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DreamHack EIZO Open: Summer Groups - Page 9

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oadas
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 23:09:05
June 14 2012 23:08 GMT
#161
I'd like for DH to go a step further and invite more top Koreans in their future tournaments. I feel DH is the most prestigious European tournament out there so it makes sense for them to go to the next level. The majority of people want to see the highest levels of play no matter what the nationality of the players have.
Bjoernzor
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden159 Posts
June 14 2012 23:11 GMT
#162
On June 15 2012 08:08 oadas wrote:
I'd like for DH to go a step further and invite more top Koreans in their future tournaments. I feel DH is the most prestigious European tournament out there so it makes sense for them to go to the next level. The majority of people want to see the highest levels of play no matter what the nationality of the players have.

It's an open tournament, anyone can join. The big DH tournament is the Winter one, where they will invite the top players from Summer, Valencia and Stockholm Open
"There is nothing cooler than being passionate about the things you love" - Day9
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
June 15 2012 01:39 GMT
#163
so only 6 koreans right? no seeded koreans right?, im just checkin dont get mad.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 15 2012 01:50 GMT
#164
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 15 2012 01:57 GMT
#165
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 15 2012 02:08 GMT
#166
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.


You really should the European skill lvl has risen alot and its allways exciting to see fresh and new talent come out. Who knowns maybe a new Stephano will arive. Also Dreamhack allways delivers a great show especially on the production level.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
June 15 2012 02:08 GMT
#167
look at all those eurozergs :O
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 15 2012 02:10 GMT
#168
On June 15 2012 11:08 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.


You really should the European skill lvl has risen alot and its allways exciting to see fresh and new talent come out. Who knowns maybe a new Stephano will arive. Also Dreamhack allways delivers a great show especially on the production level.

The production is always top notch, which makes the lack of world class players all the more disappointing.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 15 2012 02:11 GMT
#169
On June 15 2012 11:10 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 11:08 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.


You really should the European skill lvl has risen alot and its allways exciting to see fresh and new talent come out. Who knowns maybe a new Stephano will arive. Also Dreamhack allways delivers a great show especially on the production level.

The production is always top notch, which makes the lack of world class players all the more disappointing.



while its true that the player field could be a bit better, european tournaments dont need 15 koreans to have top notch players around like MLG.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 15 2012 02:21 GMT
#170
No Kas?
naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 04:06:49
June 15 2012 04:06 GMT
#171
Group 4, surely that isnt the Kespa player mini, is it?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
June 15 2012 04:09 GMT
#172
at first when they announced players i felt like it wasn't that stacked but at the end it is really stacked.
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neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
June 15 2012 04:19 GMT
#173
Is that Dragon I see on Group 9

:D
Keep moving forward
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
June 15 2012 05:44 GMT
#174
LOL That's a lot of groups.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
June 15 2012 06:00 GMT
#175
First thing I thought: Wow, Taeja will be raping his group.

It's so obvious it just pops out at you.
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Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
June 15 2012 06:13 GMT
#176
On June 15 2012 11:11 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 11:10 Duravi wrote:
On June 15 2012 11:08 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.


You really should the European skill lvl has risen alot and its allways exciting to see fresh and new talent come out. Who knowns maybe a new Stephano will arive. Also Dreamhack allways delivers a great show especially on the production level.

The production is always top notch, which makes the lack of world class players all the more disappointing.



while its true that the player field could be a bit better, european tournaments dont need 15 koreans to have top notch players around like MLG.

That's true but where are Grubby, Feast, Socke, Lucifron, Kas? I'm sure I'm forgetting some others. There are a decent number of top Europeans missing. Combine that with the fact that the tourney is light on Koreans, and completely void of top-end Koreans, it makes for a pretty lackluster field, especially relative to the prestige that is associated with the Dreamhack name.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 15 2012 07:08 GMT
#177
Just goes to show that the names don't make the tournaments. The competition is stiff, there's several code-S player as well as the best foreigners and that includes world class players. Not everyone can participate in every tournament. The last dreamhack had, for my money, the most memorable moment so far this year in SC2 regardless of it having an arguably weaker lineup



StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 08:45:10
June 15 2012 08:35 GMT
#178
On June 15 2012 15:13 Blennd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 11:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On June 15 2012 11:10 Duravi wrote:
On June 15 2012 11:08 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.


You really should the European skill lvl has risen alot and its allways exciting to see fresh and new talent come out. Who knowns maybe a new Stephano will arive. Also Dreamhack allways delivers a great show especially on the production level.

The production is always top notch, which makes the lack of world class players all the more disappointing.



while its true that the player field could be a bit better, european tournaments dont need 15 koreans to have top notch players around like MLG.

That's true but where are Grubby, Feast, Socke, Lucifron, Kas? I'm sure I'm forgetting some others. There are a decent number of top Europeans missing. Combine that with the fact that the tourney is light on Koreans, and completely void of top-end Koreans, it makes for a pretty lackluster field, especially relative to the prestige that is associated with the Dreamhack name.

Lucifron has exams afaik, Socke is tired and not in good enough shape after two big events in one week and traveling so much, Feast is also busy with school if I remember correctly, Grubby qualified for StarsWar in China and is playing there this weekend. Kas, I don't know.

I'll still enjoy DreamHack, because there are a lot of players I'm excited about, and many of those are attending. It's not a second GSL, but that's not what Dreamhack aspires to be. They stay true to themselves, make a good show out of it and I like it that way.

Also, it's always interesting for me to see how the European players stack up against the Koreans, what their current skill level is like and how they rank among themselves.

Might or might not be the same way for you Americans in your "domestic" events, I don't know.
Tendoi
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania62 Posts
June 15 2012 09:18 GMT
#179
I'm hoping either WhiteRa or NightEnD takes this.
I sleep more than koreans practice.
ScvOfAiur
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden15 Posts
June 15 2012 09:27 GMT
#180
nigtend sucks
feeling like a dase
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