualifiers/check the name on the account.
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On June 15 2012 15:28 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:26 raga4ka wrote:On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule. Can someone confirm that this is for KR server only , because opener hasn't stated it ? It only states that you have to be masters or higher at the end of Season 7 it doesn't say that it has to be on the korean server . Safe to assume it would be Korean server, as how else are you going to login at qualifiers/check the name on the account.
Yeah i just thought about that and it said that you have to log on to it with your own ID .
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Recognizable players who have registered so far:
Slog
Inca
BumbleBee
Ganzi
MC
Avenge
Crazymoving
TheSTC
Supernova
Zenio
Carn
Maka
Top
Treme
David Kim (Actually just someone with the same Korean name as him, or maybe it's really him)
Genius
http://sc2.esportsnjoy.com/board/join_sc2/lists/page/1
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On June 15 2012 15:28 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:26 raga4ka wrote:On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule. Can someone confirm that this is for KR server only , because opener hasn't stated it ? It only states that you have to be masters or higher at the end of Season 7 it doesn't say that it has to be on the korean server . Safe to assume it would be Korean server, as how else are you going to login at qualifiers/check the name on the account.
GOM requires that competitors need to have their own account for Code A qualifier, but they also said that it doesn't have to be a Korean account. My guess is that this is similar to GOM's.
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KeSPA players will have their own, separate qualifiers
Well I can definitely see why they are making kespa players to play with them selves only because you don't want gsl pro's to stomp our poor kespa players at sc2. Good luck anyway to the proleague team.
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non-Kespa section of the tournament would be pretty intense since we are talking about a very limited number of spots and a large player base + foreigners.
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On June 15 2012 14:01 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:53 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:50 Antoine wrote:On June 15 2012 13:49 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 13:42 Clefairy wrote:On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ And the two players who get seeds from this season of OSL get the least preparation time just because they were trying to win their tournament. Speaking of which, the qualifiers start on the morning of July 3rd, while the Ro4 matches don't take place until at least the week after that, so how will they know who is seeded into the next OSL and who needs to go through the qualifiers? There's a Ro8 match between Fantasy and SoO that very night of the 3rd. Does that mean Fantasy has to waste his time preparing for the qualifiers instead of trying to make Ro4 (even if he later earns a seed, should he win the whole thing anyway)? This has to be the most poorly organized way of doing this conceivably possible. maybe you missed where it says KeSPA players will have their own avenue of qualification? Ah. I suppose I did. Even then, pretty sure they're not going to postpone the start of the entire tournament until PL ends in late September. Knowing KeSPA, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on the Hybrid PL after the OSL final and just went fuck it, lets go full on SC2.
I would not be surprised in the least if they did this. I don't know about the tv ratings but the Hybrid format is clearly affecting the live attendance. It's hard for me to believe that a pure SC2 Proleague would have worse attendance than what we're getting now. And if they're not getting an attendance boost from BW then that kind of defeats the purpose of having a hybrid league in the first place.
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On June 15 2012 15:29 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 15:28 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 15:26 raga4ka wrote:On June 15 2012 15:19 Liquid`TLO wrote:On June 15 2012 15:10 bokchoi wrote:On June 15 2012 12:42 Antoine wrote:
To be eligible, you need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Member of FXO, LG-IM, MVP, NSH, Prime, SlayerS, StarTale, TSL, ZeNex
2. Masters league or higher at the end of Season 7.
You have to be 12 or older (and the bnet account has to be in your own name, with photo ID) So basically, foreigners can't participate ... Very few foreigners have a KR account to their name... I literally don't know any foreigner who have their own KR account, you need a Korean social security number to have one. I wonder if they enforce that rule. Can someone confirm that this is for KR server only , because opener hasn't stated it ? It only states that you have to be masters or higher at the end of Season 7 it doesn't say that it has to be on the korean server . Safe to assume it would be Korean server, as how else are you going to login at qualifiers/check the name on the account. Yeah i just thought about that and it said that you have to log on to it with your own ID .
Is it possible that a Taiwanese account would be covered by that? Because the servers are merged and you can have a taiwan account to your name.
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On June 15 2012 13:02 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions. Yeah, first condition seems somewhat redundant.
They can still qualify, I'm sure most of them are in Masters or GM, can't think of anyone who would be in Diamond on those teams.
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32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form.
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On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form.
they are having their own qualifier
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On June 15 2012 15:47 Clefairy wrote:Recognizable players who have registered so far: Slog Inca BumbleBee Ganzi MC Avenge Crazymoving TheSTC Supernova Zenio Carn Maka Top Treme David Kim (Actually just someone with the same Korean name as him, or maybe it's really him) Genius http://sc2.esportsnjoy.com/board/join_sc2/lists/page/1
Lol, David Kim is going to make sure certain units get surprise buffs right before the games
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On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier
Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though.
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On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form.
Read the thread. Kespa players have a seperate qualifier.
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Are the qualifiers broadcast by the way?
I hope OGN manage to sort out English casters before this OSL starts.
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I'm pretty sure OGN will be lenient in regards to foreign accounts and what not.
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This will be fun to follow to see who actually registers. Perhaps a big fall out of Code A/B players looking to capitalize on what may be considered easy money. Since scheduling is already an issue with GOM/OGN I don't think the schedule will be too friendly for the Code S stars to do both. GSL finals and OGN lol tournament on the same night -.-
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On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though.
It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see.
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Many Royal Road chances here! Gogo foreign hopes!
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so pumped for this, cannot wait. but sucks for the sc1 players to immediately being tested with the sc2 players,
especially since they are currently being forced to play both games. :-/
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Ok... so are the number of kespa/non kespa players going to be balanced at 16 each?
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On June 15 2012 16:14 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though. It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see.
I think that is in Kespa's interest. You don't want to risk having the GSL players wipe out the Kespa players early in the bracket.
It might even be a good idea for them to segregate all the way until the finals. You guarantee a huge amount of hype if you pit a Kespa player vs a GSL player in the finals. And it's much easier for one Kespa player to "level-up" and practice and prepare for the finals than to expect the entire Kespa league to "catch up" with the GSL players.
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On June 15 2012 16:25 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:14 NHY wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though. It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see. I think that is in Kespa's interest. You don't want to risk having the GSL players wipe out the Kespa players early in the bracket. It might even be a good idea for them to segregate all the way until the finals. You guarantee a huge amount of hype if you pit a Kespa player vs a GSL player in the finals. And it's much easier for one Kespa player to "level-up" and practice and prepare for the finals than to expect the entire Kespa league to "catch up" with the GSL players.
If i was kespa thats exactly what i would do.
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On June 15 2012 13:02 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:59 GTR wrote:
So no fnatic/Liquid players allowed to qualify? D:
EDIT: Oh, at least meet ONE of the conditions. Yeah, first condition seems somewhat redundant.
I think it's responsive to the possibility that if you're in a highly highly established team, the majority of your play might very well be private, hence the most highly established teams have shortcut passes to qualifiers.
They've made it a very open process, I could see the first OSL being extremely competitive.
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On June 15 2012 16:18 JustPassingBy wrote:
so pumped for this, cannot wait. but sucks for the sc1 players to immediately being tested with the sc2 players,
especially since they are currently being forced to play both games. :-/
Its not nearly as bad as it seems based on just what they admit there practice schedule to be. Other than 7 people still in this OSl there is no reason for any player to put any real thought into there BW matchups since they can win there games purely on SC2 (and it shows) .
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On June 15 2012 16:25 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:14 NHY wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though. It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see. I think that is in Kespa's interest. You don't want to risk having the GSL players wipe out the Kespa players early in the bracket. It might even be a good idea for them to segregate all the way until the finals. You guarantee a huge amount of hype if you pit a Kespa player vs a GSL player in the finals. And it's much easier for one Kespa player to "level-up" and practice and prepare for the finals than to expect the entire Kespa league to "catch up" with the GSL players.
Exactly no one is seriously considering a format like that. It's the exact same argument when Koreans began attending foreign events and it was suggested that they limit the number of koreans. Imagine the collective pitchfork of koreans and foreigners... oh my...
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1st condition is pretty stupid.... anyone on those teams is most definitely at least masters league already.....
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I wonder who wil be the main starcraft tournoment now.
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On June 15 2012 16:44 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:25 cablesc wrote:On June 15 2012 16:14 NHY wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though. It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see. I think that is in Kespa's interest. You don't want to risk having the GSL players wipe out the Kespa players early in the bracket. It might even be a good idea for them to segregate all the way until the finals. You guarantee a huge amount of hype if you pit a Kespa player vs a GSL player in the finals. And it's much easier for one Kespa player to "level-up" and practice and prepare for the finals than to expect the entire Kespa league to "catch up" with the GSL players. Exactly no one is seriously considering a format like that. It's the exact same argument when Koreans began attending foreign events and it was suggested that they limit the number of koreans. Imagine the collective pitchfork of koreans and foreigners... oh my...
Prove it.
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On June 15 2012 16:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Are the qualifiers broadcast by the way?
I hope OGN manage to sort out English casters before this OSL starts.
Yes it would seem odd to transition to SC2 only to exclude a lot of foreign fans. Many like myself would still watch and be 100% happy with it, but it would still be quite the odd move.
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On June 15 2012 17:08 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Are the qualifiers broadcast by the way?
I hope OGN manage to sort out English casters before this OSL starts. Yes it would seem odd to transition to SC2 only to exclude a lot of foreign fans. Many like myself would still watch and be 100% happy with it, but it would still be quite the odd move.
If they don't have English cast they'll lose a ton of customers. Lots would be happy still I'm sure but I'd likely only tune in rarely.
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On June 15 2012 17:05 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 16:44 NHY wrote:On June 15 2012 16:25 cablesc wrote:On June 15 2012 16:14 NHY wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 mrtomjones wrote:On June 15 2012 16:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 15 2012 16:05 mrtomjones wrote:
32 people qualify? Anyone want to do any over/under bets on how many Kespa players qualify? I'll go with 5 although it is obviously hard to say and I can only go based on their current form. they are having their own qualifier Isn't it an open style qualifier? Aka anyone who signs up competes against the others? Or are they giving a certain number of spots to Kespa. Pretty sure they are mixed though. It's the latter. There's also a rumor that even dual tournament would be segregated, but we'll see. I think that is in Kespa's interest. You don't want to risk having the GSL players wipe out the Kespa players early in the bracket. It might even be a good idea for them to segregate all the way until the finals. You guarantee a huge amount of hype if you pit a Kespa player vs a GSL player in the finals. And it's much easier for one Kespa player to "level-up" and practice and prepare for the finals than to expect the entire Kespa league to "catch up" with the GSL players. Exactly no one is seriously considering a format like that. It's the exact same argument when Koreans began attending foreign events and it was suggested that they limit the number of koreans. Imagine the collective pitchfork of koreans and foreigners... oh my... Prove it.
The burden of proof falls on the person who said there were "rumors" of such a thing.
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Noticed you can't sign up as random though
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The only foreigner I see is cArn, along with some guy I've never heard of. I hope more sign up.
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Mexico674 Posts
I hope more foreigners try to qualifiy for the OSL.
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On June 15 2012 16:57 CrtBalorda wrote:
I wonder who wil be the main starcraft tournoment now.
They'll co-exist with GSL like OSL did previously with MSL.
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I wonder if gsl protosses are going to drop out early in the qualifiers, just like bisu always does lol ahaha.
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United States7639 Posts
On June 15 2012 18:23 PlosionCornu wrote:
I wonder if gsl protosses are going to drop out early in the qualifiers, just like bisu always does lol ahaha.
Make 11 consecutive OSLs over 4 years. Nobody remembers.
Drop out of 2 prelims. Everyone assumes that's what you "always do."
^_^
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On June 15 2012 18:28 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 18:23 PlosionCornu wrote:
I wonder if gsl protosses are going to drop out early in the qualifiers, just like bisu always does lol ahaha. Make 11 consecutive OSLs over 4 years. Nobody remembers. Drop out of 2 prelims. Everyone assumes that's what you "always do." ^_^
I'm really sorry for bringing up a totally off topic point in this thread- This is a perfect analogy for how a lot of my Zerg playing friends are looking at Terrans right now. Picture perfect.
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I'd really like to see a 12-13 year old qualify. Was it baby that became a hit when he was just 13 -14? He was so fun to watch~
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 15 2012 18:28 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 18:23 PlosionCornu wrote:
I wonder if gsl protosses are going to drop out early in the qualifiers, just like bisu always does lol ahaha. Make 11 consecutive OSLs over 4 years. Nobody remembers. Drop out of 2 prelims. Everyone assumes that's what you "always do." ^_^
Kiett so mean
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Gender (first option is male, second is female)
That would be a problem for one NA player! HAHA!
User was warned for this post
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On June 15 2012 19:49 Brow23 wrote:That would be a problem for one NA player! HAHA!
HAHAHAHA...
That's not fun.
I want Stephano in the OSL !
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Because members of progaming teams who aren't Masters totally exist...
Well, Eve maybe? I don't know.
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I can't wait for this to kick off, having the GSL/GSTL and the OSL/PL; just mouthwatering stuff right there.
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On June 15 2012 19:43 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 18:28 Kiett wrote:On June 15 2012 18:23 PlosionCornu wrote:
I wonder if gsl protosses are going to drop out early in the qualifiers, just like bisu always does lol ahaha. Make 11 consecutive OSLs over 4 years. Nobody remembers. Drop out of 2 prelims. Everyone assumes that's what you "always do." ^_^ Kiett so mean
One does not simply criticize Bisu. <3
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Interested in the Kespa Players qualifiers :D
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Bisutopia19232 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^
Maybe....just maybe.... this OSL will be Bisu's!
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On June 15 2012 20:26 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 13:38 Kiett wrote:
Nice of OGN to fuck the KeSPA players over by starting the league way before the hybrid PL ends, and even before the current OSL ends, so they're still stuck practicing BW while the other SC2 players don't have to split practice between 2 games ^_^ Maybe....just maybe.... this OSL will be Bisu's!
No worries dude the curse doesn't continue in sc2 . I bet winning the osl in sc2 isn't the same as winning an osl in broodwar. Memories of xellos thanking his mom and bursting in to tears after winning the olympus 2003 osl and ggplay making a come back from iris daum osl 2007 . You can't take away the memories no matter how much people try to kill the existence of your favourite past time.
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Exciting but its a shame that they have to play against current GSL players now. Like it probably means MKP or DRG is going to win the next OSL. Hopefully the BW players are ready.
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On June 15 2012 12:52 figq wrote:
Master on Korean server, I assume? (they should always include that in the rule though)
It's quite amazing that the OSL (okay, its SC2 clone) would now be open to the world so much. I mean, it's the OSL. How many foreigners have even imagined they could be in an OSL qualifier, like ever.
It's not really the OSL though. They can try to dress it that way all they want. It's completely different game. -_-
The real kicker is the separate qualifier for KeSPA players as well. We knew something like that would happen because lets face it. Those guys aren't up to snuff yet. -_-
On June 15 2012 21:07 FlukyS wrote:
Exciting but its a shame that they have to play against current GSL players now. Like it probably means MKP or DRG is going to win the next OSL. Hopefully the BW players are ready.
They should have waited for HotS to help bridge the gap. If everything were to stand still in time it would take several more months for these players to even catch up.
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On June 15 2012 21:07 FlukyS wrote:
Exciting but its a shame that they have to play against current GSL players now. Like it probably means MKP or DRG is going to win the next OSL. Hopefully the BW players are ready.
MKP never even won a GSL, why are you so sure that he will take the OSL? He also was the big favourite to win last season, but dropped out in the Ro16. This is OSL, not MLG - it's really unlikely that two players will just completely dominate this tournament.
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When is July going to enlist? Wasn't there talk about how he would go soon or something? Anyway, this is your last call July, win this thaaaaang! ^___^
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On June 15 2012 12:52 figq wrote:
Master on Korean server, I assume? (they should always include that in the rule though)
It's quite amazing that the OSL (okay, its SC2 clone) would now be open to the world so much. I mean, it's the OSL. How many foreigners have even imagined they could be in an OSL qualifier, like ever.
There have been plenty of foreigners in an OSL qualifier it is not a new thing. In recent years maybe you haven't seen it often, but that has nothing to do with not opening up and has only been related to skill levels.
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I feel like they should of waited a season in OSL before inviting gom players. Its just going to be a steamroll because BW pros are not in proper form yet. This will probably just be a stomp by gsl gom players with the occasional upset by BW players.
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Awesome. We need to start a list of foreigners that have signed up. This should be awesome.
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On June 15 2012 23:12 TBone- wrote:
I feel like they should of waited a season in OSL before inviting gom players. Its just going to be a steamroll because BW pros are not in proper form yet. This will probably just be a stomp by gsl gom players with the occasional upset by BW players.
I disagree. I think that the GOM players will steamroll, but if the KeSpa players can play, let them face the power and learn from it. It gives them something to really work and strive for. I think it will be cool to see.
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On June 15 2012 21:07 FlukyS wrote:
Exciting but its a shame that they have to play against current GSL players now. Like it probably means MKP or DRG is going to win the next OSL. Hopefully the BW players are ready.
Unless this OSL is hosted online or in Not-Korea, MKP won't win.
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Effort will take this OSL you heard it here first .
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I'm really excited to see who the non kespa players are that qualify for this
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Does anyone know if TSL actually mean TSLǂMillenium ?
Just asking you know. No one particular in mind.
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cool! a new trophy for Mvp!
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Any news on English-speaking casters for this?
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On June 16 2012 00:22 Mackus wrote:
Any news on English-speaking casters for this?
Dont hold your breath on anything other then moletrap and torch.
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this is going to be insane
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This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN.
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On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN.
5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for!
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MVP won the first GSL Code S so I think it's proper he wins the first SC2 OSL
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Bisutopia19232 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for!
That comment's not necessary. AsianEcksDragon has a right to feel that way. Your reply is just going to incite arguments about nothing. I understand where AsianEcksDragon is coming from, the top KESPA players are already focusing on one major tournament that isn't SC2 based. They have quite a workload. It's not the Kespa player's fault they were put in this situation and deserve mad respect for what they are fighting through.
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On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN.
Care to elaborate on that?
They don't even have to face the real competition and instead get their own separate qualifiers, which guarantees some spots for them (about half the spots I guess?). I think it's fair to give them a little extra bonus while they are still transitioning, but keeping them all by themselves would be stupid, you need to face real opponents if you want to improve yourselves.
I think they found a nice compromise with this.
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On June 16 2012 01:49 Zeroxk wrote:MVP won the first GSL Code S so I think it's proper he wins the first SC2 OSL
The first one to win GSL was FruitDealer
Edit: Nvm, you DID say Code S.
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On June 16 2012 01:52 Kryt0s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:49 Zeroxk wrote:MVP won the first GSL Code S so I think it's proper he wins the first SC2 OSL The first one to win GSL was FruitDealer
That was the very first GSL (open season1). Zeroxk is talking about the first code S.
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On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for!
I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up until 5 am to watch it when they already have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort.
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On June 16 2012 01:55 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:52 Kryt0s wrote:On June 16 2012 01:49 Zeroxk wrote:MVP won the first GSL Code S so I think it's proper he wins the first SC2 OSL The first one to win GSL was FruitDealer That was the very first GSL (open season1). Zeroxk is talking about the first code S.
In the moment you posted, I updated my post xD
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Bisutopia19232 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:51 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. Care to elaborate on that? They don't even have to face the real competition and instead get their own separate qualifiers, which guarantees some spots for them (about half the spots I guess?). I think it's fair to give them a little extra bonus while they are still transitioning, but keeping them all by themselves would be stupid, you need to face real opponents if you want to improve yourselves. I think they found a nice compromise with this.
The thing is, this has been a premier tournament for KESPA players for over a decade. And now they have to compete in the next one under practiced against the top dogs of non Kespa SC2. Like in my post above, the top 8 players are practicing for SC:BW and SC2 right now and now there is a demand for them to compete and show good games at the qualifiers. Even if the qualifiers are seperate, they still have to practice 2 different games for the proleague while trying to fight through the OSL against player playing one game. While I"m excited for a new OSL, the timing is horrible. PL coaches are notorious for preventing players from practicing for individual leagues when team league is the primary focus in this era of PL. There is lots more to be said but that's a summary of it.
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On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up unti 5 am to watch it when they have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort.
...The likes of Effort?
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On June 16 2012 01:51 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! That comment's not necessary. AsianEcksDragon has a right to feel that way. Your reply is just going to incite arguments about nothing. I understand where AsianEcksDragon is coming from, the top KESPA players are already focusing on one major tournament that isn't SC2 based. They have quite a workload. It's not the Kespa player's fault they were put in this situation and deserve mad respect for what they are fighting through.
Well that's probably precisely why they have a separate qualifier, I think ogn is being considerate by not making them qualify with the current sc2 players...
E: didn't see your reply a couple posts above this.
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On June 16 2012 01:59 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up unti 5 am to watch it when they have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort. ...The likes of Effort?
Is this a troll? Effort is really good.
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So soon? Even as an SC2 fan (I've not watched much bw) the transition has been strange. Adding SC2 to proleague while the OSL is is still fully bw and then changing OSL to only SC2 a few months later while bw is still being played in PL (unless PL changes to all SC2 or OSL doesn't start until much later this year (sep/oct)). The bw pros are really not getting enough time to properly transition before they have to play against people who have been playing for 2+ years.
It will be interesting to see who makes it through the qualifiers considering there are lots of candidates who could reasonably have a chance depending on brackets but only 8/12/16 (does anyone know) places. This might be how they will stop stomping-by-GSL-players, along possibly with the format and seeds, if that even is a problem. Also, the qualifiers are only 2 days with Bo3 single elimination (?); we will probably see some lesser known SC2 players, which also might help give KeSPA players a better chance.
With that said I hope to watch OSL when the season starts properly. The OSL format is probably one of the best formats for a ~32(40) man tournament I've seen. Seeing bw players and current SC2 players play will be interesting. I wonder if they will use single games in the Ro16 though as in SC2 Bo1 matches are considered to be a very bad idea. How well did this work in bw and how much more stable was bw than SC2?
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Bisutopia19232 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:06 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:59 GolemMadness wrote:On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up unti 5 am to watch it when they have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort. ...The likes of Effort? Is this a troll? Effort is really good.
It's more about what he has accomplished in the OSL I believe. Of all zergs he picked Effort and not the Great JD or Savior. But for newer fans Effort is the name to be known since he defeated Flash 2 years ago. But honestly, so many other legends to choose from, kinda funny he chose Effort.
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On June 16 2012 02:33 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 02:06 SnowFantasy wrote:On June 16 2012 01:59 GolemMadness wrote:On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up unti 5 am to watch it when they have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort. ...The likes of Effort? Is this a troll? Effort is really good. It's more about what he has accomplished in the OSL I believe. Of all zergs he picked Effort and not the Great JD or Savior. But for newer fans Effort is the name to be known since he defeated Flash 2 years ago. But honestly, so many other legends to choose from, kinda funny he chose Effort.
You'd have to win more than 1 OSL to be worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as JD or Flash. Effort would probably smash Savior as hard as Bisu did. If you're gonna point out a name that's out of place, it should be Nal_ra. Stork and Effort are definitely far better than he and Savior.
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i know you guys are worried but by the time qualifiers are over and seeing how the bw pros improve so quickly at mlg. i think they will be ready for the next season of the osl. BW pro to take it !
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On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up until 5 am to watch it when they already have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort.
(Slightly Off-Topic/Rant)
+ Show Spoiler +Why? just because he was Zergbong in bw and wasn't the best, he's not allowed to make himself into one of the hands down best sc2 Zergs and wreck people? I understand what you mean, but obviously its a different game and there's no reason to arbitrarily say "oh god these scrubs are suddenly good/decent, everything must be shit and I hate it!" That's the attitude I feel like many BW exclusive people have, and while everyone is entitled to their opinions just hating because players that were formerly bad are now good is silly. Its not like Nestea winning an OSL now makes Nal_ra, Stork, or Effort any less good or their accomplishment less meaningful.
On Topic: I think its a bit sad that the OSL will just pass quickly in to sc2. I only managed to watch the last few, but I loved every second of them. I hope they can transfer all the things that made OSL awesome into SC2, and that it succeeds. Transferring to sc2 may seem bad to some, but letting such a prestigious league just fade away would be worse imo.
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Bisutopia19232 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:39 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 02:33 BisuDagger wrote:On June 16 2012 02:06 SnowFantasy wrote:On June 16 2012 01:59 GolemMadness wrote:On June 16 2012 01:56 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! I'll give it a year or two. There are already dozens of foreign tournaments and the GSL in Korea. OGN does not have a duopoly on SC2 like it had with BW. Even the GSL isn't particularly huge in Korea and oversea fans wouldn't need to stay up unti 5 am to watch it when they have IGN, MLG, and ESL. I'm just dreading the possibility of Zergbong winning an OSL playing SC2 and gets mentioned along with the likes of Nal_ra, Stork and Effort. ...The likes of Effort? Is this a troll? Effort is really good. It's more about what he has accomplished in the OSL I believe. Of all zergs he picked Effort and not the Great JD or Savior. But for newer fans Effort is the name to be known since he defeated Flash 2 years ago. But honestly, so many other legends to choose from, kinda funny he chose Effort. You'd have to win more than 1 OSL to be worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as JD or Flash. Effort would probably smash Savior as hard as Bisu did. If you're gonna point out a name that's out of place, it should be Nal_ra. Stork and Effort are definitely far better than he and Savior.
The heck? Savior was a far more dominant player then effort will ever be. And as for Stork even if his vZ is historically his weakest match up you can definitely compare him to savior.
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I had your back until this post. Now you're just frustrating.
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On June 16 2012 01:51 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:44 SimDawg wrote:On June 16 2012 01:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
This is so unfair to the original kespa players. I'm done with OGN. 5 million more people like yourself and this league is done for! That comment's not necessary. AsianEcksDragon has a right to feel that way. Your reply is just going to incite arguments about nothing. I understand where AsianEcksDragon is coming from, the top KESPA players are already focusing on one major tournament that isn't SC2 based. They have quite a workload. It's not the Kespa player's fault they were put in this situation and deserve mad respect for what they are fighting through.
My post was bad, I will agree. The original was just as poor. A complete vomiting of feelings in one line with no feelings, context or much value.
So while I probably should have restrained myself, I don't think I was out of line to mock the ridiculousness of opinions like that.
In fact, whoever that was has probably "lost all respect" at some point for Wheat, Incontrol, and some various members of of the community. People (like yourself) who think these useless one liners are worth defending certainly don't do much to bring up the tone of these forums.
I'll try and be more constructive in my criticism in the future, but if I slip once or twice again into mockery, please don't hold it against me.
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I'm not against OGN's switch to SC2. They are a TV network and BW is not gonna generate any revenue for them anymore so it's the natural thing to do. But in order to perserve BW's legacy, OGN should call their new league something else and give it a separate history. Maybe call it OS2L and not continue where the current OSL leaves off.
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The elephant is slain next season...
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On June 15 2012 12:52 figq wrote:
Master on Korean server, I assume? (they should always include that in the rule though)
It's quite amazing that the OSL (okay, its SC2 clone) would now be open to the world so much. I mean, it's the OSL. How many foreigners have even imagined they could be in an OSL qualifier, like ever.
Might be old but a foreigner won an OSL so how is qualifying only something to be imagined.
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On June 16 2012 02:56 jackphelps wrote:
The elephant is slain next season...
Elephant was about practice regime wasnt it?
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I had your back until this post. Now you're just frustrating.
You know I was talking about the current Effort right? We all know Savior was dominant in 2006 and 2007. When I compare players I give more weight to more recent games and the quality of opponents they played. Yes, Stork won mostly silver but he's playing in the same era as Flash, JD, Bisu, Fantasy and a few other monsters. I'm not taking anything away from Savior or Nal_ra but the bw scene as a whole just weren't as good back then. I think it's enough to say that a silver in 2010 and 2011 was worth more than a gold won in 2006.
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On June 16 2012 03:09 AsianEcksDragon wrote:You know I was talking about the current Effort right? We all know Savior was dominant in 2006 and 2007. When I compare players I give more weight to more recent games and the quality of opponents they played. Yes, Stork won mostly silver but he's playing in the same era as Flash, JD, Bisu, Fantasy and a few other monsters. I'm not taking anything away from Savior or Nal_ra but the bw scene as a whole just weren't as good back then. I think it's enough to say that a silver in 2010 and 2011 was worth more than a gold won in 2006.
right? each era had it rivalries. i wouldnt take iloveoov, nada, so lightly. these guy win percentage was ridiculous compared to bw pros now.
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Could we see an equivalent of a terran FruitDealer for the very first OS2L o ,O?
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신도림 테크노마트 3층 인텔 e스타디움 = Sindorim Techno Mart 3rd floor InTel e-Sports Stadium
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On June 16 2012 02:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I'm not against OGN's switch to SC2. They are a TV network and BW is not gonna generate any revenue for them anymore so it's the natural thing to do. But in order to perserve BW's legacy, OGN should call their new league something else and give it a separate history. Maybe call it OS2L and not continue where the current OSL leaves off.
I second this, but it will never happen. Kespa wants continuity, hence the whole mixed tournament thing and PL being called the same etc etc. They want the fans to look at it as just the next OSL or PL. Which of course doesn't happen, but that's all the more reason for them to keep advertising it that way.
The worst thing will be if some... guy wins it. We'd even be somewhat lucky if NesTea or mvp or MC won it, but the possibility of something like Fantasy -> JangBi -> Fantasy -> Squirtle sends shivers down my spine.
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On June 15 2012 23:21 raga4ka wrote:
Effort will take this OSL you heard it here first .
I would love that, would prefer jaedong but efforts a mother fucking boss as well :D.
I just pray JD can qualify at least, same with effort/zero of course ^_^.
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Nice! Another tournament means MKP will soon have a new shiny silver trophy! Cant wait MKP hwaiting!
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Is it too late to reg now?
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On June 18 2012 00:30 tYsopz wrote:
Is it too late to reg now?
It's the 18th there now so should be too late yes
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I reckon one of the existing SC2 pros will win unless the format is heavily weighted in KeSPA's favour.
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As far as I can understand, TLO is the only bigname foreigner who registered. Did the foreigner pros just miss out on a chance in OSL?
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kind of funny that kespa players have their own qualifiers, i doubt many (if any) would qualify through normal means.
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On June 16 2012 03:14 Diizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 03:09 AsianEcksDragon wrote:I had your back until this post. Now you're just frustrating. You know I was talking about the current Effort right? We all know Savior was dominant in 2006 and 2007. When I compare players I give more weight to more recent games and the quality of opponents they played. Yes, Stork won mostly silver but he's playing in the same era as Flash, JD, Bisu, Fantasy and a few other monsters. I'm not taking anything away from Savior or Nal_ra but the bw scene as a whole just weren't as good back then. I think it's enough to say that a silver in 2010 and 2011 was worth more than a gold won in 2006. right? each era had it rivalries. i wouldnt take iloveoov, nada, so lightly. these guy win percentage was ridiculous compared to bw pros now.
Like win% says anything.
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I wonder if they'd give BoxeR the golden mouse if he wins a SC2 OSL.
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On June 16 2012 16:35 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 02:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I'm not against OGN's switch to SC2. They are a TV network and BW is not gonna generate any revenue for them anymore so it's the natural thing to do. But in order to perserve BW's legacy, OGN should call their new league something else and give it a separate history. Maybe call it OS2L and not continue where the current OSL leaves off. I second this, but it will never happen. Kespa wants continuity, hence the whole mixed tournament thing and PL being called the same etc etc. They want the fans to look at it as just the next OSL or PL. Which of course doesn't happen, but that's all the more reason for them to keep advertising it that way. The worst thing will be if some... guy wins it. We'd even be somewhat lucky if NesTea or mvp or MC won it, but the possibility of something like Fantasy -> JangBi -> Fantasy -> Squirtle sends shivers down my spine.
I never really watched much BW but I definitely agree with the last part. Seeing some random player, even if hes pretty good, winning OSL just seems wrong.
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On June 18 2012 04:40 Seiferz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 16:35 Talin wrote:On June 16 2012 02:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I'm not against OGN's switch to SC2. They are a TV network and BW is not gonna generate any revenue for them anymore so it's the natural thing to do. But in order to perserve BW's legacy, OGN should call their new league something else and give it a separate history. Maybe call it OS2L and not continue where the current OSL leaves off. I second this, but it will never happen. Kespa wants continuity, hence the whole mixed tournament thing and PL being called the same etc etc. They want the fans to look at it as just the next OSL or PL. Which of course doesn't happen, but that's all the more reason for them to keep advertising it that way. The worst thing will be if some... guy wins it. We'd even be somewhat lucky if NesTea or mvp or MC won it, but the possibility of something like Fantasy -> JangBi -> Fantasy -> Squirtle sends shivers down my spine. I never really watched much BW but I definitely agree with the last part. Seeing some random player, even if hes pretty good, winning OSL just seems wrong.
Isn't this how all great players start off to begin with? Being random players? Bisu was basically an unknown when he destroyed savior. Flash's story is the same.
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Do we have a complete list of the signups?
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Hmmmm I wounder how this will go with GSL. Will the current SC2 teams ust go for the OSL Qualifier or maintain going for GSL hmmmmmmm
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Does anyone know what the OSL prizepool looks like?
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On June 18 2012 05:03 Catatonic wrote:
Hmmmm I wounder how this will go with GSL. Will the current SC2 teams ust go for the OSL Qualifier or maintain going for GSL hmmmmmmm
Gonna be competing in both most likely
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On June 18 2012 05:03 Catatonic wrote:
Hmmmm I wounder how this will go with GSL. Will the current SC2 teams ust go for the OSL Qualifier or maintain going for GSL hmmmmmmm
It depends on how they view it. Historically anything with osl in the name offers prestige in the starcraft world your brain can't even begin to imagine. Gsl may have the higher skill/tournament money perhaps? But if they value the osl in sc2 like they did in sc1, then they will go for osl over gsl
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On June 15 2012 13:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Marineking prime. Future king of osl. Never to be king of gsl T_T
Future runner-up of OSL. Calling it now.
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lol, wouldn't be it be funny if a current B teamer like Lizzy wins the first OSL??
also, a bit of cop-out that the kespa players will have a separate qualifier... wish that doesn't become the norm and it only happens for this tournament.
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any way we can get a list of notable sign ups?
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EDIT: OOPS i just saw you have to be part of those teams.... please ignore said statement.
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On June 18 2012 07:37 Aeceus wrote:
any way we can get a list of notable sign ups?
I second that.
Any list?
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man so many qualifiers lately o.O
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Excuse my fanboyism but I can see this being Jinro's re-breakout tournament.
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On June 25 2012 09:10 xsnac wrote:
no more pro license ?
for kespa teams. osl is open to every korean, at least from the rules they excluded foreigners, well see if they go through with it. so yea pro license is still gonna be salary+support from kespa teams + proleague most likely is gonna remain kespa teams only
i hope all gsl players who get in destroy their ex teammates from kespa teams lol
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On June 25 2012 09:15 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:for kespa teams. osl is open to every korean, at least from the rules they excluded foreigners, well see if they go through with it. so yea pro license is still gonna be salary+support from kespa teams + proleague most likely is gonna remain kespa teams only i hope all gsl players who get in destroy their ex teammates from kespa teams lol
where did you read foreigners excluded lol? the third post is a foreigner registration guide.
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Brackets should be out today, but I have no idea where to get them.
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Keep an eye out guys. Any news is something.
Are the qualifiers for OSL normally broadcast to any extent?
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MC posted on his twitter about something related to the brackets(maybe he cannot find them either)...
I guess he's anticipating this a lot lol.
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On June 25 2012 14:55 MCXD wrote:
Keep an eye out guys. Any news is something.
Are the qualifiers for OSL normally broadcast to any extent?
Yeah they usually broadcast some of the games.
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On June 25 2012 09:09 Clbull wrote:
Excuse my fanboyism but I can see this being Jinro's re-breakout tournament.
It'd be a hell of a comeback story. But realistically I'd give it less than 0.1% chance of happening. With all the top Korean pros working for the honor of winning the first Sc2 OSL, it's going to be one hell of a stacked bracket. :\
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On June 18 2012 05:06 nmetasch wrote:
Does anyone know what the OSL prizepool looks like?
1st: 40,000,000 KRW
2nd: 20,000,000 KRW
3rd/4th: 7,000,000 KRW
5th to 8th: 3,000,000 KRW
9th to 16th: 2,000,000 KRW
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I went to THIS site, just out of curiosity and used 'google translate' and this is what i get:
ELIGIBILITY: 10,012 years of age or older .....lol
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Does anyone know if they have decided to get english casters yet?
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cArn just twitted about his group so they should be available somewhere
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On June 27 2012 04:05 Hiea wrote:
Does anyone know if they have decided to get english casters yet?
OSL has Moletrap and Torch as english casters.
But they are doing the english casts for LoL currently.Not sure about SC2 though.
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On June 27 2012 04:01 Art.FeeL wrote:I went to THIS site, just out of curiosity and used 'google translate' and this is what i get: ELIGIBILITY: 10,012 years of age or older .....lol
Rigged, only Flash, being a God, is eligible by this standard.
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On June 25 2012 15:24 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 05:06 nmetasch wrote:
Does anyone know what the OSL prizepool looks like? 1st: 40,000,000 KRW 2nd: 20,000,000 KRW 3rd/4th: 7,000,000 KRW 5th to 8th: 3,000,000 KRW 9th to 16th: 2,000,000 KRW
10M won less than GSL champion, still a huge load of money and bigger than 99% of the tournaments
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um....
i'm a little worried for the Kespa players here... they might have wanted to keep the GSL guys out of there for another season...
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On June 27 2012 04:01 Art.FeeL wrote:I went to THIS site, just out of curiosity and used 'google translate' and this is what i get: ELIGIBILITY: 10,012 years of age or older .....lol
And this is why you should never use google translate with completely different languages
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maybe OGN could help KeSPA players a lil bit by issuing a whole new map pool. You know, some sc2 map made by Rose.of.Dream would by nice :p
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On June 27 2012 04:25 Arceus wrote:
maybe OGN could help KeSPA players a lil bit by issuing a whole new map pool. You know, some sc2 map made by Rose.of.Dream would by nice :p
I heard kespa has opened positions for sc2 map makers already...
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On June 27 2012 04:26 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 04:25 Arceus wrote:
maybe OGN could help KeSPA players a lil bit by issuing a whole new map pool. You know, some sc2 map made by Rose.of.Dream would by nice :p I heard kespa has opened positions for sc2 map makers already...
That's awesome! I hope though it's not because the old mapmakers won't continue, it would be great to see what they can come up with, possibly the best maps again.
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On June 27 2012 04:25 Arceus wrote:
maybe OGN could help KeSPA players a lil bit by issuing a whole new map pool. You know, some sc2 map made by Rose.of.Dream would by nice :p
I really can't wait to see the Kespa Sc2 maps, the mapmakers are really good.
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On June 15 2012 13:05 MrMotionPicture wrote:
BW and SC2 players will finally meet in a tournament? hot dog
I love the whole race against time thing that's going on with the BW players and this tournament. They're improving fast, but is it fast enough? I don't think I've been as excited for a tournament like this since TSL3
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On June 15 2012 12:52 figq wrote:
Master on Korean server, I assume? (they should always include that in the rule though)
It's quite amazing that the OSL (okay, its SC2 clone) would now be open to the world so much. I mean, it's the OSL. How many foreigners have even imagined they could be in an OSL qualifier, like ever.
You could always ask Grrr that question.
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Anyone know the date for round of 16 and link to stream?
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