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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 15 2012 09:33 GMT
#181
The only thing that annoys me about Dreamhack still (last year I didn't like that they weren't open tournaments) is the prize distribution. We've had one progamer come out and say that only top 4 getting money was the reason he didn't attend (Socke), how many others would this be true for? It seems such a weird thing to do.

Other than that. SOOO EXCITED.
For everyone who says there not that thrilled by the player pool, at least tune in for the Ro4 or the finals, the production, crowd and at that point the games will be amazing, I guarantee it.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Pimmeh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands120 Posts
June 15 2012 09:44 GMT
#182
Is there a Korean in this topic that can translate the following for me to Korean?
"Warp Prism Harass!"
I really want HerO to sign that on my keyboard but I couldn't make it clear for him the last time.
IMMoonLight
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)332 Posts
June 15 2012 09:48 GMT
#183
No moon !!What a sad news!!!!!!!!!!!
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 15 2012 09:49 GMT
#184
On June 15 2012 18:48 IMMoonLight wrote:
No moon !!What a sad news!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry, he's too busy crushing nerds in the GSTL right now :p
Motoorhead
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland67 Posts
June 15 2012 12:21 GMT
#185
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.



I disagree with you.

I actually like that Dreamhack doesnt pretend to be another MLG with all the korean superstars. If i want to see the very best koreans i would rather watch GSL.

If you never stop - failure is not an option.
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
June 15 2012 12:38 GMT
#186
On June 15 2012 21:21 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.



I disagree with you.

I actually like that Dreamhack doesnt pretend to be another MLG with all the korean superstars. If i want to see the very best koreans i would rather watch GSL.



Totally agree - we have lots of big tournaments with full Korean lineups (GSL, MLG Arenas/Championships, IPL). Dreamhack doesn't exclude Koreans, just has a broader mix. The proof is how Dreamhack is received after the event has ended - the last event had a really incredible finish with Thorzain beating Polt in front of a great and loud crowd, and Winter had the hockey stadium that went to the last game.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 15 2012 12:46 GMT
#187
Well, at dreamhack will be 2 quarter-finalists and a semi-finalist from last seasons GSL and 4-6 from the MLG championship, so lets not pretend like MLG is somehow miles better.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 15 2012 12:51 GMT
#188
This whole "Dreamhack is bad because they don't invite the top players only!!" argument is getting old.

Do you want the hardcore tournament? go watch GSL, they have to seed people like Stephano into Code S because Code A is too damn hard to go through. Want medium/semi hard tournamens? check out MLG/Blizzcon. Want an open ended tournament that allows anyone to sign up and get a chance to compete against the pros? Then watch Dreamhack.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Satyric
Profile Joined June 2011
68 Posts
June 15 2012 13:24 GMT
#189
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


While they have a lot of focus on SC2, remember that DH is about the LAN event and LOTS of other tournaments. I agree that it's sad that they don't pay for the top players to show up, but DH is so much more than just SC2. To give you some perspective, these are the other tournaments they host:

http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs12/esport/

Slightly more than 200k USD in prize money for all tournaments + an additional 40k USD for the swedish nationals. SC2 accounts for 12,5% of the total prize pool for the event. I think they compensate the players in some form for the invitationals, but don't quote me on that
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45680 Posts
June 15 2012 13:32 GMT
#190
So many groups o.o So many new faces too, so let's see how many upsets take place...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Kariddi
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy3 Posts
June 15 2012 13:43 GMT
#191
White-Ra FIGHTINKKKKK!!!!!!!!
No one lives forever!
IMMoonLight
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)332 Posts
June 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#192
From Fnatic:We have some bad news on top of the good ones. Our Protoss star, Silviu "NightEnD" Lazar will be unable to attend the upcoming Dreamhack Summer tournament.

Moon is also not able to attend the Dreamhack..
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
June 15 2012 15:00 GMT
#193
BabyToss is going to win this.
one day.. i'll lose my mind
Lucidx
Profile Joined December 2010
United States122 Posts
June 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#194
Calling it now that Whelmu takes his group over JYP
" I would rather get AIDS then get hit by a bus then have my expansion blocked by a pylon" - Day[9]
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 15 2012 18:04 GMT
#195
group 29 is kind of stacked
znow1
Profile Joined January 2012
54 Posts
June 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#196
On June 16 2012 03:04 mememolly wrote:
group 29 is kind of stacked


na, its a swedish player called Tails, not the korean!
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
June 15 2012 19:17 GMT
#197
On June 15 2012 21:21 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.



I disagree with you.

I actually like that Dreamhack doesnt pretend to be another MLG with all the korean superstars. If i want to see the very best koreans i would rather watch GSL.



So what you're trying to say is that you like Dreamhack being a "pro foreign" tournament where there is really only a handful of "pro" players even attending? Dreamhack to me is just a proving ground for amateurs. I really don't want diamond/master level players duking it out with players that are incredibly better then they are.

Enjoy your amateurs getting destroyed in group stages. I'd rather just watch the couple top level players that are going to make the semi finals. I find no entertainment in bad play.
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TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#198
On June 16 2012 04:17 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 21:21 Motoorhead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 15 2012 10:50 Duravi wrote:
This line up is laughable compared to MLG. I understand Dreamhack wants to be "fair" to everyone and not pay for some people to come and not for others, but it is a very stupid philosophy from an entertainment perspective.


I agree. I don't get excited for dreamhacks due to the lack of top koreans. The last dreamhack had one of the worst lineup I've seen in a long time, not only due to lack of koreans, but barely any top foreign pros attended too. I read socke doesn't attend cause only top 4 get money, so he doesn't feel it's worth it.

I remember watching some dreamhacks last year as those seemed to get some good koreans, I think. However, the player quality has dropped a lot this year. I may watch the finals depending on who is in it, but as a tournament, dreamhack isn't very interesting to me.



I disagree with you.

I actually like that Dreamhack doesnt pretend to be another MLG with all the korean superstars. If i want to see the very best koreans i would rather watch GSL.



So what you're trying to say is that you like Dreamhack being a "pro foreign" tournament where there is really only a handful of "pro" players even attending? Dreamhack to me is just a proving ground for amateurs. I really don't want diamond/master level players duking it out with players that are incredibly better then they are.

Enjoy your amateurs getting destroyed in group stages. I'd rather just watch the couple top level players that are going to make the semi finals. I find no entertainment in bad play.


A handful? You must have some freakish large hands then cause there are a lot of pro's attending. You sound like only amateurs are attending or something, after the first group stage we will see a lot of good players play against each other. Yes the first day wont be full with great matches, so?

Watch the recap from day1 and tune in for the next days/stages. Why whine about matches you dont have to watch? Or even better, dont watch at all.
eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 20:49:30
June 15 2012 20:46 GMT
#199
DH obviously does not aim to be another korean stacked tournament which is good. a tournament has to position itself on the market like product nowadays. why be number 4 after GSL/MLG/IPL in terms of korean superstars and prize pool? sure the level of gameplay at group stage is not comparable to a GSL ro32, I like to watch DH nonetheless, its a bit different, so thats good!

differentiation and variety in the tournament scene is definitely better than to focus to be the same like the others. in the long term, the whole scene will grow better due to distinguished production approaches.
edidas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden78 Posts
June 15 2012 21:02 GMT
#200
It's a 300 km drive for me but i'm going. I hope it willl be as fun as i'm expecting.
Easy Tychus, this ain't science fiction.
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